The FIRST DOPED Cyclist with EPO || A Story of CRAZY OVERDOSE

[@cyclingstories]

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[@fromcarlawithlove]

At 2.26 you show not Theunisse but Lubberding, the first rider with long hair. Someone that never doped . Berthius Fok never was a doc he was a soigneur .

[@dangurtler7177]

“Never doped” seems doubtful.

[@Diksjim]

i can throw out a guinne accent pretty well not bad for a kerryman hi

[@jakobh.4422]

dang that extremely unsympathic voice, it sound like you had a stroke? if so from drugs?

[@AvB.83]

"He was so doped, he tested positive in the 80s." 😅

[@marcopaganotto9125]

He still tests positive to this day 🤪

[@patthewoodboy]

@@marcopaganotto9125 funny

[@bradford_shaun_murray]

4:16 woah

[@Akkodha-]

@@bradford_shaun_murrayhe could have ran and still go just as fast

[@joshuasasfire2759]

😂

[@djevelkjokken204]

Teammate of Andy Bishop here. He was the only non-doped on PDM for the Tour. Raced against all these guys in the early nineties and holy cow they were unreal. Came back from racing pre-Worlds races in Italy and I was flying. Years later an ex-Soviet doctor told me that was "passive doping", where you're not on anything but everyone else is. You get crushed, but once recovered and in a non-doped competition, you are the crusher.

[@fernandovega5722]

I know him personally from Tucson, AZ and I know you are right. He was always straightforward and clean. Thanks for letting us all know the story.

[@barretmc]

lol passive doping i thats funny

[@lostalone9320]

Kinda true though... If you're training to compete with doped guys, then you'll be pushing so much harder and when the dopers are gone...

[@davidkennedy4845]

Like training on a heavy bike and racing on a light bike.

[@billpugh58]

They didn’t catch you😂

[@DrtyALGreen]

Dude Tour de Pharmacy is so funny. Hilarious you threw the clip in.😂

[@tobiasmessias1]

more drugs than a Cypress Hill concert. Best line ever

[@Raydar1234]

Instant classic 😂😂😂!

[@cenobitek]

Its just nice to hear someone using their real voice to narrate instead of that AI crap.

[@外人癡]

I subscribed just for that reason .

[@owenconnolly3041]

Agreed and he has a good Story Telling voice too !! Kinda Old school ! Don't hear that style much anymore, Story telling is gettig to be a lost art

[@DiegoDneo]

"more drugs than in a Cypress Hill Concert..." GOLD!

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

... more drugs than* ...

[@DiegoDneo]

@@einundsiebenziger5488 thanks

[@MarvinMonroe]

Than* Come on man you're smarter than that

[@MrAudioBill]

From 80 to 83 I was stationed in Panama with the US Army. There was a circuit and a road race every weekend. I had the opportunity to compete with Parra, Herra, Cochise, AND the US road team in those years. My experience leads me to disbelieve that lumbering hulks could be the mosquito-like Columbians in climbs. I was painfully aware of their prowess in climbs. As always, a great Cycling Story!

[@TheLemon333]

These stories remind me of the tabloid papers in the check-out line at the grocery store. I don't want to look, but I can't help myself.

[@ChrisBKurimu]

Well done story. Really great watching and seeing all the riders I loved in my teens.

[@brianmessemer2973]

“More drugs in the PDM training camp than at a Cypress Hill concert” “Our trotting protagonist worked like a Roman charioteer’s horse for the pigeon pie-eating doped man” “That scene was absolutely grotesque” “Today’s kids would say…cringe” “The climbers almost 2 meters tall”

[@jerrychicken967]

Just a note, alpe d'huez is known as the Dutch mountain. Quite a few Dutch winners there. Also, I only recently found out that blood bags were against the rules only until 1986. This means previous winners would use blood bags including Hinault and, Merckx. I think Rooks won Leige which shows he could climb. Off their trolleys of course but that's cycling 😊👍

[@glywnniswells9480]

And probably Anquetil too his lady was a nurse and went to all his races

[@TheRongy]

Zombie apocalypse!😂 You guys should write an encyclopedia on doping in cycling! Great video, thanks for posting!💪🏻🚴‍♂️

[@janscanulfsson9295]

Great episode, great script & delivery, plus bonus for points for John Cena - did he think we couldn't see him ? I remember Rooks riding well in the Kellogg's Tour of Britain ( 87-ish) and his transformation from classics rider to crack stage racer was truly remarkable - how little we knew back then.

[@donaldduck4888]

I think we had a pretty good idea. But hadn't realised the technical breakthrough that EPO represented until a bit later. It took a reasonable amount of amphetamines along with appalling cycling medical ideas - have a nip of brandy at the bottom of the Ventoux, don't drink too much on a 7 hour stage through the South of France etc to kill off Tommy Simpson.

[@vancespearman8777]

Love the stories. Please keep them coming

[@vinzzzze]

My father was a promising talent. He had the chance to become a professional cycler in 1976. But then allready doping was dominating cycling. He told me insane stories. Pills, needles, hormones,… A real sick world. He put his bike away, completely disillusioned . He always told me: ‘ Son, play football or wathever you want, but don’t start cycling. It’s pure madness behind the screens’

[@siyabulelatshali1012]

😮😔😔😔😔 Wow.

[@batmonkey]

Same story from a good friend of mine who moved from the UK to France in 1995 to join a semi-pro feeder team. He left rather than start doping, since it was obviously expected of all the riders, and has happily raced in amateur events ever since.

[@neologian1783]

Great video. My only objection is that way too many people seem to think "doping" sorta "took off" with EPO in the 80's-90's. EPO was just a technological leap forward.....but the use of banned substances and other performance enhancers (whether real or imagined) have been in widespread, almost ubiquitous, in pro cycling since the 60's.....and before that is was preceded by chicanery and outright cheating.

[@littleloner1159]

That's so interesting! I think it is because very little is known about the pre 80s area of doping (by the larger public) because no one ever talks about it and it's very difficult to find actual information about it. Tho technically is was definitely possible, body builders also started doping back then. Would only make sense cyclists did too.

[@stevqtalent]

when the tour de france started, you could just buy cocaine in the pharmacy, gotta wonder how high those dudes were

[@QOTSAPT]

Oh good old days when cheating meant taking the train mid stage.

[@tornagawn]

Long before…….amphetamines, testosterone, Belgian beer

[@MightyJabroni]

PDM ... Perfect Doping Machine

[@philallan6685]

Love these - the scripting and voiceover is bang on and very funny. "I'm sorry for those of you who don't believe in miracles..."

[@deathkampdrone]

How about Francesco Moser finally winning Giro d'Italia at age 33, after having been a disappointment in the Giro in the four seasons running up to his win. Notably under the guidance of his doctor Francesco Conconi. That one in hindsight makes me think of Bjarne Riis winning the tour at age 32.

[@ЗВЕРОБОЙ-л6к]

Bald bjarne riis... JESTER Bjarne

[@francescocarzoli4945]

Conconi at time was a God in blood transfusions

[@stevesidebottom2124]

At age 33, when pro riders are in their prime? Sometimes better to keep your mouth closed

[@Thetoad738]

I think that was more helicopter than drugs.

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

@RollinRat They also eliminated an HC climb in a mountain stage that would have definitely not been one for Moser, due to "bad weather". But when reporters went up the pass they said it was merely chilly, not dangerous at all.

[@pichihimunoz2891]

This vid is amazing great footage from the 80s and good work in the story. You deserve millions of suscribers

[@afischer8327]

Your story of tragedy and comedy is appreciated. The earliest admitted use of EPO, and the PDM Team's cynicism. All played out with a nice orchestral waltz. Heavy sprinters and rouleurs were dancing up the mountains, and us poor souls were looking at these fine folk, entranced.

[@nickvledder]

As Dutchman I have always been curious about the Dutch PDM-team. Thanks for aswering many questions. To this day Gert Jan Theunisse denies being doped and claims he has a special medical condition.

[@gladtobeangry]

A number of years ago he was a guest in de Avondetappe. I've only been following cycling for about 15 years now, so I had no idea who Gert-Jan Theunisse was, but he looked like a survivor of a nuclear disaster, or someone on the verge of dying from a terminal disease. If that guy was clean, I'm a coat rack. One of the most visibly doped riders I've ever seen in my life.

[@Planetarchitect]

@@gladtobeangry "Your cannot ride the Tour De France on mineral water!" Jacques Anquetil. Keep in mind that quote is from the late 50's early 60's which gives an indication as to how long doping has been going on in cycling.

[@valter_vava74]

@@Planetarchitect Anquetil publicly admitted that he took amphetamines part of his normal racing regime. It was normal at that time, so doping in cycling is old news.

[@fraidnotsfortunatefew282]

@@valter_vava74 Yeah, and they used cocaine in the 1920s.

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

@@Planetarchitect Even the 1st participants tried doping themselves upon whatever they thought would work, but, ofc, it really took off after WW2 when Europe was awash with US amphetamines (which is what they handed out to their soldiers like confetti to keep them going).

[@uselessDM]

That bycicle pump on the Greg Le Mond cover is certainly a vibe.

[@Stufferburg]

Just found this channel. Unreal should be at a milli subs

[@gedrooney9305]

Well it’s the last day of this years Tour De France and here I am, trawling. Good video, subscribed ;)

[@KevinKimmich44024]

Vinokourov would be an interesting one to cover; some of his performances were so obviously aided that it only took a pair of eyes to see what was going on. I don't remember which Tour it was but he went from struggling at the edge of collapse in one stage to fresh as a daisy with afterburner power in the following day's TT--maybe 2007? I had no clue what was going on during the LA years, but by 2007 a lot of the story was out and lots of the people watching were just "oh come on" during that whole tour.

[@nighttrain1236]

Yeah, it was something like that. Didn't he fall off a few days earlier and suffer terrible road-rash? That mid to late 00s era was probably peak denial. Cancer-jesus Lance was too big to fail.

[@KevinKimmich44024]

@@nighttrain1236 yeah, exactly, I am remembering the crash now. He was really struggling, then was reborn like he had motors for legs. It was extremely suspicious... It's like they all went over the top in that edition and it was too obvious... I can't remember exactly when all the dirt started coming out. They were providing the demonstration of the advantages conferred by juicing

[@holmbjerg]

Well Vinokourov did test positive and was kicked out of the 2007 tour.

[@colintainter4856]

@@KevinKimmich44024 but if they all were doing it, how was it so noticeable that they were doing it?

[@martinhensbergen569]

When you turn off the light, Vinokourov gives light in the dark. So much dope he used!!

[@robbienl8176]

My uncle beated Rooks in the amateurs in the 80's before Rooks went pro. My father spoke to him a few years ago he stlll remembered that race, Rooks is a nice guy.

[@AdeboFunkyVoodoo]

I remember watching that Tour. It was a good one. The following off season didn't Rooks and Theunisse demolish the time for climbing Alpe d'huez but then fail on the stage in Le Tour? It was a long time ago so I may be misremembering some of the details.

[@TweedSuit]

Rooks and Gert weren't 80Kg. Miguel Induráin was.

[@spidyspidy1340]

Could you make a video about Stefan Schumacher and Bernhard Kohl pls

[@Thetoad738]

I felt bad for Parra. He should have won the 1988 Tour.

[@englishteacherdon]

Great point! I wonder if Mottet really won in 1991, and Hampsten in 1992. It would make sense.

[@NikauCottage]

@@englishteacherdonAndy Hampsten was one of the most honest & nicest guys in the peloton of his era. I’m quite confident he was one of the cleanest, & even though he did have a lot of success, I think he would have had more if pharmaceuticals were not a factor.

[@eriktempelman2097]

Pronunciation tips: it's Rooks with the oo sounding like the o in coke. Easy to remember. And the eu in Theunisse sounds like the eu in the French word jeu.

[@sergiobarros2697]

At 5:04 i hear prestigious « turd »….dunno if on purpose or my lacking of english skills..-.but for sure made me laugh…thx so much….your videos are so entertaining and informative

[@colm-u8m]

brilliant as usual

[@gazza0209]

I have a friend who was a very competitive amateur racer in the 80's, he told me most of the top amateurs were doping in one way or another.

[@lipsterman1]

That's where it got really dangerous. Doping under a doctor's care is one thing. Doping oneself is another. I heard stories of a lot of amateur European cyclists dying of aneurysms in their 30's.

[@m.k.s.p.7746]

@Gary Daly: True -- many did, and that's all I'll say except that there were some very good riders that didn't dope (including the then-legal blood doping). First-hand experience. I retired at the end of the 1984 season.

[@chokehanson1830]

Raced in the late 80's to mid 90's in the UK & for a while I reached 1st cat level (albeit a pretty average one) - there were whispers of riders at our level who were kitting up. They'd be getting their arses kicked all over the winter months, be absolutely nowhere for the first few months of the season, then they'd pretty much disappear before coming back in the heads down & elbows out end of the season & clean up. It was regular gossip & banter that these riders (only a small number, not a lot) were taking something & I know the two of them have now sadly died due to health complications & I also know one guy (a regular speed & cokehead even during the season) who later took his own life. So even at amateur level it was still happening - and for what exactly? Maybe £30.00 in an envelope for winning a local crit. I had neither the talent nor the ambition to ever take it really seriously so i slid back down ghe categories & just raced for fun. The sport was fucked even then & I've no faith in it ever cleaning itself up now.

[@owenconnolly3041]

@@chokehanson1830 Good Information ! Thanks !!

[@michaelsteven1090]

Love these doped riders much more than today's "radio racers" ..at least they were thinking about how to win and not waiting for instructions..

[@cedrichennert4869]

L

[@brianmcg321]

Christian Vande Velde said it best in "A Road to Paris". When the radios don't work the rider will just sit on the back waiting for instruction. Just blank. Like NPCs, or when a game controller goes out.

[@robertdinterman758]

I totally agree. Racing was so much more exciting. I haven't watched the Tour in years. Just boring now.

[@tman5634]

You love doped riders. That says more about you than the doped riders themselves.

[@Raor1820]

@@brianmcg321 Pogacar removed his radio the other day towards the end of the stage :D

[@andrewince8824]

"More drugs than a Cyprus Hill concert". I'm howling. 😂

[@dickieblench5001]

Love the 88 tour!

[@leeh3023]

More drugs than a Cypress Hill concert

[@Sills71]

PDM stood for "perfectly doped men"

[@IslandPink]

This was interesting and informative watch, until 6 seconds from the end.

[@marcusaurelius49]

This guy doped EPO so much, even his jersey was growing red blood cells in the thumbnail.

[@mrbaileybass]

Great vid 👏

[@TheCrushah]

I very much doubt EPO was used pre 89. It wasn’t approved for use until 89 and was very hard to manufacture. Testosterone, cortisone and transfusions can easily mimic EPO behavior though.

[@rafaelwillems3244]

Basically you say this video is a con job, just like old school cycling often was. Agree.

[@Alex-pr6zv]

EPo didnt become a gamechanger in distance running until about 1993 when another dutchman Jos Hermanns came along with Haile Guebresselassie et al.

[@TesterAnimal1]

Not approved? Yeah I’m sure that’d stop them.

[@rg807]

Agree. As Lemond said, all of a sudden around 1991(?), guys who couldn't even hold my wheel started dropping me, and did so without being out of breath.

[@rg807]

@jlm6448 Lemond was the hands down the best rider in the US by age 17, won the World Championships in 1982 and should have won the Tour in 85, all well before blood doping. You don't really think Guimard came all the way to Reno to sign an American because he thought he needed blood doping I hope.

[@ronc7743]

Everyone tries to make Lemond out as so innocent. I don't believe it.

[@KevinKimmich44024]

I would love to believe lemond was clean since he suffered so bad during the epo era and since he was a hero when I was a young man. USA cycling had that blood doping scandal back in 1984, though... So if that method was already out there and was used by the Olympic team, it's not hard to imagine it was pervasive.

[@213tpg]

It's very hard to believe a clean guy can beat everyone at the highest level when almost everyone else is doping. Possible he was clean but for me it seems unlikely anyone winning was clean in cycling for a very, very long time.

[@gerardvdelshout]

He beat people “clean” in an age where they were already doing blood transfusions, testosterone etc. And a BS vo2 max story. Blood doping literally increases your vo2 max.

[@Shopsmith10er]

LeMond was a loaner racing in Europe and wasn't exactly as an accepted team member. Furthermore was closely watched over and scrutinized. Do you see why his teammates weren't as tight with him? It's because he 'wasn't like them cheats. Ps Put Hinault on the cheat list. He's admitted to it.

[@leenverkade]

I have doubts about that too. Though on the other hand the clean guys do Paris-Roubaix 1 hour faster now than the doped guys in the 80s. So its possible, and Lemond definitely was inventive. But dont think he was that far ahead of his time.

[@Mist7676]

Roche the godfather of doping. Collapsing and almost died only to recover and win. Its a miracle as Lance would say

[@MitchVanVit]

It was an inspiration as Floyd Landis would say !o!

[@tommykarate5126]

What about Kelly did he do the same as the rest ?

[@kingdc72]

Great video and recap. I would suggest that Andy Bishop was not doping and that his performance over the rest of his career confirms that.

[@fernandovega5722]

Thank you. You are absolutely correct. I know him personally and he won't do that. Good call.

[@adamkwalczyk]

I gotta give you credit for such a dope thumbnail.

[@flachi32]

Gert-Jan still the last Dutch KOM winner in Tdf but now hardly able to climb an escalator at age 59.

[@rafaelwillems3244]

So?

[@flachi32]

@@rafaelwillems3244 it is sad how his health deteriorated so quickly partly due to his substance abuse

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

@@flachi32 He was also hit by a car at one point (I think on foot, not riding), causing partial paralysis.

[@gmoerkerk8342]

He is still amazingly fit and riding extreme offroads

[@ryanb974]

Love you opened with clips of Roberto G

[@henrik5284]

Could you do a video on today's magnificent ride by Mr. van Aert? Breakaway from km 0 and yet full of energy on the final climb to leave Pogachar behind....! And all this after having spent day after day in the race attacking. Oh yes, history will remember this fantastic rider and his incredible Tour-performances 😆

[@irl-cyclist01]

Jumbo juice

[@miguelpereira9859]

Dude casually dropped specialist climbers and looked like he wasn't even hurting until last km's of the Hautacam lol

[@Raor1820]

Agree something suspicious. I am more likely believing motordoping.

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

WVA is on more 'weetabix' than the rest of the fucking peloton combined. He was that fast at the start (50km) that the other couple of riders couldn't even slipstream and hold his wheel, and he rode the 1st 20 km SOLO ! That effort would have fucked anyone up, but no, he didn't even need to wipe his brow and instead proceeded to power his way into every break during the stage too. And he's done this DAY IN DAY OUT, and the ONLY thing the commentators can do is fawn the fuck all over him, pathetic. The ONLY reason he stopped after Pog had been dropped is because if he'd carried on, which ofc he was more than capable of doing, it would have had people talking. I'm pretty sure that if he had wanted to, he'd have blown Ving away as well to the finish. The rest of the peloton know he's as daf, but, ofc, they can't speak out. He makes Armstrong and God mode Basso in his giro year and Riis in his TDF year, look like innocent choirboys. Rest of his JV team on his 'weetabix'? ofc, but not as much. Take Ving in the TT, as an example, the guy's only 60 fucking kilos but was in the lead for most of the way until he dropped off slightly due to him almost having a bad accident, probably got a call through his radio 'slow the fuck down'.

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

@@miguelpereira9859 He wasn't even hurting after Pog was dropped, but if he didn't slow to a crawl once JV was safely in the lead it would just have been too fucking obvious.

[@gilean6179]

I had posters of these guys (PDM team et al) in my bedroom when I was a did in the early 90s. Jeeez.

[@robbienl8176]

Awesome team

[@paulsummerfield6357]

Delgado was on EPO too a few years before

[@rolffuchs2737]

So, it will never happen again, that a tall rider riding in the wind will win a sprint and a mountain stage and a time trial?

[@jnavonoD]

LOL van Aert wants a word.

[@GSXK4]

My own experience with TRT is it makes you about 25% stronger after 6 mnths to one year. At a much older age, too.

[@Baltimoreborn]

I was teammates on team monex with Roberto gagioli the long-haired Italian guy in the beginning of the video

[@RaulVeldhuizen]

I watched only a couple of minutes and there I already noticed a hugh mistake. Adri van der Poel is called Matthieu! (as I hear it, English isn't my mother language). Imo this puts the whole video on another quality level...... I reason: if such a simple thing isn't accurate than what about the more complicated aspects?

[@pcdispatch]

Adrie was a cyclist and is the father of Matthieu.

[@RaulVeldhuizen]

@@pcdispatch everybody knows that. But why is (or was?) he called Mathieu?

[@pcdispatch]

@@RaulVeldhuizen , you are right, I l played it back a few times and it seems it is a mistake.

[@jeremyfisher8782]

This video is great AND .....comedy gold! Perfect narration and damn funny as well.

[@DrtyALGreen]

Haha I love Tour de Pharmacy...I quote it quite often about motocross. "There are hundreds dollars to play for....stakes are minimal." Lol

[@EwenNicolson]

It's AI.

[@TwoWheelWarrior]

Way to go buddy!

[@EMC2Scotia]

In the reference to Rooks confessing in 2009, was this to undertaking blood transfusions during the '88 TDF, as was reported on Cyclingnews when the team soigneur at the time Bertus Folk discussed what they were doing? No mention from Folk or anyone else at PDM states EPO as being used this early, to my understanding. Perhaps you know something we don't, or it fits the narrative to pin point EPO's beginning here, rather than say spring 1990 and the Italian renaissance? A couple of other relatively minor points. Theunisse weighing 80kgs? I don't think so! When Parra won into Morzine in '88, he went away on the descent of the Corbier, linking up with a team mate who launched him onto the Pas de Morgins. Rooks, Simon and Claveroylat were behind and not overtaken as said, however they did clip off the front in the final km once the group reformed to contest 2nd. Fignon had a tapeworm during this TDF and knew he'd not be in contention, Bernard I recall developed a urine infection whilst Herrera over raced in the lead up (Vuelta, Dauphine, Vuelta a Colombia) and peaked too early to do anything against Delago and the PDM's. Finally, there were 3 who spoke out at the time against what was happening, being Bauer, Boyer and Hampsten.

[@cyclingstories]

Great comment. Rooks didn't use epo in this tdf but yes in 89. As we said the key in this tour were blood transfusions of both pdm riders.

[@drunkensailor112]

@@cyclingstories rooks has never said he used epo in 89. The first epo guys where bugno and chiapucchi in 1990.

[@cyclingstories]

He confessed in a book with Jakobs and Hermans

[@drunkensailor112]

@@cyclingstories no. In that book it is stated he started using epo after 89 without being specific on the year he started on it

[@jaspermeinema4830]

Wasn't it Conconi prepping Moser for his world record hour race? And way earlier, the runner Paavo Nurmi?

[@jnavonoD]

Good thing today's massive gains in average speed are all thanks to aerodynamics. Enjoyed the vid, thanks mate.

[@TesterAnimal1]

Us plebs have yet to find out what they’re on now. It’ll come out eventually.

[@jnavonoD]

@@TesterAnimal1 Nah they are full natty bro 🤡🤡 haha...

[@needfoolthings]

What monsters they were at the time! Today, only a drop of fish oil under the tongue.

[@foobarbazquux]

Rooks looked great in the polka dot jersey

[@silverarrowslk]

Just got to say that being tall doesn’t automatically negate a rider from being a good climber. It’s all about power to weight ration or w/kg as it’s known now. The start of the video mentions these two guys were giants. You can be short and your power to weight ratio isn’t good. So again being short in height doesn’t mean that a rider will be a great climber either.

[@cyclingstories]

Of course. The thing here is this 2, like Froome or Riis didn't had any climbing hability until this year (Rooks were pretty good at short climbs but not in 20 km passes)

[@caseysmith544]

Yes, but in this case the guy was not known to be a good long climber. Yes, there are short guys who suck in Mountains due to how they handle the altitude, but they often are good at hot days not in Mountains, the really long days, or are built more like a small time trialist/sprinter.

[@tman5634]

@@cyclingstories Your frank thoughts on Hinault, Froome & Indurain would be great to hear in a video?

[@baswalpot]

The disdain with which you pronounce Dutch and Dutch rider and Doped Dutch Mountain (or Dooootch & Dooootch rhaidor & Dhhooped Dooootch Mount'n in yer irish little babble) really tells the whole tale to me.

[@ramilv739]

Doping is the soul of cycling. Like the scream of a v10 engine in Formula 1. Both need to be brought back.

[@terencej72]

It's good that Cycling Stories acknowledges that Serie A was awash with dope in the 80's and 90's We all should know what Dr Ferrari said about the Spain National football team in the early to mid 2000's. Cyclists are an easy target when talking about doping but loads of other sports must do it. I know a famous former SPL (Scotland) footballer who said in his 15 year SPL carear he was tested no more than 2-3 times a year. I'm not accusing him of taking PED's but a couple of tests a year is a joke

[@pichihimunoz2891]

Love that style of long vids, learn a lot

[@torreylincoln2658]

You’ve got your facts wrong on this video. While Rooks and team were doping and he has admitted to it, they weren’t using epo in 88. Read the admissions of the soigneur who administered the drugs they were using. Also you can read Rooks admission about when he took epo, and it’s after 88.

[@cyclingstories]

89

[@thecasualfront7432]

Great thumbnail

[@jeez0r]

gartian toonissay maddeleen vanderpole , that accent lol

[@reddiver7293]

80s bicycles, 80s hair. What a trip.

[@grachtschrap]

Interesting times in the world of professional cycling.

[@albsamuel9154]

“Untalented professional”…good one😂

[@silverarrowslk]

Theunisse @80 kg’s? 😂. Where did you get that weight from as it’s way inaccurate

[@cyclingstories]

In 89 he was so much thinner but in panasonic his weight was 77 kg as we watched

[@drunkensailor112]

@@cyclingstories what is your source for him being 77 kg?

[@cyclingstories]

Biography (didn't autorised so doesn't know it's 100% true) of Wielaert

[@robbienl8176]

With all that hair he must be atleast 80kg 😅

[@pietkonijn5522]

Hij die zonder zonde is werpe de eerste steen ! Laen we wel wezen, vanaf 60 gebruikten alle (?) toprenners middelen.

[@frugalferg]

I'm not sure I like your comment about Sean Kelly, 'always failing in the mountains'. Clearly you have a fantastic knowledge of cycling therefore as you well know, Sean was a sprint and classics specialist, incredibly successful in both. WVA is a modern day Sean and pound for pound, the best cyclist in the world but he's not good in the mountains. WVA and Sean, imho are/were never considered as Grand tour potential winners because of their specialisms. Horses for courses. Of course, I stand corrected. Keep up the fantastic work you do, well done.

[@Greg.Sutton]

Sean Kelly was for a short period for sure a Grand Tour GC contender... taking a few top 10 placings at the TDF in the early 1980's and also a 4th & 9th overall in La Vuelta before finally winning the Vuelta in 1988.

[@frugalferg]

@@Greg.Sutton you're 100% right. I forgot about his Vuelta win. So, I'm wrong. I'm glad because I am even more in awe of the man's achievements. Incredible.

[@bobjackson3735]

And Wout not good in the mountains? Did you not see him win Mt Ventoux last year? He may not be a serious gc contender, but he can certainly climb...

[@robbylong2748]

I thought I was the only one that made the comparison WVA to Sean Kelly and he being the modern day Kelly, I agree 100%

[@stevozrepto5558]

Kelly won tour of Spain 2 Times buddy

[@jimbouldin9164]

Strange video. Some nice racing footage, but otherwise a disjointed collection of assertions and suggestions. No actual presentation of evidence.

[@VeejayRampay]

lmao denial eh?

[@blackrul3z]

Yeah... Evidence? If you think anybody can touch the top 0.1% in any physical sport with good genetics, rice, chicken and a lot of training only, you are dumb af. There are no natural guys at the top. 0... After a lvl dedication, hard work, good trainers, etc are just not enough, and you can use roids, or you are stuck... Robert Förstemann was a famously "natural" guy... Yeah... Guess what. Its impossible to build legs like that... Naturally... Its a pretty easy thing. If you don't use roids, someone else will. And those will just crash you. And on the top lvl, they get the best sht, with the best doctors, to make sure they dont get a positive test ever.

[@PcCAvioN]

Honestly I couldn't even tell exactly who this video was about.

[@VeejayRampay]

@@PcCAvioN Steven Rooks, who *admitted* to doping using testosterone, amphetamines for his whole career and EPO after 1989

[@gerritdeheij]

@@VeejayRampay he is atleast honest the others takes and keep their mouths

[@StevenBornfeld]

"...being more fired up than Kanye West when he saw Kim Kardashian with Pete Davidson."

[@pierovittori1076]

You sound very Irish Love the vid 💯

[@independentmind1977]

Love it.. "More drugs at PCM than at a Cypress Hill concert"

[@hendrikheemels8615]

Delgado even was caught being doped in the Tour of '88, but wasn't punished for it. Unbelievable.

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

Problem was, he didn't actually break the rules. That doesn't mean he was clean though.

[@swissbiggy]

@@PhilAndersonOutside Nobody was and is clean. Sadly it is always the cycling sport we point at, because it ain't much better in Athletics, Biathlon, Triathlon, Tennis, Weightlifting, Nordic combination, Swimming and a ton of other sports.

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

@@swissbiggy Disagree with "nobody". But I'll admit every sport is dirty, and goes through waves where up to 99% of all competitors are doped or cheating in some way. There are no "waves" where 99% of competitors are clean.

[@jcsieger9648]

@@PhilAndersonOutside Steve Bauer was clean

[@onerider808]

4:25 The clip of the roided-out bodybuilder on a bike was epic.

[@c3ell]

It's been commented here before ...you deserve millions of subscribers

[@mg4861]

10:40 Grotesque the same of today, when you see a 55-60 kgs climber do time trial Better than a 80 kgs specialist. What an "electrical" show.

[@AvgDude]

These are all performances of Floyd Landis quality.

[@skylineXpert]

In Denmark we have a song called EPO sangen. Made by red warszawa by rewriting a christmas song

[@77Fortran]

Is it a good song?

[@IzdSammy]

The key evidence of this video is likely BS. IIRC, journalist Mart Smeet interviewed Dutch cyclists of the 1989 Tour for his 2009 book "Het Laatste Geel", and some of them admitted EPO use during some point in their career, not necessarily in the 1980s. Yes, it was a book about a 1980s Tour and Dutch cyclists and EPO use, but rarely nobody bothers to quote from it directly. Also the revelations about doping use at the 1988 PDM team made by the soigneur and by the team doctor Peter Janssen make no mention of EPO, but they instead used transfusions.

[@cyclingstories]

So they doped in 88 and used epo. Thats what we said

[@IzdSammy]

@@cyclingstories One Dutch cycling forum way back in 2009 quoted from an article in which Steven Rooks clearly emphasizes that his EPO use took place far later than in 1989, even when Mart Smeets's book was about the 1989 TDF.

[@Marksmith2-qu6tl]

My niehbour is mechanically doped he passes me everymorning on his giant ebike at 60 ks hour and cheeky says have a good workout

[@charles9215]

Please do one on Roberto Heras. I think he was the most doped climber ever

[@robainscough]

They asked Lance Armstrong if he would dope again, he said "yes". Sadly doping is in all sports now, M. Marquez in MotoGP ... so much doping that he lost bone density and is the reason why Marquez took years to recover from his injuries where most riders took just a couple of months. Doping does all kinds of nasty things to bone density making the bones very fragile and will not heal properly. If you want to investigate doping, strongly suggest you poke around in MotoGP but don't be surprised if you get met with threats.

[@jamesascher8147]

back when bikes were still bikes

[@Jakiou]

ROLF SØRENSEN IS CLEAN!

[@FreeMTrider]

EPO? Where did you get this info? If you speak to LeMond he will tell you the first real signs of the rocket fuel EPO didn't occur until 1991. He said riders who were not even in the top 20 were now competing for podiums. Although it was stated to be around in the late '80s, it seems it didn't make a full impact until the '90s. That's when the peloton changed and went faster with no slower days or recover days during the TDF or grand tours. Everything else pales in comparison to EPO.

[@drunkensailor112]

rooks has never said he used epo in 89. The first epo guys where bugno and chiapucchi in 1990.

[@cyclingstories]

Yes, he said it in a book

[@drunkensailor112]

@@cyclingstories no in the book he said he used epo AFTER 89.

[@cyclingstories]

In the spanish translation of the book said he doped with epo in 89 tdf

[@cyclingstories]

Otherwise, if the translation were wrong, after 89 is 90 too so he was in the same way of the italians

[@drunkensailor112]

@@cyclingstories well then that is wrong. He specifically says after 89 without being specific in the year. But one look at his results should tell you it was 92, just like fondriest in 1993. Riders who suddenly had a second life.

[@simonloo1588]

Now I know what I try to emulate Delgado or rooks performance on 89tdf I never come near lol…..I was Inspired that year Tdf as a naive teenager then

[@eriktempelman2097]

Oh, and the oe in Van der Poel should sound like the oo in fool. Also easy to remember.

[@daniellancaster4419]

At 5:50.... whats the matter ,,, are we not allowed to call HIM Robert Millar...?... When He was a pro cyclist he was Robert Millar not Philipa York....pffff. ... world's gone mad for fear of upsetting someone