The Federal 7mm Backcountry

[@zebacake4683]

As someone who hates new cartridges for their redundancy, this actually sounds kinda cool. Hopefully its not a dud

[@cjr4497]

Thank you

[@JayELR7]

Too bad they won’t support the 7mm-08 or 25/06. Things that I already have and enjoy. Ohh yeah. They are selling to a market that always wants something new. If they don’t offer something new, they will get behind. Federal Fusion is the only federal centerfire I purchase.

[@zebacake4683]

@@JayELR7 ok?

[@tatsuhirosatou5513]

​@JayELR7 they offer fedral premium 25-06 with nosler accubonds

[@JayELR7]

@ Yessir.. I’m just a poor man..

[@Winmod70300]

I don’t have a dog in a fight. Because I’m a 300 magnum dude but I am gonna enjoy watching the PRC guys having a nervous breakdown about this.

[@jcarry5214]

not HALF as bad as the 6.8 boys

[@jjmckay6man1]

LMAO

[@matalostodos]

It will definitely outperform the 300, in all ways. Then you’ll be boasting about the new thing, like a girl with a new label handbag. Think of this comment when you’re at the shop buying one 😄 I might get one I might not. But you will lol

[@Paul-q3m7k]

Now imagine that 300win mag performance out of a 3006 case . That’s what this technology will bring . It’s pretty cool

[@Steve-vx2xp]

They’re saying this is just the start of a family he comes and 30 caliber I would be very interested

[@89JDmac]

Interesting concept but I think Federal would make a lot more money offering a 6.8 Western Terminal Ascent and/or Fusion loading. The demand is there for it and it would breathe some more life into the 6.8 Western.

[@tylerclark8404]

I asked them a couple months ago and they told me they have no plans to support 6.8 Western.

[@ericthered7226]

It sounds like Federal is in the same boat as Hornady. They want nothing to do with the 6.8 Western. The 6.8 Western will be a "has been" before you know it. It's a shame too, because it seems to be a good one, but it looks like Winchester is on their own with that one and we all know how good they've been with marketing.

[@Mr.Constitutionalist427]

💯

[@89JDmac]

@@tylerclark8404 yeah same, which is crap. Seems like these companies have to protect their own calibers and shun the 6.8 because it goes neck and neck with their newer offerings. Maybe Barnes will help us out.

[@tylerclark8404]

@@89JDmacI asked Barnes and they are thinking about it. Not confirmed yet. I also asked Unknown Munitions and they will be loading for it. Idk what projectiles though.

[@tacticalmattfoley]

Seeing Seekins as a rifle manufacturer is a good sign for a couple of reasons. Seekins' Havoc Hit line has a modular design with interchangeable barrel options for the end user---seems easy to switch between barrels/calibers on that particular platform without getting a gunsmith involved....

[@zerklin1]

Look at seekins new ph3

[@bobmcmillen4502]

I saw that Seekins video on the PH3. he did mention that the PH3 was made for what was coming…. I’m going to rewatch that. Alterra Arms found the ammo to not be very long range worthy.

[@dawsonmorgan9289]

From what I understand the pressure won't affect barrel life. Barrel life is dictated by powder volume and the heat of the burning powder. The powder acts like a sand blaster to erode the barrel. Pressure doesn't erode barrels. According to federal it has similar barrel life to a 280. I'm kinda thinking it might have better barrel life than even that though, because the faster burning powder will turn to gas sooner, and not be as abrasive on your barrel

[@GarrettRowland-ic1uo]

@@dawsonmorgan9289 the higher the pressure the hotter the powder burns

[@craigparker4108]

@@GarrettRowland-ic1uo The higher the pressure the quicker the burn.

[@dawsonmorgan9289]

Ok, well in that case why are we not all shooting 38 specials and 30-30s? A 15,000 psi increase is pretty small compared to some of the pressure increases in the past. What's so special about this increase in pressure? Besides, this is a nickel plated steel alloy case. Not quite as hard as regular steel cases as far as I can tell. Sure, it will be a bit harder on chambers than brass, but I have never actually seen a chamber worn out. The throat will still probably erode long before the chamber gets so worn it affects accuracy. Besides, a higher pressure doesn't necessarily mean hotter temps. It could, but that's not guaranteed. It actually has less powder being burned than a 28 nosler, so it may actually not get as hot. Yes, a bullet moving faster will cause more heat in the barrel, but that's kinda irrelevant when you are comparing it to a cartridge of similar velocity. I can't imagine that it wont have better barrel life than a 28 nosler or something in that class. I watched Ron Spomerers video on this cartridge, and it sounds like he got to mess around with it before it came out. He also had a concern with barrel life, and talked to federal about it. Supposedly, they told him that when they started this project they had the same concern, but have found it to have similar barrel life to a 280. That doesn't guarantee it won't be harder on barrels, but I trust their word more than the speculation of people who have never fired a single round of anything at 80,000 psi. I'm not going to throw this cartridge out because of speculation about something most of us have no experience with. I can't imagine the military would choose the .277 fury as their replacement for the 556 if it's going to burn through a barrel in 500 rounds or something like that. If 80,00 psi is such a problem for a bolt action rifle, how could they expect it to work in fully automatic rifles?

[@GarrettRowland-ic1uo]

@@dawsonmorgan9289 less powder but it’s gonna be a very fast burning powder to get the velocity with barrel lengths comparing powder capacity is comparing apples to oranges it all depends on the powder used. Watch the seekins video on the new rifle line they redesigned the whole action bolt and bolt face to accommodate these new cartridges. So that tells me you are not just swapping barrels on an existing action the guns have to be made for these cartridges. And when they are getting die manufactures to make dies strong enough to form the cases. And patented federal brass components are gonna be a nightmare.

[@GarrettRowland-ic1uo]

@@dawsonmorgan9289 204 Ruger uses less then half the powder of the 7 BC so it must not be a barrel burner

[@redtiller1975]

I bet we'll see this one on the Vortex Podcast as a lead balloon

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Maybe

[@cjr4497]

That is the worst gun talk program on the web. Those guys don't have enough experience to be authorities on cartridges. They have some awful takes.

[@Glockshooter09]

@@cjr4497 💯

[@ericthered7226]

​@@cjr4497, what have they said that's been so wrong? That's one of the best podcasts, IMO.

[@portersorensen8814]

@@cjr4497Supporting edidence for that claim? Or are you just sour.

[@94s75]

Was looking forward to the video on this one

[@kingy300wby]

For a long time I’ve been seeing people wanting federal to support the 6.8 western and this is the reason they haven’t, things this advanced don’t happen over night they have been working on this for a while, for people using factory ammo and want a hard hitting 7mm with what looks to be a really great line up of bullet offerings I think this should be a good thing.

[@matalostodos]

I think you are correct. If it works, a new type of case makes more sense to support

[@albertlemont5471]

They also own the powder used in the 7mmPRC that hornady cannot get anymore causing the crappy velocity in the PRC lately.

[@kingy300wby]

@@albertlemont5471 for people who only shoot factory ammo this will definitely eat the prc

[@Weatherby406]

It’s going into Weatherby rifles.. they mentioned a project with federal in the podcast

[@hunt1198]

I watched a video this morning of them using 7 backcountry taking an elk here in New Mexico with a 16” barrel.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

ha

[@xgomz]

I saw the news on this and had similar thoughts. Not a huge reloader myself, actually haven't reloaded in a couple decades. Come to think of it, not sure why I watch your videos! Ha, but I do, and enjoy them, so thanks for that. Anyway, the most interesting thing to me on this is that Federal is currently the only manufacturer I'm aware of who makes a 7mm PRC round that actually meets it's advertised velocity. That ammunition, all of the varieties, but especially the 170gr. We all know Hornady did, and I'd assume is continuing to do, a dirty on it's 7mm PRC (possibly other calibers, as well?) - leaving people guessing why their velocity dropped 200 fps. Federal, as I understand it, has this particular powder cornered and no one else can get it in any meaningful quantity. If that's the case still, and they're going to focus on their new hotness, the 7mm PRC is boned purely from the perspective you won't be able to get ammo for it anymore. Luckily for myself I bought 1k rounds of the 170gr TA so I wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. Figure I'll probably be telling jokes to Jesus before I let got of the last round there. But in terms of the viability of the 7mm PRC, it already wasn't really a super star -- for non-reloaders it certainly had some potential. But that potential was dependent on the availability of ammo that is scarce and if scarce becomes non-existent I don't see how the 7mm PRC survives that long.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching my content!

[@carlpreston1680]

It must use some pretty fast burning powder as far as Magnums go so that short barrel might work out pretty good

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Maybe

[@chuckfinley3152]

Varget /s

[@carlpreston1680]

@@chuckfinley3152 they shot that rifle on Ron spomer outdoors and said it was special blended powder

[@craigparker4108]

@@carlpreston1680 And it may become available to the public.

[@Greyzonecompliant]

A steel cased 378 Weatherby with a 28 inch barrel. 🤔 What do you think ?

[@DPM-dp9on]

Yeah, my 7mm-08 REM at $30.00 a box still gets it done.

[@jjmckay6man1]

yep it will. nothing wrong with more velocity out of short barrels though. I don't think this is going to replace anything people already have for many reasons.

[@adamwiech4874]

I just watched a video where a hunter was elk hunting with a 16.5 " barrel 2900fps ,,now with western hunters who want a light package , and with the advent of deer blind hunting there could be quite a bit of excitment over this i think

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Maybe

[@Bubbybub0077]

I don't want to poo poo something that nobody has any experience with, but I have my doubts. I get what they are trying to do, on the face of it I like it, but it seems like a lot. A 170 gr bullet at 3000 FPS is a maxed out 7 PRC or a more moderate 7 Weatherby Mag, but both do this with 24 or 26" barrels. I get that this is a high performance round but, I dont know it is just a lot. I think something that would fit in a short action and push a 170gr projectile at 2800fps would be a little nicer and have some more broad appeal. Something similar to the 7 SAW. As it stands, this might be a great round and effectively replace the 28 Nosler, but people arent busting down doors to get their hands on the old 28 Nosler...

[@jjmckay6man1]

they will be coming out with other case designs for this tech. I'm sure a short action will be next.

[@rileyneufeld7001]

The Short action craze is far too desired with almost no benefit. Maybe an ounce or two less weight? Slightly shorter bolt throw? Hardly noticeable and limiting the OAL of these really sleek high BC heavy bullets only leaves one option to achieve great velocity without intruding on case capacity. Making a fat case which will limit the rounds a rifle can hold. A bit longer case that's thinner and allows for 1-2 extra rounds in a magazine is more desirable to me than a slightly shorter action.

[@masone4589]

I foresee this thing being finicky and difficult. 28 Nosler performance from a 280 case? I’ll be shocked if this thing functions well out of the gate

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I could see that

[@warrenpolidori5541]

Wondering how they're going to keep primers from flattening or blowing out at 80KPSI?

[@carlpreston1680]

Federal has to put blue sealer on there primers anyways , I bought a bag of brand new federal brass for 270 Winchester a few years back and all the primers seated loose so I don't know if that's why they seal all their brass or not

[@Bubbybub0077]

Small Rifle Magnum Primers and tight primer pockets work quite well at high pressure. I think that wont be the biggest problem if the cases work as advertised.

[@seth094978]

​@@Bubbybub0077 In addition, the steel case head will expand less during the firing event, so that tight primer pocket could stay tight even at the instant of max pressure.

[@joshuahedrick]

I don't think it will be a barrel burner because pressure has nothing to do with throat erosion. It's the powder charge which in this new case is 55gr-60gr. Temperature not pressure causes throat erosion. If it did, a 6.5 Creedmore would burn a barrel up faster then a 30-06.

[@JAWZOZ]

100% pressure plays a huge part in throat erosion.

[@joshuahedrick]

​@JAWZOZ False. As an example The chamber pressure of the Mark 7 16"inch naval rifle on the Iowa class battleships was "only" 41,000 psi but the barrels only lasted 150 to 200 shots max. Kind of had something to do with using 660lbs of propellant per shot. Too much powder going thru too small of a hole with a ton of heat is what causes throat erosion. This new 7mm cartridge isn't over-bore unless you think 280 Rem is over-bore. It used the same amount of power it should have similar barrel life.

[@maxximus2012]

It is very cool and not just another BC bullet and twist rate face lift. Kudos to Federal.

[@Snailz5]

I ran the barrel life calculation based on a 280 AI running the 195 berger over 63 grains of RL 26 at 80k PSI at a 3.34 COL. 899 shots. Woof.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I bet it's even shorter

[@jaimesanborn308]

The new seekins ph3 was developed for these new high pressure rounds. Has a nifty switch barrel clamp. So it can be done easily by the owner. Time to start thinking of barrels like tires on your car going forward

[@LittleCrowGunworks]

​@jaimesanborn308 that's what it's going to require. The barrel life will be worse than a 28 Nosler.

[@jaimesanborn308]

@LittleCrowGunworks Ahhh but a return to the speed days of the late 90's early 2000's!! That's what the rifle industry has been lacking with all these modern wussy prc calibers..

[@LittleCrowGunworks]

@@jaimesanborn308 😆 there is that.

[@chuckfinley3152]

I've reloaded steel 223 wolf cases that were boxer primed easy peasy just to see. They worked fine, I did a batch of 5 to see how many times I could reload them but got bored after 3-4. These are obviously a lot bigger so you may need some muscle lol

[@jjmckay6man1]

good thing you stopped there. Federal said by the 6th firing they claim 20% case loss due to cracked necks or shoulders lol. 3 was fine though.

[@TDKOUTDOORS]

Faster burning powders can be utilized with those cases. Does that mean more, or less barrel burn?

[@TomL3grandsons]

According the Engineers at Federal barrel burnout will be equivalent to a 280 AI because they aren’t using that much powder in the case.

[@tonyferguson9653]

I’ve seen other channels say Federal is saying comparable barrel life to 280 AI I think. I personally don’t know if that is good or bad but they acted like it was more barrel life than the magnums because of less powder burnt per shot. I believe it’s 55-60 grains of powder per shot.

[@ryanmosley8250]

Glad to see this video, what's your opinion on this vs weatherby cartridges

[@Lucafu007]

I read or heard that it wont burn barrels like the 28 Nosler because it wont be burning as much powder. Its the powder that burns up barrels, not pressure. I don't know if that is accurate but it does make sense.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

We will see

[@blanchard899]

@@ReloadingWeatherby7mm PRC best bang for your buck out of the 7mm’s

[@landenrobbins9936]

Burn temp is what burns up barrels, flame cracking in the throat, leade is what causes “burn out”

[@jrhunt414]

Been working in Nuke Power for years, the alloys and special materials we use for piping are designed for high pressure, high temp, and ductility. Finally we are getting cases made of what I assume is a type of inconel alloy. Used to work with a new engineer that came over from Sig, he was describing the testing he was involved in of the soon to be 277 Fury. After long discussions about it I said what if we just made it out of inconel. He had never worked with it there and only knew about it after becoming a nuke. That’s where the discussion ended and we went back to work. Can’t wait for 30-06 super alloy cases to be made.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Interesting

[@cw2a]

I wish them all the best. Great ta have option's and I gotta say as soon as I saw that 277 Fury I said here is the next wave... Im STILL gonna stick with my tried and true 7Rem Mag. Preformance wise ZERO reason to change. Now were I a brand new hunter... MAYBE, but as you point out. Reloadability... Plus my agreement with yours on barrel Length in magnums... PRC for the win.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for your comment CW

[@sconniejohn]

Part of me wondering if the new 80k ceiling for pressure making its way to Weatherby. If all it takes is steel cases, id bet the rent the mk5 action can take that. An extra 15k psi and a 26" barrel would absolutely leave all the wonder loadings in the dust again.

[@rosswitte]

Remember when Dirty Harry said is it 5 or 6? That's the price of the ammo per round.

[@theprfesssor]

On their website Federal says it'll be about the same price as their 7 PRC offerings so 2-3 a round

[@jtrguitar6294]

This is exactly what the cartridge world needed. Weve been using brass for ever, and wildcatters have done everything that can be done, and with quite a few duplicates. This was the next step, and sig had already released their 277 fury, but the .277 fury was not designed for hunting big game. Federal makes the best hunting bullets, and now have made a truly unique and exciting cartridge, that generates hydrostatic shock out to 400 yards. The reloading market will adapt to this new case, with new powders, metalurgy, etc.

[@ronaldtrask3444]

I hope you are right. This industry is not fast enough to adopt non-traditional changes

[@jtrguitar6294]

​@@ronaldtrask3444federal has made a superior cartridge when compared to the 7 rem, 7prc, 6.5prc, and 6.8 western, which are all the current rave. Better is better, and better sells.

[@warrengreen3217]

When will yinz learn these new hot rounds everyones creaming there pants over are not doing anything new

[@ericthered7226]

​@@warrengreen3217, care to put that in English?

[@ronaldtrask3444]

@warrengreen3217 Are you okay? Are you having a stroke?

[@Rushshooting67913]

If federal wants to bring back a good cartridge bring the 338 federal back. I have one and what an awesome cartridge.

[@thebryguy96]

I wondered when you were going to discuss it. I see that even geissele introduced a bolt action.

[@Paul-q3m7k]

This is an awesome cartrige

[@RoxVrod]

With the steel case and high pressures (barrel burner) I think I will stick with the PRC lineup or the 6.8 Western. I am like you. I like longer barrels and traditional brass for hand loads. Thanks for the heads up for the new Federal cartridge. We seem to be in a time of cartridge innovation I have not seen in 30 years.

[@NELLY-jg2rx]

So exactly how does higher pressure burn barrels? 28 Nosler 65,000 psi....270 Win 65,000 psi.... the burn barrels at the same rate???

[@ericthered7226]

My initial thoughts are.... It'll do good. This is where the industry has been headed. Everyone is wanting more and more performance AND everyone seems to be wanting a suppressor. Here's the answer to that. I think it'll be what several people want. For me, I don't have any interest at the moment, though I will be watching it. It's all going to depend on how reloading this cartridge goes and cost. It does put up some good numbers and if it's putting up numbers like that in a 20" barrel, it would be that much better in a 26". If you were hunting, it would be nice to get that kind of performance out of a short barrel. As far as being a barrel burner, that's a talking point that a lot of people bring up even though it doesn't apply to them. The majority of people never have to worry about burning a barrel out, especially a hunter.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for your comment

[@longrangeautist6117]

Stoked to see hybrid/steel case technology bleeding into the consumer market. I too am skeptical as to how reloading will be managed though. Jim on Backfire just showed his 16” Horizon rifle shoot the 170gr at over 2800fps. So if that’s indicative of anything as to the performance I think it will be a rad technology if/when it bleeds over into existing cartridges we all know and love.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@user-iz7zy7rx9t]

Really looking forward to your honest review of this cartridge. The AllTerra review definitely gave me pause

[@GuitarBuilderatbluemoonguitars]

Had a question. Building a new rilfe thinking weatherby i have 300 PRC, 7 PRC, 6.5 PRC looking at maybe 6.5. 300 or something in the 7mm line. No, not a steel cartridge. What would you suggest in the weatherby rifle.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

6.5-300 WBY would be cool

[@highplainsdrifter9631]

6.5 Weatherby RPM

[@theprfesssor]

Backfire made a video and he has the cartridge in hand and shoots it....... definitely interesting its slightly shorter then the 280AI

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I saw

[@csalsb]

I wonder if this is the reason Hornady can’t get reloader 26.

[@joshuamccasland8180]

Have y’all noticed the HUGE media support Federal is getting with this new cartridge already? It’s like saying hey Hornady, get out of the way. Lol

[@jacobheard3807]

I am wanting to change the stock on my 2016 weatherby 4 panel chambered in 7 mm magnum. I don’t want to damage the beautiful stock and wood like to replace with another stock. Could you offer some advice on replacing the factory stock . Thank you

[@jamesfrizzell251]

Do we have recoil numbers on this? 30? More?

[@jaimesanborn308]

Imagine an 80000 psi 25-378 😮😂😂

[@brendanomeally8070]

Since weatherby is supporting this very early on, I wonder if that means that a 7mm RPM is not in the works? Was kinda hoping that would be a thing.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Weatherby has no interest in a 7mm RPM. They are very interested in making a 7-378 Weatherby

[@brendanomeally8070]

@ReloadingWeatherby that's kinda disappointing but it is what it is. A 7-378 would be a monster though!

[@whaaatno7439]

Wonder what suppressors are rated for pressure wise. I’m sure they thought of that but isn’t there a reason most .308 cans say rated up to XYZ cartridge?

[@jcarry5214]

This doesn't hurt my argument that Weatherby could've been cleaning up if they had a 7RPM to the table before 7PRC. The PRC tried to thread the needle of moderation while claiming things it wasn't.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Weatherby wants nothing to do with 7 RPM. They want the 7-378 Weatherby

[@jcarry5214]

@@ReloadingWeatherby 5 years ago they wanted nothing to do with a 2-lug bolt.

[@jcarry5214]

@@ReloadingWeatherby I know what they told you last year, but turning down market share to chase niche is what almost killed them, this was an open layup that could have made them more mainstream as a premier American company. 378 necked to 284 is way past return on investment. 28 Nos limps along, nobody wants a 7 rum. Full magnum action, 400 round barrel life to get maybe another 200 fps and restricted to monos and low bs bonded? Nope. DOA.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@jcarry5214 Vanguard has been a staple gun that Weatherby sells... since the 80's. That's a 2 lug bolt

[@jcarry5214]

@@ReloadingWeatherby yeah they care about the relicensed Howa so much that they invented a whole new action instead of supporting it. Vanguard competes with Savage 110 series, not even the nice ones let alone Browning and Tikka. People know the difference. They could have attacked the middle third of the market and done well with the 307 and a new RPM, and 7 is what people had been and are asking for.

[@JimmyOliver-g6f]

Don't matter caliber or feet per second it all boils down to bullet placement .

[@WilliamKister]

I wonder how the steel alloy case will hold up to adverse weather and moisture. It looks as if the case is what allows it to run the higher pressure. I wonder if they will just "Backcountry" standard cartridges. Cool that they pretty much based it off the 280 Ackley Improved kind of. Get the capacity and the magnum performance. I can see it being big for hunters but target shooters avoiding it.

[@msa4548]

Just wondering, did Hornady piss off Federal? I actually enjoy the 338 Federal.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I noticed there wasn't a ELD-X bullet offering for this 7mm BackCountry

[@msa4548]

@ReloadingWeatherby I have a 7 PRC and have been waiting two years for the Federal terminal ascent, it's still not available. Though I'd be interested in seeing what the backcountry could do with a 26" barrel or if it's done in a 24".

[@RustyM80]

I dont expect Federal to support 7prc going forward. They have made their 7prc terminal ascent/fusion tipped offerings unavailable. Spoke to several gunshops today here in Canada and they have been trying to get 7prc federal ammo for over a year. Maybe federal will buy my PRC I had that I bought this spring😂? -So I can buy their new wonder cartridge. Probably just better off selling it and sticking to 30-06 and 300wm anyway.

[@bobbyblair6862]

Bummed that, without specialized equipment, it won't be reloadable, but Iwill definitely be building an 18" 7mm BC for the yearly elk hunt.

[@CowboyBuck1]

My personal take on it is that they will eventually start selling normal chamberings in high pressure cases. Because if I’m not mistaken, the rifles chambered for this and the Fury are not different than conventional chambered rifles. Thoughts? Maybe a SAAMI adoption somehow for steel cases under preexisting classifications?

[@petevaldez3254]

Sounds interesting. 36 casing 7 mm projectile tells me it could be mild recoil.

[@BZE_Fishin]

Oh ya…I want one!

[@approachingtarget.4503]

Hand loaders are not surprised. The steal case was already used by Winchester in 3006. 180 and 160gr ballistic tips. It will reload with basic equipment.

[@MrJtin69]

It being avg in a 20 inch is awesome

[@ronbeckybeasley3566]

Shit the 6.8 western beats the 7PRC. Federal needs to make the 6.8 Western.

[@jam5287]

It definetly needs more support. But at the same time they’re gonna be focused on this new cartridge. Just like Hornady is focused on the 7 PRC. And even nosler is afraid of the 6.8 western because it threatens their 27 nosler. If they loaded for the 6.8 western they’d probably have to kiss the 27 nosler goodbye. Lol they get similar performance. The nosler gets 100-160 fps faster velocity than the 6.8 western. But the 6.8 is in a short action. And it’s very cheap to shoot in comparison to noslers stuff.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

.277 projectiles are nowhere near as abundant as .264 or .284 from the usual high BC producers like Berger, Hornady, or Sierra.

[@ronbeckybeasley3566]

@ sierra game king is very available in the 175 grain 6.8 western. Hornady is scared to death of the 6.8. They are trying everything they can to destroy it. I personally don’t support hornady all because of their ELDX bullets. The absolute suck. 100 yards or less you are lucky if they don’t explode on impact. Hornady is just like Vortex. Overrated and over hyped

[@jam5287]

@ the eldx is a fantastic bullet. But I agree. It’s not a hunting bullet like they believe it is. I wouldn’t leave it up to chance whether or not it expands or holds together and penetrates. Hornady makes good bullets though. They need to bring back the interbond.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Do you individuals know the difference between "hunting" and "match" type projectiles? Marketing. Because of the Hague Convention. Legal requirements. Not because target projectiles shouldn't be used for hunting, no, but because bureaucratic legalese. Same design as "hunting" just running slightly thinner jackets. In fact, they are more effective in a lot of cases than "hunting" options.

[@IfereimiKoroiyale-pw6cl]

That’s a hot one. Barrel life? I like my 7mm prc Maybe it’s not for me. I had a 6.5 Weatherby Mag That one love barrel for lunch too😂 Thanks for your input.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching!

[@feuerland81]

Very interesting indeed! But now what I really wanna see happen is someone making a 6.5mm Creedmoor or a 30-06 case out of this steel alloy. Since any modern rifles can handle that without pressure issues, we could literally transformed any non magnum cartridge into one when we need the extra performance while still using brass cases data for regular loads! Still need more infos on how to reload for this alloy but I can already tell a pound of powder will last a lot longer.

[@308guy8]

I have more questions than answers, but i guess we will see what happens. Is it the best new wiz bang or a lead balloon.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@jasonmorris159]

One thing I dont see anyone talking about, since this is targeted at shorter barrels that are suppressed. How will this effect a suppresor in terms of minimum barrel length? I'm assuming a titanium can is going to be in mind with this hunting round. Does pressure effect a silencers rating? Just don't wanna have to run out and buy a new suppresor. I will. But I won't like it... lol

[@Rushshooting67913]

I think its a good idea for new case design however the 7mm prc does what i need if to. Just need a 26 inch barrel in the prc to achieve the ballistics it was supposed go have. I think it wont do well because i think its gonna be a pain to reload. Then with guys having to achieve 80000 psi to get velocities they are gonna be going way over 90 to 100 psi to achieve federals velocities. Im skeptical

[@gc641]

Oh great another rocket cartridge and marketing bull

[@phild9813]

Spomer and Backfire chronographed it already and those results indicate it is certainly not “marketing bull”

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Spomer gets involved a lot with market bovine. If you don't believe me, then you've become a victim of it.

[@WesternBallistics]

How much do you think this will affect the sales of the other 7mm cartridges?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

There is a lot of buzz for this cartridge... I could see it becoming popular

[@marksummerlin976]

If you are in the market for a 7mag this is not a bad choice for a hunting cartridge if it is accurate but it may just be another Lead balloon

[@reedjensen4355]

I'm going with Lead Balloon! Watch All Terra's honest assessment of this 7 Backcountry! You hear all about 16" barrels , 65 grns of powder , 3,00fps , & magical steel alloy case. What about accuracy the long range kind! Watch the All Terra video!

[@marksummerlin976]

@@reedjensen4355 thanks. I was a 300win guy for years but want a 7mag in something. I am leaning toward the 7prc just because of being able to load heavier grain bullets.

[@user-iz7zy7rx9t]

Can they make these cartridges in .308 to just fit in a 30-06?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Probably

[@user-iz7zy7rx9t]

@ReloadingWeatherby 30-06 Backcountry, Let's Go

[@jjmckay6man1]

just watched a video of a 16.5" barrel shoot the 170grTA at 2900 fps lol. Garmin xero chrono.

[@BeaterJeep]

Did they reach out to you?! Interesting that my YT feed has 10-15 channels all flooding the news at the same time… not a negative at all… seems Win/Browning should take note…

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

They didn't reach out to me. I'm too small.

[@BeaterJeep]

@ I’ve only seen two channels that drove a measurable amount of more views… you’re pulling very well… don’t short that impact… I’m sure you know exactly which two … maybe I missed others.

[@umbertoharo3841]

Sounds cool hopefully it's not crazy expensive.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

They said ammo cost would be about the same as the 7mm PRC. So probably around $60-70

[@onceaintenough]

Check out Allterra Arms vid, they built multiple rifles and struggle to get below a 1" group and their guns are guaranteed 1/2 MOA.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I just watched it... Yikes

[@onceaintenough]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Yes, interesting. Getting ready to have them build me a sheep rifle and that's definitely not the caliber I am going with!

[@LittleCrowGunworks]

I just watched that too. They are not impressed at all.

[@craigparker4108]

Ron Spomer's first group was sub moa & first shot at 300 hit steel, so there's that.

[@406life]

Wait till you see more data,Alterra is heavily invested in Hornady calibers

[@tommyseay5191]

Sounds like good cartridge.

[@Manbunmen65]

Muzzle blast, high energy, recoil...muzzle blast but kinda interesting to watch what happens.

[@soupie31547]

I really hope the Market isn’t moving towards higher and higher pressures. Mistakes reloading at higher and higher pressures will likely be more devastating.

[@zebacake4683]

@@soupie31547 except actions are getting stronger and stronger

[@soupie31547]

@ I agree, actions are getting stronger. I’m sure they can build an action that could handle 200,000 psi but an 80,000psi blowout is gonna be worse than a 65,000psi blowout.

[@zebacake4683]

@@soupie31547 there are custom actions (such as the BAT actions) that will take 120k. But you aren't wrong. My logic is it shouldnt be an issue if people are responsible with their hand loading. iE not just picking a random book charge

[@soupie31547]

@ agreed. 👍

[@mattcomchoc2957]

really think you might be wrong about the "barrel burner" status. it's using a 280ai amount of powder. i'm sure higher pressure will mean you won't get 280ai barrel life out of it, but i'd be surprised if you didn't get 7prc life out of it

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Time will tell on what consistent 80k psi will do to a barrel.

[@rosswitte]

Can we please have them recertify the offerings we already have at 65000 psi like the 7 rem mag? Many cartridges were underrated back in the day.

[@cjr4497]

We all have to suffer because of junk autoloaders

[@jmc041071]

Just curious, if the .277 Fury can handle 80,000 with just a steel case head, why does the Backcountry need the whole case to be steel alloy?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Maybe so it can be reloaded?

[@jmc041071]

@ReloadingWeatherby but the .277 Fury can be reloaded easier right, since most of the case is brass? And what "strict reloading practices" do you mean for reloading the 7mm Backcountry?

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Reloaded in a nuclear laboratory. I suppose.

[@Guitarsgunsandghosts]

Why not just make stainless steel cases for calibers we already have?

[@4martell4]

Ammo trends : 1)Short and fat - WSM, SAUM 2)precision and high BC, PRC and Creedmoor 3)High pressure , SIG and now Federal

[@amym828]

Not feeling comfortable with how Federal stating it is "reloadable". I will reserve judgement until it gets out into people's hands. But at least with this cartridge is that it is 7mm, so plenty of target oriented projectiles are possible, as opposed to 6.8 Western.

[@thomasdaum1927]

How you going to resize a steel case and at 80,000 psi how long is the primer pocket going to stay in speck ?……..

[@ZAKish-cy9xu]

Interesting, but I’ve never been interested in anything 7mm, but I do wish Federal the best with this cartridge…I know they have no plans for the 6.8W, but one day hopefully they’ll change their mind.

[@I_am_K-aus]

Has anyone actually found any ammo for sale, anywhere? I can buy a rifle but where’s the ammo?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Not yet

[@dakotabarriger4546]

There's half or a little more than half of the powder charge in this round, as what's in a 28 Nosler. What burns the barrels is the powder, not necessarily pressures. Federal is saying the barrel life should be similar to that of regular long action cartridges. .280ai, 30-06, .270. Might not be as good as those cartridges, but from what I've seen so far on this cartridge is it will not be a barrel burner.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

1. 28 Nosler only burns 80 gn of powder. 7mm Backcountry burns around 60 gn 2. Federal is very vague about barrel life on their website. They say it will be around the same as other magnums

[@arogue469]

"Backfire" has one on hand and has done a vid on it, as well.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

A lot of the bigger KZbinrs got early access to it.

[@wheelchairhillbilly]

If it's reloadeble, I see no downside. If there were to many downsides, I don't think so many gun manufacturers would be chambering it, so I'm sure it's been well tested. And, of course if you believe the claims, the amount of powder being burned affects barrel life more than pressure, barrel lif might not be as bad as we think. I'm however uninterested in short barrels, so if I get one at some point, it's going to have a 24 inch barrel.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Early rumors... It will be a nightmare to reload. I worry about consistent accuracy in factory ammo.

[@phild9813]

I don’t think it will be as much of a “barrel burner” as most are saying. With the 30-06 styled case, it isn’t hardly overbore. It doesn’t matter much anyway, being that it’s a hunting cartridge.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

We will see.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

If you cranked .45-70 up to 80,000 psi, yeah, barrel life wouldn't be much affected. Bolt thrust would dislocate your shoulder however.

[@usabaker1]

Looks like something really targeting hunters who hike into their hunting areas more than anything else. I see an advantage of have what is 7mm Rem Mag in a 20” barrel, weight being a big factor when packing in the high country and deep. But I bet this baby kicks like a mule! Barrel burnout is not such a big factor for me as a hunter, you just don’t put that many rounds down a hunting rifle especially since this wouldn’t be something you would use for local deer hunts. Steel case ammo isn’t a big factor either in my book, again a Hunter ain’t shooting it that much, besides you can resize and reload Steel if you really care to, just a bit harder on the dies. I just might trade in my 7mm Rem Mag in for one of these but only if someone other then Savage starts offering rifles chambered in it.

[@aaronwilcox6417]

Great concept for folks who hike in or want shorter handier barrels. Its interesting but honestly im all good with my Fudd 308 scout rifle, the 7-08 Montana, and lightweight 270win. Id rather put the money on a new backpack, boots and upgraded clothing where its needed.

[@rootjr.3658]

I could be wrong, but looking at the SAAMI drawing it is very close to a .280 AI dimensionally. Using a .472 rim, it is bit more blown out in the body, only a 30 degree shoulder, and a hair shorter with a shorter neck. I'm surprised they didn't go with short action beltless magnum dimensions. I think the long action might pigeon hole this as a hunting only round and I don't know how well that market will receive this concept. Run a 6.5CM at 80k PSI and you will run neck and neck with 6.5 PRC. The 6 ARC would be on the heels of the 6 CM. I like the concept if it really is reloadable, and is something I will consider buying myself, I just don't know if the 7mm Rem Mag/7mm PRC market is the easiest place to carve out a lasting place.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching!

[@rootjr.3658]

Also, the only gun chambered in it under $1000 is a single model from Savage. Most of the guns advertised as being chambered in this round are $3000-6000. Hard to have mass appeal with that high bar for entry.

[@daltonv5206]

The only way I'd consider this is if it has equal or less recoil than a 30-06 in a hunting weight rifle. Which it may. We'll see. Next question... How expensive is the ammo?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Apparently similar to 7mm PRC ammo cost

[@mikemelina7395]

Recoil is going to be "stout"...like 300 Weatherby stout.

[@jam5287]

@@mikemelina7395only if the rifles don’t come with a threaded muzzle. Muzzle breaks tame the hardest kicking cartridges.

[@mikemelina7395]

@@jam5287 Read the OP of the thread, muzzle break or not, the nature of this cartridge and the pressures required to get this performance out of a short barrel means there's no way a hunting-weight rifle is going to recoil the same as, or less than a 30-06. This has already been discussed elsewhere. Without a break, they anticipate ~41#s of recoil with a 195gr bullet out of a 8# rifle.

[@jam5287]

@@mikemelina7395 I highly doubt it will be that high. I’ve seen it shot and it doesn’t appear to kick as hard as a 300 win mag would. And that’s because it’s not burning as much powder. Even if it were 41 ft lbs of recoil, a break would cut that in half. And then it would be kicking as hard as a 30-06 without a break.

[@Therionx]

Ammo probably $80+ a box Weatherby status or .28Nosler Also a barrel burner , But I'm sure they will sell a ton .

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I forgot to mention this but ammo prices will be the same as 7mm PRC

[@cjr4497]

99% of people will never burn out their barrel. This BS talking point has just about ended great hunting cartridges like the 264Win Mag. If this thing can "only" shoot 800 rounds it would take 99% of guys 40 years to burn their barrel. Who the hell sits at the range and bangs away with their magnums just for the hell of it? That's what the creedgirl cartridges and 22's are for.

[@phild9813]

Midway shows it at $53-$68 per box, but it remains to be seen what street prices are. Barrel burning is so overhyped with hunting cartridges, and people comment on it having zero experience themselves.

[@phild9813]

That makes it less expensive than the 7PRC round from the get go. With the Federal ammo machine behind it, I bet it stays cheaper.

[@daveenriquez7790]

Curious if you know, is the velocity numbers released by Federal using RL26 powder that us Reloaders can no longer get?

[@justahologram2230]

That looks alot like a 280 Remington, I hope they lengthened the case body to make sure it won't chamber in 280 Remington or 280 AI rifles

[@e.l.robbins5614]

High pressure cases maybe the future.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Probably

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

Time will tell if this is the wave of the future. I am not going all in at this late stage of life.

[@ethanfullerton507]

Imagine this technology in a 300PRC case, you might get 30-378 WBY Mag velocity 😂

[@gonepostal9101]

Good luck sizing one of those cases.

[@petevaldez3254]

Sold. I’ll take two

[@jasonbroom7147]

I would only consider this cartridge if I could also choose to (easily) make cases that will safely fire in it using conventional brass The result would be very similar to a 280 Remington. That way, when they stop making the cases for this round, which is almost inevitable, I'll still be able to use the rifle.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I bet you could fire form other brass into this and use it as a normal pressure cartridge.