The Ford Lightning has 3 problems nobody talks about - (18,000 mile review)

[@GadgetFiend]

OH MAN.... ok you got me. I literally was grimacing the whole way thru the 'graph.' 😵‍💫

[@tom_graber]

After blasting a Cybertruck, what's a couple small scratches? 🙂Especially informative scratches?

[@Arcella1981]

got me too xD I was like "oh why you doing that?!" then I was like "well it is his truck so he can do it if he wants" then at the end I was like "oh ok very clever!! you got me!"

[@ArmedAngryAtheist]

Yeah, he got me too. I was thinking, "Weird, I always thought he was a smart guy". Then after the reveal I thought, "Ahh, a smartass".

[@jameslynch8738]

As soon as I heard the click I knew this was going to be interesting, that's a fine graph 🤔😁

[@nickhexum01]

I mean, he's destroyed so many phones I didn't even bat an eye.

[@americanghostproject]

1:15 thank goodness there's a graph to explain the intricacies of the Lightning. I literally just closed my eyes, and smiled when he did this.

[@arsonshadow187]

I had to cover my ears. Painful!

[@lovedfriend2020]

I thought he was scratching up his truck

[@lovedfriend2020]

@@arsonshadow187 I thought he was scratching up his truck

[@mjc0961]

1:17 - Art Class With Jerry hits different when it's the side of a truck instead of the back of a phone or tablet.

[@mjc0961]

1:40 - LOL! Well played.

[@Marc.Google]

We EXPECT it on a phone. $70K truck not so much!

[@siddhantgarde5848]

Economics class with Jerry

[@lovedfriend2020]

I thought he was scratching up his truck

[@Cardinal0p]

oo boi 1:16 I was eating and literaly my mouth was just open till that sheet fell.

[@kiubaa94]

Same it hurt my eyes and ears and heart as well xD

[@marcush7688]

same lol

[@sandmehlig]

I was really, really terrified!

[@dylanfosho]

petition to stop using chrome in the interiors of cars

[@_bit_]

Especially the fake one

[@chapystick_]

LITERALLY. I can’t tell you how many cars I’ve driven that will catch the sun on an interior piece and laser you directly in the corneas

[@Random_dud31]

And glossy plastic from all vehicles

[@GuantaiN]

Please God, yes!

[@paradox...]

and piano black!! aka fingerprint magnet

[@nickslick6]

I was relieved at 1:45 😩

[@moesart7059]

I was thinking to myself "surely not"

[@smc1377]

I was disappointed. Which leads me to believe I need to see a therapist.

[@delxinogaming6046]

Subscription mattress is wild

[@DAMfoxygrampa]

Soon we'll have to subscribe for oxygen in a park

[@ScottySwans]

Subscription "sheet" actually

[@catd2898]

Costs more than an electric truck 🛻

[@openit125]

Buy a mini split heat pump instead. So much better and more energy efficient and probably cheaper tooo 😂

[@Champabay]

it's not even a mattress

[@oraziovescovi1922]

as my metallurgy professor always said: "there's nothing that makes an engineer happy as seeing a well-drawn graph" Now, that graph leaves me with mixed feelings...

[@purplepenguin43]

I’m disappointed IMO Work trucks should have dents if you can’t put a dent in your truck doing work (and youtube is work) it’s not a truck, it’s a luxury item.

[@ImEnemy608]

1:10 Been with my wife for 8 years now, and I still can't get her to understand "boy math." Thanks for mentioning it.

[@wstlndiesel]

There are many but let me point out a HUGE ONE! He uses rhe National Average for his gas cost, yes uses a LOCAL cost of Electricity! This is one the beginning of his flawed video. People like this are juat EV nuts. STOP LYING TO PEOPLE😂

[@user-vp1sc7tt4m]

@@wstlndiesel Um, ok. I guess you wouldn't be open to hearing from all the many EV owners out there.

[@DanielMReck]

@@wstlndiesel Okay, I will use local gas and electricity here in the Midwest. Gas is $2.87 at the Walmart down the street today. Our solar array is on track to generate more than 2,000KWh in excess this season, which the electric company will not reimburse us for. That's enough power to charge an EV about THIRTY times for free this year. So, using our local numbers, our EV is FREE per mile because we charge at home, and our hybrid costs more because gas and oil aren't free. YMMV

[@randomnobody8770]

@@wstlndiesel Average gas cost in Utah currently 2.96, or about 5% less. He didn't talk about insurance, depreciation, tires, or install cost of home charging. The TCO data is currently quite variable. EV's only make economic sense in even rarer circumstances (ie, a used tesla for uber, a used truck for landscaping) and even then only where the delta between electricity and gas is high, home charging available, and utilization is high - and even then only when compared to more expensive new cars. I\d bet that a used Prius is the Uber king.

[@npsit1]

"Over time" is usually YEARS and YEARS. I own three vehicles with zero payments. It's cheaper for me to continue to drive them then pay for an electric vehicle. And it's not worth my time to drive it. At one point I think I calculated it would take me 15 years for the electric vehicle to pay for itself. By that point I'd have needed to replace the battery which would mean it never costs less than my gas vehicles I already own.

[@fabien59]

Gasoline is around 8$/gal in France 🤐 But yeah, we don't pay hospital journeys or medicines And only pay 30$/month for 8Gb/s internet speed

[@CyberUtilia]

Bruh, I pay less than $8 a month currently in Romania, unlimited mobile data for the phone. Last month I moved almost a terabyte of data through my phone's mobile data (it's providing hotspot to multiple laptops) Wait what??? You only get EIGHT GIGABYTE. No typo? Or only gigabit even? But I could relate, I stayed in Germany some months and it was $15 for just 3 gigabyte. Used it for navigation and music only, the wifi at home was unlimited though.

[@ghostlight69420]

yes but you have to live in france so is it really worth it?

[@sojourner4726]

@@ghostlight69420good food, better buildings, and higher quality of life than the US. People in the United States have a higher average income, but that gets obliterated by the higher cost of living.

[@SPClightnerd]

How hard is it to immigrate to France if say you home nation is sliding into the control of an orange autocratic fascist? I'm asking for a friend. Who doesn't speak French btw.

[@ghostlight69420]

@@SPClightnerd you just have to survive 8 years, and 4 of them are already behind you. you will be fine.

[@thndr_5468]

Regen braking and not having to use brake pads is such an underrated feature of EVs

[@americanghostproject]

5:59 my man literally set up a bedroom in the desert!! lol!!

[@JerryRigEverything]

Thats how we rollllll

[@SirxRyuuCHSub]

​@@JerryRigEverythinghello Jerry is the Code for the promotion is right? Because in the discription it says 'JRRRYRIG' or its meant like that or 'JERRYRIG'

[@mrgw98]

​@@SirxRyuuCHSubIt is mispelled in the description and is infact "JERRYRIG". Seems Zack needs to fix it.

[@kareebhasnat]

60 cents per night? 😵 That's 220 dollars per year

[@lovedfriend2020]

@@JerryRigEverything 2:15 Did Cambry wreck her car, or did you try to do a will it scratch at 30 mph? CRUCH!

[@ahmadm.rashid661]

1:25 bro has to test weather the sides were made of metal or not

[@DanielMReck]

Our 16-year-old Prius with almost 200,000 miles is doing great with its original battery pack. Still getting over 40 MPG like the day it was new. And our EV charges with a $350 level 2 charger in the garage...using excess solar-generated power that would otherwise be TAKEN from us by the electric company without paying us. So our EV charging is truly free. (We generated enough excess solar power last year that we could have fully charged an Ioniq 5 about THIRTY times for free...and we only need about one full charge a month.)

[@SenatorPerry]

Ahh man. Wish I had seen this comment before I commented. Been charging my EV on solar since 2018. I was hoping that Zach would cover that, but spending $72,000 on it seems reasonable to spend a few thousand more to setup a solar system dedicated to only keeping the EV charged.

[@Kytetiger]

Why does your energy provider take your electricity without paying ? In my country, the energy providers are obligated to pay you. Price is really low, at the same cost as if they bought from wind farms, but at least they have to buy it to take from us.

[@DanielMReck]

@@Kytetiger Because 'Murica. And my state of Illinois is better than most. Here, for folks who sign a net metering agreement this year and before, you accrue KWh credits when you generate onto the grid more than you use, from April through March. You can later spend those credits at 100% match (one for one) when you use more than you generate, as happens in winter. But any excess credits that are unspent at the end of March just expire with no compensation. In many other states, and in Illinois after this year, the credit is paid back as a percentage. You might only get to spend 80% or 50% or 0% of the excess KWh you generate. The percentage depends on how aggressively the local electric utilities have tried to shut down legislation for net metering because it hurts their profits, or how generally anti-future-habitation-on-Earth your legislators are.

[@amaanahmed3747]

I recently switched to an f150 lightning from a tacoma, and in 2023, my tacoma was costing me about 18 cents per mile just in gas, which is insane. All else combined, it was probably around 40 cents per mile with insurance. My lighting costs under 10 cents per mile with insurance included

[@DIYtryer]

Does under 10ct/mi include the car loan/lease payment?

[@rs4rsq]

Yea .... and also 2 houses and a yaht 😂

[@UNgineering]

The only caveat with the warranty is assuming the company will honour it. I don't know if you heard about Hyundai refusing to replace a battery under warranty because the bottom of the car had a scratch on it, not the battery itself, the bottom of the car.

[@indiggioman]

And/or the company will still be in business...

[@chiplangowski3298]

Given Hyundai's reputation as a car maker (not just a manufacturer of EVs), are you surprised?

[@twistan4976]

@@indiggioman this is a big one, especially with rivian

[@theadambair]

Ahhhh he got me with the knife scrape 😂

[@mikesheahan6906]

8:44 Some day I hope I can call a $70,000 work truck an "inexpensive work truck".

[@ghostlight69420]

this. these people live in la la land and wonder why the rest of the country wont vote for EV mandates.

[@sterlingodeaghaidh5086]

*new No one is gonna buy new unless it’s a fleet. In evict case ya that truck is cheaper than competitors if your looking for a standard truck but EV. The rest of us tho not so much

[@Coyote.five.0]

you can you just have to earn more money and eventually you will also call humans normies , and all the other perks that come attached when you earn a good amount of money here in our free country the united states of america .

[@mikesheahan6906]

@@Coyote.five.0 Sorry brother, but the only time a $70,000 work truck is inexpensive, is when it is a stretch limo, and you are a pimp.

[@DonOmarRamiro]

We are far away from that rusty old Toyota, arent we, Zack? Im glad to be a part of your journey.! (PD: Buy it back and make it electric, just to make some people angry... Would be a great give-away too ;) )

[@AWIraq]

I still hate this sound @1:33 on phones and plates

[@goncalo33]

I love it. I watch these videos mostly for it.

[@AWIraq]

then you have some thing wrong, lol ​@@goncalo33

[@johnparkes2452]

@@goncalo33you like sound of fingernails on chalkboards don’t you

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

When switching from my F-250 diesel to my Rivian, I calculated that two camping trips a month towing my travel trailer would save me enough in fuel to pay the monthly payment on the Rivian. When camping at a few campgrounds we frequent that have 50 Amp service that we could recharge with. That then made the "fuel" essentially free. $4 to "fill up" at home for the trip out, _free_ for the trip back. Even for longer trips where I'd have to recharge along the way, public DC charging costs about 1/3 per mile driven as diesel did (when towing the trailer.)

[@steveparis937]

A very long warranty is great as long as the company is still in business!

[@darpompie4354]

Agreed... That is my concern with Rivian. They can have a million mile warranty and it wouldn't mean much to me because I don't think they will be around in the next couple of years. Also their service is sparse and slow. For a work truck where time is money, if something goes wrong, you don't want to have to book an appointment for 2 weeks later. With Ford I have about 20 dealers/service centres in my city where I can just drop my truck off without appointment. If you run a business with a fleet of trucks, that has enormous value and its rarely mentioned.

[@kepler656]

Yeah, I'm sure Ford is gonna go out of business within the next few years.

[@CoolWatchesOnly]

@@darpompie4354 Personally I don't think RIvian is going anywhere, but I would take the ford or the chevy instead just to be sure

[@bowefamilyEV]

Absolutely love my lightning. Best vehicle I’ve ever had love seeing you do content with it.

[@biggallcaps]

I still think you should take into account the use of vehicles beyond 10 years after it was new. There's many Chevrolet Silverado work trucks that can go way over 200,000 miles with minimal repairs, and the one that was featured in a commercial supposedly went 3,000,000 miles. This is just one example, and many of the other brand's trucks can pull more miles than any of those electric trucks. $70,000 × 2 for 20 years vs $20,000 for 20 years + extra maintenance cost. That's the kind of math I want to see

[@ff-nr9jx]

Nowadays it is highly unlikely any ice vehicle will last more than 150000 miles without major, major repairs. Battery replacement costs will continue to drop

[@masterkamen371]

With European TDI engines it's more like two million miles on average. The engines break so rarely that you'll much sooner get bored of the vehicle or stop maintaining it and let it rust out. In fact, the most common point of failure is when you don't change the timing belt for 200000 km and it snaps, causing a bunch of damage.

[@Isaac-loI]

The trucks haven’t been around for that long yet

[@fanman8677]

@@ff-nr9jx they likely wont drop as the cost of lithium mining and the enviromental consequences are much worse than oil costs and consequences. and modern vehicle yes but the same thing will happen to evs too past 10 years you ev could have electrical issues such as the computers failing and with the insane complexity with these i just dont trust them. and for modern ice engines the only ones that probobly wont go over 150k are newer i4 style engines wheras a simple non turbo v6 or v8 will last a very long time. just ask the chevy ls motor line up. or the toyota 2uz

[@DanielMReck]

@@fanman8677 The materials from lithium battery packs are infinitely recyclable. We will need to mine fewer-and-fewer minerals over time and will be able to rely more-and-more on domestic lithium recycling from plants like the ones built recently in Ohio. That's a win for the environment AND the economy.

[@Marc.Google]

I love seeing Zack slice open his 8 Sleep mattress cover! Classic JRE. 👌🏼

[@billbrock5486]

I love my Chevy Bolt. I charge it with a ground mounted solar power system which also powers my home. I love Just plugging in at night and it being ready in the morning.

[@Hobbies4Hire]

Great job on the video Zack! Thanks for making it. I think Ford made the smartest decision by simply making the Lightning look just like their other trucks. Would love to get an update on the Whisper!

[@jdorffer]

Just don't crash ever, electric is insane to fix compared to gas

[@wstlndiesel]

There are many but let me point out a HUGE ONE! He uses rhe National Average for his gas cost, yes uses a LOCAL cost of Electricity! This is one the beginning of his flawed video. People like this are juat EV nuts. STOP LYING TO PEOPLE😂

[@capitalironic]

@@wstlndieselgood point, the national average per kwh is 16.8 cents vs the local price he used being 10 cents. Not to mention the more evs on the road, electric will probably get more expensive

[@banoko]

@@capitalironic and fewer gas cars mean cheaper oil? then why are so many against EVs?

[@marcuskissinger3842]

@@capitalironicsource about electricity getting more expensive: I made it up

[@pdaoust007]

@@wstlndiesel average electricity cost in Utah is 0.13$/kWh (maybe Zack uses 0.10$ because he factors his solar panels in) and the average gas is in Utah 2.96/gallon. Either way the math is still close and might add a few thousand miles to the break even point. No one is lying, the point still stands.

[@danruno]

44 seconds in and I know the 3 things🤲🏼 that's a great summary and opposite of all the bait and switch vids 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 you da best

[@justluke8730]

Your math is quite a bit oversimplified. Electric trucks use more tires for example and the resell value is also a huge potential difference maker (not that we knew what the resell value of either option is as of in 4 / 10 years). Same with potential recalls and out of warranty repairs. But i would also argue, that they'll be cheaper overall with a high probability.

[@ttkddry]

In Europe, insurance costs are higher for EVs because they are more likely to be written off if there is major damage to the frame (battery), that adds up each year

[@tyr8338]

@@ttkddry add to thta insane energy prices in EU. EV doesn`t make much sense in EU.

[@michaelhess4825]

Tires are not used up quicker if you drive reasonably. My CT weighs less than my gas Dodge Megacab. It's the heavy right foot that burns through tires.

[@wstlndiesel]

There are many but let me point out a HUGE ONE! He uses rhe National Average for his gas cost, yes uses a LOCAL cost of Electricity! This is one the beginning of his flawed video. People like this are juat EV nuts. STOP LYING TO PEOPLE😂

[@Anldiot69]

​@@tyr8338​I had the same thought. If you don't have your own charging port at home or work (which is the majority here), the electricity price here is about 5 times of what he had here at 0.10$/kwh vs 0.47€/kwh on a public charger. If you are one of the fortunate to own your own house with a charger, it's average should be around 0.35€/kwh

[@Marc.Google]

We need these kinds of videos! Thanks for making this and doing the math for everyone out there watching.

[@andrewm8703]

You did forget to factor in the opportunity cost or interest costs from the more expensive vehicle. That $20,000-30,000 difference in initial purchase price could result in significant gains if invested. Or if you need to take out a loan (because this is more expensive), the interest on that loan adds up. That said, I'm with you on the electric vehicle train.

[@damageman]

Go and run the numbers on lightly used 2 year old model

[@sniperlif3]

I love the talk about the optimization about electric vehicles. I say the same thing about gas engines since their efficient use of gas is something like 10% utilization of the potential power available.

[@ElitWolf01]

I love my lightning.. Pre-ordered in 2020.. Took delivery may2023.. 16k miles on the clock and I didn't regret any of it... Idaho is 9¢ kw an hr and I traded my f150 eco boost I'm with that 36gal tank.. So I totally agree with your math..

[@JerryRigEverything]

Heck yeah! Congrats on your truck! Sorry about the living in Idaho part.

[@noblekitty]

Jerry forgot to add the cost of tires, EVs eat tires

[@ElitWolf01]

@@noblekitty Honestly at 15k - 18k we arn't concerned about tires.. if properly inflated & rotated, we should see 40-50k easily.. I've priced tires at about $240 a tire for (p275/60r20 Hankook Dynopro aT2) and dont see that being different than a regular size F150 other than maybe 10k less miles per tire

[@noblekitty]

@@ElitWolf01 people use their tires differently. Some would run till the tires are completely bald, then wondered why they were the one that usually get into a fender bender. All tires have treads wear indicator built in. In my experience, an excellent Micheline Crossclime 2 rated for 60k miles would get replaced by me around 45k max because I want my vehicles to have safe tractions at all time. EVs are heavier than ICE, so they wear their tires down quicker. But hey, if you're okay with balding your tires to save a few bucks on a 70k vehicle, go right ahead.

[@cadenbigler]

You got me there mate, I was super worried

[@Dan_the_car_man]

One thing you forgot to calculate on the electric cars is coolant and transmission fluid both have to be changed at 60,000 miles per ford. And yes both electric motors use transmission fluid

[@i3_13]

He mentioned it where the vid is showing the bottom back of the truck where the transmission is. Forgot the timestamp.

[@kepler656]

incorrect

[@BennySuds]

I have had my lightning for over 2 years now and I love it! I run an oyster farm in Massachusetts and it’s great for everything I need! Great video!

[@alg003]

"No recalls" isn't expected. It's surprising since Ford is the #1 leader in recalls of all car brands globally.

[@TheRealDlo]

Honda has the most in 2023 fwiw

[@alg003]

@TheRealDlo nope. Still ford.

[@darpompie4354]

Cybertruck had 6 recalls in the last year alone...

[@alg003]

@darpompie4354 Ford had over 40 recalls in 2023. Yes, the Cybertruck is terrible and stupid and an awful vehicle, but talking about recalls specifically, ford is the leader across all their vehicles

[@darpompie4354]

@@alg003 I thought we were talking about the lightning. The OP mentioned "no recalls" isn't expected. I agree, especially since Ford had a lot of recalls over all their models. That the lightning had Zero is quite impressive actually. I mentioned the cybertrucks 6 recalls because it's a direct EV competitor (which people hold as a gold standard) to show what is expected. So Jerry saying that he expects to have zero recalls is unrealistic, even though Ford managed to meet his expectations.

[@m_ism]

One thing that I know EV dissenters might bring up is TIRE WEAR so I'm going to address that, since Jerry didn't mention it! This is my own amateur interpretation from what I remember working at a garage but due to the added mass of the battery pack, if the early data is to be believed EVs wear through tires about 30%-40% faster than their ICE counterparts. Assuming you're buying tires rated on your ICE for let's say 60,000 miles and those tires are $220 each, plus 1.60 hrs labor to throw them on at $110 an hour, plus 2 hours of missed labor cost at 25$ an hour to drive there, wait for the tires, drive back for a total of $1,106. Over 150,000 miles (Exactly two and a half tire changes) that's $0.01843 per mile for an ICE truck, or about 2 cents. Your rates may vary depending on who's charging you-- I'm just going by the rates that my garage used. Assuming 30% faster wear with an identically priced wheel (an F150 Lightning uses a different tire size standard but we're going to ignore that for simplicity), we can assume 42,000 miles per tire change. Across 150,000 miles, that brings us up to three and a half tire changes (3.57 to be precise), which comes out to $0.02632, or a little over 2 and a half cents. If we're looking at worst-case with the F150L and we say it's closer to 40%, running those numbers again will give us 36,000 miles per tire change, and a whopping 4.167 tire changes in the first 150,000 miles! At a stunning total of $0.03072 per mile, that's a massive 75% increase in operating cost per mile for the F150L just on tires alone. But if you take the formula for finding our intersection of the two graphs (0.04x + 72000 = 0.22x + 48000 where x = miles driven) and add the tire costs to each side, even at a 40% increase in tire wear that intersection only moves from 133,333 to 143,104 with the 30% increase only shifting it by 6000 miles up to 139,534. Obviously I took a number of liberties with this comparison so it's not perfect and I would have loved to use prices that reflect whatever tires come standard on each truck but 1) I couldn't actually find anywhere that would tell me which tire came standard on an F150 ICE and 2) most truck owners will usually swap for all-terrains anyway (I did not choose an all-terrain tire for this, however). Not to mention that as tire manufacturers actually start developing a wider range of EV-specc'ed tires, whether that be for increased longevity or increased mileage, this math will shift all over again. But at time of writing, I could not find an EV-tuned tire sized for any electric truck.

[@aleks138]

When he added a penny for the trans and diff fluid he should have added one to the EV version too.

[@craigchatterton4164]

EVs wear through tires faster because people love the punch of that accelerator! If you drive soberly and stay off the pedal the tires wear exactly the same as an ICE car. My Model X has 50,000 miles on the tires because I don't get on it all the time and my wife prefers driving in "chill" mode.

[@m_ism]

@@aleks138 I was going to touch on this as well, but I looked it up beforehand and according to the F150 Lightning Owner's Manual, that transmission fluid service doesn't need to be done until 150,000 miles (but personal recommendation'd put that at 100k max). As for the diff fluid, I don't believe the F150 Lightnings (or any electric vehicle for that matter) has a mechanical differential in the same way an ICE does. Because you're dealing with centralized drive units, the differential is built into the drive unit itself and it uses the same oil to lubricate both the diff and the transmission. I wasn't trained on EV maintenance so I only have knowledge from what I've done my own research on, but I remember that being the case.

[@lakejindsay]

Zach, hook an Idaho brother up and do an EV battery efficiency test as it relates to COLD. Of course gas trucks are subject to the same inefficiencies as EVS like driving like Mario andretti, uphill, into the wind etc, but I don't think cold affects them like it does EVs. And being in this part of the country that kind of matters.

[@mikldude9376]

Gas trucks are less effected by range in most circumstances, gas trucks even run better in cold weather , gas engines love cold dense air and makes them even more efficient while the exact opposite is the case for EVs .

[@jelliottlein]

Our 2017 Chevy Bolt with 70k miles (new battery from recall at 35k) gets about 240 miles per charge in the summer and about 150 in the Maine winter. Partly from the battery efficiency dropping, but also because 20% of the energy is going to heating the interior. My wife drives a 30 mile commute daily and we trickle charge at home. Totally worth it for us. Just depends on your scenario. And this is a car that maxes out at level 2 charging.

[@mjpete27]

Thanks Zack! I appreciate your videos and the information you provide is top notch! You even have a great manner that you appear effortless in your delivery! You are fun as well. See ya in the next video! ! !

[@Hidy_Ho]

What about the difference in annual car insurance? Is that significant?

[@ronrandquist7762]

I can't speak to EV trucks specifically, but I have owned a Model Y for almost 4 years. My annual insurance has been about the same as my previous car (Hyundai Sonata). I have 3 vehicles on my current policy, full coverage with 500K limits and $500.00 deductible. Annual Premium: - 2021 Tesla Model Y - $831.00 - 2015 Ford F350 PSD - $924.00 - 2013 Buick Regal Hybrid - $870.00 The Model Y is the least expensive car on my policy. I also have a 5th Wheel Travel Trailer and a SxS recreation vehicle as well as my home with the carrier. Also, please note that insurance rates are subject to lots of variables and are hard to compare between individuals.

[@kepler656]

Utah does not have an electric vehicle registration surcharge. Colorado does though.

[@craigchatterton4164]

@@ronrandquist7762 That matches my experience too. Model X Full Coverage, $1,000 a year.

[@SirxRyuuCHSub]

Hey Jerry can you give us a tips how to be chill like you? You destroy a phone like a madman but your voice is just so calm.😊

[@lazareric]

Only person I joined on youtube, and I love it.

[@JerryRigEverything]

Thank you!!! It helps us out at the factory a lot!

[@Chapon75]

The content is alot more informative and interesting than other memberships out there, and there's nothing like helping a good cause.​

[@ben_west]

Same

[@muggbarros5644]

I have a Toyota BZ4x here in Portugal, and We got the KING of Warranty -> 10 Years or 1M Km for the batery pack. My car is a taxi, and it has 80k Km after it's first year. So far so good.

[@brandon2755]

I hate when people try to prove one is better than the other. And people that don’t watch the full video before calling it misleading or sensational. Do as much research as you can, look at the benefits of both as well as the drawbacks. Decide which has more benefits relevant to you. And remember EVs as we know them ate just now starting to go into the real modern world, we’ve been doing gas engines for a long time and they’re nearing their peak. We can’t get much better, we’ve worked out most of the problems. Electric vehicles are still new so the problems they have now, will lessen or go away entirely as we build them better and learn more about the technology.

[@growviralwithlends6858]

That was some really hilarious joke with the graph😂😂😂

[@ShameSpiral]

Got my XLT lightning for 48k out the door, my break even point is much lower than if it was 70k, been a fantastic purchase.

[@knightlyjayful]

I laughed so loud at the reveal. Thanks for that!

[@ERKNEES2]

tHe WaRrAnTy 😂😂😂 bruh come on 4:57

[@floppytomato3991]

One thing to mention is battery degradation. While yes an electric car can get to 400,000 miles with an original battery, I’m curious the data that showcases how the range number is impacted, due to things like charging cycles and weather cycles. Also what’s the ratio of tire replacements? I remember reading something saying given their extreme weight, tires need to be replaced more often on EVs, making that cost per mile probably increase just slightly

[@jaimeduncan6167]

yes, but the 400K analysis is just for the fun of it, nobody is taking it seriously, stuff will break and maybe the gas car will need an engine overhaul who knows? The math only works, as he says if you drive mostly local. The Tesla warranty is for 70%, after 120k+ miles, more than enough for local travel and we know batteries are doing better than expected at the moment. The good part is that electric cars are going to go down in price eventually, and batteries are going to improve. China has the leadership at the moment. If The battery capacity per KG and per liter increase by a factor of 2 and charging keeps up gas cars will be reduced to a niche in every single country except the USA (politics)

[@lamontmiller1761]

Lol, when he said $600 off of 8 sleep mattresses, I knew what that price was looking like. Lol $$$$$

[@toddwilliams5905]

Also 60 cents a night? crazy

[@joseaqui]

Dang, you got me! Hahaha. You sure love using the JerryRig razor knife... even on that mattress.

[@joakoc.6235]

I agree that for a company that works in town or surroundings having electric trucks is worth, you save a lot as a company witch means more income or better prices to compete.

[@hvhirata]

The metal sheet got me hahahhaa, nice one Btw, i really miss the farming videos ... hope it come back.

[@martinkem]

Americans be chatting "Oh It DoEsn't HaVe EnOuGh RaNgE", "RoAd tRiP". only to do 18,000m in a year

[@Tech-Tempest]

Love the subtle Rivian logo throughout the entire video 😂

[@SirxRyuuCHSub]

5:14 you should say "bless its battery" since car doesnt have heart ❤ just kiding 😊

[@delain3]

Jerry Oh Jerry😭😭😂Those scratches had me crying before ngl

[@ULTRAHER0BRINE]

1:16 I had a pending heart attack until that sheet fell off. Phew

[@AintPopular]

GG on 9 mil dawg

[@Xyler94]

I'm currently driving a 2023 Lightning Lariat standard range. Best vehicle I ever owned. I'm in my first winter with it, and it's a cold and snowy one, so we'll see how that goes. So far, so good with one exception of odd loss of power. ((Edit: I also got the vehicle this year as a Ford clear-out sale. The sticker price was 93k, but I got it for 63k. I wasn't gonna pass that up, seeing as I've been eyeing a Lightning since they were announced.)) Here in Ontario Canada, we have time of use electricity rates. at the cheapest, it is around 7 or 8 cents per KW/h. Which is the time between 7pm and 7am, or weekends and holidays. So it's insanely cheap to run this vehicle.

[@wranglerpie]

the cost of electricity in Belgium is about 40cent/kwh!! That is a big difference!! Keep up te good work, Greetings from Marc C, Belgium,Europe.

[@calebchristensenviolin]

Title changed. Used to be a review of the Lightning…

[@AviationDirection]

Gotta flip-flop, just like Kamala in his political video.

[@luke9020]

@@AviationDirection yup liberal to a T

[@oafkad]

For anyone thinking about replacing tires or battery packs. Admittedly our Volt is a Hybrid but in 10 years we still have the same estimated mileage and use gas so infrequently it forces us to run the generator just to avoid stale gas. Tires have only been replaced once because I drove over an open manhole cover... Zero maintenance in 10 years too! Been incredible for saving money. Even replacing the battery I would be super ahead. IDK about full electric but Hybrid is wild!

[@oafkad]

In my defense it was night time, no signs or cones, was a big surprise.

[@TornadoesGaming234YTB]

Since my Dad just hates Ford idk why but hey they are 2 great cars out there 👍

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

I was like why is Zach so obsessed with breaking things??? Why would he scratch up a perfectly good truck??? 😂😂😂

[@AusamaNawaz-u3d]

When comparing gas price to electicity, are you getting your $$/kwh cost by dividing your electric bill $$ by kwh consumed or quoting the utility cost provided by the electric distributor? I am asking because here in ON, Canada, the transmission and other add on costs on my electric bill increase the advertised $$/kwh to almost double.

[@ArwenTheBritishShorthair]

Me and my family love your videos. ❤

[@0311nate]

0:16 Just a few minutes?

[@staticboss4029]

lmao this dude voted for Kamala, more like his whole life

[@gskul6883]

What does that have to do? ​@@staticboss4029

[@MrYlijumala]

thanks zack for including the subscription requirement in the add

[@Lonewonderful]

Should probably add cost to both vehicles for tire wear and replacement too

[@josephsonnier3594]

In any business you recoup the investment first then you show profit . Learned that in 8th grade Economics glass . As for the truck investment , you could always trade it in . Now corporate office will tell you WEAR SUNGLASSES .

[@Logon1027]

I feel like you can’t just factor out the battery pack replacement just because you buy a new truck every couple years. A lot of people drive cars with a lot more than 100k miles. And having to replace a $20k battery pack on a high mileage car for the average American would basically just total it immediately. Not to mention increased tire wear, higher insurance costs, different resale values, etc. It seemed like you nitpicked all the ICE downsides then didn’t include anything besides electricity cost for the EV.

[@daveizdebski]

Not only that, but the $0.10/KWh is if you plug in from your building or house... which for most EV owners means installing a $10K supercharger at home. If you can't plug in at home, you also have to pay more per KWh bc you're doing it through a charging network owned by companies needing to make a profit. And then you have battery replacements... yeah EVs don't have as much maintenance as gas cars... but a gas powertrain will outlast ant EV battery by miles and miles and miles even if it needs maintenance every so often.

[@NeotericGamer98]

Welcome to influencers on KZbin my friend. All of the upsides, none of the downsides, zero accountability.

[@JungWasHeree]

@@daveizdebski I installed a charger in my house for $400 that fully charges my tesla in a couple hours. $10K is so wrong

[@TallJust1n]

You don’t need to replace the battery at all, lots of teslas over 100k miles still have more than 80 percent of their capacity. It’s not like they just die

[@TallJust1n]

@@daveizdebski0 people are paying 10k for a charger install. Mine cost 200 total.

[@Fridel1]

You got me this time 😂😂 I laughed out loud realizing it’s just a random panel

[@Chris-rg6nm]

You think it take 15 minutes to fill a 36 gallon tank? The average gas pump has a flow rate of around 7 gallons per minute, 36÷7 is 5.14 so it would take five minutes to fill a tank. Us add one and a half minutes for credit card processing and putting a pump in and taking it out so maximum amount of time is seven minutes..

[@micheledeconti7535]

I think he was considering the travel time to the gas station, as he mentioned they charge the EV overnight in the workshop.

[@DanielMReck]

@@Chris-rg6nm Yeah, he is counting the whole *business* cost of sending an employee to do a fill-up, from when they stop doing their productive work to drive the truck to a fueling station, until they return to productive work on site. Depending on where the gas station, that could vary wildly more or less than 15 minutes.

[@MikeSavageZA]

That graph stunt was brilliant

[@reflextheboss970]

1:16 i actually thought "ok this guy tared down too many things, he is loosing his mind"😂 8:50 btw although i think electric cars will be more popular throughout the years, i still prefer gas cars for the reason "fun to drive". I like that physical feeling that there is an engine in front (or back) of me. But maybe it's just me😅

[@JerryRigEverything]

Personal preference is a totally valid reason to purchase one!

[@AdamDaley1]

lol you son of a… I sat here yelling “what’s he doing!!!! “ ha ha very funny

[@plantcollector3915]

I've put 40k miles on my used Ford lighting and saved over $30k in gas in 1 year with no issues and no maintenance except replacing the tires once. I used to have a diesel and a f350 but my electric truck has been cheaper, faster, and tows better than both of my previous trucks. With regenerative braking I actually make energy slowing down instead of wearing out my brakes. I'm a landscaping contractor and I haul around 10k pounds in it almost every day with no issues. I charge it overnight for around $20 for 350 miles. Also could power my job site, house, campsite, or vacation home with just my truck and can also use my solar to fill it back up. I do know electric isn't perfect but it has saved me money with more speed, portable electricity, more stable towing, and better off-road traction than my previous fossil fuel trucks.

[@JerryRigEverything]

That's awesome! Electric makes so much sense

[@Incrediblebowlesmodels]

So I am in the army I move every 3 or 4 years I have second vehicle that weights 5000 lbs I usually tow it would it be worth buying a lighting if I am towing 1500 to 2000 miles to different duty stations every 3 or so years?

[@JerryRigEverything]

@Incrediblebowlesmodels there are plenty of charging stations now that Ford can use the Tesla superchargers. It will just add a few hours to each day of your trip.

[@kingzach74]

​@@JerryRigEverythinga few hours for charging is a lot more time than filling up a gas truck Zack.

[@BrandonAbernathy]

You saved 30k in gas? Right. Be happy with your purchase, but you don't have to lie. At best, you saved about 6500. My math, since clearly some here can't do it, is 40000mi/15mpg*3$g

[@favour_dt]

My jaw dropped when you started drawing that graph 😮

[@sahibjotsingh8245]

Can you also compare resale value?

[@landon7006]

One thing you didn’t mention is for those of us living in a cold weather climate. We also live very far from any rivian or Tesla shop so even if it is covered by warranty, it is a huge cost and pain to get fixed.

[@JerryRigEverything]

Very very true!!

[@RustyShackleford97]

I completely agree with everyone chrome should not be inside while most companies do a brushed effect to stop this annoying issue some companies still do it.

[@linuxsux41]

Long term cost will be interesting to see. Parts tend to be more expensive leading to more costly repairs on electric vehicles (maybe due to how they are made today and this cost will go down) which is why Hertz is selling off large numbers of their electric inventory. Cheap to run, too costly to repair though. If I had a fleet I still wouldn't go fully to one side or the other but if I were a small business that had 80K to spend on a new work truck I'd be pretty torn right now, save cash today vs save cash in the long run. I'm personally a bigger fan of save the cash today and investing the difference to offset the cost.

[@harvey66616]

_"which is why Hertz is selling off large numbers of their electric inventory."_ -- that's largely a fallacy, though it has been often repeated. Hertz's big issue with maintenance wasn't that EVs are inherently more expensive, it's that renters are notoriously hard on all vehicles, and renters unfamiliar with EVs driving EVs are even harder on them. Of the three EVs I've owned so far over the last 11 years, the Model S has cost the most in maintenance, and there are definitely things about repairing that car that cost more than they should, if the car had been better designed with maintenance and longevity in mind. But even that worst case example, is in line with any other modern vehicle. All the car manufacturers, ICE and EV, have for decades been putting more and more bespoke/custom parts, and more gadgets that can break more easily. This is not unique to EVs. On the other hand, as was touched on in this video, EVs are just plain _missing_ all kinds of things that exist on ICE vehicles and which cause maintenance issues. Other systems are simpler (e.g. cooling for battery and motor), or incur less wear and tear (e.g. brakes) and so also have reduced maintenance costs. Most importantly, at least for the one data point that is me, my maintenance expenditures for my EVs have been negligible, while those for my ICE cars have not (granted, the ICE cars are older than the EVs, so they are just going to cost more regardless...but none of my EVs are ever going to need the intake manifold gasket to be replaced).

[@robertmontgomery7158]

It’s electric?

[@PotatoGGuy]

Yeo

[@HuskerPower97]

Obviously

[@masterkamen371]

Good day, that is incorrect, it's powered by a small singularity in the engine bay.

[@Mike.C.]

you totally got me with the knife on the truck door 😂 😂

[@dragonrider9051]

Not factoring in the lighting is twice as much up front nearly, also the lighting will go through tires faster and the drop in performance over winter's. Gas is king

[@cebo494]

EV's use their brakes less often, but they weigh a lot more so they wear their breaks down more per-usage. I'm not sure if that would balance out to more or less wear over time though. It probably varies a lot person to person based on how well they utilize the regenerative breaking.

[@SPG113]

1:17 what du heeeeeeell

[@thedarkknight1971]

Battery warranty/life? - As YT channels - Rory on 'AutoTrader', 'Auto Alex' (and others) have shown a fleet of Tesla 90D Taxis that have done 400,000 miles on their original batteries... So, it IS possible to have an electric car/truck do HUGE mileage on one battery! 🤔😏 😎🇬🇧

[@Ultimatebubs]

The "boy math" needs a couple of small tweaks to include the increased tire wear of EV's, the increased insurance costs, and the occasional charge at a DC fast charger on road trips. That would probably move the needle to around 500,000 miles as the break-even point?

[@fredericoduvel3092]

it’s girl math

[@Keozon1]

And he just swept the battery cost under the rug... Ford's warranty explicitly doesn't cover it past his own calculated break even point, so you would have to replace the battery. He needs to get his head out of the electric vehicle cult. It looks like the standard range ford lightning battery costs almost $30,000. That's the cost of a basic gas truck in its entirety. It also puts the cost of operation at far, far, far higher than a gas truck. And sure, I guess Zach here just won't keep his trucks that long, but that's not a fair and balanced comparison. He's basically saying "hope your battery goes bad within warranty, or else sell it to someone else and make it their problem." Add in further concerns about the complete lack of right of repair for EVs across the board, and EVs are downright anti consumer and purely for the elite. At least these huge, expensive EVs. There's something to be said about a small EV for work commuting or for things like local delivery trucks but... not for the average consumer.

[@KaufDirGeld]

plus the massive increase in electricity usage while towing and the non existante range if you use your truck as a truck.

[@antonygibson_]

@@KaufDirGeld he did say that tbf

[@ElectricGlider2016]

Please explain how occasional fast charge significantly changes anything when fast charging cost are still cheaper or roughly the same as gas the majority of the time.

[@lynnesarc6461]

Hi from Hervey Bay Queensland Very cheeky using that metal plate instead of the real truck, you had my wife gasping at your attempted vandalism but relief it wasn’t the truck

[@KomodoSoup]

When I saw the title, I got the urge for answering your question about acquiring electric trucks for free: By stealing them, obviously 🙄 You made me click on the video and participate in the comment without me knowing it till it was too late. Kudos to you my friend 👏

[@Alucardx72]

Omg that knife scene almost gave me a heart attack 🤣🤣

[@xyrothryu]

How about the cost of a new battery for that EV or a huge value loss? If we’re getting down to fluid changes in 60k miles, we are nearing the costs for those two, it would be nice to see a full comparison someday

[@michaelhess4825]

You won't need a battery replacement for a couple hundred thousand miles, at worst.

[@LAndrewsChannel]

So should he add the cost of a new engine and transmission too?

[@JoeOggier]

Flexing those deep pockets with the Rivian Sweatshirt. I dig it. I spent that much on my R1T, but I've avoided the Gear Shop since I've gotten zero referrals to date 😉

[@luzivertx]

Not going to lie, the break even point being 130k miles is not a great value prop when you consider all the negatives that can come with electric vehicles. I shall continue to wait for more economic vehicles.

[@johnniequinn3215]

Such as?

[@JasenLawrence]

he is using MSRP, I got my extended range XLT for $54k, $2k cheaper than the same trim gas F150 XLT. I'm saving $500 / month in fuel (after paying for electricity). No brainer if you don't have tow more than 100 miles in a clip.

[@luzivertx]

@ what’s not being considered is how cheap you can get gas used trucks for. You can get a used gas truck for much much muchhhh cheaper than any used electric truck. At MSRP they’re getting closer to each other so the break point comes at 130k miles but comparing the used market it’s no longer a good value.

[@typxxilps]

i guess the eightsleep ad brings pays more for the truck than the ev benefits itself.