The Final Front In Advance Wars 2, But It's Actually Hard!

[@AmazingAmpharos]

I'm glad Drake was able to secure a Sea Rank.

[@r.c.christian4633]

C-men are my favorite men, ngl.

[@superx5769]

Lol XDXD

[@Phantom_Kraken]

You should be arrested for puns like these😂

[@inversepie6512]

Mangs: Tomorrow the laser will hit. Also Mangs: Let's give him stuff to shoot at. *moves stuff into the laser's path*

[@jaxpot7775]

That's a lot of 'things' to be shot at.

[@chrisklein2924]

Looks like Mangs subscribes the Zapp Brannigan method of warfare. "I'll send waves of my own men into the alien death ray clogging it with wreckage."

[@DrEtzor]

Well they did say "hit", it wouldn't "hit" if there was nothing to hit.

[@Zetact_]

"Ah, I see! There is a shoal right in front of our harbors! Kanbei shall deploy a mountain of troops directly onto Sturm's island!" "But father, that's directly in the line of the death ray! Also, so are our bases!" "Silence, Sonja!"

[@Mangs1337]

I don't understand why KZbin refuses to upgrade this beyond 360p... Edit: It only took 8 hours, lmao

[@yoloman3607]

Gotta get the 2003 experience

[@Toast_94]

Getting 720p as of now.

[@Broockle]

@@Toast_94 I got 1080p60

[@Toast_94]

@@Broockle neat

[@inversepie6512]

I cant help but wonder... Olaf played the objective instead of trying to bait the meteor, would the fight have been easier?

[@brianli6562]

Also if he didn't throw his 2 battle ships to nini canons.

[@beforelifewaschaos]

@@brianli6562 nini canons. hihi 🤓

[@tarickw]

yeah oh MY god, so much effort in baiting en no reward

[@MrRaui]

Olaf building a lot of artillery but having no anti air is very in-character

[@gladd8869]

Olaf was probably thinking, “Idk what Grit likes about these things they’ve done Jack shit for me!”

[@badassoverlordzetta]

God this is a super cool map, there's dozens of different approaches that can lead to victory but it's still much more challenging than the original joke of a map. Mad props to Kartal on this one.

[@AnitudeX]

Mangs drinks until he realize he forgot about the laser. 34:07 IMMA FIRE MAH LAZARRRRRRRR!! DIEEEEE AHHHHH!!!!

[@V45844]

I chose Eagle, Kanbei and Grit and I was able to get a perfect S rank in 9 days. This is a really good version of the final map, kudos to Kartal.

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

*Heh.. heh.. I play Kanbei*

[@panthekirb7561]

Nice cheatcode usage

[@magnumfang]

@@panthekirb7561 He mightve snuck an Eagle bomber close to the Death Ray and finished it with his Super Power. Im sure there are even faster ways to beat this map.

[@vodkawhisperer3923]

@@panthekirb7561 you joking?

[@keenices1972]

@Kartal that's a shame, i actually like naval units or a naval match. I find ships very poggers, not just in the advance wars realm.

[@maxis_scott_engie_maximov_jr]

34:06 I was wondering "Wait wasn't the Laser supposed to fire already?" and then it immediately fired and I knew Kanbei's units were pecked up lmao

[@zacbounce3805]

Building those infantry turn after turn when you clearly don't need them gives me so much anxiety. Olaf has 10 infantry on the starting island..... with 18 days left.

[@Insulted25]

It's a good idea to build lots of infantry...in AWBW pvp

[@KalokesMysteries]

His infantry are... brave.

[@vodkawhisperer3923]

At least it improves technique

[@zacbounce3805]

@@vodkawhisperer3923 but you only get rating with the person you end the game with. He ended with drake.

[@richard35791]

hmm , using infantry as bait is basic tactic

[@KINFIN123]

17:10 Kanbei: What is this thing you call an ‘Air Port’?

[@Dubanx]

All I'm saying is that if you want Sturm to hit the artillery, maybe put the artillery into a pattern where a meteor can actually hit all of them. Even the best placed meteor would miss a lot of those artillery cause of that square shape.

[@MarkusSchober]

What shape does the meteor affect? I always thought it was a 3x3 square.

[@kingarthur3236]

@@MarkusSchober it's a missile silo so even better then a square

[@petersmybro]

My favorite part - mangs reaction to 1:18:00. The meteor completely ignored Olaf's artillery blob.

[@YugoTheAnimationGuy]

1:18:11

[@WolfOfMassDeath]

"it'll only cost me a shot from the black cannon," he says absently, leaving his cruiser for the gigantic death laser.

[@TheYutubesteve]

38:40 nice! saved maybe should've build a missle too for extra value

[@crisis8v88]

Olaf: "Commander Mangs, did you mistake me for a different Blue Moon CO? You know, one that also has a four-letter name and a fascination for indirect fire? Is this some kind of punishment my impenetrable Sea Strike a few years ago?"

[@DemonFox369]

Don’t build Infantry with Olaf if you need to save for an Anti-Air. Idle bases are okay in non-PvP

[@douglashtang]

55:23 Normal AI Sturm (or any hero that doesn't do global damage) will only pop SCOP at the beginning of turn. Smart AI Sturm is programed to also pop SCOP at the end of turn.

[@SagaciousSilence]

“Let’s build a Kanbei bomber!” Gets smashed in the face with a laser blast. “Nooooo I FORGOR!!” Lol love Mangs!

[@inversepie6512]

I liked the part where Mangs forgot about the laser.

[@soulhoney1227]

Now finally a proper final battle

[@Bethany38326]

"Delicious, finally, some good fucking final battle"

[@Flawskiii]

Hey Egghead. 20:32 What's an airport?

[@monikatheanalyst1194]

I love this. I always wondered why Sturm didn't get a factory - he would make best use of it by far and it makes sense since he's the big baddie stealing resources to invade. I never beat the Hard Campaign of AW2 but it was always about sneaking a bomber to the death ray. As we see, it isn't so easy here and everything has and needs a purpose. Especially since you have to deal with a lot more Meteor Strikes and game mechanics and can get debilitated in a single meteor or factory deployment. Well done, Kartal!

[@Hone_mor2525]

Can you get Kartal to implement this map in Mangsvance wars so we can fight Wurm with the other meme COs?

[@zapdomanic]

47:51 Jyong Xina calls Mangs at 3am (Not Clickbait)

[@Moley1Moleo]

What might be the ideal CO setup? Perhaps Kanbei on the left for the early ground battlem and for your ground units to soak more meteors that care about value? In the middle, maybe Andy to bounce back and repair after a laser, or Colin to make up for the lack of starting units so you can spool up sooner? Obviously Drake is good on the right, but would Grit for the sea be good in order to get battleships with +1 range?

[@DemonFox369]

Infantry are pretty bad at assaulting islands filled with vehicles. Your Infantry are definitely “brave” like Deejus said.

[@ninazu5979]

Way back when I was younger I always thought sturm's "weak in the snow" description as not its own downside being stated, but rather a follow up sentence which clarifies his movement advantage being inactive while it's snowing (as in, it is weakened to being average like other COs while also taking the same snow penalty). Perhaps you could think of it like whatever technology sturm might use being weaker in the cold?

[@jashloseher578]

Even the blitzkrieg stopped dead cold once winter fell. That's the gist of it, really.

[@SoldierOfFate]

@@jashloseher578 ...except while the Germans were at the complete mercy of the Soviets once they were trapped in the Russian winter, Sturm still laughs at the majority of the attacks you throw at him.

[@franbh94]

Lets take a shot every time a "Meteor fodder" fails in attracting the Meteor. See you guys in the ICU

[@derkatwork33]

This shall be a glorious battle. I’m finishing up with work and I’ll watch it later. I’m going to want an unadulterated viewing of this.

[@WavemasterAshi]

Kanbei sees bases! Kanbei must claim those bases!!

[@Anomen77]

"Laser is going to fire tomorrow". Let's unload everything we have inside it's range where they will definitely not be able to retreat within one day.

[@wadprime]

Every time Kanbei is just shy of affording something useful, I look at the dozen infantry that haven't done a single thing all game and just facepalm.

[@bvd_vlvd]

But... but Kanbei must deploy a mountain of troops!

[@ShadowWolfTJC]

Mangs isn't stupid. Seems to me like he just has ADHD (a condition that I could relate to), given how impulsive and hyper-focused he seems to be at the detriment of forgetting about pretty much everything else, which I believe is also his biggest weakness in competitive play in general. Anyways, kudos to Mangs for clearing this custom map, despite said weakness that was constantly on display. And kudos to Kartal for designing such a nice custom map.

[@Xoretre]

An actually good naval Map, congratulations

[@ManaNek]

Even though the AI isn't particularly smart, I like watching War room matches. So I would love to watch some matches vs a smarter AI. Also, when you moved your lander super early on with Kanbei I noticed the airport and wondered how long until you saw it too (I didn't see it to begin either).

[@ValeBridges]

22:55 Reminds me of how Superman isn't technically weak to magic, he just doesn't have any defenses against it.

[@johannesrehn6494]

"The end of the world ain't that bad" - Waylon

[@jaxpot7775]

"Do you remember when so and so was easy?" Clishe?

[@DD-ko1nn]

Watching you play those War Room Maps would be fun

[@randomsomewhat-kinda-quasi1065]

Hopefully, it’s a case of «Finally, a worthy opponent»

[@Barkas247]

I mean, Mangs made so many mistakes and still won rather effortlessly, so it doesn't seem much more challenging than the original. Maybe Sturm should start with a bigger army (a smarter AI would also help, but I guess that is much more difficult).

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

Dude he got a C-Rank. This wasn't even close to effortless. Level difficulty shouldn't come from actually beating it but from getting a good rank imo.

[@Barkas247]

@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox I disagree. The C-Rank does not come from the mission being (overtly) difficult, but rather from his own mistakes. At no point in time was Mangs actually anywhere near close to being even threatened to lose let alone actually lose (or at least lose an ally). None of his armies were obliterated (or came close to it), Sturm never came close to capturing any HQs and the AI did a very poor job at defending strategic points. In my opinion "difficult" does not mean you get a C or simply fail to get S or A. If anything, you should finish with E (at least the first time and considering the many mistakes that happened). To me "difficult" entails first and foremost, that you are actually in danger of failing the mission and that you actually have to think a few turns ahead. You should have to overcome a steep slope, which was never the case in this mission. Mangs effortlessly won the mission en passant, if you will, as a sideline, nothing major that was concerning him (he himself even often commented on his many mistakes). And the simple fact that 2 shots from a mere battleship suffice to win the match is almost enough to not consider it difficult, beacuse no matter how difficult it may be to actually land on the northern island - you never have to. And since the AI is still rather stupid, you can easily sneak in a battleship (probably even a bomber) and win the day with no effort whatsoever.

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

@@Barkas247 TL;DR lol

[@GundamDroid]

@@Barkas247 i agree

[@Dexterritory212]

2 of my biggest gripes with advance wars was the lack of customisation in the building map especially size until dark conflict and the limit of 3 over the 50 dark conflict one. the second was the lack of ability to place black cannons lasers factories or deathrays anywhere to make some interesting fun scenarios its great to see this being available now just for the creativity reason over having standard maps. i hope that the remake lets there be so much customisation like in dark conflict but we will have to see

[@blight00000]

I am currently 12 minutes in and I've realized that battleships are indirects, meaning they will most likely be targeted by the meteor strike. I hope that this isn't foreshadowing. Edit: 19 minutes in, it was indeed foreshadowing, as that meteor hard targeted that battleship Edit2 electric boogaloo: 38 minutes in, and it's basically guaranteed to happen again. Edit 3: dear lord this is the largest comment I have ever made Edit 4: ignore edit 2 Edit 5: this I now a stupid joke

[@robertharris6092]

Not even sturm can beat the power of mangs math.

[@makohidari4723]

well. that is quite an upgrade in final map. And a naval battle too. Makes me wonder how things would go if sturm started with a bigger army and without global damage. I guess Eagle might have to sneak a bomber in there. C rank for a difficult map and lots of dumb mistakes. Still. a victory is a victory.

[@Zetact_]

Sea rank for Drake.

[@jashloseher578]

Kanbei must have mistakes too!

[@Malouinesriant]

I would have loved to see missions where you fight multiple Black Hole COs at once like the final battle with both Sturm and Hawke

[@rhysofsneezingdragon1758]

I wanna see what happens if Kartel decided to tackle the AI in days of ruin

[@MrL564II]

Would love to see you do some war room maps with the smart AI. Those would be fun

[@dan_thesaint]

I would love to see you play the custom war room :)

[@rodrigocofre693]

egg: aw2 sturm is easy sturm:kartal i need your map NOW kartal: sorry egg you gonna suffer~

[@idonkat6097]

More like Sturm: Kartal I need your map and brain upgrade NOW

[@rodrigocofre693]

@@idonkat6097 good add up

[@ninjaexperto7217]

At 11:00 why not use the infantry to scout the sub?

[@divicarpe1844]

Once again, you ask yourself why naval unit are so bad (and Drake is so bad). I think it's a balance thing who was overcompensating: once deployed the naval unit shooting at distance is a better rocket: better mobility (at least on map with more than 4-5 tiles of water), and better range. So they had to make it costly (but they made the cost a bit too high, around 18k would have better in my opinions). Next submarine: they can shoot down easily a so costly unit, so they need to also have a high cost, but less than the previous. I would that with the given cost of the indirect unit I can't remember the name of, its cost is logical. But if the cost of the other boats were lower it would be needed to make his own lower as well. Same thing for the last battle boat, the cruiser if I don't make an error. The lander is closer to a logical prize. With the campaign (and war room) having so much pre-deployed units, the utility of an unit who can move any two terrestrial units at one time across sea was a bit overestimated. I would have make it 9-10k instead of 12k, but it is adjusted when you think about the game itself and not the competition who appeared later. And finally, Drake. If my theory of a late balance change overcompensating the power of naval unit is right, then Drake was really strong before that change just because of the +1 movement, but they didn't changed it during that change to naval unit, so it's also bad.

[@CuddlyTheMadElite]

Drake is definitely not a bad CO. You can definitely choose him as an alternative to Olaf because of his COP and SCOP alone. His only weakness is having slightly worse air units, which is attack power, and air units are known for being volatile units (for better or for worse). But Naval units could definitely use a price buff and some other buffs, considering they are exclusive to their own little microgame.

[@SynergyGamingTV]

I really love watching your content Mangs. So entertaining... keep it up!

[@Fion355]

Seeing you suffer in Warroom sounds good. And try to S rank it while your at it :D

[@Sadpersonsclub]

I would have probably moved drakes rockets and missiles to the shoals above, and then replaced them with apc’s on that little island 🏝

[@LanEXHikari]

You forgor! ...again Remember when you were theorizing that the meteor's AI wouldn't hit the highest priority target if there was a friendly unit in range? Also, when you realised you were in need of AA or some other units, you could have combined infantry or straight up save a little

[@christopherdecock703]

I think Grit would shine here over Drake. But I think Grit is always a better option in any map, even the predeployed ones that give no ranged units.

[@MarkusSchober]

I definitely wanna see those War Room maps! 🗺️

[@wolfetteplays8894]

58:32 this moment made me laugh my ass off 😂😂😂 it’s like a Greek tragedy

[@mistychemist]

I had a feeling something like this was coming when kartal posted that video about what happens on the 29th day

[@GundamDroid]

This is a really cool map, cant wait to try it myself. I don't think sturm was really offensive here (compared to AW1 / AW2) Reason being its very tough to program AI to be smart in naval based maps. The ai always wants to have landers, they never build battleships, and they dont load "effective" units into landers and drop in strategic places. they'll send their unguarded landers right thru enemy sub infested waters. at least sturm can be threatening with air. Naval maps are my favorite though, doing beach assaults of land mixed with naval support is very hard to do but satisfying!

[@OneWhoKnowsThings6009]

Sturm needed like 20 Predeployed units

[@robertharris6092]

1:31:10 wait the big ass tank from super famicom wars is in the credits?

[@M30W3R]

Mangs, I have a small question for a very niche situation: if an unit is going to run out of fuel, be it naval or aerial, but it's situated next to an APC, at the beginning of the next turn will it crash or will it be refueled? And, would it work in both mainline AW titles and AWBW?

[@melfice999]

I believe the game goes >Resupply >Check Fuel > Check if Fuel = 0 > Plane Crashes. It does it this way to evade things such as a fighter crashing because it is "landed" on a airport.

[@M30W3R]

@@melfice999 I see, many thanks

[@Posby95]

@Karsa hyena Yeah, that's what I thought. I remember that after a tsunami or typhoon I had planes about to crash so I put them next to an APC thinking they would be resupplied at the start of the turn... but then they just sank. FML.

[@cccpredarmy]

I want to play this so badly. where can i download it? Haven't found it in the discord links below :(

[@georgesears934]

1:25:50 Soldier who dedicated their entire life to defending their homeland and is about to lay down their life in a heroic act of self sacrifice, hearing their commander call them "worthless trash": 😢

[@Ricardo_Rick]

If only he put a rocked in the middle of the artillery blob, it might have worked

[@mrtango1824]

Damn, this game looks sick. I really wanna get the advance wars 1&2 reboot on switch but its so far away till release. Im looking at getting a ds version to wet my apatite (i have a 3ds and switch). Which of advance wars: dual strike or days of ruin (or other) would you recommend?

[@GundamDroid]

dual strike is more related to the game youre seeing Mangs play (advance wars 2). Days of ruin has completely different characters and different units. Personally i have every single game and would recommend dual strike. it has more things to offer aside the main campaign, more characters and more units. Its a much more fun game compared to days of ruin in my own opinion.

[@shichuanhoo3833]

I guess we can see that he sort of struggle with the PvP vs PvE mindset here. Where his PvP mindset is too dominant clouding his judgement to focus on combat units for him to take objectives. Good play while trying to keep viewers entertained in this long video, but pretty sure we hope he could improve when it comes to PvE maps.

[@MenardiChan]

Why is the video only available in 360p? Or is that on my end?

[@jashloseher578]

Kanbei must have barbecue too!

[@scooote9478]

This map is as hard as schools think boys get when they see a girl's shoulder

[@OmegaVitaminC]

I can't seem to find the download link on the server. Did it get deleted?

[@Davtwan]

An hour and thirty of Mangs. Today is a good day.

[@yamatanoorochismith1625]

Wanted to try this map but don't see the file on the server, is it not up yet or am I not looking hard enough?

[@rRecoveryProd]

Hmm... can this be converted into an AWBW map?

[@Podzhagitel]

some of the choices made in this video were just baffling LOL (in an entertaining way)

[@Polaris5664]

0/10 needed to use grit battleships lol.

[@SucyTanuki]

For some reason i expected 3 deathrays

[@idonkat6097]

Yeah this map is still too easy, we need Kartal to stuff 3 factories, 3 deathrays and 3 Sturms in this map.

[@scooote9478]

@@idonkat6097 60% day to day defence and firepower literally bulletproof day-day on mountains/hq balanced

[@gicrueldad9520]

@@scooote9478 I mean, I think Sturm is a cool villain, so, I still imagine he could be the bad guy on a hyphotetic Mangs Custom COs hack Campaign, BUT buffing him, since the COs are kinda powerful (Gustav and Spec are just too dumb xd). Increase his Day to Day from 120/120 to *125/125* , *make Meteor Strike a 9 or even a 8 Star Power* AND *ignore enemy defensive terrain stars* (and remove Snow penalty of course) , Gustav OP? Ha Ha Sturm units go brrr.

[@JoseMoreno-gu2bf]

Drake got a C (sea) rank.

[@alexandregalien-guedy8327]

Where is possible to find this map ? After first impression map is Easy no ?

[@DemonFox369]

Are Battleships considered indirects for the meteor?

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

Yes

[@Seymour_Richards]

the meteor bait thing seems to work very well for you

[@sturm2186]

Fun fact its my birthday on December 12th

[@soulhoney1227]

Happy birthday sturm here have a present :3

[@randomsomewhat-kinda-quasi1065]

Happy birthday! …even though i’m 3 days early!

[@rarianomajoy57]

How old are you?

[@mk-ultraviolence1760]

Wonder if he can hack it further to allow you to use Hawke, Drake and Olaf. The global damage triumvirate. 6hp damage to all enemy units.

[@artstsym]

The first meteor was a pathetic infantry meteor that had two Kanbei infantry and some other value as its absolute best target. 😂

[@baldbro3693]

Ask, and Kartal will create.

[@Mattyrocks1000]

I was literally saying to myself i bet mangs didnt notice the airport on olafs first turn, and low and behold! 😂😂

[@forktruckbill9446]

26:48 What was that?

[@forktruckbill9446]

Nvm, he mentioned what it was.

[@soulhoney1227]

Thanks kartal to increase the dificulty

[@kittogashi8561]

Me at the start: Kartal did it. Six seconds later: Yep xD

[@piranhabones]

Kartal really is the mvp

[@bernizubi5217]

These are always interesting.

[@TNTColonel]

Xenesis Xenon... been a while since I heard that name.

[@TNTColonel]

@Kartal Preach. My first encounter with Xen's work was like 15 years ago, via the balance hack on Wars World News. Glad to know the legacy lives on.

[@theoutlander1411]

KARTEL WAR ROOM WHEN MANGS!?

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

I feel like Sturm could gave gotten away with a bigger starting army. He might be smarter and better placed, but he was kind of a non threat just out of virtue of having no units.

[@magnumfang]

He does have a factory though, which is pumping units every turn. Plus his bases.

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

@@magnumfang Well, he doesn't have the funds to use those bases, so that point is mute. As for the factory, the factory is helpful, but know this, "A unit now is always better than a unit later". Would you rather fight a Sturm that starts with 10 Mechs or a Sturm that on turn 20 in a 20 turn game gets 50 Neotanks? By the time the Neotanks appear the game is over! This is why Mangs said the maps this fella makes "Get harder over time", yes, that's true, but harder means nothing when you yourself also get stronger, and are able to snowball harder than Sturm can. You have three COs, Sturm is one fella, with a super power that gets harder to use over time while everyone else gets theirs easier. Even the laser that can be a cop-out of a "secondary power" is very predictable and generally just worse than a super power. Now, if Sturm could have more units at the start to buy him time to actually snowball properly... Maybe it'd be more balanced. Keep in mind, Mangs played rather poorly and still managed. Olaf did nothing basically, for example.

[@shiftfire4511]

...So...ah....When's the Lunatic+ version? Y'know, for the real masochists?

[@jaxpot7775]

What? Is there just going to be cannons everywhere?

[@shiftfire4511]

@@jaxpot7775 Honestly, I was thinking of some mini black cannons in particularly annoying spots (probably blocking or covering some paths) and a second Factory. Just to really make you suffer. And give Sturm more properties, for extra funds. Probably place some ranged units with them in very defensive spots. Reinforce the units Sturm has on the player island. Finally, I would do the very cruel thing and give Sturm a small number of Subs (like, 2-3) hiding right at the beginning. Probably with that AI alteration so they stay hidden.