The First Roman-Jewish War from the Post-October 7 Perspective

[@tigersforever4577]

Just a marvelous lecturer, who manages to serve the truth with a spoonful of cherries.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Thank you so much!

[@Ann-gn9ns]

I always enjoy your lectures. When you ask for questions, could you please repeat the question for viewers because we can't hear them. We will then have a better understanding of the answer. Thank you.

[@josephtein3835]

He always says he's going to repeat the questions ... and then he rarely does. Nobody is perfect!

[@paulineh7600]

Thank you as always for your insighful teachins. I discovered Dr Abrahamson 2 years ago and completed the Jewish History Lab. my late father, loved and prayed daily for Israel and I carry this torch now. 🇮🇱 🙏🏼.

[@144Donn]

As a Jewish History Scholar, Dr. Abramson you should be the loudest proponent of Jews learning self defense. It should & could be beautifully integrated into Jewish society & ethics just as the Chinese Shaolin schools have done. Yeshar Koach on your continuing work to educate us and spread light in the world!

[@MitzvosGolem1]

" history is often lies agreed upon" Napoleon. We see that happening today exponentially. תודה רבה שלום

[@ThomasBoyd-w6f]

Awesome thanks. Excellent discussion on Ancient history.

[@alexandernabiulin9912]

Been waiting for an episode like this one for long. Thank you!

[@esty6374]

Fascinating as always. Best historian ever.

[@EdHird]

Another great lecture by Dr. Henry Abramson, focusing on a fascinating part of history, of interest to both Jewish and non Jewish people. The parallels between the first Roman-Jewish war and the tragic Oct 7th situation are compelling.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Thank you Rev. Hird!

[@jenniferannegollop5323]

Wonderful, as usual!!

[@matthewsainsbury2367]

Beth horon is also the place where judah maccabee won a victory against the seleucid army of antiochus epiphanies as well

[@matthewsainsbury2367]

Very imformative

[@lvgdeadgrl]

Thank you so much for posting, Doctor! I missed the Zoom :/

[@tigersforever4577]

As always, Dr. Abramson is one of those who are a non pareil in the field of history, Judaism and the eminent minds both past and present. I agree the Jewish people are the most resilient.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

I appreciate the kind words

[@siggiAg86]

Shalom 🇮🇸

[@jamessanborn3043]

Prayers for lasting peace in Israel and her neighbors. 🙏💕

[@MichelleTaylor-e8d]

why is herod so widely referred to as Jewish? his mother was Ishmael and his father edom ?

[@josephtein3835]

Speaking of "messianic fervor:" Henry, I would love to see you do an in- depth presentation on the sources of the Messiah concept and prophecies in the Hebrew Bible. Since this is such a key, fundamental issue in both Judaism and Christianity, I am very interested in knowing its origins and would love to have you leverage your knowledge and research skills to elucidate this topic for us. What are the sources of this Messiah idea/fervor, and what exactly did they prophesy? Many thanks! (I hope you read this comment.) 49:38

[@rightclick7266]

Eschatology is not half as emphasized in Judaism as it is in Christianity. While it is a basic tenet of faith for Jews to believe in the coming of the Messiah, it is only known in vague terms what exactly we are waiting for. We know enough to recognize it when it happens, but that hasn't prevented some of us from falling for false Messiahs.

[@josephtein3835]

@@rightclick7266 Henry has an interesting, detailed talk on the false "messiah" sabbatai zevi. Sad how people are willingly duped by hucksters.

[@josephtein3835]

@@rightclick7266 Have you ever seen the Chabad bumper sticker that says "we want Moshiach now"?

[@rightclick7266]

@@josephtein3835 Be careful; you might insult Christians and Muslims.

[@rightclick7266]

@@josephtein3835 Yes, what about it?

[@scottnovins5298]

In his description of Josephus, Abramson curiously neglects to say that the narrative of Ben Zakkai’s sneaking out of Jerusalem’s seige, meeting Vespasian and arranging for the founding of Yavneh’s yeshiva is 100% taken from Josephus’ personal narrative. Moreover he fails to mention that Josephus too, fifty years earlier than the rabbis essentially proposed gratuitous hatred as the problem causing the revolt. Though Abramson is kinder to Josephus than most Orthodox scholars, he too simply cannot face the reality that the Rabbis so sympathized with Josephus that they made his story theirs.

[@baddbeliever]

at 22:45 the school play piece is also interesting because the language being used is specifically Shiite in its way to subconsciously sway the Sunni palestinians to follow them in this movement. the words are Rawda Huda Islamiyah. the word rawda is garden but it is historically used as a ceremonious/memorial garden for shiite shrines as the normal word is hadiqah. huda is a strong word used by mainly hezbollah and shiite lebanese for almost everything from their daughters to schools and institutions. language is very powerful in painting a picture needed to brainwash its audiences. and professor at 119:23 you say the levantine greeks are more like ethnically arabs. would it be safe to say they were not called arabs yet? i thought other semitic groups lived in everywhere from chaldea of the ur region all the way across to southern anatolia and north western syria. isn't arab later a term given to them after their language takes shape circa 300AD which becomes an identifier when the standard language and racial pogromization occurs after caliph omar 250 more years later? looking at the left over evidence in aramaic churches which have 4 disctinct cultural divisions, they were grecoized aramaic peoples, not just aramaic speakers, because that civilization had identified these different semitic groups and there was no other language they spoke. the 4 dialects have their original languages, persian, syriac, armenian, etc embedded within them.

[@bell1095]

40:49 Correction: Gaza, Judaea and Samaria did NOT become part of Israel in 1967, but in 1948 by the Declaration of Independence from the Mandate for Palestine, literally all of Cis-Jordan, due to the principle of international law „uti possideti iuris“. In 1967 Israel regained sovereignity on its own land, that it lost in the war of independence in 1949. That war was illegitimate because of the aggression in violation of the UN-Charta by Jordan and Egypt. Gaza, Judaea and Shomron are therefore not „occupied land“, but legal territory of the State of Israel from the hour of the declaration of the State of Israel. A state connot „occupy“ nor „annex“ its own land.

[@mikeklein9923]

Has anyone actually failed ?

[@thomasdonovan3580]

The pride of Thunder Bay

[@TheMalka770]

The journalistic lies as you say the damage has been done once done hard to rectify at all if possible

[@ekesandras1481]

Don't start a war against a militarily wastly more powerful enemy only because you cannot hold in your ethno-nationalistic religious fervor. Better live a peaceful live under their rule instead of rebelling against it in vain. Which rebellion against Roman rule was ever successful, in Gaul, in Illyria, in Egypt, Spartacus? None of them. Which attack on Israel was ever successful? 1948, 1967, 1973, Intifada No.1, Intifada No.2, October 7th 2023? None of them.

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

I always watch Prof. Abramson's videos with great interest. One question regarding this one: Are stories of the Jewish-Roman wars, however interesting, and they are interesting, really relevant to the present day conflict between Israel and Palestinians? The ancient wars were fought at different times, in a different geopolitical context, and… yes, by different people. There are no more Romans today, well, we have Italians, Spaniards, the French, but twenty centuries is a long time. Similarly, the Jews of today are not the same people as the Jews of twenty centuries ago, neither culturally, nor genetically. There is no Temple, no Sadducees, no Essenes, not even Pharisees quite like back then. For starters, the Gemara was not written down for another 400 years or about. At the same time Jews have been interacting closely with Arabs and with the world of Islam since its very beginning fifteen centuries ago. Shouldn't this interaction and its history be given more prominence?

[@deborahbluhm8828]

We are the same Jews genetically and culturally we were mostly enslaved and expelled by the different conquering empires to their motherlands. In the diaspora we were mostly segregated by our host countries so it allowed our genes to stay intact with our ancestral dna.

[@xanatax1844]

The Siege by Romans seems like it should be compared to The Crusades by … also Romans, kinda?

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

@@deborahbluhm8828 Not the same. DNA tests show that Jews of today carry Mediterranean genes, yes, but also a lot of other genes, more than 50% actually. Culturally, Jews of the day were very different. The rulers of Judea were the Sadducees who rejected the Oral Torah and any writings other than the Torah itself. The Temple cult reigned supreme. Tanakh itself was disorganized. There was no authority deciding what went into the canon. The present day Rabbinical Judaism (there are other versions, e.g. Karaites) is anchored in Mishnah (200 CE), Gemara (500 CE), and in the Masoretic text (600s to 900s CE). None of it existed in 70 CE. Neither did Jews of the time speak Yiddish and Ladino (or English, for this matter), and drink Slivovitz.

[@deborahbluhm8828]

@@zdzislawmeglicki2262 Of course Ashki Jews have European dna as we’ve spent so long in exile here. It doesn’t change our Levantine origin dna that we also have. Jews read from the Sefer Torah I’m not a scholar in Judaism so I don’t know the answer to your other question only that the main foundation of Judaism is the torah which we constantly read from and it was written in the first century.

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

@@deborahbluhm8828 Actually, the Torah was assembled from various writings during the Persian period, 450 BCE to 350 BCE. It was translated to Greek, on explicit request of diaspora Jews who no longer spoke or read Hebrew, in 200s BCE. The oldest ( incomplete) manuscripts of this document, known as Septuagint, date to 100s BCE (Rahlfs manuscripts). The oldest Hebrew copies of the Torah, found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, incomplete too, date as far back as 250 BCE.

[@angusmackaskill3035]

Israel did oct 7

[@syedzainrehan]

Biased, hateful, and full of misinformation! Saddened, but not surprised 🙂

[@sunrayrosin7181]

You need to examine the 9th of Av and how it relates to to the Jewish people. See how many times this one date and time has been repeated in the history of the Jewish people to this day. Also, check into biblical astronomical events and how it relates to this very year. Even the names are the same as it was in various times in history. Then look into the language and numbers and see how that fits like a puzzle peace. The Romans are only part of the story. And they are still in play to this day as well. Enjoy the rabbit hole. And yes, Christ is King! And it’s all written in much much more than the Bible alone.

[@jesusrajaimesbe]

I think that what Netanyahu is doing to Palestinian people is achieving that all humanity is getting tired of Israel policies... just yesterday they bombed a school... so please as good Jew, and an expert in history say something about this Prof. Abramson

[@deborahbluhm8828]

When a school is filled with terrorists, weapons and their control room how is it still a school?

[@deborahbluhm8828]

You should be questioning the Arabs (that conquered and colonised our indigenous ancestral homeland from the 7th century onwards) why they let this happen not Jews from defending themselves.

[@jesusrajaimesbe]

@@deborahbluhm8828 I can not ask for something that happened 1300 years ago... But we can do something about the now

[@deborahbluhm8828]

@@jesusrajaimesbe How we’ll do you know our recent history or do you think that Israel and Egypt just put up a security wall because the Palestinians we’re having too many loud parties?

[@jsrgev]

The Arabs use schools, hospitals, and mosques as military headquarters, precisely to provoke anti-Israel reactions when we justly go after them there. Why do you fall for it? Or do you honestly believe that an enemy that purposely erases the distinction between civilian and military areas should be immune from counterattacks?

[@ThomasBoyd-d7j]

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[@channahcastelobranco]

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[@liamkelly1312]

Hasbara very one sided with massive lacuna-disappointing from such a learned historian

[@aaronchambers9888]

As a Jewish History Scholar, Dr. Abramson you should be the loudest proponent of Jews learning self defense. It should & could be beautifully integrated into Jewish society & ethics just as the Chinese Shaolin schools have done. Yeshar Koach on your continuing work to educate us and spread light in the world!