The Final Boss Of Minesweeper Puzzles

[@Aliensrock]

Can't wait until the full game comes out! If you still want to get that Minesweeper fix, check out my Hexcells and Tametsi videos.

[@shadowcween7890]

Do you have a Patreon or some where that I can donate money to support your career

[@noahbrown5491]

This comment is 11 hours older than the video

[@RandomnesssE]

@@noahbrown5491 i was just about to say that

[@the_nick_knack]

@@shadowcween7890 You could always hit that Join button next to the subscribe button here on youtube

[@huang111]

@@noahbrown5491 I feel like people have been commenting about this for years, why are people still doing it

[@sledjenkins5]

Multiple and Liar would be a BRUTAL combination of rules

[@PaperTowwl]

All combinations are combinations of a rule on the left and a rule on the right, so fortunately that won’t happen!

[@swaleenelic4950]

13 would definitely be a 12 for sure.

[@coolfool121]

So would connected and triplet

[@chas9940]

Or it would be very easy

[@john_hatten2862]

since liar is either +1 or -1, it would keep the parity analysis needed for multiple

[@renanmarcilio4677]

At 14:05, Tyler activated all the parts of the brain at once, summoning his inner speedrunner to finish the puzzle as quick as possible.

[@Varandru]

I would guess he is slowing himself down constantly for commentary. That was just him operating normally.

[@phantomy2034]

@@Varandru Actually, it looks like he's taking his time to plot these out carefully and his logic makes sense. I've made a number of mistakes and/or false assumptions trying to go quickly. These are some carefully constructed logic puzzles, which are tricky to solve, he just makes them _look_ easy most of the time.

[@vibeguy_]

"This is a mine, eat my nuts"

[@monkebox3436]

no kidding, from that point it took him less than a minute to finish just over half the board

[@phantomy2034]

@@monkebox3436 Sometimes you get a good combo going or you just reached that one point where you're just missing one piece then you finally find it and everything else starts snapping into place.

[@godlyvex5543]

By the way, you should definitely turn on expert mode, which makes it so that if you make a guess (as in, a move that was not guaranteed to be correct), the puzzle will always reorient itself to make that move false.

[@Patashu]

that sounds amazing lmao

[@andrewqi6695]

that is the most savage thing ever lmao

[@oskain]

Even a square is safe, expert mode might say it isn't and rearrange the mines wrong, one of the flaws of expert mode

[@godlyvex5543]

@@oskain I've never seen this happen and I have about 13 hours so far

[@Patashu]

@@oskain I assume that it only does that if it was not a 100% chance by revealed logic that it was safe

[@the_artless]

From the dev: Long word short, L + M is not in the game because it’s mostly unplayable. Liar and Multiple has an anti-synergy: In multiple, your major strategy is to figure out the possible gray + black combination, but liar breaks this strategy. By the meantime, multiple weakens liar by extending possible number range. This makes the combo lacking of information, painful and unplayable to an average player. (Believe it or not, the design principle is to create a logic game with high variance and still playable to an average player. I mean, 5*5 puzzles are already fun and logical. There’s no shame in playing easy difficulty in a game like this.) And Triple and Connect has a strong synergy: You need to draw a connected shape while avoiding rows of three. The only possible way to do this is turning at every place. Our puzzle generation algorithm avoids “unnecessary information” (that’s why the game is logical and tensional) and in such a strong rule set, almost all clues are unnecessary. This makes the combo lacking of information (in another way), painful and unplayable to an average player again. The same problem happens in almost every left + left combos and right + right combos. (Maybe you have noticed, left column focused on mine placement restrictions, while right column focused on alternative clues. Two rules from same side may conflict with each other.) Thus, we decided to disallow these combos in the main game. P.S. Tyler shouldn’t name this video “The Final Boss”. It's just a demo.

[@Patashu]

Very interesting dev commentary!

[@randomnobody660]

I don't see how lack of unnecessary information necessarily leads to the game being "logical" nor "tensional" (whatever that even means) thou. Figuring out what information is necessary can be a very logical process. In fact I think it could be more fun when there are multiple paths of progression rather than almost implicitly knowing any new information unlocked is most likely useful right now.

[@Joseph125]

@@randomnobody660 I think the idea is that while not all the information is necessary, most of it can be useful. This leads to cases where you can get stuck with a line of logic, then have 2 or 3 easier lines of logic to use instead. Or it just means you don’t need the logic that goes really deep, making the game too easy for experienced players.

[@eduardpeeterlemming]

Glad to know that the dev also enjoys these videos

[@randomnobody660]

@@Joseph125 I'm not sure I follow. Those easier lines of logic don't have to resolve the harder one, they could be on separate branches that converge eventually. I also don't see why depth of logic needs to suffer. As far as I can tell this game rarely needs you to consider more than 3 mines so if it's a benefit it's not being used. If we compare this to a generic puzzle game like sudoku, it seems clear to me that sudoku can have patterns that require much more insight due to not giving away where to start, and also require more layers of thinking to solve.

[@JosiahBradley]

In all my years I never thought minesweeper could be enhanced. This is freaking awesome. I love hexcells and this just goes back to the roots.

[@zarnox3071]

The fact that "[R] Mines: x (Remaining: y)" appears to be a rule leads me to believe that it may be removed in some sets.

[@eggquinox]

rule: there are no mines

[@riluna3695]

Now that's a fascinating thought. At first glance it seems to just reduce the amount of logical deductions you can make, so it might honestly be easier overall (basically every puzzle in that entire game requires a Mine Count-based solve at the end), but perhaps it will instead allow for logical combinations that are ONLY possible when you don't have the shortcut of knowing how many mines are left. I also noticed that any time you pick "Multiple" (with the two-count cells), it comes with an extra rule. [CC] Checkerboard. Implying that there may one day be different patterns of two-count cells.

[@greenbirdgaming8691]

Rule: you must fire your terrible scouts.

[@cmyk8964]

Rule: There are at least 2 mines. Good luck.

[@benbilbro516]

I consider myself pretty good at minesweeper, but this man’s quick logic and adaptation skills are so fast it’s hard to not pause the video to think lol. Beast

[@37Kilroy]

Tyler I want to express gratitude in the extra effort of organizing your videos in playlists. Most channels are so poor at it and it makes such a difference! Not so much with me bc I watch daily but if I wanna go back and rewatch some other minesweeper adjacent stuff, easy as pie.

[@oledakaajel]

I want to see a Sudoku variant, where numbers aren't allowed to be in the same row or column

[@torormseth]

This seems impossible, or at least very unfun, except on very small boards maybe

[@jamasa007]

Usually sudoku is on a 9x9 board and in minesweeper the maximum number is 8 so its probably pretty hard to make that work but if you knew how many mines and how many of every number there are it might be possible

[@riluna3695]

Actually I think this ruleset is brilliant. Size isn't an issue since this game is played from 5x5 to 8x8, and even 9 or higher wouldn't be a guaranteed problem because not every tile is a number. Mines wouldn't count against your tally. And the logic it allows could be unique and fascinating. You could theoretically force mines and safe tiles on the other side of the board. The trouble comes from the ? clues. Do they count as numbers or not? I think they have to, since the ruleset is primarily only effective on yet-unopened safe tiles. Logic like "this tile can't be safe because if it were it would be a 4, and there's already a 4 clue elsewhere on this row". And if one of the possibilites is "that clue is a ? tile and thus doesn't count as a double even though there's a 4 on the row and it has 4 mines", then all logic is lost completely. I personally would still love to see puzzles like this done, but I fully understand that to most people, this would be super confusing to keep track of and probably way too difficult compared to other rulesets. But that doesn't stop me from thinking it could be really fun to solve a few such puzzles for myself :D

[@A_Hexagon]

Oops… I always thought it always had been the real Sudoku rules… So it turned out that I was playing a Sudoku variant for my entire life :P (It’s actually fun not impossible)

[@Nexus_542]

Very much enjoy watching you walk through these minesweeping puzzles. You vocalize my exact thought process for each logic issue. "This all stems from this square not being a mine, which is impossible, so it must be a mine." That's the exact way I think when i sweep mines. Keep up the great content!

[@Patashu]

These rules combine super cool together.

[@julie-the-julie]

watching your vids is always hilarious whiplash for me, because you have this polite family-friendly tone, and you're playing brain games in a somewhat analytical educational way, and all of a sudden I hear "holy FUCK" and have to take a second to recalibrate myself

[@purpledude8952]

At first I thought the thumbnail was made wrong but then I saw that it was actually made with the +1 or -1 rule. Brilliant 🤩

[@cfilorvyls457]

I'm 1 year late but the thumbnail is in fact wrong. There's a 5 on bottom row that should have been either 4 or 2.

[@MonstyrSlayr]

I always look forward to my midnight puzzle games :)

[@bellaander]

15:03 Tyler being a masochist

[@jurrifired3441]

It would be great if there was a variant in the release that works like chess sudoku where each number accounts for the cells that could be reached as a knight (or/and other pieces) in chess. Idk if it would be an interesting variant but I'd love to see it nonetheless

[@Patashu]

I've seen knight-adjacency minesweeper before, it's really hard to reason about but maybe this game could make it work somehow. Tametsi has a lot of hex, orthogonal and other adjacency minesweeper puzzles and those are cool. Minesveeper Advent Calendar day 13 is 'looking up', where the tiles a clue looks at are the 3 wide 2 high rectangle ABOVE the clue, and that one created super fascinating shapes.

[@jurrifired3441]

@@Patashu Seeing that the puzzles here allow for very interesting logic to be used i assume it would be no issue for these developers to implement that. Also I've never heard of that being an actual thing so i learned something new.

[@Patashu]

@@jurrifired3441 This is far from the first exploration into Minesweeper variants, but I'm extremely impressed with the level of quality in this one!

[@the_artless]

Knight sweeper is one of the first four variants we tried during early design stages. It's non-intuitive and I believe it's a cool concept but unfun. We decided to remove it from the game.

[@Radar_of_the_Stars]

Such a well designed set of rules that really synergize well, I hope the devs can make the rest of them just as good

[@Hungry_Senko]

I just randomly clicked on your video and now my mind is absolutely blown. Nice video, keep doing what you do.

[@bobczech7774]

Multiple and liar rules is a D E M O N, it would be fun to try it out

[@jacoblopez8446]

Hey Tyler serious question, did you study much math during university? I know you previously mentioned that you did programming (or was it computer science?) and hence I know you’ve done atleast some math, but the way you talk and explain your reasoning about certain things really reminds me of how my pure math friends and I speak. None the less I love the content!

[@AceFuzzLord]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he had to depending on how far along he went

[@Aliensrock]

Highest course I took was linear algebra, but I was SUPER into math during high school, frequently doing math competitions. Maybe I'll talk all about that in a video one day.

[@atamurta4938]

@@Aliensrock please do, it'd be very interesting

[@johnsonnguyen6046]

Math competitions up to. AMC/AIME? or. Different. Like math counts? Or. Like. Non U.S. ones. Or like....

[@projectjavelin5948]

Featured rulesets: [S] [+] [S] - Standard Minesweeper rules [E] - We stick together [T] - Tic-tac-no [M] - Some idiot put an extra mine in the grey squares! [Cc] - The minefield is colored like a chessboard [L] - The clues are one off of the actual amount of mines near them [+] - Two random rules put together

[@masterizumi5211]

Your logic to solving these is very interesting. It made me realize how puzzles like these would work, and really made me think. I like that. Great video!

[@EpsilonRosePersonal]

Have you looked at Delete? It's a minesweeper variant played on a 3d board where you can shift panels to make different connections.

[@nekocat34]

Thank you for showing me this gem, will come back to the video after finishing the puzzles myself

[@irequireassistance3226]

the demo is over now but if you ever want a satisfying and very relaxing puzzle try #1055. i got it for my last nightmare puzzle but it was actually ridiculously easy. edit: you can input codes in the bottom left when you get into a puzzle

[@internetdirigible]

The click sound in this game is really good.

[@Goobt64]

I would be stuck on those forever! you are so good at minesweeper! Can't wait for your next video

[@jadenschalck8640]

There's an app on Android called "Warped Mines: Minesweeper Game" which is Minesweeper in hyperbolic geometry. Idk if there is a version for PC.

[@rootbeer586]

Thanks for the info, it looks pretty fun.

[@Roriloty]

The thumbnail of this video is just 🤯

[@helplessdude22]

i just love the way you commentate i could listen to you solve forever 😁

[@ProbablyEzra]

3:50 in, Liar+Multiple sounds like hell to work out...

[@tinytroll1005]

It would never happen because it takes a modifier from one of each column

[@ProbablyEzra]

@@tinytroll1005 sure, it might not be possible to happen in this game but the idea exists nonetheless and imo isn't diminished by it not being in game

[@areadenial2343]

@@ProbablyEzra Quote from the dev about L+M: "Liar and Multiple has an anti-synergy: In multiple, your major strategy is to figure out the possible gray + black combination, but liar breaks this strategy. By the meantime, multiple weakens liar by extending possible number range.This makes the combo lacking of information, painful and unplayable to an average player."

[@ProbablyEzra]

@@areadenial2343 sounds like hell, as I said =p

[@anika9505]

Thanks!

[@Aliensrock]

Thank you!

[@sinful6852]

You're uploads are my reminder that it's 12 AM

[@keane6951]

The logic is so diifficult but it makes so much more satisfying when solved

[@LexiLex421]

Minesweeper D&D: Roll a d20 for mine check.

[@pat9353]

Das some good logic magic man. I couldn’t keep up at all lol

[@TheOblomoff]

So far every single puzzle was logically solvable. Without the need to click at random. Do you think the game is made to give you one from a list of boards? Or maybe there's a good scrambler/'reverse-solver' engine under the hood?

[@quentind1924]

Its created so that you can finish without luck i think

[@irequireassistance3226]

every puzzle is bot generated, and bot-solvable (i'm not sure which way the bot solves the puzzles but it most likely brute-forces all possible possibilities to find a common result, i've had to do that myself with some puzzles)

[@lool8421]

waiting for someone for quantum minesweeper: every click is in the superposition

[@loveless1044]

This singular video taught me minesweeper in the first 5 minutes.

[@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs]

I gotta say, its rather impressive that ypu are using proof by absurd in a simple game of minesweeper, (proof by absurd or the corresponding name of it being a logical proof mechanism used in math or computer science to prove weather a statement is truw or false by asumming that the statement its true and checking if its consecuenced lead to something absurd or impossible, demonstrated when he explained that if he chose a mine, it would make certain spaces mines due to the rules, then that ramification created an impossible situation {an island} thus proving that that place in fact, couldnt be a mine) 10/10 makes me wonder what was your background, in my country for example, that is a rare sight sience is not taught in highschool, only in higher education.

[@irequireassistance3226]

isn't that how you're supposed to solve minesweeper puzzles? i never knew it was something to be taught to you but it's kind of like geometry where you do "proof by contradiction" instead.

[@Qeisama]

As always, my mind blanked so much watching this but the video is so fascinating. Tyler the supreme.

[@TheOctaveSystem]

Did you know that you can click on numbers to automatically flag and open cells in a lot of circumstances? It's called chording, and is a staple of many minesweeper games!

[@remiyashirou]

The thumbnail checks out except 1 number: The 5 in the bottom row. The rest would fit the liar theme.

[@samuelgunter]

adding the Connected rule sounds like it makes it easier, I wonder what condition would make it harder

[@ImSquiggs]

Okay this game is freakin awesome

[@顏秀蓁-g4m]

Imagine you are a minesweeper fan, and you play minesweeper like usual, then you click out a number 9-

[@lifinale]

Late to the party, but [SH] Shift: every time a flag is placed the uncovered board reorients itself. The numbers change with the new board.

[@Bad_at_Elden-Ring]

Congrats on 500k!!!

[@evelioguaperas]

Some times I feel like the game just accomodates Tyler's logic. Like, there's no way all that guessing and assuptions where supposed to happen and still the game says "well, let's go with his idea".

[@frostbite7553]

The Darksouls of Minesweeper.

[@jessveness]

Congrats on 500k subs!!!!!!!

[@SteamPaladin]

this is like cracking the cryptic but for minesweeper edit- never mind, you used bifurcation, and simon DESPISES that lol

[@nyther]

If you love minesweeper then you should definitely play Demon Crawl

[@austinwanner449]

its crazy to think that btd battles led directly to this

[@notarock42]

Just realised, this is Tyler's 2,000th video

[@ViIvaNunner]

honestly i wouldnt mind another video of this just doing 8x8 random rules ones to see some more of the combinations

[@gingeral253]

Tyler saying stuff that makes sense until he goes ten steps in and you have no clue what he was saying.

[@JordantheHedgehogsonicfan]

Now turn those letters yellow by perfecting ten puzzles.

[@Vantrei]

why was the 8 in the thumbnail only had 7 mines around it if its an 8

[@emeraldgreenz]

My brain hurts, but for some reason I want to play minesweeper now 🤯

[@Dudelegend02]

This reminds me of cracking the cryptic’s sudoku channel

[@jukerino_]

words cannot describe how much it triggers me that he still hasn't finished standard.

[@ayeitzralphgaming8052]

I’m like 15 minutes in and I’m just thinking. What the fuck is going on. This is how other people feel when I talk to them about killer sudoku

[@tritoner1221]

this game is great!

[@dragonex4723]

The real final boss of minesweeper is that one 50/50 square

[@sybro9786]

Great solves

[@mustardsandwich-wx5fi]

this guy is a genius

[@jamasa007]

5:03 tyler is the best rapper

[@michas9843]

Actually you missed that 2 adjacent greys cannot contain mines because they would count up to 4

[@lostdestroyer8400]

that was really fun

[@nerdpiggy]

these videos remind me a lot of Cracking the Cryptic.

[@kinkin7231]

this man's brain is something else

[@theresa.y5221]

idea: all of the mines are shown, but the remaning is the safe ones, but, its all ?'s. you have to draw what number it is. #iloveminesweeper

[@AgniKaiGuy]

BIG BRAIN BRO

[@G0Gamer]

Me casually going to look for Aliensrock Soduko

[@MaelZur]

My brain is f###ed after this video

[@torinnbalasar6774]

Got into minesweeper during Windows 7's days, was really upset when I learned that it was no longer bundled with the OS when I had to upgrade to 10. Never dug deep enough to find a classic version again without ads. Sooo many runs ruined by random chance allowing two possible solutions right at the end T.T

[@jagpreetsingh6711]

Btw are you gonna continue last call bbs, would like chip wizard next!

[@jacquelinekessler1283]

Grey cells: the max number isn't 8, or 10, but a 12

[@drcgaming4195]

this game would be a nightmare to code lol. still blows my mind that these levels are completely random

[@watermalone4601]

Hey Tyler, I’ve been playing this deck-building game called slay the spire and I gotta say it’s super fun. There’s tons of content and a final boss that I just can’t seem to beat, I’d love to see how you’d approach it!

[@tommasopellegrino5095]

He already played it, made 6 videos on it

[@RandomnesssE]

I need rest

[@nedmerrill5705]

This guy is good

[@petrie911]

Why are there sometimes question marks instead of numbers?

[@manudude02]

Would Liar + Multiple mean it's 1 off from the actual number and a multiple at the same time, 1 off from a multiple, or a multiple of a number that is 1 off from the actual number?

[@loganyee5226]

beat ALL the levels because then something might happen (you didn't beat standard 7 and 8)

[@Boiyu]

It’s all fun and games until you find a 9

[@Nictator42]

didn't watch the video, just came to say that the thumbnail is an impossible minesweeper layout, toodaloo

[@mangocheese3823]

I’d like to see connected and three in a row

[@hosespider]

Ok i'll watch this later, this is NOT a good video to watch at 2 am

[@TemporalZack]

Tyler's brain is too advanced compared to mine when it comes to minesweeper, so much so that I'm kinda having a hard time following his explanation as he speaks.

[@BaneWilliams]

Can I suggest for future Minesweeper Videos (full game) you could have a timer on screen? It would be great to see how long it's taking you.

[@spaceguy20_12]

The thumbnail looks quite strange

[@trytole]

Ah yes, a zero with one touching it, an 8 with a gap next to it, and a 3 with 2 flags

[@trytole]

I just realised that no square is correct, every single one is wrong

[@SuperDZ555]

I feel like in the full version that one of the rules is gonna be none of the mines can be orthogonally connected but diagonal is ok

[@irequireassistance3226]

that seems too easy...

[@dravenlee4664]

now imagine a 9 appeared

[@ZyrusRodriguez-d1f]

2:16 the 1, 4, and the line look like a face

[@MUCK-the-monster-addict]

18:03 tyler nooo

[@ImNotMe224]

How the hell is this man so smart

[@sarahwatts8184]

The thumbnail hurts me