The False Predictions of Jehovah's Witnesses

[@IrishBuzz]

I was raised from my birth in 2000 till 2019 as one of Jehovahs witnesses 3rd generation, I was a ministerial servant (deacon). I started OCIA classes at my local parish a month ago. Set to be baptized and confirmed Easter 2025!! I could talk for hours about all of this, but I am glad to be home in Rome. I have yet to meet a former witness who became Catholic. Although I wish to meet some. We were raised with a hatred towards Christendom but especially towards the Catholic Church.

[@2ndSentinel]

Praise God. Welcome home.

[@StringofPearls55]

Really, towards all Christians? I didn't know that. May the Lord continually bless you on your journey! 😊

[@christopherpowell1950]

Absolutely! Praise God. We will be confirmed on the same day! Coming from once saved, always saved Calvinism, I believed mostly all Christians were saved except catholics, of course... the last accepted prejudice in the world

[@femaleKCRoyalsFan]

If you watch the journey home there have been Jehovah witnesses that became Catholic

[@Frst2nxt]

I was born into a j.w. family, and stopped believing it during elementary school, and had an interesting interaction with GOD that led me to become a Catholic.

[@holysmoke3201]

I was raised JW but refused to go when I started high school - deep down I questioned its teachings but could never discuss it with anyone for fear of being shunned and disfellowshipped. They always stressed how armageddon was just around the corner and if you weren't an active member (which meant going door to door and following all their teachings etc) you would be destroyed with all the "worldly" people. They taught that Catholicism was pagan and totally apostate and basically they were the only ones with the "truth". As I grew older and started studying the bible on my own and researching the Catholic faith (I was always drawn to it for some reason) I started to realize how gaslight and brainwashed I was about everything I was taught about the Catholic faith! I've heard people say they had a really hard time converting to the Catholic faith but I was DELIGHTED to discover it was the true apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ - not some deluded heretic born in the 1800's with no theological training or apostolic succession. I was confirmed in 2016 thanks be to God!!

[@StringofPearls55]

Amen!

[@bobbyhempel1513]

The Catholic Church does not follow Jesus's teachings.

[@dynamic9016]

​@@bobbyhempel1513Why you say so?.. Are you assuming Sola Scriptura is true too?.. Prove it

[@marvalice3455]

I was always drawn to Catholicism too. But to didn't stop going to meetings till I was in my 20s

[@holysmoke3201]

@@marvalice3455 I've read and heard so many horror stories of people leaving in adulthood makes it way harder - especially if you get married and have kids with your entire social circle in it. I hope this wasn't your case!

[@AcrosstheCanon]

“Theologically wonky”. Joe speaks on my level. Thanks for putting the cookies on the bottom shelf.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

I appreciated the use of the word "wonky" too. I'm sure to use it hereafter.

[@atgred]

Yes He did!! Throughout ALL the Masses that were celebrated last week!! He is present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity!!

[@markiangooley]

We know what actually happened in 1844! That’s when they started brewing Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer!

[@markiangooley]

Mind you, the current version is nothing special, neither a confirmation of the goodness of God nor a sign of the end of the world. Ironic popularity doesn’t mean much.

[@rushthezeppelin]

​@@markiangooleyI think we can at least recognize that beer (when enjoyed responsibly) is a confirmation of the goodness of God.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

🤣🤣🤣

[@MalleusEcclesiae]

Some Mormons were following this as well. An ex-Mormon friend was telling me her family was going to descend upon them and prepare for his return and she promptly said "I doubt it and no".

[@georgerafa5041]

I'm ex-Mormon and was only baptized Catholic this easter and you better believe my Mormon family has been eager to bring me back into their nonsense lol.

[@francescoaccomando7781]

@@georgerafa5041 God bless you.

[@HigherHeightsMK]

Christ have mercy!

[@KephasIsStPeter]

Joes collar is driving me nuts! 😂 Great episode today Joe really informative!

[@Light2eternity]

😂😂😂

[@shamelesspopery]

oh no, now it's driving me nuts!

[@Hadtoleave15]

😂 just don’t look.

[@HighKingTurgon]

Fortunately, you can do the audio podcast! xD

[@tessa7413]

I didn’t notice, until you pointed it out!

[@scottgun00]

Great vid. Now that you have addressed people trying to _predict_ the Second Coming, I'd like to hear your thoughts on certain Christians who appear to be attempting to _engineer_ the Second Coming. I had in mind John Hagee (who has apparently been clamoring for a "pre-emptive strike" on Iran for decades), but I suspect there are others who have very bizarre formulas for conjuring (so to speak) Our Lord, that have potentially deadly consequences in foreign policy.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

The state bureaucracy is all ultra liberal, so it seems unlikely people like him would ever make the difference were such a decision made

[@holysmoke3201]

Remember John Hagee's "blood moons" prediction and countless books he sold back in 2015? I had a relative who was totally duped by this :(

[@robertrenato]

I've been looking forward to this. Though half expected to see an adorable Luce doll appear behind You, would love to see it!:>

[@ScottChase-f3r]

When I was a Protestant, Martin Luther was portrayed as the saintly, virtuous man who saved Christianity from an apostate Catholic Church , restoring it to what Christ originally intended. Now a few years into my conversion, I am astonished at the tremendous damage Luther inflicted to the cause of Christ. If nothing else, it sows great confusion, because when you see the many denominations, sects and widely varying beliefs, it can’t be what Jesus intended. There has to be a mechanism in the Church to resolve doctrinal issues and render proper interpretation of the sacred texts. There was and is such a mechanism, the Magisterium, because look what Sola Scriptural got us. In my humble opinion, Luther’s ego and pride resulted in the literal disemboweling of the Church by removing sacraments and books of the Bible he didn’t like. I 100% believe that many Protestants can and will be saved. Even the most devout Protestants will lament what could have been had they availed themselves of the fullness of faith found only in Catholicism.

[@Zhought3391]

This reminds me of a lot of the charismatic practices we see, even in the RCC. If they are prophesying falsely, we need to ignore them (at best).

[@francescoaccomando7781]

Any 'renewal' leads astray, they take the word of some over what the church has been for centuries. Is that the CCR you refer to? I heard briefly about it. People that are blessed with visions of any form don't found new churches or denominations.

[@devinmedeiros9466]

I am a ex jw and I love Jesus Christ so very much

[@guildwoman]

Thank you, Joe! I so much appreciate how you show how to identify false prophets. Its happening outside and inside our Catholic faith which detracts from following and obeying Jesus and getting closer to him in order for us to finish this life in his divine will. ❤

[@Ruudes1483]

Tony is gonna love this video! 😂

[@elcidcampeador9629]

How hard is it to understand "You know neither the day nor the hour?"

[@kylematthews5438]

Instructions unclear, predicting Armageddon on April 20th 2069 at exactly 4:20 AM.

[@BensWorkshop]

Excellent work!

[@Gcock]

I really want to feel sorry for these cult members.

[@MotherLovingChristian]

A Protestant family member of mine believes Jesus’ second coming happened in 70AD and he physically reigned on earth for 1,000 years.

[@femaleKCRoyalsFan]

So he came back like 35 years after he ascended into heaven and reigned on Earth after the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem?

[@StringofPearls55]

Sola Scriptura is so dangerous. I was talking with a person (online) who was convinced St. Paul's was the true gospel.

[@femaleKCRoyalsFan]

​@@StringofPearls55St Paul taught the gospel... Which parts did he think was the different gospel?

[@gf6110]

Partial preterism is an acceptable theory in the Catholic Church.

[@milankurienov6768]

It's called post-millennialism (among lay folk like me, at least), and the scholars that hold to this view tend to defend it pretty well I've noticed. I still think it's wrong but that's neither here nor there

[@461weavile]

Uh-oh, mentioning SDA? What will our neighborhood Tony have to say?

[@AndrewDolder]

Memento mori!

[@blackcountryregista7689]

Joe, I enjoyed this but felt you could have highlighted more specifically that the Witnesses in exactly the same fashion as SDAs "spiritualized" Christ return when he didnt arrive in 1914. Also, very similarly, the crazy mathematical eisegesis required to get to 1914, and clinging to historically disproven dates. This felt more like a SDA debunking with only an additional, "oh yeah JWs are in the same boat aswell"

[@primitive.notions4789]

Agreed, to address the flaws in interpreting the year/day principle is the best path to challenging the great controversy and the interpretations of Daniel that are the cornerstone of SDA's allegations against the catholic church.

[@dynamic9016]

Thanks much for this video.

[@bearistotle2820]

Hey! October 22nd is my birthday!

[@classicalteacher]

Hola Jesús, ¿eres de México? ¿Naciste en 1844?

[@ThePlayfarer]

My birthday is one day later, damn!

[@parkerbaum2537]

Same!

[@marvalice3455]

Mine too!

[@nicosyiallouris1103]

Just subscribed

[@bexie1992]

It's like they've never read Revelation 😅.

[@femaleKCRoyalsFan]

Likely very edited like they did to the beginning of the Gospel of John.

[@StringofPearls55]

They read it, but they misinterpret it. It's like they're all looking for a secret gem overlooking the beauty of what God has revealed.

[@francescoaccomando7781]

It's the wonders of Sola Scriptura.

[@milankurienov6768]

​@francescoaccomando7781 more like Sola ipse

[@friendlyolbum]

​@@francescoaccomando7781 but wait, they would have known better had they read it. How is that a charge against Sola Scriptura

[@adam7402]

Perhaps we should discuss the 3 days of darkness.

[@lukeohanlon2960]

Joe what do you think of the new vatican document?

[@powerlessburger]

Luce?

[@lukeohanlon2960]

@@powerlessburger Dilexit Nos

[@vinciblegaming6817]

@@powerlessburgerThe Sacred Heart document. I thought it was good. I only read a third of it and skimmed the rest, but none of it is controversial. If anything, it reaffirms the need for human work and physical interaction in the era of AI and virtual interactions. It especially promotes the human capacity for art.

[@powerlessburger]

@@vinciblegaming6817 ah yeah that was good

[@michaelbeauchamp22]

The sacred Heart devotions were one of the first things that drew me toward Catholicism. I didn't know there were recent documents on it, so I'm excited to dig into them

[@iamdigory]

I do not think that we should say that the chance of Christ returning in our lifetime is small, we ought to expect him at any and every moment. This is another problem with date setting: it gives people false confidence that Christ will not return BEFORE the set date.

[@whitebeans7292]

There are certain things that will happen before Jesus returns; most obviously the *anti-guy* will be in charge (I can't say the real word on YT). He will have very obvious and public signs. This isn't false confidence, it's what Jesus told us and what is in the last book of the Bible.

[@michaelman957]

Solid points.

[@Georgina50]

🙏 thank you

[@JonCrs10]

12:45 To be fair, even some World War historians argue that WW2 is basically more like an Act II after a brief armistace than a truly distinct war like, say, the Cold War and its many subsidiary conflicts.

[@iamdigory]

And we can even argue that the cold war was act 3 of the same ongoing conflict. There was one world War that lasted from the assassination of the archduke to the fall of the wall.

[@thatsfunny2051]

I love these videos about 19th century sects. Very interesting

[@cruznature7545]

SDA, Mormons, JW....pretty much are all in the same boat.

[@tookie36]

And the Protestants

[@maxellton]

What time zone? Oct 22nd GMT, PST, UTC?

[@Catilieth]

I have a rule. The moment anyone says that on this day, or at this time, the world will end, I am SURE that the world will NOT end at that time. It is the one sure safe time to say the world will not in that day, so no need to worry about THAT day.

[@bentesta521]

Now suppose I say it every day...

[@benjaminfalzon4622]

We can't wait for the Pope to reveal the Third secret.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@RobH2Test]

Off topic, but does anyone remember which episode it was that Joe was responding to someone that completely botched the Holy Roman Empire joke by trying to apply it to the Roman Empire? At least I hope it was Joe. I was rewatching a bunch of episodes and couldn't find it.

[@thisisit2878]

I believe it's in his episode about the Assumption of Mary. John MacArthur says it.

[@RobH2Test]

@@thisisit2878 Yes! Found it. Thanks so much!

[@shamelesspopery]

@@thisisit2878 The people who keep track of which episodes have which jokes in them are the best.

[@thisisit2878]

@@shamelesspopery It's easy when your episodes are so great that I listen to many of them repeatedly.

[@hynjus001]

Joe, are taking on disciples? I'd like to follow you around and just learn through osmosis.

[@atrifle8364]

Excellent closing thoughts. Yes, there's an end of the world. We all need to prepare for the end of our personal world. It's the same work anyway.

[@Drdward]

I'm a protestant but absolutely love the way Joe presents all of his topics in such a thorough manner, if I don't always agree with what he is saying. This, however, I think is always one way in which Catholics and Protestants can be united. We have an opportunity to come together and defend the faith against JW's/Mormons, in a way of good spirits, to hopefully show them the truth of who Jesus is. God bless you all.

[@Humbleservant0707]

God bless you as well. 🙏 🙌

[@StringofPearls55]

True enough.

[@thisisit2878]

You're not as different from the Mormons and JW's witnesses as you think. Your beliefs also necessitate a Great Apostasy conspiracy where ALL known Christians were wrong (about salvation, worship, the church, etc.) for 1500-1900 years.

[@allikirman2183]

@@thisisit2878 Wrong. None of the reformers thought that the church was corrupt as a whole or from the beginning. They were reacting against medieval innovations that took root in the 16th century, like the treasury of merit and papal indulgences.

[@thisisit2878]

@@allikirman2183 I'm well aware that the Reformers dishonestly tried to fudge it and claim that, and yet when you actually get into the specifics, what I said is indeed true. For just a couple quick examples... Ulrich Zwingli on baptismal regeneration: "In this matter of baptism … I can only conclude that all the doctors have been in error from the time of the apostles." John Calvin on the Sacrifice of the Mass: "It appears that the ancient Fathers called the Supper a sacrifice. ... Yet I cannot quite excuse the custom of the ancient Church. For by gestures and manner of acting, they outlined a kind of sacrifice, as if it were the same ceremony as there was in the Old Testament, except that in place of the animal bread was used for victim. Because this approaches too near to Judaism, I do not approve it." Baptismal regeneration and sacrificial Eucharistic worship are not even close to being "medieval innovations" - they're unanimous Christian belief from the beginning - and yet the Reformers still rejected them... along with (almost) everything else.

[@juans6639]

Mt.24:36; "....Not even the Angels of Heaven, nor the Son, but the Father ONLY...." Obviously, the many False Prophests Our Lord Jesus Christ in 33A.D, warnedus about (when He founded His One and ONLY Catholic Church) have never read this part of Scripture.

[@realdan512]

No!

[@PuzzlesC4M]

Don’t forget the dispensationalist baptists and Calvary Chapel folks who said the fig tree started blooming in 1948 when Israel became a nation and that the generation that saw the fig tree bloom would not pass away, and a generation is 70 years, so that puts us at… a potential 2018 rapture. I haven’t heard them talk about the fig tree much anymore, oddly enough. Also something, something, Bush invades Iraq, Apache helicopters, UPC code mark of the beast.

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

The generation speaks of their characteristics, not the length of time. The generation was wicket, corrupt, evil, perverse. Read the Lord's description of the Jewish people in various places. That is exactly how they are now. They are a wicket people, godless and back in the land in unbelief. They will continue in this condition right up until the time when the Son of Man returns to deliver them at Armageddon. They will look on Him and realise that this man is the Jesus they crucified and rejected. They will believe as a nation and be saved, or at least the remnant will.

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

Who deleted my reply? I explained that the generation does not mean length of time, but it describes the character of Israel and the Jewish religious leaders, wicked, vicious, corrupt, godless. That is exactly the situation at the present and will remain until the Son of Man comes back in power and glory at the end of the great Tribulation period. This is the truth, reject if you like, but you will remain blinded to the truth.

[@PuzzlesC4M]

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 Huh? So what does that have to do with the fig tree? People have always been godless and corrupt. Are you trying to cover for the false prophets and tell me your new interpretation is the truth? That's hilarious.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

You know, that's interesting. I've often thought about that myself. When Israel's nation was restored, that seems like it should have meant something. The apostle Paul talked about the age of the Gentiles coming to a close. That doesn't seem to have happened yet but who am I to judge? All that stuff is interesting but it can tend to take our eye off the ball. The gospel of Christ is the meat and potatoes. That other stuff is just so much after dinner mints or whatever.

[@JonathonLlamas]

I love when False churches make predictions, because it shows that they are false 😊😊

[@fabianagco5902]

As far as I understand, also the Bahai believe the Millerite calculation, and they believe Christ did come in the form of their own religious founder Baha'u'llah.

[@HenryLeslieGraham]

not many people realise that sunday is the first day of the week. and saturday is the last.

[@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039]

In some parts of the world, like in Latin America countries, Monday is the 1st day and Sunday the 7th

[@Humbleservant0707]

Yes. Sunday is the first day and the Lords day. The apostles worshipped on the 1st day.

[@Maranatha99]

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Mathew 24, 14 ALL WE KNOW is that the endtimes will not start until the gospel of JC has reached the whole world.

[@tomthx5804]

Last I heard, Jesus just left Chicago, and he's bound for New Orleans.

[@Alexandria-80]

I, too, would head south for the winter if I could.

[@PInk77W1]

At least JWs can have beards now

[@niftyspiffyguy]

Instructions unclear. I now say at the beginning of every day that today is the day Jesus will return. Rather than live inside of the confessional booth I decided to become a acetic hermit… don’t ask how I got the internet connection and abilities to post this comment 🤫

[@Tewhill357]

For the record, I think Jesus returning in glory would be a really good thing. I am in favor of that.

[@ChipAltmanxD]

St. Paul? No sir. Barnabas? Nope. Hebrews was written by E.G. White.

[@thisis_chavez]

I always pray that I become a successful Catholic Social Media Influencer to spread the teachings and Revelations of the Catholic Church and the entire Christendom. I hope and pray the Devotion to the Eucharist and the Holy Souls in Purgatory helps me. Our Lady of Tears, pray for us Please pray 3 Hail Mary for me and my family

[@junacebedo888]

A tiny bit of common sense on the book of revelations would make anyone realize that "Seven" will not return till the world is worshipping 666 as a bogus Christ. (NOTE: Satan would be a fake Jesus. Not an anti Christ

[@happybeejv]

Nah I'm pretty sure the world ended in 1844. This is a completely different world from that one

[@MotherLovingChristian]

As a true prophet, I can tell you this comment will get no replies.

[@IrishBuzz]

Well you’re lucky we aren’t under the law of Moses cause you’d be gettin stoned right about now ;) 😂

[@AndrewDolder]

🗿

[@jomidiam]

That's ok. I assume you meant spiritual replies that we can't see, so I still believe in you.

[@MotherLovingChristian]

@@bigfootapologetics I really meant your comment won’t get a reply.

[@michaelbeauchamp22]

@@MotherLovingChristian😂

[@benjaminfalzon4622]

As I've said over and over, If it isn't in the Bible, it isn't coming from God. Are you talking about the Jehovah's Witnesses or The Seventh-day-adventists? Joe sounds very confused. Read what Jesus said concerning his second coming in Matt 24:26-27 and Matt 24:36. That's the time Jesus will return...Do you see any date and year? What about the Catholic Church's false predictions.? The Catholics are still waiting for the third secret to be revealed?😂

[@461weavile]

"If it isn't in the Bible, it isn't coming from God." I don't follow. What's the logic there? This seems obviously incorrect to me.

[@benjaminfalzon4622]

@@461weavile The reason all of the End-of-the-world predictions by the JWs, including by some other denominations have failed, is they predicted the dates and the years. The Bible doesn't mention the dates and Years. The Bible reveals the signs, known as the signs of the times. Not only religions are wrong, but also the politicians because they failed to understand those signs. Climatic disasters are one of those signs. But they blame the fossil fuels and CO2 emissions for climate change and global warming. God created the fossil fuels, if fossil fuels could cause the climate to change and the planet to get warmer God would not have blessed planet Earth with so much coal and gas. No wonder everybody is living in fear these days. They are not listening to what God is saying. If they think the renewables are going to fix the climate they better think again.

[@frederickanderson1860]

Same with the Fatima secrets

[@Anthony-fk2zu]

They came true though.

[@frederickanderson1860]

@@Anthony-fk2zu l doubt it. Especially the influences of freemasonry and modernism liberalism democracy. The need for such warnings are not needed. Because who has the keys to the kingdom. Not all who say lord lord will enter in. Now imagine the original apostles allowing such a church as of now.

[@francescoaccomando7781]

Which fatima secrets have not come to pass, which one gave dates? The three fatima secrets were: 1. the vision of hell: not a prophecy 2. the end of the WW1 and the coming of another great conflict (which was WW2), no dates given. It also was attribute to the fall and spread of comunism. 3. the vision of the "white bishop", no dates or specific people given. Which has no clear interpretation or attributed to anything specific.

[@atrifle8364]

​​@@frederickanderson1860- I don't remember Peter and the apostles being perfect.

[@Anthony-fk2zu]

@@frederickanderson1860 the first secret was a vision of hell. The second secret was a prophecy that if the world didn’t convert then a terrible war would happen, and WW2 did happen. Even with auroras seen far and wide one night like the secret said. The third secret describes an attempt on the popes life. Didn’t get JPII get attacked by an assassin? What am I missing here? This all sounds like it came true or was warnings about people needing to convert.

[@bobbyhempel1513]

Now let's talk about how Catholics twist scripture and tell you to pray to people that died instead of praying to God in the name of Christ. The Bible clearly tells you that Jesus Christ is the only intercessor And that you should not pray to saints or other peopleYet catholics will pray to Mary and ask her to intercede on their behalf.

[@freelance1161]

Catholics are right but you got all things wrong because you started with wrong interpretations. You have very false foundations that is why you get everything wrong.

[@zacharyvandress1120]

Catholics don't tell you to pray to anybody but God. If you so desire you can petition any saint before the beatific vision of God. No word in the catechism of the catholic church doesn't require any catholic to pray to anybody but god.

[@PatrickSteil]

At least do your research to find out WHY Catholics do this and THEN argue against the true and full teaching. Just because you don’t understand it, doesn’t mean it’s wrong unless you are trying to do some infallible teaching here.

[@coreymccain]

I am a SDA, and have commented on this podcast a few times. I like watching Joe's content. I want to share some things concerning the SDA portion of the video. I don't have any condemnatory for Joe as he always seems to strive to get details right but even with that its impossible for him to know the greater picture on something like this just as it is for about some Catholic history. This isn't really a rebuttal but more of clarification from a well studied SDA. Concerning Hebrew's 9, all SDA believe Jesus entered a literal heavenly sanctuary after His ascension and began His High Priestly ministration, this did not begin in 1844. It is debated within the church of the movement from the Holy place to the most holy place is literal or symbolic, if the Sanctuary is an open concept or does it literally have two fully separated apartments. This is minor because the important point is too understand what began in 1844, the judgment of Daniel 7 and Daniel 2, which is completed in Daniel 12:1. Here is a list of mistakes the Millerites had that led to the false prediction: 1. The "daily" (sacrifice is wrongly supplied in dan 8 , 11 and 12 but they knew that, however they got the meaning wrong) 2 this led to a wrong understanding of the sanctuary in the same chapters. 3 this led to a false understanding of the event of the 2300, 4 originally calculated the 0 year so that is why they originally had 1843. 5 the 2300 is a yearly prophecy so it didn't need an exact day, oct 22nd, it only needed to be understood as the fall of 1844, so yes the karaite reckoning issue was not necessary and isn't important today either. 6 no one knows the day or hour passages. This was the most obvious error, however critics fail to realize that Jesus told His disciples numerous times about His death and they failed to accept it. This was far more of an obvious error than the Millerites as it was numerous times and they were with him in person, unlike the Millerites 1800 years later. 7 they didn't fully understand the parallel prophecies of Daniel. All of these study mistakes led to the failed understanding of the event. The event was not a spiritual return. Jehovah's witnesses make many second coming passages about 1914 and spiritualize those passages. SDA do not do that. All second coming passages will be a literal 2nd coming. Concerning October 22, Hiram Edson vision isn't meant to claim that the judgment and cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary began in that specific day. He only saw movement in the vision. The prophecy of the 2300 being yearly doesn't require the exact day, on the fall of 1844. I realize many SDA then and today believe the exact day is important but this is a mistake that should have been corrected long ago. The cleansing of the sanctuary is the final blotting out if sin in the books of heaven during the judgment. The record of sin is in these books and will be blotted out. The saints will go over these books during the 1000 years. Revelation 10 is a prophecy of the 1844 great disappointment. If anyone wants to study the entirety on the book of Daniel I can do so on zoom. I believe when seen in entirety the opposition to our belief on 1844 is exposed as error whether a person is a preterist or a futurist. In closing, yes they falsely predicted the wrong event but they all confessed it. Some went on to better understand the prophecies while others continued to predict future dates until they came to nothing, while others went back to the popular Antiochus Epiphanies IV view of Daniel 8. I probably forgot something but this gives a deeper dive into the issue. Blessings Corey McCain

[@atrifle8364]

The first SDA mistake was the attempt to predict the date of Christ's return. If only God the Father knows then any mere human attempts will end in failure. Plus, the "slice, dice, and reassemble" approach to Scripture is disorienting.

[@emilyzlockard]

I think this is a really charitable and coherent clarification, and I think it’s great that you make it. I do think, however, that the larger issue remains, which is, why be a part of this group? It was entirely built out of this tumultuous period in New England when LDS and Miller and White were essentially making up new things from a position of not being very well versed theologically. It doesn’t make sense that Jesus would be so bad at setting up a church properly that he fails for 1800 years until Joseph Smith or EGWhite can come along and fix it for God. As a person raised mainstream Protestant, it just seems crazy unless you were just raised that way I suppose.

[@Garry_Combine]

@@atrifle8364 This, alongside there fact that SDA's are very clearly Judaizers who just seem to ignore the fact we're not bound to a lot of the old covenantal stuff. EI (to summarise St. Paul) "you don't need to be a good (word that'll likely get my comment deleted) to be a good Christian". And Jesus' declarations that what was unclean is now clean (Mark and Matthew). The issue is, the SDA's just outright ignore Jesus on a lotta things. Alongside believing Ellen G. White to have inspired writings

[@Garry_Combine]

@@emilyzlockard but yeah, tbf, the main response is actually charitable ,a lot more than other responses

[@coreymccain]

@@emilyzlockard from my perspective the devil knew the prophetic time lines of the 2300, 1260, 1290, 1335, were all coming to an end between 1798 and 1844, and that God was about to reorganize the church thus he setup counterfeits to confuse the situation. It worked well because he knows people don't study these prophecies. The argument of the 1844 failure by the Millerites is a smoke screen in order to keep people from studying the Prophecies of Daniel and Revelation. As Trent Horn wisely spoke in a recent video, "you lose, I win fallacy", is a fitting example of this scenario.

[@ChristoverMarxfortheWin]

This is just a ripoff of Walter Martin's Kingdom of The Cults.

[@shamelesspopery]

What is?

[@ChristoverMarxfortheWin]

@@shamelesspopery Your expose. Read The Kingdom of the Cults. By, Walter Martin. He may have had a cheap Tupe, but he had a very valuable grasp on Christian truth. Also, the Christian Research Institute has been doing what you are attempting to do for at least 50-years. Catholics live in too isolated a Christian world.

[@trevorhanlin4247]

"not in a sanctu-mary" shameless joe

[@benjaminfalzon4622]

Joe Heshmeyer overlooked, or couldn't understand, the simple question Jesus' disciples wanted to know, "and that's not the only thing Joe overlooked"...That question is in Matt 24:3. The disciples asked him when will it be the sign of your coming and the end of this age.? Jesus gave them the answer in full detail. Jesus gave them signs, not dates. Wars and rumours of wars, Earthquakes in diverse places, false religions, such as {Catholicism, JWs, Adventists, protestism} etc. Famines and pestilence...Those signs have always existed, but in the last days, they'll increase dramatically. Finally, those signs will trigger WW3. and the Second coming of Christ {to clean up the mess that humans have caused.} and to save his Church as in Revelation 11". Not the Church in Revelation 17. That is the Church we know today as the Catholic church. The CC is doomed. "Truly I tell you, this generation shall not pass until all these things have happened"Matt 24:34 Those things haven't happened yet they are still happening. Jesus wasn't talking about the generation of that time. Jesus was talking about the nuclear Generation. That's this generation!". Only now the 2,000-year-old Prophecy can reach its climax. The prophecy is ready to be fulfilled any time from now on. All that is needed is for some dictator to start pushing down his nuclear buttons.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

It seems to me that the Catholic way to fix this "wonky" interpretation of Hebrews 9 would be to claim, "Peter was the first pope", right? I mean, that's how the Mother Church fixes her wonky interpretations, isn't it? For example, we have CLEAR commandments of Jesus (the King) nullified by, "Peter was the first pope." That's how Mother does it. If it's good enough for the Mother then it's good enough for her children. If not, why not?

[@michaelbeauchamp22]

Is it your opinion that the Heavens have not yet been sanctified by Christ?

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@michaelbeauchamp22 - That's not why I made that comment. Catholicism has an out for all her contrary and contradictory doctrines. It's always the same excuse: "Peter was the first pope". Why, therefore, would it be out of line for any denomination to use the same cheat? Any time you don't like what the scriptures say then declare, "Peter was the first pope" and everything past that is adjusted to your liking. That door swings both ways. If your denomination has a theology that counters the clear word of God then you're engaged in the same scam as all those you find fault with. It's the whole "beam in thine own eye" scenario.

[@michaelbeauchamp22]

@ Ahh, spoken like someone who clearly has refused to listen to anyone he talks to. Stop arguing with the strawman version of Catholicism you made up in your head maybe?

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@michaelbeauchamp22 - It's no straw man. You know I'm right. Mariology: Where is all that business in the apostolic faith? Nowhere. You can't cite B/C/V for any of it. All you get is some reference to some mysterious magical magisterium as authority. Okay, where is that specified in the apostolic faith? Answer? "Peter was the first pope", of course. You see, any and every theology that counters God's word is supported by the same trump card - the cheat that fixes. It's a get out of jail free card and it's played over and over again. It's a scam and Catholics know it.

[@georgepierson4920]

@@GizmoFromPizmo Why do you believe that the Magisterium is mysterious and magical?

[@ChristoverMarxfortheWin]

A "Roman Catholic" daring to showcase the theological and Biblically un-based errors, beliefs and acts of other religious spinoffs and still champion your own questionable oddities is almost shocking. Almost. With the exception of Islam's 1500-years of being wrong (eh hem), "Roman Catholicism" has developed its own convoluted biblical paths for 1700-years. You shouldn't throw stones at wrong religious groups with so many paths prescribed by Roman Catholics on hapless and weighed down tithers to make membership in that club quite the dangerous choice. (By the way, Walter Martin beat you to the punch 50-years ago.)

[@Anonymousduck161]

Prove it. I’ll wait.

[@VivatChristusRex99]

Dang. I didn’t know a demon would manifest here today

[@ABLEARC]

​@@VivatChristusRex99 thats a demon to you bro?

[@VivatChristusRex99]

@@ABLEARC oh for sure bro. I mean just look at the guy. Completely possessed by the demonic!! /s

[@classicalteacher]

The original comment writer does not believe that the Eucharist is Jesus. He is an anti-Christ. He is fighting against God because he is scared his faulty worldview will be proven wrong if he opens his eyes.

[@nahomafriend]

thanks