How Holocure Innovates On Its Inspiration

Holocure is the perfect display of a fangame which managed to completely surpass the very game that it took so many of its best features from.
Today, I wanted to talk about the constant loop of inspiration, in which media (particularly games) are prone to taking from others, with the line between influence and imitation being exceptionally thin in the world of video games.
THUMBNAIL BY: / uwonos
===Sources===
Any footage not credited is either trailers taken from the publisher/major gaming publication or my own.
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FNF Pibby Peppa: • Friday Night Funkin Vs...
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===Music===
Misteavous Myth-Buster: • Misteavous Myth-buster
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All other Utilized Music from HoloCure or Vampire Survivors.

[@Kronical69420]

Its content creators supporting content creators. If you make a good hololive fan game, the girls will not only play it, they will appreciate it. Kiara just recently cried on stream because she was overwhelmed with how much appreciation for her a developer put into his frog game. In this world we need that positivity. Also a lot of the hololive music bangs!!

[@slimeprivilege]

you are so easily deceived

[@Woefool_]

Honestly wish I spent an entire section just talking about the OST for this game since it has no right being as good as it is. The remixes go way too hard.

[@Saplingbat]

@@slimeprivilege Tell me you don't know anything you're talking about without telling me you don't know anything you're talking about

[@zearcjustice7837]

@@slimeprivilege what cause you to lost your hope in humanity ?

[@Artista_Frustrado]

@@Woefool_ in all fairness mr Tanigo did compare them to AKB48 for a reason (besides creating an evergreen Meme)

[@CasuallyShadow]

IT WAS MAGIC SURVIVAL THAT CAME FIRST????? I FUCKING KNEW IT, I WAS PLAYING THAT GAME SINCE BEFORE VAMPIRE SURVIVORS

[@asifkaka5052]

Wow I still play that game on my phone from time to time. i was always thinking if they copied VS but it was the other way around. So cool.

[@AlexanderVonMalachi]

Except it was Crimsonland. April 22, 2003.

[@yohhh6715]

Yeah like VS isn't exactly the most original game but I'll be damned if it doesn't what it does well

[@default9314]

Ikr, Magic survival mentioned

[@coreydorce8246]

Honeslty I hadn't heard of VS until like half a year later

[@brandonlewis2861]

I believe the guy behind this game is also now making a side scrolling beat em up hololive fan game.

[@dbagette]

called Holo X Break and is also free on Steam

[@Franpowah]

Oh heck yeah, crossing my fingers that it has a Ragnarok Battle Ofline feel

[@La4geas]

He did, but it's not that good

[@LokiThePug]

Indeed, it’s hella fun

[@luisgarcia1337]

Fun fact: the main dev behind both Holocure and Holo X Break, Kay Yu, is also an animator. And he is making an animated MV for one of Hololive's EN branches, HoloPromise, to celebrate their 6 month anniversary.

[@Dr.SamCarterPhD]

Holocure exists in the same space as Idol Showdown, being a a fangame which gained greater recognition outside of its fan community

[@zhaoyun255]

I also love that the requirement for Collab and Super Collab (weapon fusion) are less of a hassle compared to VS.'s Evolve Weapon since the condition are homogenized. Only need to raise both weapons or item to the max and get a Golden Anvil or Golden Anvil+Golden Hammer for Super Collab..

[@Woefool_]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention if but this is a great point too. It makes building into them a lot more convenient since you can kinda just pick items you want based on your character and then choose weapons from there or vice versa. A lot more seemless than having to combo two weapons imo

[@zhaoyun255]

@@Woefool_ The best part was that you are allowed to have 4 Collabs and 1 Super Collabs at max based on your inventory. For balance purpose, you are only allowed to have Golden Hammer if you reach Lv 50 and ONLY 1. Otherwise, you would break the game.

[@grfrjiglstan]

It’s all about whether a game has what I call the sauce. Magic Survival is technically competent, but it has no sauce. Vampire Survivors has a healthy amount of sauce, but it wears out its welcome after a while. Holocure’s sauce is a very specific flavor not everyone likes, but if you like it, you’ll love it.

[@angelerror4086]

saying magic survival has no sauce is like disregarding everything about its art direction and setting :P

[@grfrjiglstan]

@@angelerror4086 The enemies are squiggles, and the translation is so bad one of the moves is called "Deny of Exist"

[@angelerror4086]

@@grfrjiglstan They aren't just squiggles for the sake of squiggles, I honestly love the game's artstyle, there's a whole bunch of people trying to recreate it. There's also lore about the setting too. The translation is unrelated to the "sauce"

[@anusaukko6792]

@@grfrjiglstan So you just point out that an artstyle you dont like and a faulty translation = no sauce W bait

[@ultimaxkom8728]

I love Magic Survival and I even came back many times, but fans shouldn't be stans. Lore? What lore? If anything, its gameplay that matters for most.

[@autismandgaming4532]

Kay yu out here putting the entire triple A gaming industry to shame without even wanting to get a dime from it

[@Karanthaneos]

This game was honestly a big door for me and one of the things that got me into Vtubers. There was a level of care and passion from the dev that was contagious, and learning about the many characters and how much each referenced their history through their attacks, items, abilities, and ultimate skills showed me that there was a sense of community and labor of love that was just contagious. And it's freaking free.

[@qwertydavid8070]

It's FREE???

[@NGuyEN28410]

@@qwertydavid8070 despite how much everyone wants to throw money at him, the dev just wouldn’t let us!!

[@westein1282]

​@@qwertydavid8070 It's free 👍 Because the creator is a G👌

[@x149te]

4:53 - same. I can't tell anything about VS characters. Most of them using only for starter weapon. In HoloCure characters have their skills that giving them unique build or at least interesting experience. 6:00 - one of big things I like is waves of enemies. You dont't feel that mobs are random swarm with rare flock of bats and circle of flowers. I like Hololive community for such projects. There are around 250 games at this moment. Most of them are weak or made for Holo Jam (hololive fans game jam) in few weeks. But you can feel their passion. HoloCure, Idol SHowdown, Flare Nui Quest, Delivering Hope, lot of them. Right now in development around 5 fighting games, kart game, few platformers (one of them making by Freedom Planet devs) and i don't know how much more (in one moment out of nowhere was made 5 Suika game holo clones, some of them with their unique mechanics). And funniest thing. "Hey, I'm Kay Yu, announcing new Holo game by my HoloCure team under Hololive official indie games programm that letting fan devs make money on Hololive IP (look, Nintendo, learn!) in Steam... for free!" This guy doesn't care.

[@Woefool_]

Honestly at some point in VS, outside of when I unlock a new character and do a run with them, I just end up using the ones with weapons I like and largely neglecting the passives lol. I'm honestly not even super entrenched in Hololive or the community (I am mostly a clip enjoyer myself), but the amount of dedication that the fans have is honestly insane. I don't know that I've seen a fandom go to these lengths just out of respect for the creators that they like and it's kind of nuts, and even if some of the games are more amateur I honestly think that's fine since it allows people to support holo while improving their own talents. It's all very inspiring to see imo. Kay Yu choosing to make his second game ALSO free just makes me respect him magnitudes more tbh since he is truly in it for the passion or he's just nuts but either way I'm all here for it.

[@x149te]

@@Woefool_ I'm myself mostly clips enjoyer (since Kizuna Ai era, before HoloEN debut), but begin liking Hololive concerts since last year (Marine's retro concert in 4:3, CRT filter was crazy, or Bae's choreo skills, man...).

[@Franpowah]

I hope Holocure ends up being the starting point of a Touhou-like scene of indie games made out of love and fun.

[@Woefool_]

I really want more indie/fangames games made with passion to flourish rather than cash-grabby ripoffs tbh. Didn’t know how good we had it back in the old RPGmaker days.

[@monstruswallaby9981]

imagine a game where its holocure but with touhou characters

[@liamminnihan9021]

The hololive fanbase is very passionate. I think that the only fanbase that is more passionate is the touhou fanbase. They are insane.

[@VTsiFanfic]

@@liamminnihan9021 everything must be bad apple capable. We will continue verification until this reality is in full compliance.

[@altrivotzck6565]

I'm gonna be pretty proud in the future, when this channel blows up, knowing I was the 20th subscriber. Whenever I usually come across a small channel like this with great videos, they either have around 1-5k subscribers or 20-50k, or sometimes around 300-600 (if the topics they're covering are either particularly niche, or oversaturated + their style not having that much mass appeal) so seeing this channel with THREE videos of this quality and only *19* subscribers truly blows my mind.

[@Woefool_]

Honestly cannot express how much I appreciate this comment and I hope to continue making more videos that maintain that level of quality!! Thank you very much for your kindness and I'll do my best to make sure each video is as entertaining as the last :)

[@mid-boss6461]

Me 207th

[@saintstay7387]

All three developers and their games - HoloCure, FNF, Vampire Saviors, remind me of the days of the old internet when creators make amazing animations, video games, mods, songs, and everything in between out of love for their fanbase/s.

[@TJ_isa_Weeb]

I’m surprised you had only 45 subs at the time of watching. It’s so good. The editing, the thumbnail, the speaking. All so good. I can’t wait to see where you go next

[@UserHey]

This video didn't had any right to be this good! Great voice, great montage, great narrative flow...Keep it up!

[@ChrisDelta000]

This video goes crazy stupid hard. The narration is very informed and straight to the point... It's amazing.

[@Taraku43]

Hololive in general has by now 3 completely fangames that gained their own reputation outside of Hololive fans. Holocure as an extremely good Vampire Survivors clone, Idol Showdown as a really good fighting game, and Holo X Break as a fun little 2D Streets of Rage type Beat em Up. And as a Hololive fan, it is just nice to see that you are in a community where some aren't just making "fan" projects to earn a quick buck, but out of pure passion

[@Woefool_]

Just wanted to drop by and say thanks to everyone who watched this video! 500 views is honestly way more than I thought I’d reach on one of my first few videos, and I appreciate everyone who stops by and spends time! I haven’t been able to work on much due to life stuff but I’ll definitely get back on the grind soon :)

[@Woefool_]

Wanted to follow up on this and say it’s crazy that after only 10 days I’ve reached almost 1500 views!!! I honestly can’t thank all of you enough for taking the time to comment and like. I’ve been very busy the last few weeks with projects and stuff but hoping the next video does even a fraction as well as this and people like it as well :)

[@Woefool_]

@@Woefool_ Uhh so this video exploded much more than I thought it would especially after like 3 days of my last comment. So as a little preview of my next video to anyone reading this comment, I'll definitely be doing a video about Wuthering Waves since I have some... Opinions on the game after being relatively excited pre-release.

[@MasacoMike]

@@Woefool_ the algorithm has blessed you!

[@4DonicTH]

@@Woefool_ your quality is comparable to content creators with hundred thousands followers. Due to that, You're going to get one more :)

[@aggapuffin]

Good job on 500 views!! :)

[@jacudoloko]

"At the end of the day, if someone just copy of what was already being made, why would I just play the original?" I think this quote speaks a lot for a lot of games, and some other midia like movies and literature

[@bredskat4263]

Another VS-like that has aiming is Picayune Dreams, the game is a very surreal experience with a pretty addicting gameplay loop, the items and weapons are displayed with line of code, so you know what stacking certain items does, and your hitbox is a literal dot on the center of the screen, dodging enemies becomes a serious task in late runs. The game is very story driven and it doesn't take long to beat, beside being cheap, i'd recommend whom read this to try it

[@Woefool_]

Wait the art style for this one looks pretty dope. I might honestly check it out later this week.

[@NanashiCAST]

your oshi is your playstyle

[@Sweet__D]

my man actually linked seemingly every video they used footage of if even for a second now i can watch the funny alien ao oni clone what a hero! [subbed[

[@Shadow-ck5vc]

Speaking of fan games, the Touhou project has some insane fan games. Luna nights and Mystia's Izakaya being two recent great examples.

[@Woefool_]

Honestly plan to do a deep dive video on Touhou and its fandom at some point. I just don’t know from exactly what angle to tackle it from yet but I have a friend who can help me so I’m hoping I can get to it soon?

[@sheepcommander_]

yayy

[@davidwusoftdev]

Great job on the video! Excellent presentation, research and narration. 👍

[@TrollCapAmerica]

Bet this vid will blow up once the next update hits. Nice vid btw very well done

[@scorchingemblem7873]

I fangame that I think deserves more attention is 7th Stand User, a JoJo's Bizarre Adventure fangame set during the events of Part 3, Stardust Crusaders. It's chock full of fanservice for the entire series(up to Part 6, anyway, with a little bit of Part 7 references thrown in there). The premise is you, the player, are the titular 7th Stand User, and you mysteriously get your Stand(decided via a personality test, ala Pokemon Mystery Dungeon) and fate directs you into joining the Joestars on their quest to defeat DIO. I won't spoil any MAJOR pieces of fanservice, but some of your actions can alter the events of the story as well, an amazing example being that if you're close enough friends with Joseph, he ends up fighting Alessi, and you get to temporarily fight him with Young Joseph.

[@skythealmighty2826]

THIS IS TRUE. i never finished but it's very fun. i love many of the easter eggs

[@alcole-holic8779]

This video alone earned my subscription, I have to give massive props. I could hardly type this comment because this video was so engaging

[@Woefool_]

Glad to hear you liked it and the support is extremely appreciated! Love seeing everyone's thoughts :)

[@nainkylelian194]

I just want to point out is that it's not *ALMOST,* everything in the game is a reference in one way or another.

[@sheepcommander_]

Yes!

[@Haru-nc3bx]

After already finishing the video, I went to look at the channel it was posted by, being completely shocked by seeing a channel with less than 500 subscribers! This is a surprisingly good video with a great script! Keep it up dude.

[@acdbrn2000]

I found it really enjoyable when you said “avoiding aiming just kinda doesn’t work for most characters”. It might be because I started playing really early on when there was strafing but no real aiming that I still play without using the aiming controls on any character. Although I have cleared all stages with every character, my favorites tend to be the ones with ranged single direction attacks.

[@Hunterofyeets]

One of my favorite Fangames (Or inspired game) is Voices of the Void. It takes the idea of Signal Simulator (Which was inspired by SETI) and made it better in almost every way. Better management mechanics, more alien interactions, custom videos, models, and music that can all be played in-game. It has easily become not only my favorite fangame, but my favorite horror game of all time.

[@Woefool_]

I looked up some gameplay after seeing this and honestly I just love the aesthetic enough that I might just download it and go in blind. Love to see these super well crafted titles that are free and made just cuz the creators are inspired.

[@purrfekt]

Kaela putting pressure on devs for new content XD

[@Dingus_Khaan]

HoloFans and Cover Corp.: "Please just take our money!" Chad-Yu: "No."

[@anewfuture]

Vampire Survivors stages feel nicer to play than Holocure, but Holocure has a lot more flavor. I still play both games semi regularly, though. I have a similar amount of playtime in both.

[@egxtra]

Solid video. Prior to Holocure, I was more familiar with this sub-genre through games like Robotron (the ancient one, not whatever was on the PS3, though I did play that one, too), but yeah, you nailed it. Also, please let your artist friend know that their thumbnail art was amazing and cute. Take care.

[@Woefool_]

I’ll be sure to let them know!!

[@ezla1663]

Pokemon especially has a huge fangame communoty, some following the formula with a small twist, increased difficulty, or taking the mechanics and using them to tell a story.

[@redkommie80]

Great video, and love how you set up your points.

[@CloudColumncat]

Simply put, fan games are motivated by the desire to include characters that the fandom will like. And in general, those characters have good characterization.

[@punpundit5590]

Great video, thanks for making it!

[@x149te]

I can't tell my favorite fan game clearly. In HoloCure I spent more hours (around 200?), since I'm playing from day 1 (update 0.3) to this days. I like fighting games, so my favorite might be Idol Showdown, but I also like HoloVersus, because it's more like Smash Bros (tho it's in alpha-beta yet). I like passion to Flare Nui Nui Quest, but platforming in Nameless so enjoyable (tho game mostly storywise, and not much puzzles). One of the first fan games I've played was SCWU (Super Copslay War Ultra). Fighting game about cosplayers of favorite anime and other TV shows. After that I didn't played much fan games if played ever. Until I opened for myself Hololive and Holo fan games/animations/songs.

[@lokao9712]

to be honest from seeing gameplay of holocure save the fans now im honestly more reminded of 20 minutes till dawn - also very fun game, has a lovecraftian theme to it thats pretty unique too. same 20 minute run thing, and the unique upgrades per character are also very pronounced, with the added benefit of being able to mix match character and starting weapon, its pretty neat give it a check! also you earned a new subscriber - this video showed up in my recommendations a few times and i didnt really touch it but wow its pretty good!very nice.

[@laughingfurry]

As far as fan games go, I would say my favorites tend to be Touhou Project X Castlevania fan games. Not everyones cup of tea, but they hit a special spot for me, as a fan of both. As for these Hololive fan games, I'm going to need a new PC, first. The whole thing with the resurgence of fan games do take me back to some of my favorite times. Even before Touhou Project, just playing the craziest stuff my friends can get on their computers as well as during the peak of Flash games. Good thing the major elements of those days are still around, such as the creativity of so many.

[@Woefool_]

You just reminded me of back when my PC was garbage so I’d watch Touhouvania playthroughs on KZbin! Honestly, still some of my fav fan designs for a lot of those characters.

[@dahmanmc]

Subbed, *probably beeg smoll ame blessing* Make more stuff bro!

[@user-gh1gi7hy9u]

Finally, someone mentioned Magic Survival! I played the game on release and still play it to this day! Too bad not much people actually know about it...

[@Valome_Virtual_Gravedigger]

I can't open the damn app for sum reason

[@Flugmorph]

really good video!

[@nintenx1235]

I mean there's also the free hololive fighting game "Idol Showdown" that has enough single player content to be a a $10-$20 game while being very simple to get into for someone unfamiliar with fighting games but also having a good amount of competitive depth for those that want that. As someone who doesn't follow and isn't super into vtubers it has become a staple on my steam deck.

[@Woefool_]

I wish I were more into fighting games admittedly cuz Idol Showdown is nuts in how mechanically indepth it is and the fact that they even have rollback??? All for a free game is actually something else.

[@zildjian2381]

Dude, I felt insane near the end when i recognized the my house gameplay

[@Orion582]

an indie gamethat is very underrated is cassete beasts, it's a monster taming rpg (like pokémon) but it fixes issues you see in pokémon, bosses are challenging, you have difficulty option and you need to think you can't spam A the whole time, the story is also more interesting and the gym leader equivalent don't specialize in a type but in a gimmick so adding coverage to one mon won't allow you to destroy the boss and you have to think, there's also a second type of bosses that uses sprites very different from the one used in the game and each unique to each other, one might look like a JRPG final boss and the other like a stop motion animation making you wonder what's the next one is going to look like (the ost is fire too) truly an underrated gem and one if not the best game of it's genre in the market

[@Woefool_]

I think one of my friends talked about this game to me a while back and yeah from what I heard it’s CRAZY polished and quality. Honestly you mentioning it’s challenging by itself is enough for me to consider looking into it lol

[@trotskyboi8830]

You only have barely above 600 subs???? Criminal! Also Holocure (and other fangames like Idol Showdown) are honestly some of the best part of being Hololive fans. For me, they check the same boxes as the best Pokémon fangames: gives you what you love, made with love and creativity.

[@LoganLatios]

this video is making me question if "kay yu" is pronounced "kai yu" like 'caillou' or "kei yu" like 'K you'.

[@TheJjcczz]

This is the only time I’ve ever heard someone call him caillou, everyone pronounces it K You and he hasn’t said otherwise so that would be the correct pronunciation not caillou

[@henriquemontalvao8492]

I hope this channel blows up. Luv me video essays. Simple as.

[@Ilvocare]

Regarding the ending question: I highly recommend the Distorted Travesty trilogy, particularly 3. There's also a bunch of I Wanna fangames that are doing some wild stuff, too. All free.

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

I went into this expecting Undertale Yellow but instead I found out about a new game I've never heard of before. Passionate fans will go above and beyond to make truly wonderful games that everyone can enjoy.

[@Brainwave101]

Feel it's worth mentioning that Gotham Knights isn't actually a live service game, it can be played entirely offline.

[@rancidiot]

Definerelt these holo live fan games are passion project

[@ayouxy]

Have you ever spoken about Hyper Dragonball? The game was so unique and tight I kept forgetting it's a Mugen fan game. It had charming character models, voice actors to mimick the show, several references in intros, outros and move lists, sick and satisfying combos (even if you're bad at fighting games) level one, 2 and 3 special moves that you access through a transformation and a cinematic level 3 that, when it defeats the opponent, gives you a specific win screen

[@voidheart7425]

The true peak of bullet hell and bullet heaven fusion is picayune dreams. I definitely recommend you give the game a look

[@nothinghere5080]

man i really thought you gonna talk about ultrakill from the giant plushie in the thumbnail lmao, great video though

[@Dylan_the_Piplup]

snoot game might be the biggest example of this happening I can think of. In case you don't know it's a fan game based on Goodbye Volcano High. Not only was snoot game released before its source material it is also considered to be better than it by most of the community.

[@rion7720]

Two path of liking a vampire survivor-like Holocure - *Daisenka*

[@tamirsins]

Man this just reminds me of the times, it started with me playing magic survival during school breaks then addicting a friend of mine to it, eventually vampire survivors came out and I was like damn that's crazy but then holocure hit, I didn't watch a single vtuber back then but I didn't care, I loved playing it, I beat the 2 stages available at the time then forgot about it, now remember the friend from earlier? he found it again a few updates later as he was a hololive fan, and eventually it quickly evolved into these 3-6 idiots that know each other irl just sitting in vc playing a silly vtuber game with streams on also right before this we were in our the binding of isaac phase again which if I had to say, is exactly what vampire survivors devolves to, the fun and enjoyment of simply breaking the game and watch as it plays for you is done right in tboi due to it's extreme multitude of gamebreaks to even game crashes, which allow you to dr.manhattan your way through several bosses (though you can still die if you don't watch out, looking at you lost mains) , while in vampire survivors you just stay still and watch as everything just walks towards you and gets evaporated, over and over, almost always cycling between the same builds, the main difference being that in isaac you don't always get gamebreaks so sometimes you just have to say fuck it we ball and pray you don't get telefragged by delirium or something lmao or you just play some of the challenges / greed mode or something idk, mods too

[@taylorrobertson6035]

I’m a simple man see Ame I click

[@Lohpezhoh]

4:17 : "So you never reach the point of standing still" Stage 2 leaderboard players: *sweating vigorously* (implying S2 leaderboard player exist btw🤣) Great video!!

[@Woefool_]

Thank you very much!!!

[@zeriah]

Kay Yu is such an interesting developer. While I believe he could open a Patreon or something similar to take donations without any legal issues with Cover Corp, he actively refuses to take our money at all. The community that loves HoloCure and HoloBreak both want to throw so much money at Kay Yu, and he just won't accept it. He is an absolute legend.

[@AncestralLion]

Kay has mentioned before that it’s pronounced like the letter "K U", and prefers to be called just Kay.

[@alfierowenaw5827]

You need more subs man, Good Work~

[@GeronKizan]

So we must know, who's your oshi?

[@Woefool_]

I admittedly have never been SUPER in touch with Hololive stuff but I keep up through clips and posts online. When Myth came out it was Ina, then Bae and now it's either her or Shiori. All of the girls and guys at Holo are very talented but those are the three I vibe with the most and I feel like those three REALLY tend to innovate a lot and bring new stuff to the table which I really respect.

[@gnixreal]

i feel like playing holocure once again

[@ShadowoftheMask]

Hmm, I don't know if I agree with everything, especially when it comes to tiny details and assuming intentionality or rather lack of it. Also like Golden Eggs seem to be just for "you already did everything else, so here is something to grind you if you want to", I kinda feel like it requiring massive amount of grinding before unlocking quality of life features seems to be a troll/joke thing (hence why I never bothered to grind golden eggs. Whether its good thing or not, I'd honestly bit lean on bad side since I don't think its realyl that funny you need to click buy botton thousands of times after massive grinding (or getting outside software to autoclick I guess) before you unlock "use all your money to buy as many eggs as you can" button) Also like, I 100% agree with that I like indie games that feel like its passion projects where they just do it for fun of itself, but I don't like implying that people who sell indie games essentially "sellout" since not everyone can afford to do do big projects for free(even if they have stable jobs, some jobs are too exhausting to leave time and energy for extra projects on free time) and lot of people who want to make games dream about making what they love as career. I don't think you intended to make that statement, but it did kinda come across like that to me since I feel like people can be rather judgemental of "trend chasers" and ignore that some of them are just people liking the thing they are imitating. (that said, I can still agree with that sentiment about profit & passion, I like watching youtubers who do it for hobby rather than who do it as career because you can tell shift in sponsorships and youtube algorhitmn grind once people do :'D Its very much same thing you were describing)

[@Woefool_]

Firstly wanted to say that I really appreciate how you frame your thoughts and bringing up aspects you may not agree with!! For the first bit about golden eggs, I can see the perspective of it being something of a joke especially with how many other things Poncle include in VS specifically to make jokes or poke fun. I guess my issue stems more from the execution rather than the intent -- Golden Eggs, whether a joke or not, are very clearly important for a LOT of players as a sort of dopamine receptor hit which I don't personally love. Though they clearly are still supporting the game up to this day so with the more patches that they release, my critiques of the endgame will (hopefully) become more and more outdated. As for the second paragraph, I can see how what I talk about can be construed as me dogging a bit on indie games that are trying to turn a profit. That's partly on me for not refining the script more, but I'm also still very new to the whole YT thing so some intent I didn't mean can slip through the cracks. I actually don't have a problem with indie game creators or any artists trying to monetize their craft -- if anything, it's a good thing that people are supported! My gripe largely stems from very blatant examples of trying to hop onto a trend and "cash in" if you will, whether it be through actual monetary gain or the popularity of a certain topic. It's why I used things like Survivor.io and a somewhat notorious trend of horror mods found within the Friday Night Funkin community a few years back. Obviously this is my own assumptions and biases, but in the case of these two examples (particularly Survivor.io which I feel is VERY shameless in ripping off VS while including a bunch of predatory microtransactions and mobile game practices) they do tend to leave kind of a weird taste for me since I don't love the implication that these practices have on the greater community/industry. It's kind of like how back in the day, one game studio did the "online pass" trend to stop people from buying used games and then everyone did it, or like how when Overwatch made a boatload of money with lootboxes, everyone jumped on the bandwagon. I'm really passionate about indie games in particular and when trends oversaturate the market, I find that a lot of the passion projects and aspiring artists ironically end up being buried BECAUSE they refuse to go along with what has been proven to work. If that wasn't conveyed properly in my video, then that's ultimately on me though! And I hope that I was able to elucidate a bit more and sort of explain why I kinda play hardball with some things which to me feel a bit.... Iffy, to say the least. I think integrity matters a lot in all facets of art, so when it all just becomes profit driven or popularity driven is when I get a really big chip on my shoulder. Sorry if I'm a bit wordy I've been having to write scripts for the past few days so it's hard to turn off writer-mode lmao, but like I said earlier I really appreciate the input :).

[@ShadowoftheMask]

@@Woefool_ Ya, no problem, glad it was helpful :'D I often feel silly for trying to give constructive feedback in youtube comment section and often wonder if it comes across as overly negative or such x'D

[@Woefool_]

Nah no need to worry as long as people are being constructive I’m willing to talk :) and I didn’t think you were being negative or anything, just genuinely critiquing as needed.

[@doctor_b2802]

I really really wish this had a mobile port.

[@Biomelast]

Great video and good luck.

[@slowpokeofdoom]

before i watched this video i though, i wonder if this video will talk about vampire survivors, then i reached 44 seconds in

[@paulsd9255]

8:27 HoloFunk jumpscare

[@macdee010]

Fangames is outlawed word for Nintendo

[@pa1nkil3er]

I've played Holocure before Vampire Survivors. When I bought the original game and tried it - was disappointed to see absence of both free aim and strafing... So, even if it's a clone of VS, it has a few gimmicks that are basically improved version from VS, which is honestly, amazing👌👌👌 Hopefully, there will be new update to Holocure, even if developer released a new game....

[@ninthpayloader0465]

You’re telling me this shit was a Fan Game and not an Official Product?

[@Woefool_]

The power of a dedicated fan/fanbase is something to behold!

[@Yuki_Ika7]

Common Hololive W, i love it!

[@WhimsicalWisp44]

I am glad we agree Holocure is better than vampire survivors

[@DonVetto-vx9dd]

Vampire Survivor is fancier and flashier,but it is NOT superior to Magic Survival. Magic Survival has better implementation of the survivor elements, and the magic combinations are amazing.

[@internetlurker1850]

HOW DO YOU ONLY HAVE 415 SUBSCRIBERS YOU MAKE VIDEOS THAT FEEL LIKE THEY WERE MADE BY PEOPLE WITH LIKE 100K-400K

[@JoshSweetvale]

0:20 Destiny is a ripoff of Warframe.

[@Maldito_Murilito]

i never played any vampire survivor nor do i watch v tubers but this video is highly interesting to me

[@qwertyuiopqwertyuiop2873]

Great video

[@chiperpol]

FIrst I tought this was going to be cringe Holofansposting, but the same seems lots of fun, gonna give it a try, thanks :]

[@iamLI3]

don't show celest crushing the goats........

[@Woefool_]

Think of it more like Celeste is propped up off the back of the GOATs :) cuz there ain’t no replacing or surpassing any of those games if you ask me.

[@Arkar-pl9ku]

@@Woefool_whilst I understand that is the intention, from a visual standpoint having celest just drop in and squish the others does kinda imply a “crushing” vibe.

[@Rekora_Wulf]

This is the best rogue like ever made. Bullet heaven roguelike anyway. It's only thing that holds it back is the content updates. If it had that, nothing would compare.

[@Woefool_]

Yeah I’m in the same boat but considering how busy the dev seems to be while still making so much good shit I’d so much rather he wait and cook than rush out content

[@Rekora_Wulf]

@Woefool_ what? Is he making new games? I didn't know that. The only 2 I saw on Steam were holo cure, and that beat em up. My life just got less bright since I 100 percented the game.

[@Woefool_]

@@Rekora_Wulf no new games have been announced, but Kay Yu’s main source of revenue is as an artist and animator for some fairly popular shows/anime so I am guessing that can sometimes make it hard to consistently put out content for the two he has out now :o

[@Rekora_Wulf]

@Woefool_ That's cool to know. Thanks for the information! I hope he still makes more content for it, though, lol.

[@laurencefraser]

@@Rekora_Wulf Last I heard it was still planned and in progress, but you should expect a schedule of something like six months to a year between updates (or, something like that). Also something about probably never having all the hololive productions members, simply because they'll probably never catch up with the debuts of new talents.

[@sanguinedeserter561]

Great vid

[@DonVetto-vx9dd]

Vampire Survivor is fancier amd flashier,but it is NOT superior to Magic Survival. Magic Survival has better implementation of the survivor elements, and the magic combinations are amazing.

[@AgniButWithChronicBackPain]

I can't go back to VS purely because I can't aim my attacks.

[@Star11954]

Would love to see you review Holo x Break!

[@jaydenly8153]

You play this game because you either you love Vtubers, it’s a free game that is fun and addicting at times, or maybe it’s your first step into the world of Vtubers, maybe a combination of the 3.

[@diegoflores8431]

44th subscriber yea boi

[@neonboyo]

im so stupid thinking this was a list of games, i should read better next time

[@Charizardslash]

holofunk mentioned

[@noxfall1051]

Get this man to play pikayune dreams

[@m1tl4y0tl]

Me when fauna:

[@elderjose9662]

not in a milion years celest is better than super metroid

[@liquidscreamisnomore]

every pokemon fangame:

[@angryflamingos3314]

Oh shit I love magic survival

[@yourdemiseishere]

Wish it'd be moddable eventually.

[@Artista_Frustrado]

so, officially due to Hololive fanwork's guidelines they can't offer official Mod Support... however there are some mods there's a Co-op mod in the works, a few cosmetic mods, & there's a mod that adds Pipkin Pippa as a completely new character

[@Ultrox007]

I mean, I'm not a slot machine guy, so I hated Vampire Survivors. (not that anyone cares, just felt the need to leave a comment to help someone who actually goes into depth on games)