The Fate of California's Great America's Coasters After Closing - Fantasy vs Reality

[@lohphat]

Having this happen in the region where Arrow Dynamics was born seems a sad epilogue. Their second location where several iconic Disneyland rides were designed has already been overbuilt. Let's hope the original location in Mt. View can remain as a historical landmark.

[@briansanchez5758]

I live right up the street from the old building.

[@briansanchez5758]

Moffet Blvd.

[@lohphat]

@Arrow Dynamics Inc. Having worked at Disneyland in the 80s/90s then moving up to the Bay Area to work in Mt. View in 1994 for a famous startup AND use the ISP next door to the 2nd location across 101 keeps things “in the family” despite me leaving CA for NY 6 years ago.

[@briansanchez5758]

Its funny because I work off of the Nasa Base and have to walk to Mountain View on the weekend if I want to go to Great America and I walk by it every single time. I always try to ride Demon when I am there.

[@chesterogilvie1393]

Straight up

[@MagnusTheGreat]

I work for CGA and I can tell you a few things. There's definitely going to be ride moves but the parks lease can be renewed more than 11 years from insider information. ALSO the park may not be torn down, the city of Santa Clara has cherished this park since the beginning and always will, the mayor even worked there when it was Marriott's Great America. Also a park chain like sea world may buy the park from Prologis or Santa Clara if Santa Clara buys it. I believe this because 310 million is not the value of the land, its much much higher. Also the zoning laws of the land can be forced to stay as a theme park zone. The park my lose rides but it may yet be saved.

[@chugalug1889]

I really really hope you are right

[@grobble8954]

Lol..The city has no recourse, Prologis owns the land & CF has been paid. The agreement for the purchase is in CF's 8-k, try reading it. The lease is for 6 yrs at 12.2M/yr with a 2.5% increase per year. There is an option for a 5yr extension. It's not really in CF's interest to keep leasing with the high cost(when they leased from the city it was 7 to 8M/yr), this is way more & gets higher yearly. CGA is not a highly profitable park, has the worst revenue to EBIDTAS in the chain. Prologic can terminate the lease at any time with 2 years notice. The 310M for the land is way more than the park is worth if operated, they tried to selling before for just 70M a decade ago ,they paid150M for the land in 2019. No other chain, ie..SEAS is buying it, it would take forever to get their money back. CF sold the land b/c it would take more than a decade to get that same profit via operations. It was a price too good for CF to turn down. Cedar Fair owns/ have rights to all assets so a purchaser would have to pay Prologic more than 310M for the land, they would want more than they paid. Then, a purchaser would than have to buy the rides, buildings, etc for CF, that would be like 80M or more or they would have to build from scratch, which would be even more costly. CGA is done, it's not being saved

[@MagnusTheGreat]

@@grobble8954 who says they don't. There's moral obligation here

[@grobble8954]

@@MagnusTheGreat Lol..Enthusiast talk at its highest.

[@chesterogilvie1393]

@@MagnusTheGreat a deal like this doesn't come without resistance being calculated for. The real question is what is the land going to be used for when the rides are gone? Cedar Fair is strategically liquidating this assest to remain competitive at other parks. The fact that many of these rides are hitting an operational threshold is reason enough to liquidate for state of the art engineering concepts at premier parks within the chain

[@MrSRArter]

7:01 The inflated price of wood may actually help Gold Striker get a new home because it would cost less to relocate Gold Striker than it would to build a coaster from scratch with new wood, though I agree that the only safe coaster is Lucy's Crabbie Cabbies and the rest of them might be scrapped. Gold Striker could also be bought by either Knoebels or Silverwood.

[@jordane7483]

Great point! I’m sure there will be some kind of market for goldstriker.

[@605coasters]

I wish Silverwood would take it. I love that park. Just imagining Gold Striker and Tremors in the same park... but I highly doubt that will actually happen.

[@travisvanalst4698]

Wood has come down now though.

[@kyletapke2170]

If Patriot gets scrapped I think the trains will go to Carowinds to renovate Vortex also I would be surprised if Flight Deck gets scrapped it’s too good to not go to Valley Fair

[@brucegibson1813]

flight deck does use a decent amount of terrain though so it would be pretty hard to relocate

[@iancarroll2177]

30 years old is pretty old tho

[@dwhitman12341]

I agree. Carowinds will finally get their floorless conversion of Vortex.

[@beachboysswiftie]

I really hope goldstriker, patriot, flight deck, railblazer, and psycho mouse can be saved. But no matter what happens to the coasters, I'm gonna miss CGA so much. I live only 20 minutes or so away from the park and I've been hundreds of times and made so many special memories there throughout my life, I go all the time and have been a season pass holder for 5+ years. It's my home park, I can't believe it's gonna permanently close and once it's gone i can never go back :(

[@GavHern]

This park has been very close to my house growing up. Watching this is like watching my childhood get auctioned off. I'm gonna miss this park. Honestly i want a piece of grizzly. No way they're doing anything with it and, while it didn't get me *into* coasters, it was a big step towards my confidence in them.

[@Spike-sk7ql]

Went through the same feeling when they bought Geauga Lake just to close, and cannibalize it. I'm still mad at cedar fair for that, even though I regularly go to CP, and KI, buy 6 platinum passes every year, with drink and meal plans on both. They still killed my childhood home park.

[@sc55555gty]

yeah to i grew up near here in Santa cruz and my first ever adult coaster i rode was demon.But i haven’t been back in years so to see it go

[@beachboysswiftie]

grizzly was the first rollercoaster I ever rode, so it's super nostalgic for me. I live only about 20 minutes away from cga and have been there hundreds of times throughout my life. I'm so damn sad that I'm gonna lose my home park forever :(

[@FameyFamous]

@@Spike-sk7ql Don't blame Cedar Fair. Six Flags killed the park with poor planning.

[@Spike-sk7ql]

@@FameyFamous I blame them both. I knew when Six Flags bought Geauga Lake that it was gonna end bad. I didn't see them trying to buy out cedar fair though, and taking a counter offer for the park. I just still miss having Geauga Lake 20 minutes away. Now, it's either an hour and a half to CP, or almost 4 hours to KI when we want to go to the park. Also, none of our 4 kids got to experience Geauga Lake, which, funny story, was mine and my wife's first date back in the day.

[@MrNavajoRug]

I feel like you're pretty spot on in regards to most of the coasters biting the dust. If railblazer is able to be relocated though, I don't see it being too farfetched to have it go to a smaller park. I would think KD would be in line to get a bigger coaster soon. But who knows? Home state bias definitely makes me want WoF. And its a slam dunk perfect fit. I'm honestly surprised WoF or SFSTL hasn't already built a raptor clone.

[@dougieman927]

I've heard RMC is making a Stunt Pilot clone for someone. Nothing more than speculation though.

[@marchartley1117]

@@dougieman927 the stunt pilot clone is going to Silverwood

[@princessravendiamond4288]

My home state bias says "please move one of the adult coasters to Valleyfair"

[@aiv4873]

More than anything I'm just sad that CGA is leaving, I live 10 minutes from Discovery Kingdom which is a great park, but I always liked that there's more competition and I quite liked CGA. Hopefully I'll get a couple of more visits in to make it a sweet depature. Gonna miss that Raptor.

[@SupermarketSweep777]

Buyer: Yes I would like buy Grizzly from you. Great America: How much you offering? Buyer: 2 bucks and a nice rock I found in the parking lot. Great America: SOLD!

[@taeraresh2115]

They should take that deal.

[@moon993]

Weirdly enough, I can actually see "Carousel Columbia" remain where it is as a stand-alone attraction if the land becomes a mixed-use development since stand-alone carousels are quite common. If they can't relocate Gold Striker, then I hope they can at least clone GS at another park while salvaging some parts from the one at California's Great America.

[@chrispa9573]

Rumor is it's going to Cedar point.

[@marchingbandtakemebythehan1887]

@@chrispa9573 the carousel is fiberglass, and cedar point has THREE hand carved wooden antique carousels, including one of the two Muller, which is basically THE finest antique carousels. cedar point’s carousel collection for carousel enthusiasts is equivalent to how the coaster enthusiasts see cedar point. The columbia carousel would be like adding a wild mouse to cedar point…

[@ProConClay]

GS has next to 0 airtime. It’s not worth taking anywhere, except maybe because the cost of wood is up.

[@Psyclone500TV]

@@ProConClay Who cares rather GS has airtime or not its a great ride, stop believing in the 0 airtime=bad ride conspiracy

[@ChuckE.CheesesIllinois]

It could also go to Six Flags Great America for parts

[@brucegibson1813]

Operations/line: GOLDSTRIKER: almost always runs two trains (never seen it with only 1) line moves pretty quick, the wait will be like 50 minutes + if you see people outside the entrance though. assigned seating is never really an issue so i recommend asking for the back few rows for best experience. FLIGHT DECK: runs 2 trains roughly 60% of the time, line moves at an ok speed. most of the time you can make a request for a row but if it is crowded then probably not. RAILBLAZER: go through the fast lane line and say that you are a single rider, and you will get on within 0-15 minutes if you are near the station. the regular line is always at least an hour so riding as a single rider is much quicker. back seat is the best and you can usually request a row. PATRIOT: Runs two trains roughly 50% of the time, line is usually pretty small. but the ops are always slow on this ride for whatever reason, DEMON: The line moves pretty slow and roughly runs two trains 30% the time. if there is people somewhat near the entrance at all then line is 1hour + PSHYCO MOUSE: the line moves slower than a snail and i am not kidding, if there is more than 20 people in line then line is 5hrs + GRIZZLY: go ride Goldstriker instead

[@zacg_]

I think Demon would make sense for Gilroy Gardens if they were continuing to partner. If you have a park that isn't interested in putting effort into expanding then this would be the easiest way to give them their first thrill coaster. If it weren't for the tight financial situation Cedar Fair is in I think this would be a great way to plus up their ignored parks. We all know Cedar Point, Carowinds, Kings Island and Canada's Wonderland will get big investments regardless of what was happening with CGA. So why not use this as a cheap way to draw attention to parks that would otherwise continue to be ignored? However, since they're still recovering from COVID I can easily see them using these rides to continue to stack their favored parks while saving on the cost of new installations.

[@KaliforniaLA]

Sunnyvale, Moffett native. Worked at MGA in 1980. All very sad. LA (Sherman Oaks) now for 40 years and at Disneyland twice a month. I remember Arrow from 101 as a kid.

[@markvolpe2305]

I wonder if Gene Staples could save these rides, could you imagine Niagara Fun Park with Flight Deck and/or Patroit? They'll have NY's first B&M coasters and first Floorless coaster. Also, Gene said that he wants to compete with SFDL and with those coasters along with Silver comet, the Anton Shuttle, and the wild mouse that's there, he'll be on the right track.

[@AirtimeThrills]

If anyone is gonna do it, he will

[@GoldChicken824]

do you think that michigans adventure will at least get the drop tower since they are the only cedar fair park without a 200 foot tall ride

[@dljungleskip]

That was fun! If you want to do a part two, I'd love to hear your fire sale thoughts on the flat rides.

[@MapleFaux]

Railblazer to Kings Dominion is music to my ears, hopefully if it does move, it becomes an Anaconda replacement.

[@Reptix24-ie1vo]

Or flight deck as an anaconda replacement. That would be so cool.

[@Alovon]

Agree with Rail Blazer going to Kings Dominion likely. Carrowinds, King's Island, and Cedar Point are more likely to get a Gen2 Raptor or a T-Rex rather than the Gen1 Raptor Rail Blazer is.

[@240devil1]

Am I missing something? No one mentions Gemini at CP. Its 126fttall racing woodie lol.

[@travisvanalst4698]

Man it would be fantastic to get Railblazer at Michigans Adventure. It’s such a clean, beautiful park with great staff and profit margins….and to be able to get this without having to sink any overhead cash into it…you wouldn’t need any other rollercoaster. You’d have a fantastic well rounded dry park with and equally great water park. Manageable lines, great food options. Come on CF give my home park a chance!

[@RandyLRhoades]

I honestly think Michigans Adventure can turn it’s bad rep around with Railblazer.

[@gothrockfairy]

I really think Railblazer should go to Knotts. Put it in the ghost town section and it’s so compact it could work perfectly

[@mrbusinessman9688]

Now theirs only one Great America, and that's all the way in Illinois

[@808CoasterLife]

Goldstriker’s layout looks so good! If they aren’t able to relocate it, I’d love to see a park build a clone of Goldstriker.

[@jaredstivers]

Could ValleyFair get Flight deck, and Patriot to Worlds of Fun as the Rumored looping coaster, would need a Rethemeing though. If they can save Gold Striker then it probably going to Carowinds, Railblazer to King's Dominion Michigan Adventure would get Woodstock express and the Craby coaster to Canada Wonderland.

[@TheCoasterFoodie]

I hope gold striker gets moved, it’s truly amazing

[@retrochristmas7329]

I have some info for you guys. So I know a group of people looking to open a park in between akron and Cleveland as a geauga lake replacement. I told the head about great America closing at that they should go after gold striker, demon, or psycho mouse as judging by geauga lake those were the kinds of rides left behind when they closed. They called up gci to get a quote on moving gold striker since they were the ones who built it. They said "Cedar fair has no interest in parting with gold striker but would be interested in parting with the other wooden coaster on the property" so idk what this means but that sounds like they have a plan to move it. Take it with a grain of salt but it sounds possible that it will be moved. Just the fact that gci has been talking to cedar fair ar all means they are planning somthing. Keep in mind the very high price of lumber makes moving a wooden coaster more economical than building a new one.

[@AirtimeThrills]

I wonder why GCI would have info on Grizzly though, unless they would be the ones to move that also

[@retrochristmas7329]

@@AirtimeThrills I am guessing my guy called gci, gci contacted cedar fair, and cedar fair probably told him they would split with grizley trying to sell it. Because most likely it will be meeting the same fate as Vilan at geauga lake, also having buyers for certain rides will for sure help the sale of the lad go smoother. I mean let's look at geauga lake. Nobody wanted to develop the property because of the massive amount of buildings and rides left on the property, same deal with jazz land they can't do anything with it because the price of removing all the rides and coasters makes it economical, same with Chippewa lake they tried to build a resort on the property then found out half way through it was too much money and work to remove the rements of the old park.

[@retrochristmas7329]

@@AirtimeThrills Oke doke I got a answer for you. My people called gci to inquire about goldstriker but also asked them for a quote on moving demon and psycho mouse. Gci said they didn't deal with moving steel coasters but said that they had another wood coaster on the property and if they wanted to ask about it. I guess my guy was interested in it but did research on it and figured the ride was too outdated to invest the time to move. But gci did ask about demon and psycho mouse to see if they were selling it and it was a no on both of them also. So honestly I have no idea why grizzley is the only ride on the property cedar fair is looking to part with.

[@NorCalCoasterMedia]

@@retrochristmas7329 Demon makes sense since CF prob wants to use parts from the trains for other Arrows in the chain

[@cube9862]

Carowinds does seem like a good fit for Gold Striker. Though with how much of a pain it would be to move, and all the free land Carowinds seems to have now (or will have with some rides at the end of their lifespan.) I think Carowinds will eventually build their own woodie.

[@dustinjackson1201]

It’s like you read my mind (in the harsh reality) The flats are of particular interest to me. I would LOVE for my home park of Kings Island to receive Delta Flyer/Eagle’s Flight and for it to be placed in the same path as their original Skyride. Any chance of a flats relocation video?

[@itscooldude167]

Yes,I would also LOVE sfgam to have their bayern curve and orbit rides as well.... if Gene Staples won't purchase them

[@damianhendriks6162]

7:19 Grizzly... forget it. This thing is toast. Grizzly won't be escaping like Oliver from Thomas and Friends.

[@AirtimeProductions]

I feel like this just gives me more reasons to come back to California! If Valleyfair got flight deck I’ll definitely have to make the trip out to Minnesota because I’ve always had my eye on Valleyfair, it’s not too far away from me

[@william_coasters]

"Sell it (Grizzly) for a sack of corn if you need to" -Airtime Thrills, 2022

[@samuelbrewster97]

I’m hoping grizzly gets moved but with the RMC treatment! I was on it yesterday and all I could think was, “this thing REALLY needs that RMC treatment.” It should be given to a park that doesn’t have a woodie or a park with a good woodie but needs an RMC hybrid.

[@keithstransitexperiences9749]

If Knott's took out Coast Rider/Mystery Lodge, the station could work, let alone Knott's not getting the giga coaster and hearing someone's thought that Coast Rider should get replaced.

[@RandyLRhoades]

I think scrapping Goldstriker would be a huge mistake, it’s a GCI that’s just over ten years old currently, it wouldn’t make sense to tear it down and scrap it entirely, Grizzly can be scrapped, that I can see and wouldn’t be mad about. Flight Deck may be an older B&M but it still runs like a dream and the right park can really use it.

[@visionist7]

The carousel should definitely be saved. Stick it inside Cedar Point's entrance before the skyride.

[@arikthenot-so-redasericthe1838]

Give Grizzly to either Carowinds or Kings Dominion. Ripping out Hurler at Carowinds would be an improvement; A good woodie in its place would be amazing. And Grizzly at Kings Dominion hasn’t aged well and the Racers are mild and forceless.

[@colbystearns5238]

I rode Ghost Rider as a little kid and loved it so going from that to Grizzly would be a major let-down. I certainly wouldn't care to have that ride at Knotts.

[@Thrills_And_Chills_WQAQ]

I find it funny that both great americas had early b and ms, iron wolf, then patriot, and Batman and then flight deck

[@AirtimeThrills]

Yeah i noted this in a past video, and at that time they were unrelated so this seems like a total coincidence

[@kenepo4u496]

Suggestion for next Buy or Sell: Wildcat at Hersheypark finally gets the RMC treatment.

[@thepanman2024]

I believe the newer and more moveable coasters and flat rides will be taken out first. Atleast one ride leaving each year until all that's left are the older coasters and flat rides. Railblazer if it's moved will be out of there first.

[@LordMalice6d9]

Looks like I only have 10 years worth of time left to head over to California and try this park out.

[@Ochocinco_Edits]

What you didn’t mention about KI and the Wild mouse was how that park is very focused on capacity, and 45 minutes at a smaller Cedar Fair park could turn into 1.5 Hours at a big time park like KI.

[@jordane7483]

Yeah exact reason it won’t get railblazer. Even though I wouldn’t care about lines or capacity. it would be a great addition regardless!

[@Ochocinco_Edits]

@@jordane7483 i would ride that all the time if we got that

[@AirtimeThrills]

@@jordane7483 true, wild mice have atrocious capacity. Which is why it would be better at WOF

[@joeygassmann5595]

Oh man if Railblazer becomes the Volcano replacement it will trigger so many enthusiasts lol

[@JoshAuerMusic]

“So…They can put it in Riverside and provide a shuttle out there for all I care.” Might be one of my favorite things you’ve ever said. 😂

[@quintinrice2733]

Is there any chance that Cedar Fair will buy a property like Sunsplash in Roseville. They have a great population to draw from with Sacramento and Humboldt not too far away. With the short distance, I imagine it would be cost effective. The land is much cheaper in that area.

[@swan1098]

Going to this every Summer in High school was the best. It’s gonna be sad to see it go. Had potential. Im going to Miss the coasters and the fun. Especially messing around with my buds. Rode my first coaster there (Demon).

[@PilotBMS]

Airtime thrills do you think psycho mouse at CGA will replace top thrill dragster at cedar point?

[@tyketyke]

i'm hoping dorney gets one of CGA's coasters once the time comes. it's the only cedar fair park anywhere near me i just want *something* semi-new there

[@josecastro2332]

Wouldn't it be so ironic if Railblazer is sent to Dorney just so sit on Stingers plot of land.

[@ckbarry]

This sure brought back memories- I grew up I Burlingame and remember when this opened as Marriott’s Great America. We moved out of state and I only went back a few times afterwards when visiting family, but very fond memories. My daughter’s 8th grade class went there from Oregon for roller coaster physics. Thanks for this video. I’m in memory lane now.

[@billofwrights7695]

Flight Deck is impossible for Kings Dominion since Alpengeist is located not too far away.

[@BrokenRealityYT]

I'm really hoping there is some way out of this, the closest park to me is SFDK at a 3 hour drive and I'd much rather drive an extra hour for CGA. I love this park and I can't imagine it closing for good, I rarely get to go to theme parks as it is, and when I do its always between this or SFDK.

[@gemmachaos]

My prediction: the raptor goes to Worlds of Fun or Kings Dominion, the invert goes to Valleyfair and the rest gets scrapped. MA gets jack squat.

[@krislocko1207]

I can see the older B&M coasters being purchased by six flags and moved to somewhere random like La Ronde

[@VinceHere98]

That would be brilliant. Maybe Flight Deck could be moved to Six Flags Darien Lake as a replacement for that godawful Vekoma SLC Mind Eraser, and have it renamed to “Batman: The Escape”. Patriot could be moved Six Flags St. Louis as they have only one B&M, which is a Batman clone. That, or send it to La Ronde as a replacement for Super Manége. I’m not sure what name they would give at St. Louis, but at La Ronde I imagine it’ll be called Vipére (the name of the Intamin ZacSpin that used to operate as Green Lantern First Flight at Magic Mountain before being moved to La Ronde, only for it to get cancelled after being delayed indefinitely due to COVID).

[@eternaltime425]

Were you surprised to hear that CGA is closing? I didn’t expect this park to be the one that CF was gonna close first

[@beachboysswiftie]

it came as a massive shock to me, as a san jose native i was devastated when i heard the news. cga is my home park, i only live about 20 minutes away and i go all the time, i can't believe it's gonna shut down permanently and i'm gonna lose a massive part of my childhood :(

[@TMcKeon408]

@@beachboysswiftie Me too man, granted the last time I was at the park Paramount was the owner but still.

[@alexlents4689]

@@beachboysswiftie I’m sorry man. 😔

[@AirtimeThrills]

I didn't expect this to pop up again, but when it did I was thinking well, they did try to do this before

[@staringcorgi6475]

Inverts have been relocated before like the raptor clone from expoland has been relocated to somewhere in europe and it was from 1996 it’s still operating

[@TNParadeFan]

I’m will be surprised if CGA antiques cars and Gold Striker gets relocated to Carowinds.

[@ProConClay]

Only rides worth saving: railblazer, and it’ll easily go to Knott’s. If Knott’s missed out on railblazer, their leadership failed, and ought to be replaced. It simply fits perfectly with ghost town’s vibe, and would be the most fun coaster there.

[@AirtimeThrills]

I think knotts went for the higher capacity Hangtime over railblazer in 2018. Makes sense

[@PygmyBBQ]

Fantasy v2: Cedar Fair opens a new norcal park somewhere cheaper and relocates some of these rides there! 😭But honestly, we're hurting up here for theme parks. I know it probably doesn't make any financial sense for Six Flags to move to a bigger space/expand or Cedar Fair to open a new park up here, but, I'd love a fantasy/theoretical video from you of that happening!

[@desirebest1811]

Love the ideas! I just wanted to let you know that I am a ride operator at CGA. Just lmk if you want any current info about the park. Sad to see my home park go though. 😢

[@radbricks8298]

what happening to the arrows?

[@chrisjamesracing]

@airtime thrills do you think that it’s possible that the drop tower and patriot go to michigans adventure

[@smeagolbeagle2316]

My best friend moved to Livermore summer of 87 and got to visit him the following summer and went here during my stay. Was my 4th park credit (not counting the many Funtastic travelling carnivals) behind Enchanted Village (now Wild Waves), Seattle Center Fun Forest (1962-2011, RIP) and my 1st park, now called WA state fair. The "Coaster" there was my 1st credit ever for an adult coaster with my pops. At GrAm, Top Gun may or may not have been fully constructed in 88, but went on Grizzy, the famous carousel and other smaller flats.

[@AirtimeThrills]

Top gun came in 93 so you definitely missed it

[@jonjon10220]

Would be nice if the drop tower gets sent to michigans adventure

[@positive_steves6992]

I would love for goldstriker to be relocated to knoebels, save the ride just like they did the Phoenix, send it to a place that will take care of it, and knoebels gets a wonderful world class ride

[@Puffo__]

buy or sell: castle park removes the log ride for a thrill coaster (rmc raptor or chance hyper gtx)

[@fatalpoo9270]

Do you think rail blazer could be moved to knotts? It could probably fit it in where coast rider is but they would have to move some things to make it fit but it might squeeze in and theirs no residents near that area of the park and this my be knotts only chance at an rmc because 1 space and 2 cedar fair said they would never change ghost town and most likey ghost rider witch makes cedear fair not rmc it. The only cons would be low capacity coaster and wonder woman at sfmm

[@tigerrocks503chase8]

I wish Demon would be relocated even though it won’t likely. Even if it’s an old and kind of dated coaster model… but it’s a classic and even the oldest of things can have a chance of being moved of effort and resources are available.

[@reillywalker195]

_Demon_ could get sold abroad. Several old Arrow and Vekoma loopers have found new homes in Asia.

[@Creeper15]

We could really use Goldstriker here at Carowinds We can fit it in the old Roaring rapids area Plus that side and area of the park tends to get a little dead and no draw to that spot except for leaving the park. To add to that it wood be a great addition adding another wood coaster to compliment Hurler

[@HiCaballo]

Flight Deck and Gold Striker are the most disappointing. I don’t see them getting relocated, but I would be very pleased if they were.

[@RollerCoasterManiac2020]

I could EASILY see six flags buy demon for great America. The extra parts would be needed!!

[@edvaira6891]

Railblazer would probably work better in Knotts…they’re in need of a flashy coaster and they don’t have much room

[@brucegibson1813]

thats true, but the capacity isnt great and its the most visited park in the chain

[@zuper1133]

Now that being said, how many attractions go to the other great america, since they both still have a lot of the same attractions

[@TheSonicsean]

I still see Michigan's Adventure getting Patriot. Given the very very, very, very low attendance at that park and the trains are less than 10 years old I can see it lasting longer there than anywhere else, and this way they don't have to remember it exists for another 15 years. Also if Cedar Point can replace Corkscrew with Demon it would be a huge improvement. Mostly because Corkscrew is garbage.

[@ajhummel9187]

My best guesses... Demon: Scrapped for parts to keep other Arrows in the chain alive. I can't see any way this one survives. Flight Deck: Most likely scrapped. While technically possible to relocate, the age of the ride and the cost of modifying it for flat terrain likely make doing so impractical from a financial standpoint. Gold Striker: As much as I hate to say it, I don't see it as very likely the structure of this ride gets saved. Instead, I think it's much more likely Cedar Fair will reuse the trains and mechanical components on a new GCI at a different park (Carowinds or Cedar Point). Grizzly: Another that I'm absolutely certain is a goner. It's not worth the cost of relocation. Lucy's Crabbie Cabbies: I could maybe see two or three Cedar Fair parks that could benefit from this, but I see that option as unlikely. Instead, I expect it to go up on the used ride market and be sold to a FEC or small park. Patriot: Unlike Flight Deck, I think this one may live on elsewhere as it's on mostly flat terrain and is probably in better shape despite being two years older. I don't think Cedar Fair is likely to keep it (though they could gift it to Michigan's Adventure), but despite its size it'd make a pretty sweet addition to a smaller park looking for a signature coaster. Psycho Mouse: I'm pretty skeptical of the Cedar Point relocation rumor, but I'm not skeptical about this surviving. Like the previous couple, this seems like a prime candidate for the used rides market. RailBlazer: If there is one coaster I'm very confident Cedar Fair will keep, it's this one. I could see it pop up at any of the smaller Cedar Fair parks (Dorney Park, Michigan's Adventure, Valleyfair, or Worlds of Fun), but given the maximum capacity is about what most major coasters can do with one train operations, it would be foolhardy to put it anywhere bigger. Woodstock Express: This is the hardest one to call, as it came to the park used and could easily be shipped off to a third home. However, given the age of the ride and the terrain aspects of it, I'm more inclined to say it gets scrapped.

[@juaquinzavala7865]

Are you going to the grand opening of dr diabolical cliffhanger on July 30th R.I.P California great america

[@AirtimeThrills]

Nah I'll be in florida. Ill ride Dr.D in september

[@reg1m0nz83]

the bright side is that when CF closes down a park, some of their more neglected parks have a chance to get a new coaster. I'm just sad for all the coasters that will be inevitably scrapped. maybe not grizzly, but please lord please give gold striker a new home.

[@randonm1151]

I live about 30 minutes away from both cga and discovery kingdom. So Rip cga 😪

[@demonoid7469]

I wonder if this will speed up the supposed Fresno deal...while it is rumored to be Discovery Kingdom moving here...I doubt it... BUT there has been several meetings with the city and others...the Mayor just a couple months back showed some high level investors 2 very large , theme park sized plots of land in town and just outside of town...

[@jollyronacher]

Did you see the Hersheypark news? For anyone who doesn’t know, they announced they’re closing Wildcat July 31 and Instagram asked “any suggestions for what we should do with the 3100 Ft of wooden track?” To which RMC replied “We have some ideas!” This is really exciting news

[@AirtimeThrills]

Yep. Definitely RMC

[@xavierhardy1857]

I have a hunch that GCA coaster will be moved there for some odd reason

[@corybourrier9722]

Great video as always man!!!!!

[@EnoughRhetoric]

I 10000000000% hope you’re right about Gold Striker heading to my home park of Carrowinds. It’s fit perfectly! They have the space. And Hurler can be destroyed or converted in a few years. This park needs a class A woodie! And Gold Striker plus an RMC conversion of Hurler (dare to dream), would make it a top 3 park in the chain easily.

[@AirtimeThrills]

I can totally see a new gci plus rmc hurler

[@blockin9556]

my home park is also carowinds, that would be great as right now they only really have a good top 3 maybe 4 and the rest of the coasters are pretty ass imagine rmc hurler + fury325 that would be insane highly doubt they would move gold striker though

[@605coasters]

As for Patriot, part of me wonders if they may salvage parts from it to convert Vortex at Carowinds.

[@AirtimeThrills]

That is something i should have considered for sure

[@ParkVisions]

Great video! I like how you did a fantasy side to it not just Reality, I hope you do another one I’ll love it.

[@dougieman927]

It definitely makes sense for KD to get Railblazer. It's a little close to Jersey Devil, but that's the only other raptor in the East. Plus, BGW doesn't have anything like it. The thing I worry about the most is GoldStriker. I can't decide if CF will think it's worth moving or not. Hopefully they can either rebuild it from the ground-up in another park or downscale it.

[@ralphwaggoner208]

Did you mean KD? My issue with KD getting Railblazer means it will likely be considered the Volcano replacement by CF management. But, it would definitely give KD a leg up with BGW getting 2-3 coasters in as many years.

[@dougieman927]

@@ralphwaggoner208 Yeah, I meant them. I'm dumb

[@countofarcadia]

@@ralphwaggoner208 KD could always build it into a volcano with a lot of theming. Thus, Railblazer would become the first indoor raptor coaster.

[@alexlents4689]

Well, I hear CF has been pretty satisfied with their purchase of GS and have little interest in parting ways with it. I’m leaning towards the idea that it’ll be relocated. Have hope!

[@clairefunnell8481]

Interesting. I don't think Canada's Wonderland will get anything. We could have new rides or coasters by the time this park closes. That's what I think. Nothing, zip, zilch, nada. Thank you. 😊

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

Six Flags Astroworld all over again.

[@unholylillim]

i went for the first time two days ago. have really been into roller coasters lately and experiencing them while they are still there. it was the opening of the season so not everything was open but the lines were quite short. i wasn't aware that they were closing and i'm pretty sad about it now. i would like to go again before they close for good. i skipped railblazer stupidly and goldstriker wasn't open but i'm very glad i rode what was available to me. i wish theme parks never had to close and coasters never had to be scrapped or sold but that just isn't realistic sadly. i love your channel.

[@angusng816]

Canada's Wonderland needs Woodstock Express.

[@chasemartini7110]

The biggest tragedy in all of this would be a great rollercoaster in Gold Rush being scrapped. Like you said, the old B&Ms are likely at the end of their service life anyway. I would be shocked if they are unable to move Railblazer, and I see it going to a smaller park. Not WOF, because they are getting a new coaster in 2023 (Finally!). So maybe Valleyfair?

[@coolboyfire5279]

Put an entire Cuphead theme park there

[@pecemakor917]

It's really sad CGA is closing, especially since I was planning on going there next year

[@lfroncek]

It will still be there next year.

[@briansanchez5758]

Still got it least 3-5 years

[@lamaripiazza5226]

I feel like it will close after the 2024 season.

[@MarsJenkar]

@@lamaripiazza5226 I read somewhere that a six-year lease agreement was baked into the deal (with an option for Cedar Fair to extend it for five more), but I don't know how true that is. If it is true, however, then the park wouldn't close before 2028--it wouldn't make sense for them to not operate the park up to that point.

[@chesterogilvie1393]

@@MarsJenkar that could be true, but those rides aren't guaranteed to be there after this or next year. One by one they will go

[@sideeswipe]

3:16 STOP THIS IS SO FUNNY

[@Wesley-76]

I'm saddest about the fact we're most likely losing another Arrow. But given what you said about the B&Ms, it'd be sad to see them go too. At least those aren't too unique experiences; it would really suck if Gold Striker was scrapped. I think they could put it in Carowinds as a good woodie (and Hurler is probably on borrowed time) and they don't even have to rename it, it fits in with Copperhead Strike's western vibe.

[@radbricks8298]

yeah if I could save one ride it would be the arrow looper

[@Wesley-76]

@@radbricks8298 Good choice, I'm actually not sure which one coaster I would save. Losing the Arrow hurts, but so does riding it, but the other rides are still fairly similar to others in America. I think it would be between Demon and Gold Striker, because the B&M and RMC could be rebuilt somewhere else much more easily.

[@radbricks8298]

@@Wesley-76 yeah I agree. I would also see if there would be a way to retro-fit the arrow train with lap bars. that would be sick

[@Wesley-76]

@@radbricks8298 True, at least vest restraints, anything to eliminate headbanging. Would be nice on Carolina Cyclone as well...

[@radbricks8298]

@@Wesley-76 yeah

[@fenrishero]

Hundred percent agree on Railblazer (if it can be moved). It's a way to make up for the unexpected loss of Volcano, and there's nothing like it at Busch Gardens. They'll drop it onto Volcano's old spot (the theming even works as it'll be in the jungle section), and depending on the position, may still have room for the proposed wing coaster or possibly a family suspended coaster.

[@kirblar]

Jungle X has a cat and bird theme left to use up with new rides, and RailBlazer screams out that it's probably the cat theme here.

[@thecrazyathlete3066]

Thank you I have been waiting for this

[@George7763]

Would rather see Knott's get Demon since it's like a better version of Corkscrew.

[@pythontf188]

Pls tell me one of these coasters moves to Michigan's adventure. We need a new coaster

[@amusementscape]

Here’s my thoughts: Psycho Mouse - WoF or CP Railblazer - Kings Dominion The 2 Smaller Coasters get sold to other parks. The rest get scrapped. I’d like to see Gene Staples or someone pick up one of the steel coasters but it’s tough considering that they are all old

[@reillywalker195]

I think _Patriot_ has plenty of life left. It's smaller and more tame than _Firebird_ at Six Flags America, the original B&M, and _Firebird_ shows no signs of closing in the foreseeable future. Cedar Fair should relocate _Patriot_ to one of the chain's lower tier parks in the Midwest or sell it to another park in need of a basic looping coaster.

[@AirtimeThrills]

Yeah, size and speed could play a part in the coaster's life. We just don't know for sure yet, b&m is just too new

[@tdcamp03]

Demon gets moved to six flags great America and they introduce dueling demons?

[@RandyLRhoades]

Someone cooked here.