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[@Deutsch-mit-David]

I'm Russian (and German) native. Allow me one little tip please. I see lots of foreigners going for more vocabs etc., while still making 10 mistakes in each and every sentence. In Russian it's WAY more important to correctly use the simple and commonly used words with PROPER conjugations and declinations than just going for "more vocabs" 💪. To my (and other native's) ears it just sounds very silly and childish when non-natives speak _fluently_, but with horrible declinations and conjugations and with wrong prepositions etc. There's just no justifiable need to learn 10000 vocabs, 90% of which you'll never use - if you don't learn proper declinations and conjugations FIRST. Russian has 6 cases. German has 4 cases. English has 3 cases. So in reality - learning English as a Russian speaker means you need to "step down", and learn a more simplistic way to express things. Russian is very intricate, we change endings of each word left and right - if you just misuse one of them, the whole sentence sounds OFF. So, before trying to learn tons of vocabs, learners should put more focus on declinations etc. Let me give you an example. [Case] - [english] - [russian] *Accusative* - I feed the dog. - Я кормлю собакУ. *Instrumental* - I play with the dog. - Я играю с собакОЙ. *Dative* - I go to the dog. - Я иду к собакЕ. *Nominative* - The dog loves me. - СобакА любит меня. *Genitive* - The dog's neck is white. - Шея собакИ белая. In English it's dog-dog-dog-dog-dog. In Russian it's собакУ, собакОЙ, -Е, -А, -И etc. So what literally ALL foreigners do is they don't alter the endings or mis-decline them, e.g.: - Я кормлю собакА. - Я играю с собакА. - Я иду к собакА. - СобакА любит меня. - Шея собакА белая. This sound so horrible to a Russian native's ear :) And that's only SINGULAR. So the point I'm making is this - going for more vocabs BEFORE learning all these will not do you any favour. Don't waste your time learning new vocabs if you still can't use the declinations / conjugations correctly, it will just sound silly to natives, even if you know lots of vocabs.

[@natst3383]

люди вивчають нову для себе мову, а вам "тяжко" це слухати? типовий російський шовінізм

[@FrozenMermaid666]

I would highly recommend learning the prettiest languages ever created Norse / Gothic / Icelandic / Faroese / English / Dutch / Norwegian / Danish / Welsh / Breton / Cornish 2gether as they are way too pretty not to know, instead of Russian which has mostly non-pretty words, and, if one also wants to learn a Slavic language, I would recommend learning the pretty Slavic languages Slovene and Latvian which have mostly pretty words! Re learning methods, I recommend using the spaced repetition method and watching as many vocab videos as one can find at least thirty times over a period of two or three years and many videos on grammar etc multiple times on different days, and also memorizing many lyrics and analyzing / translating each new word that one doesn’t know yet, and always watching every video or movie with subtitles in the target languages, and typing a lot of sentences and words in the target languages to develop a muscle memory, and also, learning all the prettiest languages at the same time as it saves many years and is the most fun way to learn languages! I recommend learning at least thirty thousand base words in the prettiest languages ever created and at least ten thousand to fifteen thousand base words in the other pretty languages!

[@FrozenMermaid666]

Some fun sentences / words in the heavenly languages Norse / Gothic / Icelandic / Dutch are... Ek heiti Freyja ok ek em at læra Norrænu því ek elski (elska) hana! (Norse) Hann ǫrninn vissi ekki hvaðan kemr Sólin... (Norse) Ek veit alt er þú veizt ekki! (Norse) Ég hef talað Ensku síðan þegar ég vas (var) tveggja eða triggja ára! En ég get líka talað Hollensku og Norsku og Spænsku og FornNorrænu! Ég get talað Íslensku reiprennandi og ég em (er) ekki með neina hreim! Ef ég gæti lært annað mál, hvað væri það? Það væri auðvitað Danska! Ég em (er) að hugsa að það er mikilvægt að læra að minnsta kosti eitt erlent tungumál, eða flest fallegu tungumálin! Svo ég valdi Íslensku og ég héld áfram að læra hana... Ég læri það í samhengi... (Icelandic) Hvíslaðu að svaninum! En ertu frá hinum hlutanum? Þegar ég segi Ísland, hvað er það fyrsta sem dettur þér í (hug) hugi? Als ik Ijsland zeg, wat is het eerste wat naar boven komt bij jou? (Dutch) Some of the prettiest words in Gothic are namo, þein, hunds, þatist, ik, weis, eis, qen, driusaima, wairþan, ains, sinteina, nist, imma, twais, eisarn, swikn, uhteigo, brunna, faíraþro etc! (The words in these heavenly languages are just so pretty and so poetic and so cool, they are true works of art, so I definitely wish I had learnt them in childhood, and I highly recommend learning them all together, as they are way too pretty not to know and so magical, as pretty as Danish and English and Norwegian and Faroese and Welsh and Breton and Cornish and Forn Svenska!)

[@Kal_student_of_German]

I'm doing most common 100 verbs, then with example sentences after doing every tense/mood for each. Concurrently, with that, I am doing A1-C2 grammar featuring those verbs.

[@andreahoehmann1939]

I lived in Kazakhstan for three years and taught German. Since I was often listening to Russian, I was speaking it fluently after 12 months - without any learning! I was also often listening to Kazakh, but I had to study hard. This language is a tougher nut to crack because it is not related to European languages. None of the claims about learning European languages ​​are valid in the rest of the language world.

[@brebrown5338]

I’m learning 5,000 but how do I even find a 10,000 list for Spanish?

[@darkhell7639]

there are books of it😁 I have one for German and Russian

[@brebrown5338]

@@darkhell7639 I’ll have to look for one then.

[@Tovarris]

This guy has a community post with a link to a google spreadsheet of 10,006 words and example sentences for each one all in Spanish. In addition, he has a 10-hour video which includes the audio for all the words and example sentences.

[@brebrown5338]

@@Tovarris oh my gosh!! Thank you! Where do I find it? I didn’t see it in the description.

[@Tovarris]

@@brebrown5338 I don't think I can post a link in a youtube comment, but if you go to this guy's channel and head to the community tab, there is a post from 2 days ago that starts with "Who wants to do a language challenge this Summer?" In this post there is a link to both the video and word list. A few of the words do repeat, but I would say there are at least 8000-9000 unique words.

[@-nf9vt]

I recommend Immersive translate. It helps in learning and revision of foreign languages

[@NaturalLanguageLearning]

what do you mean by that?

[@-nf9vt]

I mean that the app can help anyone struggling with foreign language study. It's has been of help to me

[@FrozenMermaid666]

I would highly recommend learning the prettiest languages ever created Norse / Gothic / Icelandic / Faroese / English / Dutch / Norwegian / Danish / Welsh / Breton / Cornish 2gether as they are way too pretty not to know, instead of Russian which has mostly non-pretty words, and, if one also wants to learn a Slavic language, I would recommend learning the pretty Slavic languages Slovene and Latvian which have mostly pretty words! Re learning methods, I recommend using the spaced repetition method and watching as many vocab videos as one can find at least thirty times over a period of two or three years and many videos on grammar etc multiple times on different days, and also memorizing many lyrics and analyzing / translating each new word that one doesn’t know yet, and always watching every video or movie with subtitles in the target languages, and typing a lot of sentences and words in the target languages to develop a muscle memory, and also, learning all the prettiest languages at the same time as it saves many years and is the most fun way to learn languages! I recommend learning at least thirty thousand base words in the prettiest languages ever created and at least ten thousand to fifteen thousand base words in the other pretty languages!

[@FrozenMermaid666]

Some fun sentences / words in the heavenly languages Norse / Gothic / Icelandic / Dutch are... Ek heiti Freyja ok ek em at læra Norrænu því ek elski (elska) hana! (Norse) Hann ǫrninn vissi ekki hvaðan kemr Sólin... (Norse) Ek veit alt er þú veizt ekki! (Norse) Ég hef talað Ensku síðan þegar ég vas (var) tveggja eða triggja ára! En ég get líka talað Hollensku og Norsku og Spænsku og FornNorrænu! Ég get talað Íslensku reiprennandi og ég em (er) ekki með neina hreim! Ef ég gæti lært annað mál, hvað væri það? Það væri auðvitað Danska! Ég em (er) að hugsa að það er mikilvægt að læra að minnsta kosti eitt erlent tungumál, eða flest fallegu tungumálin! Svo ég valdi Íslensku og ég héld áfram að læra hana... Ég læri það í samhengi... (Icelandic) Hvíslaðu að svaninum! En ertu frá hinum hlutanum? Þegar ég segi Ísland, hvað er það fyrsta sem dettur þér í (hug) hugi? Als ik Ijsland zeg, wat is het eerste wat naar boven komt bij jou? (Dutch) Some of the prettiest words in Gothic are namo, þein, hunds, þatist, ik, weis, eis, qen, driusaima, wairþan, ains, sinteina, nist, imma, twais, eisarn, swikn, uhteigo, brunna, faíraþro etc! (The words in these heavenly languages are just so pretty and so poetic and so cool, they are true works of art, so I definitely wish I had learnt them in childhood, and I highly recommend learning them all together, as they are way too pretty not to know and so magical, as pretty as Danish and English and Norwegian and Faroese and Welsh and Breton and Cornish and Forn Svenska!)

[@timothymurray1236]

where would i find a such a list for Spanish for example?

[@NaturalLanguageLearning]

The Learn Spanish playlist of this channel.

[@timothymurray1236]

@NaturalLanguageLearning I don't know if this is a silly question or not but does it matter srs program it is. Ive heard of a few but I believe lingq has an srs too but you can also read and listen at the same time.

[@yaeriin]

spanishdict website

[@Tovarris]

@@timothymurray1236 linqs srs is not really the best. If you want to use linq, use it for the reading but I would use something else like anki for srs.

[@NaturalLanguageLearning]

@@timothymurray1236 you can download the spreadsheet directly into Anki flashcards

[@ganpik]

With 5,000 words (word families, actually) you can understand conversation. With 8,000 - written text. Even if I start memorizing 5,000 Russian words in a relatively short time - which I highly doubt because I only have background with Western European languages, and because it's difficult to memorize words that don't have cognates or similarly sounding words in languages you already know, and because the sounds in Russian have a structure I'm not used to, with softened/palatalized consonants etc. - there's no way I would actually survive a conversation with a native speaker. They will speak fast, use numbers and cases that take so much time to learn in such a language (there's no meaning for the sentence "I went over the grammar and I know it now), and they will use non-frequent words. Every list of most common words relies on a specific corpus. Often, news, where the words claim, reported, president and Middle East are extremely important. To eat and a teacher are rarely needed in news. Another corpus could be subtitles of movies and series, but then kill, crime, sex, and swear words would be more common than in everyday life. Yes, memorizing vocab is key, but in the first stages at least, and for languages that are farther away from English, it takes time.

[@FrozenMermaid666]

It’s actually easier to memorize more distinctive words, but only if they are pretty words, as one naturally learns the prettier and more distinctive words faster, but Russian has mostly non-pretty words that are naturally not easy to memorize and require way more repetitions than pretty words, so I don’t understand why would one try learning Russian or most other languages that exist, when there are such heavenly languages as Norse and Gothic and Icelandic etc that have amazingly gorgeous words and that are the most fun to learn! So, choosing wisely (that is, only choosing the pretty and easy languages) is key to being a successful polyglot, and one should always try to get to the pretty languages that are usually less known! I would highly recommend learning the prettiest languages ever created Norse / Gothic / Icelandic / Faroese / English / Dutch / Norwegian / Danish / Welsh / Breton / Cornish 2gether as they are way too pretty not to know, instead of Russian which has mostly non-pretty words, and, if one also wants to learn a Slavic language, I would recommend learning the pretty Slavic languages Slovene and Latvian which have mostly pretty words! Re learning methods, I recommend using the spaced repetition method and watching as many vocab videos as one can find at least thirty times over a period of two or three years and many videos on grammar etc multiple times on different days, and also memorizing many lyrics and analyzing / translating each new word that one doesn’t know yet, and always watching every video or movie with subtitles in the target languages, and typing a lot of sentences and words in the target languages to develop a muscle memory, and also, learning all the prettiest languages at the same time as it saves many years and is the most fun way to learn languages! I recommend learning at least thirty thousand base words in the prettiest languages ever created and at least ten thousand to fifteen thousand base words in the other pretty languages!

[@FrozenMermaid666]

Some fun sentences / words in the heavenly languages Norse / Gothic / Icelandic / Dutch are... Ek heiti Freyja ok ek em at læra Norrænu því ek elski (elska) hana! (Norse) Hann ǫrninn vissi ekki hvaðan kemr Sólin... (Norse) Ek veit alt er þú veizt ekki! (Norse) Ég hef talað Ensku síðan þegar ég vas (var) tveggja eða triggja ára! En ég get líka talað Hollensku og Norsku og Spænsku og FornNorrænu! Ég get talað Íslensku reiprennandi og ég em (er) ekki með neina hreim! Ef ég gæti lært annað mál, hvað væri það? Það væri auðvitað Danska! Ég em (er) að hugsa að það er mikilvægt að læra að minnsta kosti eitt erlent tungumál, eða flest fallegu tungumálin! Svo ég valdi Íslensku og ég héld áfram að læra hana... Ég læri það í samhengi... (Icelandic) Hvíslaðu að svaninum! En ertu frá hinum hlutanum? Þegar ég segi Ísland, hvað er það fyrsta sem dettur þér í (hug) hugi? Als ik Ijsland zeg, wat is het eerste wat naar boven komt bij jou? (Dutch) Some of the prettiest words in Gothic are namo, þein, hunds, þatist, ik, weis, eis, qen, driusaima, wairþan, ains, sinteina, nist, imma, twais, eisarn, swikn, uhteigo, brunna, faíraþro etc! (The words in these heavenly languages are just so pretty and so poetic and so cool, they are true works of art, so I definitely wish I had learnt them in childhood, and I highly recommend learning them all together, as they are way too pretty not to know and so magical, as pretty as Danish and English and Norwegian and Faroese and Welsh and Breton and Cornish and Forn Svenska!)

[@Kal_student_of_German]

Did you say most common 10 verbs?

[@NaturalLanguageLearning]

Yes, I use 10 most common verbs lists, then 100, then 2000. Because of the 80/20 rule. 10 most common verbs will appear all the time. So: 10 most common verbs in 100 example sentences each using ALL grammar. 100 most common verbs with 10-20 examples each using ALL grammar. 2000 most common verbs with 1 example sentence each. Maybe we could expand those lists even more.

[@Kal_student_of_German]

@@NaturalLanguageLearning Do you mean only 100 sentences for the top 10 verbs?

[@NaturalLanguageLearning]

@@Kal_student_of_German 100 sentences each.