The "Falling Out" of Fall Out Boy

[@artvjon]

Thanks to Hannah for coming up with the title of the video, check out her channel here: kzbin.info/door/svR_Oun6NZvgXB7KZv9E9A

[@aidanmcguire7538]

ARTV can u do another video on Panic! as it has been a few years since your last video and I'd love to know if your opinions have changed or stayed the same.

[@biggerlion4960]

ARTV i honestly just want an album where you can't understand what Patrick is saying.

[@biggerlion4960]

That would probably make the album 10 times better.

[@cryptid8760]

This is why I'm not upset about MCR breaking up, this is what they could have become

[@rubysoto656]

Um, about that...

[@eddieperez8111]

Tom Ato they didn’t necessarily announce new music. Just a return to touring for who knows how long

[@HAM6BONE9]

They literally did become this. But worse. However, they went back to their hard style rock and guitar shredding for their final album in 2013 and have recently done decent shows

[@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO]

You definitely spoke too soon

[@jimbob2427]

@@HAM6BONE9definitely not worse

[@benjipc5637]

I feel like Pete Wentz is holding back the band's potential heavily, him being the "face" of the band resulted in him hanging out with celebrities and big name artists, which made him become who he is today. It's a real shame because if you listen to the other members' works they sound more diverse than FOB's post-hiatus output. Patrick Stump co-wrote and produced Dead End In Tokyo by Man With A Mission and that song was a hit and IMO one of the best songs in their discography. Andy Hurley also has a few hardcore side projects that he plays in when he's not busy with FOB, plus he and Joe are in The Damned Things which was a great side project with Anthrax and Every Time I Die members. I think Pete should take a backseat in the songwriting department and let the other members write more so that they won't pump out another soulless electropop drivel like their post-hiatus releases (sans Pax Am Days, which was a nice change of pace).

[@erikzavala2377]

I don’t think your clown self understands he only does the lyrics and the rest of the band creates all the music. Don’t open your mouth if you have no idea what you’re talking about. And they’re still killing it btw. You donut 😂

[@owouwu7383]

I have a burning feeling that they're gonna break up soon. I hate thinking that, they are one of my favorites. Petes losing his touch as a writer, 3 of them are dads, I'm kinda worried.

[@zeenkissinger]

Marble Marble As sad as it is to think about, it could happen. I’m a huge fan myself, but all of them have stuff going on.

[@dancedanceawayfrommeidontl2890]

Marble Marble honestly me too, after listening to MANIA a couple times you can kind of tell. Me being the weirdo I am I looked at the last track (bishops knife trick) and the last lyrics of the song are something along the lines of *"these are the last blues (the last)"* and I thought. There is a high chance this will be there last album....that might have nothing to do with anything, but that's what I thought.

[@owouwu7383]

Dying Rocket They truly need to calm down, stop forcing stuff out and take a break. They can still be a band, they don't have to always go on tour for every album and such, I'm just fine with them creating music. They're spreading apart. When you do something for an amount of time, for some the passion leaves

[@owouwu7383]

DANCE! DANCE! away from me I don't like people Take PATD for a chance, each album is different but its still panic, I can tell that this is Brendon Urie, but if I listened to some mania songs, I would never guess FOB. I'm scared, they're my favorite band of all time, and losing them make me feel like im losing something special

[@dancedanceawayfrommeidontl2890]

Marble Marble just remember the old stuff that made them, well them. Will always be there. (OMG ALL THESE EMOTIONS NEED TO STOP IT'S HURTING AH)

[@AssassinKillua15]

They're more worried about their "brand" than they are music at this point. They're always working on what they're selling more than they are their music. They'll be breaking up at some point.

[@erikzavala2377]

You’re eating your words five years later. Their newest album is one of their most sincere projects. Cornball 😂😂😂

[@dominiquegomez3071]

Yes, yes, a thousand times YES to more video essays

[@2edge2fury99]

Fall Out Boy is a battery with a five year life. Every five years you take a break to recharge it. It starts great in the beginning, probably because everyone has missed it, but starts to slow down to the same malfunctions as time goes on.

[@lindsayday4181]

Has always confused me as to why adults from 30-40 years of age try to write songs that speak to teens when it isn't possible! It comes off as cringe-worthy because we know these guys aren't partying and going through melodramatic breakups or whatever. Artists like fall out boy need to embrace themselves and their standing in life

[@anyazxr]

i know for a fact that if pete tried he could write killer songs about fears of growing older and growing irrelevant but rather than writing the lyrics that actually apply to him now hes trying to fight that and write what wouldve fit his life 12 years ago. such a shame to see such a talented lyricist waste away into a money grabbing trend hopping man.

[@innuendoshakespeare]

anya zarembski this this this 100%

[@Katiebop89]

They write for us near 30 year old's who were younger in the early 2000's So we're not stuck with shit like drake for the rest of time. We need more bands like FOB.

[@Drewan27]

Older people are just kids who have lived longer than us. They still have similar emotions, just more experiences to draw from. I don’t think they are trying to please anyone. It seems like they enjoyed making MANIA. They made the songs the way they wanted to. Yes, they aren’t guitar based rock like they used to be but it’s also nice in it’s own way. Getting upset about the way others conduct their personal creative choices is a massive waste of time.

[@BlackHawk3927]

That's what Justin Timberlake did, for better or worse.

[@avanicollle]

I kind of feel like after this they might break up. I just hope they take some time off and come up with something more creative than MANIA. I thought Save Rock And Roll was the best album they’ve released but then after that they started going more and more downhill. I just hate how they are trying to stay popular when they could be more popular if they just be themselves.. Ugh I really hope they just take another few years and then come back with something great. If I start making albums and stuff I want to open for them. :(

[@hannahrose5546]

I totally agree about SRAR. I don’t think they will break up. I think they will only break up if they lose inspiration. They haven’t lost it, they are just hiding it to please the radio. But the radio is shit anyway.

[@atticustimestwo]

Hannah Rose SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[@avanicollle]

Yeah I do agree with that. MANIA just kind of worries me lol.

[@paulinesell9965]

I think that „being themselves“ is what they’re doing right now. They have put out mania even though they knew a lot of people wouldn’t like that new style because it’s what they wanted to do. This seems like Folie a deux all over again, where they make something different and everyone is just hating on it before even giving it a chance. I mean, there were already tons of negative reviews for mania before the album was even published

[@pwpw79]

Ava DeFreitas I agree with Paulina. the same thing happened with Folie- everyone said they hated it, that it wasn't like "the old FOB" yadda yadda... and now everyone's favorite album seems to be Folie a Deux, even though at the time it was almost entirely a flop

[@insertrandomnamehere]

As much as I love Fall Out Boy and M A N I A, they could *undoubtedly* benefit from what you said at the end

[@alisanavaz9426]

These types of videos are absolutely amazing! It feels like watching a professional documentary. Great job!

[@EternallyUncoolTrevor]

I originally wrote off Mania, having not been the biggest fan of what Fall Out Boy was doing with American Beauty/American Psycho. They're my second favorite band of all time and I felt like they weren't doing the best they could. I enjoyed a lot of the singles off that album, but it didn't feel like the band I admired. I thought Mania would be the same. But, I finally gave it a listen and I was surprised at how much I enjoyed. I thought the songwriting sounded like Fall Out Boy. I know it's a polarizing album, but I wanted to voice my opinion. This video was great and I love the idea of this channel doing video essays.

[@mcrpanicingatthe21falloutb88]

I was initially going into watching this with a negative mindset like ‘Another hater just going to criticise FOB’ but as I kept watching you made so many good points and best of all you weren’t blatantly criticising them and even said what they could do to be back and stronger

[@carrolllynn4077]

I'm gonna sound awful, but I feel like if this is the direction FOB is going, then maybe it's better to hang up the guitars for good. I'd rather them admit that their music will only go more downhill from here and stop making music instead of forcing themselves to keep going and crashing and burning at the end. No one wants their favorite band to breakup but sometimes it's for the better. Unless FOB can put out more quality content with the suggestions Jon made about time off and going back to basics, I think it'd be better for them to disband.

[@tobias_0704]

but I think you just forget the most important thing... Doesn't fall out boy have to be happy with what they do? And what kind of music they deliver? LIke yeah they might loose fans. But they might gain new ones. And if they like their (new) style. then its all good.

[@mayralizyordan8741]

Not if the music is souless

[@mad_dy747]

They could jsut preform the other songs... no need to hang up the guitars for good.. preform the songs people like and then we are all good.

[@mad_dy747]

@@tobias_0704 idk how to say this but like.... i love u

[@tobias_0704]

@@mad_dy747 oh hello

[@thomasleongeorgerobertglad7560]

Fall Out Boy are apparently secretly working on a "back to basics" album more along the lines of their first 4 albums, I think they saw the reception of Mania and quite possibly a few of the guys saw THIS video

[@theseth455]

Thoughts on So Much (for) Stardust?

[@m0sart786]

I completely agree Jon it absolutely saddens me to think what FOB has become, I always say this, I don’t care if they are a pop punk band I just want them to be a Great ROCK band.

[@fab8593]

Love this format! Not only is it well put together with the writing but with the editing too! Love the constructive criticism (which I agree on completely), I think they need to be said because most people think it's "mean" even tho it's not. Would love to see more of these types of vids!

[@pigeondance]

Agree! (Sorry for being off topic, but i noticed Hobi on your userpic, he's my favourite person 🌚🌚🌚)

[@balinschneider6752]

Yes please Blink182 and lady Gaga

[@Bossmetalzone]

Alpha-Gamer oh yes there is oh god yes

[@godnotavailable2094]

The Rise and Fall of Weezer The Green Day Retrospective The "Falling Out" of Fall Out Boy

[@Greenleesgirl]

The funny thing is....all these bands are doing a tour now called the Hella Mega Tour!

[@bloodstaindew1888]

Say what you want about P!ATD's change of style, but at least Brendon understood how to change their sound to positive effects. FOB... sadly didn't.

[@hñähñumaki]

bloodstainDew But his last two singles were shit tbh

[@tylercasea]

bloodstainDew He also is essentially a solo artist now, so he can do whatever he wants with his music. Fall Out Boy is still a band and a collaborative effort even if Pete likely has more influence on the band's direction than the others.

[@CTH9821]

I feel like a better comparison would be Paramore, given that Brendon is essentially a solo act now and has no influence from other members to hold him back from experimenting and doing what he wants.

[@redroseurie6149]

@@hñähñumaki DOAB was great. It went #1 on charts....but PFTW isn't as good as DOAB.

[@hñähñumaki]

Foxxii I don’t mean to sound rude and sorry if this is long but going #1 on the charts does not make it “great” (and neither is a Grammy nomination). If that’s the case then that means Taylor Swift’s “Look What You Made Me Do” is fantastic and that makes “One More Light” great as well. I do agree that PFTW isn’t nearly as good as DOAB but the lyrics in those albums both have lazy repetitive lyrics (and for someone who expresses how talented he is in songwriting and likes to work alone because people aren’t “up to his caliber”, he decides to hire over 30 people to write lyrics for DOAB ALONE but I’m not so sure about PFTW but it most likely is the same).

[@davidnissim589]

The best part of the early Fall Out Boy albums, in my opinion, were Pete's screams. It gave the albums more of a post-hardcore vibe than just regular pop punk. It's sad that Pete would rather do EDM drops and poppy lyrics nowadays.

[@Balancing_burger]

Make Fall Out Boy Great Again

[@mad_dy747]

listen to their old music again. not very hard

[@mad_dy747]

They still make amazing music... Now they have "So much (for) Star Dust" though. They are amazing. Their talent is beyond many bands these days. They are just fantastic, and no one will change my mind about that. Maybe not as big as they were before... and yes, Mania was a bit different from their usual sound, but they are still doing what they love. Phenomenal band. Have been and will always be... You can't make the exact same music all the time. They were being 'experimental,' if you will, but I feel like they were in a place to do so. They are adults now and started the band when they were teens. Them making music about their youth, for example, 'Young and Menace,' should not have gotten the hate and called 'cringe.' That's like saying a grandparent telling stories to their grandchildren about them when they were young is weird... Fall Out Boy is great. Not gonna change." Its not like the music they make now changes how great they have been with their earlier albums. They arent cringe. they make art... If you disrespect art you are kinda stupid...

[@marianaavalosarce5393]

I really like how you give the background as time went by, nice scripting!!

[@snazzychairboi777]

I find it funny how Fall Out Boy has remained consistent in one way. Pre-hiatus: Take This to Your Grave < From Under the Cork Tree < Infinity on High < Folie a Deux. Post-hiatus: Save Rock and Roll > American Beauty, American Psycho > Mania. If Fall Out Boy puts out another album it better be more than 2-3 years from now and it better at least be better than Save Rock and Roll, so I agree that Fall Out Boy needs a break to put out better stuff. I really do hope for a redemption album after the trash that was Mania.

[@rachaelwilson2784]

I’m already loving these videos

[@01uofmfanofficial]

Great essay Jon, keep up the great work!

[@GremlinBones]

More video essays!

[@PKStudios]

This is great! Even though I’m a 14 year old who’s growing up in the age of Post Hiatus Fall Out Boy, I honestly agree with all of the points you made. I have enjoyed all of their albums (Folie is the BEST) but I wish they would just be that band they used to be. Mania was just disappointing. It was kind of sad to see these former pop-punk overlords turn into what they are now. They just pander to pop trends. If they announced that they’d be taking a break, I’d be really hopeful honestly. They should continue to create the music they love, without having to worry about hitting the Top 40. After all, do you see any other bands like Green Day hitting the Top 40? No. Fall Out Boy needs to move on.

[@xribcage]

Patrick once said in an interview that once they run out of ideas they'll break up... Have you heard Sunshine Riptide? It's a fucking reggae song, how's that for running out of ideas.

[@hannahrose5546]

I would disagree with that. Mania was full of ideas. They just weren’t well organized ones and they were way too overproduced.

[@kracxl]

GoldNinja nothing's wrong with reggae. What's wrong or "odd" about it is Fall Out Boy making a reggae song

[@chaoticbluebry]

I thought mania overflowed with new ideas. Sunshine Riptide is my favorite off the album. Patrick got to do some pretty fun things with his voice on that one

[@kracxl]

yeah I agree that Patrick's vocal performance was one of the sole reasons I still "liked" the album overall (love Heaven's Gate and Church), however, you have to admit the lyrical substance was lacking in some departments overall.

[@shippyssdgfhh]

Dude, if No Doubt can create great songs with reggae why can't FOB? Honestly, people really need to stop hating on them experimenting. How boring would it be if they kept the same sound all the time?

[@zeenkissinger]

Joel’s editing is great!

[@Xaychedelic]

This is interesting. I personally think that the Fall Out Boy we all know and love are still there. And you're right. Maybe they just need a little break to find themselves again. I think they were trying to hard to please what the majority would like to hear that they forgot themselves in the process. It's sad, but true.

[@JustAVideoEnjoyer]

love it! can't wait for a lady gaga one. i wanna hear about that

[@riddypr]

1) This was a pretty fascinating video essay. I'd definitely like to see more of these on other bands/artists. 2) Joel's editing is amazing. Do you plan on keeping him as an editor for these types of videos? I think that would be a good idea.

[@psychosalad6653]

Just a small request, Jon, but one of my favorite bands, Pennywise is coming out with a new album, called “Never Gonna Die”, and I would love to see your thoughts on it.

[@psychosalad6653]

They are a punk rock band called Pennywise from Hermosa Beach, California. I would highly recommend, some the best out there.

[@kaily9456]

good essay! i think an essay about ryan ross' role in & exit from panic! at the disco would be pretty interesting. i know you have a lot of thoughts on that. and also it'd make my sister pretty happy lol.

[@ffafemo]

Fall out boy have always been a pop band at heart and maybe this is the music they wanna make, it's working for them as well in the UK they have just done a sold out arena tour and are headlining reading and Leeds Festival so there not really falling apart

[@tobias_0704]

So I have a few questions: 1. Why should the wave be the symbol for them "crashing" the band into the end? and not like bringing them "on to high ground" or somehting like that (excuse my english - i am no native speaker btw) 2. Yes they have children - but not only Fall Out Boy has. -> Children mean money -> working = money -> working = making music 3. they all seem pretty happy currenty (on tour, in interviews..) 4. They have deleayed their album to make it the way they liked it. they have said this SEVERAL times - even on tour. So for that I think they aren't rushing thaaat strong. 5. They currently have no label they are under. And Pete promised in an interview that we gonna have to expect somehting wild - and not only music/ a new album -- this STRONGLY dissents with them preparing their break-up. 6. Yeah you/many don't like MANIA? But they didn't like the other new albums in the past.. I personally think MANIA is much stronger than like AB/AP. And they have a new style since the comeback. So yeah maybey they have changed since then. But I don't think they have changed again now leading towards a breakup.. BUT yeah I feel like regarding to singing Patrick may need to slow down and give the others more parts as they might feel ignored/minor/.. but they just discuss in the band together if they are unhappy and I am pretty sure patrick isn'T a dick

[@keepdreaming31]

They were my favorite band for years and years and now it hurts that I'm not really enjoying their new music 😣

[@Liza-nk4bw]

PLEASE DO MORE

[@dancedanceawayfrommeidontl2890]

I said "Oh, boy" before clicking...😂 I actually today just listened to all of Folie a Duex today and I only kind of knew what I was getting to. I honestly don't know my opinions on them anymore. I love most of the music if not all the music (including Mania but that's just me) all the crap that is coming with the music is overwhelming and confusing. I totally agree with you even though I still like the recent albums. I'd rather have them stop making new music then watch them run themselves into the ground.. I'm getting emotional writing this and I'm not entirely sure why.. well what I'm trying to say basically is Go Jon! Your content is great!

[@Talen]

Oh man I absolutely love this style of video, so well written and well put together. Genuinely excited to see where this series goes

[@tylerbennett1021]

Lol this more like “The Sober History of Fall Out Boy, with John from ARTV” 😂😂

[@gutierrezangel1010]

I do love me some FOB,👍.

[@taeraetron]

I was waiting for the notification to pop up. I'm here and I'm ready. Quality content is coming for me.

[@kateking7683]

Excellent advice at the end. Fall Out Boy will always have a special place in my heart but their recent stuff is just not my thing.

[@no5993]

Love these type of videos!! Looking forward to more like these. Good move to add this type of content. Also congrats on almost being at 100k!

[@whatittakes8530]

Artists need to know when to end their careers when Gerard Way lost inspiration in the band and thought that they were no longer relevant he broke the band up we need more of this in the music industry tired old acts need to stop being a former shell of what they were and move on...

[@underscoreophelia]

Such a smart video! I appreciate your hard work with all the researching and thinking. I’m definitely excited more videos from this series!

[@nottsurewhattomakemyusername]

Fall Out Boy has been my favorite band since I first heard them back with the release of From Under The Cork Tree. I will always love them and be a #1 supporter of the band, and I even still love a handful of songs off of M A N I A, but this is true. Everything you said about them trying too hard nowadays to be relevant is killing them. They've completely forgotten who they are and they overuse the "music evolves over time" excuse to try to explain it. The lyrical content is still good, but nowhere near where it used to be. I want Fall Out Boy back.

[@diegobecerra8234]

Wow you just keep putting out better and better videos as your channel continues to grow! That's impressive! I would love to see more of this series!❤️

[@TyberiusWilson]

Very true stuff, and I love the direction this series is going. Awesome job playing with the sound clips, don't stop!

[@skylinesandturnstiles9595]

I love how you put your solutions to their problems. Not everyone does that, thank you for being a professional critic.

[@geakimroy]

This reminds me of a brief history by footofaferret in a good way

[@innuendoshakespeare]

Kim! :D

[@Collecterscorp]

Well baby they are back!! 😮😮😮

[@ineedagoodusernamebutfornow]

Fall Out Boy is easily one of my favorite bands with Stump being in my top 3 vocalists, but as a fan I'm scared for their future. I like M A N IA but it is their worst album to date. I feel as if they can either go in one of two directions, either go their separate ways or take time off and make something better. I can't see it getting worse than M A N IA nor do I want to. I mean Joe and Andy have The Damned Things, Pete's working on Skeleton Steph, and Patrick's is starting to score stuff. I don't want to see this band end. It will destroy me if it does, but it may be for the best. Who knows what the future holds but it sure as hell can't get any more bleak

[@mariusspiecker9486]

I still love Fob, i have no problem at all with the new album.

[@clairofan22tv20]

i don't want them to break up because they were one of the bands to get me into music but if it means we don't get another mania i'm all for it

[@RizzlessN]

zodiacrat mania is a disgrace my man

[@nora_n3ko324]

Agreed. They’re amazing, but mania was just flat out bad.

[@fleurwillis8799]

As a long time Fall Out Boy fan, I actually loved MANIA and thoroughly enjoyed seeing them live on the MANIA tour, but I definitely agree with you that the band would benefit from a break. I really think they could come back with some incredible stuff if they just had more time to write and experiment. That said, as someone with Bi-polar disorder, the MANIA album really speaks to me. It honestly feels to me like the soundtrack to a manic episode, and helps me feel alive and better about who I am. Maybe I'm biased. This band has helped me through an 11 year struggle with anorexia and bi-polar disorder and so perhaps I only see the good parts. But all I know is I would love to hear more from them.

[@all.apologies2539]

Absolutely love this Jon, I agree with the whole thing. I love FOB but they just seem so lost rn

[@mandy79319]

I really hope they see this. They are one of my favorite bands and they always will be but this would be just great

[@rubensalazar2725]

I love hearing your opinions and insights about this type of thing. Especially the parallels in old songs (like the wave crashing)

[@reanimated1541]

Loved this! I'd definitely be interested in more video essays!

[@leikfroakies]

The most frustrating thing about Mania is that there are some truly fantastic tracks on there. If they just waited much longer between albums the quality of them would naturally soar

[@LilaREmber]

here's an idea for an essay: "Paramore- a pop punk band forced to cry" I think it should be about how both the background drama behind the scenes and how they we're marketed to the public forced what could have been another fun pop punk band that would have come out of the 2000's into one of the most depressing stories of the recent music industry, a band with a new problem behind every new album that made them what they are today for better or worse. i truly believe that paramore would have been a totally different band if it we'rent for the circumstances that haunted their career. you can try to explore the sacrifices that had to be made with every change and if it would have actually been any good for them to be that supposed "happier band". i hope you at least consider this. take whatever creative liberties you want with the idea. also no credit needed for the idea but you do what you want

[@chroylikesfish]

great video John. I'd enjoy to see more with this format.

[@0verjoyed_ac]

Great video, Jon! Can't wait to see more video essays 👌🏼 And awesome editing!

[@マシュードーラン]

Change your successful formula...alienate your true fans. Happens so many times yet they never learn from it! We don’t want trendy and new we just want YOU!

[@wryanganiron2353]

We are now living in a death of rock n roll in the mainstream. Sellouts like these are no surprise.

[@LazyStarrfish]

Great video. FOB is my "childhood" or original fav band, so it's disappointing to say that I no longer enjoy their new music. But I still appreciate all of the great albums they have produced. What you said is exactly true, get back to where you once belonged and rediscover what made it so special. Hope we see a turnaround for them at some point

[@arleyvid]

God I miss them so much even though I can't get behind their last 2 albums they'll always be my favorite band and the best boys I hope they can bring themselves back

[@1ndoorliving]

Pre-hiatus fall out boy will always be my favorite. I always thought they'd come back with a sound like Alpha Dog or From Now On We're Enemies, but Mania and ABAP made it abundantly clear that's not gonna happen. I'm ok with a band switching up their sound, but not when the guitar work gets less intricate and the drums become generic and uninspired. It feels like they're dumbing it down.

[@seriouslystrange429]

I'm Soo worried they won't release another album. But I understand

[@EdgardoDC]

Lady Gaga please! Nice editing and concept, I'm starting to like this new series!

[@nickicollis593]

JAMiE DC lol😂😂

[@samsharp433]

Love this! Suggestion for next one How All Time Low hit an All Time Low

[@jernrff6912]

Fall out boy are my favourite band. I love all of there records (except mainia) and I agree with every word. They seem to feel too pressured to be relatable and be constantly active in some way or another. I wouldn’t mind another hiatus if it makes them realise that they don’t have to stop writing the way they used to for the sake of an image

[@JonesysMomma]

This is my first video from you and I think that you did an awesome job, I subbed, you're an excellent producer, it all looks and sounds amazing and it's very interesting. Lots of info, great job 👍

[@tylerbennett1021]

Oh and did you hear that they are currently independent and not signed to an album? Please make a vid on this.

[@elise85391]

This is so good. I love FOB, and even though I personally liked Mania, I can agree that it is not on the same level as their other albums. And because I love this band so much I would rather see them take another hiatus instead of pushing themselves and breaking up for good.

[@manabluerose]

I got into Fall Out boy when they released Under the Cork tree and then went back to listen to Take This To your Grave. I remember being so in love with how punk they sounded. I didn't even mind Folie. But now they seem so desperately trying to relate. I'm only a year older than Patrick stump and it makes me feel sad that they would rather appeal to 14/15 year olds than fans who grew up with them. I really wish they would get back to their roots and take more time to release music with meaning again. Great video, Jon.

[@TheGrossDemon]

I totally agree, most of the tracks off mania it took time to grow to like them after repetition. Here's hoping they take it back to the basics and their next album bliws us away and if full of calling that make sense like panic! At the Disco or twenty one pilots. I could die of happiness

[@MrMcHoonter]

I feel like if they actually made a more rock oriented album now, people would be like “what the fuck is this??”

[@LinkinParkJavi]

Yess for more video essays this one was so good!

[@Chris10237]

Very cool idea for a series! It's disappointed me to see Fall Out Boy become a commercial band. Feels like there's less passion about the music than previous albums.

[@bobabubbletea393]

I think Fall Out Boy wanted to never stop releasing music and touring mainly because they found it to be fun, even if the music wasn't that good.

[@jeremywaygay]

with years of retrospect, i think Mania isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

[@lukejuricic2242]

I actually really loved this format, and this was an amazing video. I do agree that they've declined in quality over the years, but I still love Fall Out Boy. I liked MANIA, it wasn't my favorite album, it was probably one of my least favorites by them, but I still liked it. There were some missteps *cough* Sunshine Riptide *cough*, but overall, though it was a mess album-wise, it had a really fun, catchy feel that resounded with me. I don't think FOB necessarily declined completely, though. Save Rock and Roll is one of my favorite albums of all time. But anyway, I still like the music, but totally agree with you and love this essay format. Keep up the good work.

[@trevorkeith3813]

Love this! I know that it was a little hard to come up with a new series or thing to do but I think this is a good addition. Can't wait to see more

[@nora_n3ko324]

Love the way that the video is scripted, can’t wait to see more videos like this! I’m honestly saddened by the way things are going with Fall Out Boy. They used to be one of my favorites, but I just can’t bring myself to like any of the songs on their new album. It was good while it lasted. :(

[@cmrnmay]

That's a great job, good video, the first one of yours that i've seen. It's your opinion, your essay, i get it, some things you've said might even be true. But i went through the comment section for a bit, and, isn't it wierd that teenagers kind of 'judging' the band in terms of trying to be relatable, doing wrong things in their careers? They've been in this for years, working with other professional musicians, producers, etc. Deadlines, continuous touring and fast changes in the music spheres could be damaging in some sence. Maybe they need another break, who knows, maybe they're aware of their mistakes with mania. But now the band are currently done with the island contract, as pete said, they are free to do whatever they want. So maybe if they still want to work together as a band on the next album, we should wait for something completely new. But really, thanks for your video, it's been great to hear other person's opinion, that differs from mine. It makes me mad though, that people (some fans) tell that they should just put the guitars down and never make music again or reliese another srar album. I think they're doing what they like, as best as they could for now. It would be great though if they didn't feel the pressure from the younger ewer audience. If they see that teens relate to their music what should they do? Write songs about being dads and how they want to grow old on a rancho? i mean...i'm still sure they write songs or making features with rap artists not just because they want to stay popular and relatable but because they really like it, because it feels like fob. maybe i'm out of my mind, because i've been listening to their music for more than ten years and i cant think rationally because of it. but mania still feels like fob for me, even though it's more pop and the sounding is different. If someone does not like the album maybe they should go listen some other band's new stuff. Dont be angry or upset because the band you like "gone bad", life's too fucking short for that. Listen only to the music that feels true to you. If someone've read my old fart's rant, i'm sorry. and have a nice day! And also subscribing for more video essays

[@rockerstarblack]

What?! Pax-am days is one of the best releases, why does no-one recognize this!?

[@RJIS]

It’s an EP with first draft songs. It’s great, but not popular like the albums.

[@franciscorodriguez8147]

I love almost all the albums FOB has put it out( with the exception of MANIA), i still think Folie A Deux is their best album. The themes and sound are amazing is very FOB, but different at the same time. I find it weird to read about how fans react it to it back in 09, since it is what fans now want.

[@simongedge1829]

really digging this jon, keep it up man

[@alanawicks214]

This genuinely made me think I had to watch it twice because the first time I was a little defensive that you were quite critical but after I fully understood it I completely agree with you and have a new form of respect for you

[@moiraashley86]

All Time Low might be interesting to do a video essay on (also love this video!)

[@xxmelaniexx101]

By the way, what do you personally think of the Young And Menace piano version? They left USB's for fans to find in the UK with the studio version

[@happygosunday]

Who wants to bet Joe and Andy leave before the next album

[@Hola-tq4pg]

I don't know, i saw both of them pretty happy lately, also they and Patrick and Pete had a long friendship since the beginning, unless they felt more forgotten or somebody fight with another member, i don't see them leaving the band

[@djspookyty]

Tbh I see that happening 😬

[@JulesQ94]

While they should leave, at the end of the day they are multi-millionaires because of this - regardless of how much they likely, rightfully hate it

[@mophead_xu]

Hola123 Maybe a bit unrelated, but All Time Low's old manager, Matt Flyzik did leave the crew and as far as I know they were still friends and didn't fight. I know Joe and Andy are band members whereas Matt was "just" a manager but I think the relationship dynamic was pretty similar

[@Falloutmiku]

I don't want them to break up because they are my favorite band but, I would like them to take a break for a year or two just for their well being. when they do get back and yes exactly I want them to get better.

[@MarianaPatela]

Also, I feel like Novocaine’s lyrics were kind of a warning...

[@fobdiehard]

I love the way this was written and edited! It was beautifully done and I'm looking forward to more video essays. However I do highly disagree with a lot of this. I feel like Mania has been very successful for the band with the majority of fans. I respect your opinion though and I do hope they go back to their roots eventually.