The Fishing Gurus Podcast

[@stevemccrory9130]

HOW F'N GOOD IS THIS PODCAST EPISODE? Dare I say, the best yet. Matt, thank you. Toby, thank you. Guru Fishing Tackle, thank you. Dave Harrell, super-thank you. Best angler you've ever fished with? Stevie Gardner. Absolutely. Remember Cremona / Spinadesco Canal. Amazing trip. Still got the t-shirt. Time for the Closed Season to go....for all the reasons you mention.

[@TackleguruTV]

Wow! We're glad you enjoyed the show. We hope to have Dave on again in the future; he was brilliant! 🙌

[@johnhorsfield7706]

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[@marksaunders9292]

@@TackleguruTVI can’t seem to leave a comment in the main comment section

[@markgallagher3409]

The greatest river angler of all time, a true angling legend ❤

[@TackleguruTV]

Absolutely! 💪

[@stevenowen9279]

Next to Ivan Marks

[@jayv5256]

Entertaining and enlightening, thanks for taking the time to do this gents, very much appreciated. cheers Jason ps 8lb Chub!!! what a fish!

[@tonyhansom3160]

Guys this is the best Podcast yet, brilliant. I have fished for many years and Dave explained the closed season extremely well and I am with you guys, we should join together and abolish the closed season once and for all. Well done all.

[@DaveHarrell-cu3zk]

Hi Tony. This was 40 years ago when there was a lot of tension in Ireland, as you know. The army lads in question apparently made themselves known to a lot of people during the week in bars etc and in turn, created a very big risk that ultimately resulted in a bomb and deaths/ injuries. My comment was based purely around the risk factor that all of us were put in, that’s all and I still believe that thought is correct, 40 years on. My apologies if I’ve offended as that wasn’t my intention and I can assure you that I have 100% respect for our armed forces. In this instance, at the very least, a very low profile or better still, non attendance on the festival would have been a much safer option.

[@steveharper1702]

Hi Dave I was due to go to the Sealink with my friends but I had just joined the RAF and they stopped me from attending. Hearing my mates describe the bomb goin off still sends shivers down my spine. Tommy book describes what happened to him and its an amazing read.

[@GJoynt-vu5yi]

I burnt the midnight oil to watch this podcast. Absolutely brilliant. Well worth staying up.

[@TackleguruTV]

We hope you got some good sleep in the end .. 🤣

[@ericthompson3729]

The best pod cast I’ve seen I met Dave at twyford when he was filming one of his waggler videos the man was a star and a gentleman

[@lusty444]

One year a group of us from Kent went up to Bewdley for a week and we stopped at Fosters to get some supplies and DH was in there at the time and he spent a good hour giving us advice,good areas etc. We caught shat loads and I stuck with a float most of the time and had great fun!

[@lusty444]

It’s a bit of a long shot but if anyone has any back copies DH course/match fishing before it went all Carpy Billy Makin would love to get hold of his original writings as the original manuscripts are long lost. If anyone has please get in touch as they could be scanned and emailed to me and I can print them off and give them to him. Thanx in advance.

[@MidlandAngler]

Grew up fishing the warks Avon in the 90's . I idolised Dave and stood behind him many times at the John smiths . He would turn to us kids and explain what he was doing as he set his tackle up before the match . I still watch his videos on Twyford farm during its glory days . Thanks Dave 🌞🎣

[@phve2jh8]

Thanks for for taking the time to produce this podcast. Really nice to hear about life outside of commercial fisheries and carp from one of the best river anglers going. Dave has had a huge influence on my own fishing, still does.

[@TackleguruTV]

No problem at all, we are glad you enjoyed the show and thanks for listening! 💪

[@mattbough4530]

Fantastic podcast, Dave is a angling legend! Plz make the blog happen

[@mickwalker7219]

Best podcast so far . Dave is so genuine , I love his intelligent answers and ideas . Even the excitable Matt pulled the stops out on this one . Respect to you fellas . 🤘🏻

[@fishwithandy]

Brilliant Podcast , the sticky mag story had me crying , so funny ,

[@johnclarke-vs9qe]

I remember Dave Harrell's editorial tribute to Ivan Marks when he passed away. His memories of how he met Ivan and the "aura" that came from him was something that was a privilege to all those, myself included that met and got to know him. Dave was a superb angler himself, up there with the best river anglers like John Dean, John Allerton, Wayne Swinscoe etc.

[@Nick-v2d]

Dave Harrell was my hero when I still lived in England, brilliant podcast guys! The 4 hours seemed like 10 minutes.I still have 3 original Dave Harrell float rods and a stack of his floats. I still use them, especially the speci wags, to catch the American versions of barbel, chub and sometimes carp.

[@richardhunt6350]

Great! watching this now. Going to be a late one. I have Daves Clean River Angling videos. Would be interesting to do a Podcast on those videos. MARK Downes canal ones and Irish fishing. Jan' pole & feeder on the trent & so many more. They were the original fishing videos and would be a great retro fishing media podcast.

[@stevemccrory9130]

Now available on YT. Click the 3 dots at the bottom right, before you go "full screen" and you can save them onto a playlist for later.

[@tallshort1849]

Love the Jan Porter ones. Could watch the pole fishing one on the Avon all day

[@Ive_gone_fishing]

Dave Harrell always makes me think of the Art of Fishing folder I collected as a kid. Wish I hadn’t thrown it away.

[@moto46]

Brilliant podcast probably the best one with all the changes in the world since 1876 why on earth is the close season on rivers still in place?!

[@DanielSmith-xf1ix]

Dave u are brilliant I’m from Worcester and to hear about u on my favorite rivers made my day Dave u are 1 of my heroes

[@paulelliott3839]

Great pod! Happy memories of being in junior Starlets with Ken Aske and doing work experience with Dave at Midland Angling Products and Fosters! Great to see the pics of Dave Hinton and Ken! Great times! Thanks for the pod!

[@paulstrange9979]

Absolutely brilliant

[@robwalker651]

Great podcast probably the best yet.Now then about the close season,in this weeks Keith Arthur article in the AT he mentions "Yorkshire's stolen fortnight"when we tykes could "start" fishing on the 1st of June however we finished 2 weeks earlier as well. In reality we had been fishing since April 1st which was the start of the Trout season but we could use any method or bait,so it was just carry on fishing but no match fishing until June 1st as keepnets were not allowed.I caught stacks of fish in the Yorkshire rivers,Chub,Trout,Dace,Roach etc.The only fish i ever caught that looked worse for wear was a Chub which should have been around 2lb but weighed around a pound which had obviously been recently spawning.That fish looked worse than it actually was as it was after the bait to put some condition on.So from April 1st all the way through until the "proper season started" the glorious 16th to come across 1 tatty fish is not bad going.I think the powers that be need to have a rethink but there needs to be a compromise somewhere along the line as i hope that most anglers care about the rest of the animals that live around the rivers as i do.Dont forget Spring is their breeding season too and March is when they get their annual sex lives started.

[@davidatkin6597]

Dave wouldn't know it but he has been massively influential on my love for river float fishing. He even helped me scoop the top prize in Improve Your Coarse Fishing's "ask the experts" by answering my question back in the mid 90s. Top bloke.

[@darrenlea5947]

Thanks guys. I’ve been looking forward to you getting Dave on

[@TackleguruTV]

Hope it was worth the wait! 🙌 You've got him for over 4 hours ..!! 🤣👍

[@barryjaques3065]

What a great podcast that was, old time stories & modern day. Really enjoyable to listen to, took me back. I still use a 13f DH waggler rod i bought about 1988 for silvers. Well done Dave

[@rened.5998]

This was the most wholesome podcast I've ever watched.

[@WoolavyLeeWilliams]

I bought a load of the speci wags when they came out to use at viaduct/avalon etc down here in Somerset. Still have loads of DH sticks etc which get used very occasionally.

[@cathunter124]

Dave Harrell the river god Thanks for the podccast totally agree with the close season to be scrapped

[@williamshenstone1630]

I was part of the Birmingham starlets juniors team under Ken Aske that won the national on the Leeds/Liverpool where we won all five sections outright and our reserve won the reserve match too ,,, we were the best junior outfit in the country by a mile and it was all down to Ken Aske ,,, what a legend .

[@kierandavis1219]

The best river of all time, and a fantastic,story teller.

[@johnbutton7550]

Fantastic as always. Agree with Dave about Closed Season, its a massive joke that walkers, boaters, canoeists etc can still use the water, yet those that pay a license to fish cant use them for a quarter of the year; or is that half the year due to flooding.... Tight lines all,jb

[@johnsmith-px1sr]

brilliant podcast ..these old legends have some great stories to tell .

[@MrDavidpocock1]

Best Guru Podcast ! Thankyou Dave and Matt !

[@craigfay7656]

Got to be up there with the best podcasts , great listening bought back so many memories with the gozzers and sour brans and Ireland in the late 80s and 90s

[@carldyson9342]

Really look forward to these podcasts everyone as been brilliant

[@simonhailey2614]

What a great podcast as always, I love Daves comments about the close season and I believe it is definitely time for a change things change and nature changes hopefully in the near it will change

[@Horsepowerimages]

Dave is one of the first blokes I think of when it comes to river fishing 🎣

[@PatrickJHNewman]

Respect - to both Matt and Dave. Thanks for a great podcast.

[@TackleguruTV]

Thanks for listening! 🎧

[@pedrobandino5391]

Great chat with Dave, what a superb series of chats, keep them coming

[@TackleguruTV]

We will do that; who would you like to see next!? 🤔

[@pedrobandino5391]

@@TackleguruTV Had a chat with Matt at the Big One Show, and would love to see Jon Arthur, but I don't think that could happen. So many great characters out there and good to hear from people I don't know too much about.

[@staan68]

Great podcast! And over 4.5 hours without a break!! I used to fish with Mustard 90340 hooks and Shakespeare rods on the Trent. Now I fish with Harrell stick floats and wagglers 😃. I also have some current Shakespeare rods for puddle fishing and they are actually very good, but not for the river

[@StreetBob-tn1ed]

for many years my claim to fame was that dave only beat me bye 1lb 6 ozs off the next peg at twyford i was on 125 though great bloke putting so much back into the sport and a top angler

[@ChrisJackson-tv2rj]

Followed David since I was young. Brilliant angler and a gentleman. He creates unique, high quality tackle. That I highly rate and use. In both commercial and natural venues. Brilliant interview - thank you David and the Guru team. 👍👏👏👏👏 As for the river season. 100% agree it should be abolished. Control given to the clubs and water owners. As responsible anglers we monitor the environment far more closely and regularly than anyone else. If we see a bird nesting we stay away. If we see a bird or other animal in distress we help them. The number of river anglers on the bank isn’t huge. Mainly because too many clubs limit numbers. Which is another issue. And it doesn’t help the cause. That also should be addressed. The old thoughts that anglers damage the banks is nonsense. Dog walkers etc (me included) - still walk the banks. Thanks for pushing the issue. Others such as Joe Carass are also trying. As David discusses. Surely it’s in the Trades interest to join up and make the change. 🐳🐳🐳.

[@chrish5869]

As a very keen angler starting in about 2000 as a very naive 12 year old pre internet and not knowing any adults to learn from we relied on people like Dave for the little bit of knowledge. I remember going to the big one show the last year it was at Thorpe park. I remember taking £100 which was all my Xmas money and whilst my couple of fishing mates spent all their money on a couple of the latest carp rods or boilies I bought a 15ft float rod a beautiful little shimano reel and about 20 DH floats. I lost 2 the first time I took them out and never used them again. I moved out of home probably 20 years later and a year after my dad brought me a box of 18 prosotone flots he’d kept in the loft for me. My 15 year old son is now a very keen angler and spends a couple of hours on the river after school most days and whenever he asks what he can take out the shed my answer over the last couple of years is take whatever you want other than the John Wilson float and feeder rod and don’t even think about touching the DH floats. I take 6 with me to the eye each year and still have 11 left. Amazing angler and lovely person the couple of times I’ve been lucky enough to bump into him. Always had time to help youngsters and could tell he was flgenuinely excited listening to a cocky teenage cockney talking about trotting for rich and dace as by this point most youngsters were only interested in carp

[@neilkaveney411]

Fantastic episode totally agree with the closed season debate its now a total waste of Time the rivers have been closed since October only just getting back inside banks

[@markwalter4423]

Agree with all comments regarding crazy closed season, great podcast

[@paulcole4902]

I started fishing when I was 4 years of age, now I'm 54 and so i would love to work for any fishing industry or fishing company because fishing isn't just fishing it's a passion😊

[@rolandjones8323]

I agree with Dave on the river season and brilliant podcast 👍

[@mulletmanpete]

Great episode. I'm not a coarse angler, let alone a match angler, bu t I do use a lot of DH products for my estuary mullet fishing. Very interesting to hear to hear how Dave got where he is. I'd love to know if he's ever done any mullet fishing. They are absolutely fantastic sport fish and a lot of the skills and tackle of the river coarse angler are completely transferable. I'm current loving my DH 4g bolo floats! Going forward I'd really like to see Jamie Hughes on one of these. I enjoy the stuff he does with Andy May and Andy's was very entertaining. I'd imagine Jamie would be similar. And how about getting Frankie across the table. He must be just about the only one of the Guru team yet to feature!

[@nickmitchell8930]

well done guru another great podcast, loved listening to your stories Dave

[@TackleguruTV]

Glad you enjoyed it! 💪

[@raymondhaines574]

I agree I fish the severn and have just lost all winter to floods so do away with the close season

[@FISHINGMINTY]

I use Guru F1Pellet size 22 hook to 0.11 NGauge for a lot of fishing where the fish are shy - small but strong so doesn't put off small roach but can handle carp easily.

[@paulcole4902]

I can tell you exactly were the fish migrate to in the winter from the river trent.. into the river Tame

[@barrymillward3944]

Brilliant podcast, brought back a few memories for sure, rivetting the four plus hours flew by, thankfully I had my Pi** and fish so did'nt miss a second🙂Cheers guys.

[@LostinDigitalShow]

Absolute Legend...learnt a lot from Dave's early Videos and Articles. also never seen Matt so quiet 🤣

[@karolsarach6191]

Hi lads. Fantastic podcast Dave true legend. Matt it's truly amazing what you doing here. If it comes to close season. There was a article recently how EA sels less and less licenses. Why you think that is ? I buy my every year. Fishing mainly matches on commercials now ,rivers are still my love. If it's not a match i will take plesure fishing on the rivers every day. I mainly fish thames in London where I live it's 15 minutes drive and you catch 60lb of bream and roach. Problem is from 16 of June you can only fish till around October then river gets flooded and pulls like a train. And then finely when it comes down around April there's close season. So you only get good 3-4 months in a year. That's only 16 weekends. with family commitments. You're lucky to get 8 sessions in a year. Not much, I'm afraid.... You rerly see youngsters running around with a rod this days. If nothing gonna change then sadly rivers gonna get forgotten.....

[@johnbean9834]

Thanks Dave. I had SLV 1978. Pro Carbon was £400.

[@StreetBob-tn1ed]

ive fished for 64 years and you have to think of the bird life so many birds have become rare that where common when i was a kid that live bye the waterside and thay breed bye the waterside

[@chrisellis4599]

Not really a river angler but really enjoyed this . Amazing Angling brain

[@TackleguruTV]

Glad you enjoyed it! 🎧🎣

[@rotti163]

Tempting to start this now but its definitely one to listen to at work tomorrow

[@glov961able]

Too late for me,I couldn't resist...

[@geoffreystockton7639]

Probably the best blog yet took me back years about gozzers ,sour bran specials done hundred of tubs over the years wouldn’t go on the Shropshire canal without them ,bred gozzers off lots of things even a pigs head my mate left in my garage time for bed now couldn’t stop watching thanks Dave and good luck next season

[@TackleguruTV]

Everyone is staying up for this one! We hope you all enjoyed it and got some good sleep, too! 🤣 ☕ 😴

[@paulcole4902]

The reason the close season came about in the 1800s was because we had alot more Salmon in our rivers back then and the toffs who fished for them didn't want riff raff on the banks..well that that's what I've heard but how true it is I don't know

[@paulcole4902]

And i know from experience of my love for fishing,fish don't always go into deeper water during the coldest of winter months, because I've bagged up with roach on the river Tame when it's been freezing cold and at to result in using a a six metre whip because of the rings on my rod freezing up,and caught roach in less than 2 feet of water hundreds of them not big ones but I'm sure they are there 🤔

[@markmason2701]

Great podcast.

[@davewilson4008]

Great podcast. I agree completely on getting rid of the closed season, I'm an all round angler, coarse, specimen and game angler. As far as I can see the coarse closed season historically has only ever been about segregating the coarse and game anglers (Theres a reason it's called Coarse fishing, it's because a fish without an adipose fin is not a game fish so considered to be coarse, meaning low or inferior). Using spawning as a good excuse to clear the rivers of common coarse fishers to make way for the trout anglers whose season starts exactly when the coarse season closes. Now we all know that rivers are not the same as they were 150 years ago but that old idea still holds us from fishing rivers for coarse fish. The spawning argument is one of convenience and nothing more as far as I'm concerned. I've caught plenty coarse fish on fly tackle during the closed season which is not strictly illegal so why not on allow bait? It's about time management of river stretches was passed to the controlling clubs/owners to decide when we can fish as was mentioned in the podcast. These days the river stretches run by fly fishing clubs etc are generally exclusive to them so there's little to no conflict as there was 150 years ago. Keep up the good work folks, I'm still catching up so a bit late to the party to comment on this but wanted to put my 2p in.

[@deanstones6773]

Fantastic podcast brilliant angler 👍👍

[@charleskemmett2807]

Close season was brought in to keep coarse anglers off the river banks for the benefit of the salmon anglers as the salmon protical is that you don't pass a salmon angler when he or she is fishing fishing, I still think this is the main opposition for keeping the close season

[@rodpilkington2497]

What a podcast Dave is so right about the closed season it’s a farce

[@meganwhittington827]

Hi guys, I really enjoyed this, even more than usual, I'm 69yoa (I used to fish with Blackhorse mg) and can remember Dave watching me fishing peg 6 at Evesham in a qualifier, probably thinking how I was naffing it up,lol.

[@richardhunt6350]

Image blackhorse?

[@meganwhittington827]

@richardhunt6350 I left as Mark Bird (captain) was setting up the Image company Richard, but the same team yes, I left for personal reasons in relation to a well known angler who wanted to join the group...

[@marksaunders9292]

One of the reasons , in my opinion they will not change the close season is that they want us anglers off the rivers for a good part of the year , so that we do not see water companies discharging raw sewage into the river systems .

[@mickbrooks8114]

Time for close season to go

[@tallshort1849]

Brilliant one that lads 👍

[@johnbean9834]

I was very close to that bomb l have never forgotten the pull of air from my knees down to the ground!

[@MrPhumm]

Terrific angler. Peerless in his understanding of how floats work in a river, but so desperately wrong in thinking we should scrap the closed season on rivers. Perfect it is not for sure, but those fish and everything on the riverbanks needs a break. For every reason to scrap it I have heard, there is a solid counter-argument. So much of what I hear is all about the commercial side, just as it was in 1995, and you only have to look at all the parrot-mouthed fish, and bare banks, in these ‘match lakes’ to see where it ends. If you set aside the money and the greed, every logic says to give the rivers a break (and we should be spending that energy campaigning for clean rivers, and for all river users to respect the environment as anglers should).

[@Horsepowerimages]

Closed season is so outdated & needs to be managed on a water by water basis by the owners. Personally I feel the problem with the countryside & wildlife is it’s being controlled by people who don’t have any understanding of management especially as man is the main impact.

[@jameswilson9537]

Brilliant podcast. Totally bang on about the closed season, it should have been removed years ago!

[@seanlotr]

Totally agree the closed season on rivers should be scrapped and managed by the clubs or water owners just like they do on lakes.

[@SIDARI98]

the reason for the close season IE to leave the fish alone to spawn has proven to be wrong. now we have a partial close season on canals and lakes we know that they just don't bother to feed when they are spawning.

[@unionjakjakson]

Total class podcast, loved every second of it. P.S. Lets get rid of that silly silly national river closed season.

[@marktunleytackletv]

I agree that the river close season makes no sense when you look at it logically. The problem if you let "clubs" make their own decisions will be based most likely on the committees personal feelings and not logic. Now I know is might sound inflammatory, but I know a lot of anglers and club big wigs, and some are very logical of good thinkers and some are far from that. This river closed season shouldn't exist, because it make no scene under scrutiny. Quite simply if it's ok on water that is "still" then it's ok on water that's "moving". That's my 10 pence worth. Lol

[@davidryley4162]

I used to be in favor of the closed season. But, times & minds change. I see no advantage of it now. I will list my view. 1... poaching will be better controlled. 2... Tackle shops & the Maggott farms, would be better off 3... Hotels & Guest houses would proffit. 4... Mother nature decides breeding seasons, not just fish. 5... April & May would throw up some monster fish of all species. There, my 5 P.O.V.

[@jamesbradleycoaresfishing5787]

I agree with you Dave they need to let angels have the rivers open all year round they should of done it years ago show your support

[@marksaunders9292]

Great video. However, I am dead against raising the fishing licence fees. The EA are not fit for purpose and do not deserve to handle our money anymore. The licence fees should be scrapped.

[@stevenmoses5807]

We should still have a closed season on all waters so the fish can spawn in peace and give them time to recover. We don't like being interrupted when we're shagging do we.. have some respect for mother nature and her children

[@paulcole4902]

So ask Dave if he needs another worker to work for him I will 💯

[@paulsedgwick3195]

❤ thanks 🎣🎣🎣

[@andypritchard8504]

A hero of mine

[@richardhunt6350]

ABU 506/7 This is the Master!!

[@williamshenstone1630]

I asked mr Harrell if he had any lolly badcock floats left in stock and he blocked me

[@robertfossey1798]

Let controlling clubs decide when to close a venue.

[@mikevoller-fishingfun9095]

100% with Dave on the closed season. why are the Angling Trust not on it?

[@FISHINGMINTY]

I could do with a "piss n fish"© - So many people about and no trees when fishing a match on Bude canal basin.

[@TackleguruTV]

🤣

[@stevenanderson2105]

Wow

[@Northstar-Media]

Get Peter Drennan on see what he has to say .

[@williamshenstone1630]

That is a Mekong stickleback

[@andybell369]

Hadrian whittle is daves apprentice lol. Says it all

[@TackleguruTV]

Amazing! 🤣 Did you enjoy Hadrian's show too!?

[@andrewthomas405]

KEEP THE CLOSED SEASON GIVE NATURE A BREAK ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE ..IM 68 and the closed season was and is a good thing

[@goonerruss7583]

i have been in the trade since 1985 the close season is a disaster ...it just forced anglers to go abroad where ironically the fishing on the whole is superior a close season to protect fish stocks clearly does no such thing it has an adverse affect re poaching and when like last last season we had a close season from october till march because of heavy rain it is out of date and a dreadful burden on fishing shops

[@Northstar-Media]

He gives a non of his secrets, does Dave, he's a fishing sith lord 🎣

[@leewilliams5045]

Dave will tell you ANYTHING, hell just do it better than you.

[@optimadev1371]

Why keep talking about this? We need to organise a No of matches in the closed season, bring it to the attention of those in power. What have the AT done regarding this? NOTHING

[@markwhibley9787]

Not one wow this episode, what’s going on ?

[@williamshenstone1630]

Ken Aske to me was God and his wife Janice was mother Mary ,,, Ken Aske was the great father of the starlets ,,, right at the apex of the history of match fishing and you’ve only got to see the influence he had on Mark Downes and then his influence on England after clegg … it was a sad day when we lost him and il never Ken and Janice til I die ,,,, fair play to ginge for being inquisitive about Edgbaston Reservoir because that was and still is the MECCA bream venue and all anglers whether old or new should visit and pay homage at least once in their lifetime ,,,, don’t listen to Dave Harrell about the safety of the place because Harrell is a yam yam and them yammers get all scared when they leave the Black Country ,,, come and do your camera stuff with ringer and co at the Mecca and il Put you on the shoal and be your tour guides with my brummie blood brothers ,,, there are bream over 10 pound , loads of 5’s and a no bull some daddio carp with one deffo over 50 that frequents the Bomb hole ,,, you’ll absolutely love it there I promise cause you was buzzing in Scotland and that’s crap.

[@williamshenstone1630]

What a crap gift to bring to the studio ,,, that is what you call a Dudley dibber , the far bank of the Dudley canal is strewn with them

[@tonyrandall3524]

Was really enjoying this until Dave talked about the bomb that killed the poor Army lads in Ireland. Not impressed that Mr Harrell had to say that they shouldn’t have been allowed on the contest and had put others in danger. What does he actually think they were doing out there- protecting people and putting their own safety to one side Dave. A very disappointed ex serviceman here 🙁

[@DaveHarrell-cu3zk]

Tony - please see reply elsewhere here