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[@wiktorszczegielniak3820]

Not even one aspiring champion died, after that performance they shouldn't be aspiring anymore.

[@sassyviking6003]

Next game they get to come back as exalted heroes. They earned it.

[@christopherhayes1369]

They need to man up and commit to a God!

[@Mortarion-xt9wp]

Are you guys proposing 16 exalted champs?! RIP I say

[@lich109]

Finally, been waiting for this replay to get uploaded since it was teased. Kholek getting healing isn't just Pwn's fantasy, I've been waiting for it too.

[@LordGame2222]

13:23 Elspeth is a devotee of Morr, the Empire god of Death. The Knights of the Black Rose were included in this DLC likely because they're an order devoted to Morr, so it goes along with her theming.

[@sirunklydunk8861]

Many a WoC players will be pledging to Nurgle for that hero

[@emultra759]

Grandpa knows best

[@redsalamander9999]

Aspiring Champions are one of those units that will just keep on killing for days if nothing is sent to specifically take them out. Throw infantry mobs against them and they'll carve the lot up. And for the severed claw they can fight through large targets throughout the whole battle.

[@Tarico_]

Severed claw is insane, I’ve never seen them lose a melee fight without enemy ranged being involved as well

[@MegaNever2010]

the Carmine breath doing about 4.5k damage on a super high value target like Kholek seems pretty good

[@MonkWren]

Almost as good as a single unit of Rot Knights, apparently. Rot Knights: OP in more than just Elden Ring.

[@animewarrior3]

Only around 2k a pop.

[@SRMal8723]

@@MonkWren The empire player had easy counter to them, he just botched it. That bjuna would have basically killed the rot knight unit but he used it on something irrelevant.

[@Supercohboy]

​@@SRMal8723 Every PvP WH player ever absolutely POGs at the mention of Flock of Doom, yet nobody woops and hollers for the easiest to use "NO" button in the game, Fate of Bjuna. It even does a fair job against single entity units in the event of a misclick, unlike Spirit Leech if used against a multi-entity unit! It's so strange to me, I get that Flocks are harder to capitalize on and make for epic skill moments, but Djuna casts against top-tier units are so, so satisfying.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

@@Supercohboy No one hollars about Bjuna because it's an anti-elite tool that's actually pretty expensive, and there's just _so_ many of them in TW: WH that it isn't worth mentioning yet another one that costs more. Like there's a huge toolbox that can answer the Rot Knights, it just requires focusing them down. AP missile fire, nets to stop the charge, a couple of other spells to reduce their armor and/or have AoE armor pen that absolutely dunks on elites, properly supported anti-large infantry (the halberds being caught out was a huge boon for Turin), the list goes on. None of it was brought though because of the new toys people are wanting to play with. It costing 22 winds is a kick in the nuts though, since it doesn't actually kill any models, just weakens their health pools and only targets a single unit. Flock only costs 6 and hits multiple units.

[@lonespacedrone3952]

5:28 LMAO that Aspiring Champion just yeeted that poor state trooper off the screen!

[@ChocolatePancakeMan]

Kholek with healing has literally been every WoC players power fantasy since TWW1

[@tssb7]

I really wish he had an extra 1k Hp or something. Just under 10k seems a bit lacklustre for such a large lad. Power creep victim.

[@Kayosiv]

@@tssb7 If they ever look at him again, he should be dread saurian sized with an HP pool to match. He hasn't been lore accurate in strength for quite some time.

[@Woeboez]

@@Kayosiv He was never that big in the lore though

[@Kayosiv]

@@Woeboez At the very least he was significantly bigger than a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, which he currently isn't.

[@elessar4864]

Rot Knights getting 3800 value is so awsome I love when elite cav perfoms

[@jacksonp8066]

5:55 I imagined Kholek after a long day of being a storm ogre dragon just plopping down and drinking excessively

[@joeyo8591]

Maybe they should nerf the tracking but keep the damage of the breath attack. That way you can dodge and avoid most of the damage but if it hits it nukes SEs

[@easytanksgaming3238]

Like asur stardragon. It would be interesting and still competitive, not broken like now

[@jacksonville9642]

Or maybe, listen to me, not

[@drewvirtue622]

They could probably make it a 1 use ability and it would still be a super useful ability.

[@animewarrior3]

No. It's fine as it is.

[@animewarrior3]

​@@drewvirtue622 nah. It's fine as it is. They just need to buff other dragons breath attacks.

[@williampounds5191]

Aspiring Champions and Knights holding it down is EXACTLY what you want to see out of a Chaos army!

[@wheatfield.]

Aspiring Champions are one of my favorites

[@MrParadux]

They also benefit greatly from healing, because each entity has so much health.

[@Nickelback8469]

The tracking on that breath weapon is insane and is the thing that probably needs looked at. If the Empire can trap a big target and line up the dragon I think it's fine that it does good damage, but even when you were microing Kholek pretty well it didn't seem to miss at all and that's the problem

[@emultra759]

Remove the tracking so they have to take a Light Wizard for Net of Amyntok instead of Earthblood.

[@animewarrior3]

No. Keep the tracking. Being able to dodge stuff like that was dumb the day it got implemented.

[@ksvens8658]

​@@animewarrior3So her breath attack nuke dmg shouldn't have any counterplay then?

[@animewarrior3]

@ksvens8658 not everything needs counter play. Just like spirit leech has no counter play. Other than, healing. Or how slower entities can't dodge artillery. The only reason they managed to threaten kholek is because her breath attack is good. If you weaken it, this battle would have been a stomp.

[@ksvens8658]

@@animewarrior3 spirit leech does a tickling amount of damage compared to het breath attack, and uses WoM. It's not the same.

[@Dustman5917]

I get shin Godzilla vibes every time I see that death ray light up!

[@piotr7805]

Your recent content has been fantastic, cannot wait for some proper tournament to give those new units and lords a proper test! :)

[@calebmyers5508]

The hidden killer this game for the empire was friendly fire the dragon and a couple outriders take significant damage from the barrages of stray shots that the new outriders have a tendency to pop off

[@user-mn3ex6vw9k]

Elspeth elevates mouthbreathing to the next level with that cosmic death ray

[@christianweibrecht6555]

Tww3, has fully , embraced the tank and healer composition

[@TempusCaelum]

Over the last few video videos I've been really glad to see a small return to the classic PvP mode over capture point for TWW3. Fun matches!

[@briangiddens2811]

I love the rot knights! Thanks for the showcase!

[@Wanderer-nw2so]

So what you're telling me as the empire's strategy here is to hunt down the rot knights as much as possible preferably with cannons.

[@Tarico_]

I think you could get a positive value trade with 2 demigryph halberds and then after clearing off rot knights you can use the now uncontested anti-large cav to hunt down the other monsters that chaos will inevitably bring to bear

[@Supercohboy]

@@Tarico_ Demigryphs are still super meh according to the Zerkovich vid he did for the Rot Knights. Even with Outrider support, I don't see the Demigryphs surviving and thriving in this match-up. Fire shuts down regen and would've been the play vs. Nurgle forces, but I doubt that the Empire had a chance to build their army to counter them specifically.

[@demo511.]

Aspiring Champions! Always love to see 'em! Great video as always Turin!

[@TalosLordOfNight]

keep these land battle coming regularly once the DLC releases for everyone

[@liamcullen3035]

Awesome battle! But how’d you bring so many marked units? Is CA changing the cap?

[@GlompingPenguins]

I never leave home without aspiring champs. They just anchor for so long grinding down any infantry. They may get meh values it seems but they basically will never break outside of army losses or super late game scenarios. They just hold down so much for so long its amazing.

[@ItalianCanadianGuy94]

Loving all the land battles!!!!

[@CommonConnoisseurs]

This match was a pleasure to watch, this game is incredible

[@indigo7898]

I may as well ask here, but do winds of magic affect both players the same? Like if i throw expensive spells will it reduce regeneration for both players?

[@freakymoejoe2]

People sleep on aspiring champions. They're crazy tough

[@BooGulley]

Still not worth the price

[@futhington]

Think they get a bad rep because they're not really a campaign standout and WoC have so many other tools to win the infantry grind in MP.

[@sassyviking6003]

Not a campaign standout? Maybe a couple years ago but they are an easy doomstack since CoC. They get buffs from all 4 chaos gods in the tech tree. ​@@futhington

[@user-sd9dk5ir7v]

​@@sassyviking6003 Champs go fucking nuts in campaign.

[@JimmyBoombox]

@@futhington Not a campaign standout? Bro they get so many passives from the tech tree like barrier, regeneration, hellfire swords, etc

[@TequilaSunsetVids]

11:20 If they want it to do really good damage against single entities that's fine. But it looks like the beam follows the target? Seems strange to me. Gives no chance to dodge then.

[@Skeleton-chan]

I've been wondering if Be'lakor is now worth taking as a big centerpiece monster now that WoC has healing but I wonder if he's actually worth his cost currently. Would he be able to punch into the weight class of his peers like Imrik or the Dark Elf dragon characters? That's where I'm just not so sure. I think his low armour and expensive price tag are just too big a flaw to overcome.

[@emultra759]

Does he remove immune to psychology in multiplayer? Could have a niche in some matchups.

[@Skeleton-chan]

@@emultra759 He does, yeah.

[@googlespyingonme]

another epic land battle from Turin!

[@kodan7879]

Bruh. Those aspiring champions must have some real back pains after basically killing the entire empire frontline by themselves

[@elisabetracing]

Second game i see you blob elite chaos and wonder how final transmutation would work vs that build

[@alphawolf1919]

The breath attack definitely seems to be se focused from what I've seen it's very limp into infantry, probably need it's damage tuned

[@squirrelstar051]

The Return of The King

[@JohanneTvedten]

That breath attack....

[@Shimmiy]

close game pretty sure that one FoB cast being used on horsemen instead of rot knights of champions is what cost empire the game

[@MightyCowPat]

What's the reason for no domination replays on the DLC patch? Embargo?

[@daddypudding9074]

Is Elspeth gonna be auto on her dragon in multiplayer? Or is she worth it on foot/horse still?

[@kswiss4658]

I can't keep watching all this new content I can't play...it hurts. I can't wait.

[@Jallen72911]

Sega: you guys have to make money CA: Hold my beer Community: :D

[@mariusweber4990]

Such a cool battle!

[@damsoyinc9235]

Still can't wait to see the severed claws with healing in domination, absolute raid bosses.

[@JohanneTvedten]

Oh I have missed Kholek!

[@omgLethalSting]

9:17 If those Outriders rear charged Kholek, could he have broken then?

[@bullocks586]

Dang, rot knights are like super flesh hounds. No wonder you love them so much lol. My man is gonna main Nurgle because of them mark my words haha

[@Michael-kb2gk]

Do the new outrider rifles shoot way too high and miss a lot or am I crazy?? They look like they hit nothing most the time and the bullet keeps traveling…

[@iupzor]

Very close battle, thx for share!

[@thibautl334]

actually it's the threat of the landship that makes this dragon's breath OP, otherwise no one brings a big SE vs empire anyway.

[@seranonable]

elsp almost threw the whole thing by diving on those trolls..

[@profpwn9446]

MOUNTAIN GOD

[@zeggsy0554]

1:24 is this a dom thing? I was wondering why the ice trolls were nerfed cause in land battles they are seen as pretty shit and are basically never taken.

[@lich109]

Ice Trolls are good because they regenerate, hit hard and inflict slow. The slow in Dom prevents the other player from escaping or moving to another point, which is a good thing since Dom matchups have you spread much further apart.

[@9Nifty]

Aspiring champions plus rot knights seems the way to go for sure. Hard carried.

[@Jorge-df1sk]

I feel that the empire could have done so much better if Elspeth was focusing on the hero. With the breath attack, spirit leach, and the spirit leach like ability that also heals her Kholek was no problem, if only the hero is deal with early.

[@bearistotle2820]

With how much the breath attack does look like Godzilla's lazer beam, do we think Godzilla will be modded into the game?

[@bruuuuuuuuhhhh]

A Godzilla mod would probably be shot down by CA

[@bearistotle2820]

@@bruuuuuuuuhhhh Fine, a "nondescript lizard" mod.

[@Zayl1016]

Another idea would be belakor with nurgle healing

[@memesofwarhemmer7076]

Kholek getting healing imagine Archeon 😂 boy warriors getting a hero healer truly helps them out 😅

[@keropnw3425]

Great thumbnail lmao

[@Th3RunnerUp]

Do you think the power of healing is something that should be addressed? In my opinion it's a bit overbearing how game-changing it is in both campaign and mp

[@futhington]

Healing is a super powerful option but I think it's necessary as a counterweight to lord sniping and gooning strats that could get a bit degenerate themselves (and are pretty strong already) if you couldn't mitigate damage to units without regen.

[@Aayren]

@@futhington What about factions that don't have healing?

[@callumcochrane7759]

​@@Aayren sucks to be them

[@futhington]

@@Aayren Sucks to suck. More seriously though that then becomes part of the game's dynamic and variety - no or limited access to healing is a strategy you have to work around and also enables some play to counter you that might not work vs other stuff. This might seem like it contradicts my point a bit but healing as a viable option is good and healing not universally being a viable option for everyone is better and the two aren't really at odds.

[@alfarabi73]

"Elite Empire cavalry"? There isn't really one other than Demigryphs ;)

[@OuterregionTW]

I am afraid of good ol balance after dlc

[@bigsarge2085]

Elspeth von Hot-Topic.

[@futhington]

Elspeth, Franz, Toddy all viable is great news, feel bad for my boys Wulfheart and Gelt though.

[@LastZepp1]

Gelt is viable tho

[@Tarico_]

Gelt went from one of the two main choices to still pretty viable, I’d say he’s fine, but marcus sure got shafted cuz his ranged attacks likely weren’t fixed along with orions and others

[@nericarballo8941]

Kholek game Let's GOOOOOOOOOO

[@IOSARBX]

Turin, This made me laugh so hard, thanks for sharing!

[@leojohn1615]

and to think if they had dropped that buna on the rot knights...

[@R3GARnator]

Kholek got some new stank.

[@niconilo97]

The Breath attack the Star Dragon and Tereugiesth wich to have .-.

[@melkhiordarkfell4354]

13:30 Elspeth probably only worships Morr.

[@Chapien]

Morr is her primary deity, but she also worships Verena.

[@Chapien]

incidentally, verena is morr's wife

[@Varahkas]

Turin when you tell him the Empire is polytheist: 🤯

[@Chapien]

@@Varahkas wait until he hears about what middenland thinks of sigmar

[@calebcampbell9280]

Honestly I think the new repeaters make outriders too inaccurate to be reliable. Need to do testing before saying anything conclusive but it seems like most of their volleys go way off target even when shooting huge targets like Kholek.

[@1981fallout]

Please do more land battles

[@paulkersey3042]

Okay, hear me out. Spirit Leech, Elspeth's item, and the Dragon Laser. Just delete the enemy lord.

[@Vandelberger]

I think this fight just shows how close and well balanced most units are.

[@Tarico_]

I was thinking the carmine dragon lady is kinda yolked but I also then realized you have to get 4K value on her to pay her cost off

[@mustacheBpf]

Yeah, it seems all the opness spread all over the Previous DLC (mutalith, elemental, crow men, tzangors, mama stank, yuan bo) was all concentrated inside the thunderbarge

[@Marder-vl2gq]

I would love to see devoted aspiring champions.

[@Draconas]

I really dislike having ranged armour piercing mounted units that can fire while kiting. It just defeats the whole purpose of having to position when they just do it all

[@rayjames5511]

Dragons are my favorite they should be feared don’t change the breath attack

[@lucynamarzec8000]

Cool game. I don't think your build was legal thou. I'm pretty certain Rot Knights and Bile trolls count as NG marked units for the purpose of army caps. So that puts you at 6 marks, 2 over the limit. I know, rules are fun

[@Tarico_]

The new nurgle units are bugged in the current build. They and I BELIEVE the nurgle caster don’t count for marks, though it’s noted for the release patch, same with elspeth in the dwarf roster

[@rubric-eo5yj]

that breath attack is way too strong also why on earth does it have heat seeking?

[@zeggsy0554]

Rot knights don't have the mark of nurgle? Not counting for the mark limit is pretty strong, nice.

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

Bile trolls are bugged

[@BurgermanForever-nh2vp]

KHOLEK SHUNNYZAH

[@Victor-ls7ik]

Can we please put Faucis face on a Nurgle cultist already? How did they miss that?

[@WolfHead94]

Big K only at 8.9 HP, come on CA that doesn't cut it in game 3! This guy should be bigger like a dread saurian with a similar hp pool.

[@Matt-ln7lb]

@14:30 on Chaos dealing with empire cavalry: Regular Chaos Knights + character/magic support and marauder cav has always worked just fine. A unit of Halberds or two is also never a bad call in a match up where you can expect some large units. They also have access to skullcrushers, which are a decent anti-large unit, and Dragon Ogres are also an option, though Dragon Ogres have never really made the competitive meta; as good as they are vs cav, they're a bit slow and not very good vs anything else compared to other options, and Skullcrushers, while a better generalist, are a bit vulnerable to focus fire, and similarly are a bit slow.

[@Sarcasmses]

Don't know if it it's just me, but the volume on this video seems lower than normal. Had to turn it up to the point where everything else was loud just to hear it at normal volume.

[@aziouss2863]

By sigmar no!

[@regulusm1518]

GG

[@viktor7879]

she aspiring on my champion until i chaos

[@fcon2123]

Man, everything I've seen from Nurgle compared to what Empire and Dwarfs have gotten seems so underwhelming. Like the rot knights and Tamurkhan LOOK so amazing but have struggled to perform in most replays I've seen. I feel like some of the bigger Nurgle units should've gotten a missile resistance from clouds of flies or something.

[@Tarico_]

I kinda held this same sentiment but the reason is because nurgle is already carried heavily by their amazing lord choices, so having another lord without being OP but serving a different role while still being worth taking is tough, and the new units seem so lackluster because nurgle is just filling in their missing bases while empire and dwarves have had options for most, if not all situations

[@Erebus2075]

GGWP

[@G1ingy]

The Carmine Dragon's breath attack definitely needs a heavy nerf what with it's undodgeable insane damage. Despite that though, the Empire player made some pretty terrible misplays. Imagine how different the game would have been if he didn't waste a FATE OF BJUNA on a marauder horsemen unit of all things...

[@user-sd9dk5ir7v]

You got the chad gw chaos warrior posing right next to whatever the fuck that whip guy is doing while the bile troll is doing a fortnite dance for good measure. I wish they brought back the old artist its the only thing i can think about whenever i see these battle intro screens.

[@jonahs8261]

nice

[@qwertdd672]

I just don't like how new units end up in a ton of different races. In campaign at least mechanics restrict what you can recruit. Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle meaning Kholek can heal is cool, but what's the point of monogods when you can run WoC and use Rot Knights, Bile Trolls, and Chaos Sorcerers? You'd only play Nurgle for roleplay reasons or because their LLs were so broken that patch that they can't be ignored.

[@turinRTS]

Mono gods get army abilities, and many other unique units!

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

Also you can only take 4 marked units. Nurgle sorcerer means less slaanesh cav or khorne berserkers

[@callumcochrane7759]

​@@LuzikArbuzik77maybe its different in land battle, because Pwn had three Nurgle and three Slaanesh units on the field.

[@UniBlue1000]

Talks about the breath attack needing to be looked at because it might be too strong. Meanwhile rot knights taking on 4 cav units and lasting until the end of the game. So tired of the bias in the mp community.

[@williammitchell6254]

Jesus her breath attack definitely needs to be looked at. It should be better than a star dragons but thats insane.

[@joshmilner4864]

gg

[@Zashzila]

That lazer beam kind of looking... like it needs a tap. That's for sure.

[@easytanksgaming3238]

Maaaan that laser breath is just too strong - yeah i know that asur stardragon too can make ridiculous damage, but it must be perfect hit - on a big stational target, right from top, precisly. So u need some hard work and somehow pindown your target completely. But that laser just straight aimbot which doesnt require big effort to deal almost 2000 damage! Just click it and whatever, guarantee damage, not that other from direct-spell-damage ljke spirit leech. Its not competitive. It should be nerfed somehow.