The Forgotten Failure of Extreme Ghostbusters

[@ElGordoBandito]

As a kid I wrote a letter to Trendmasters bout how much I enjoyed the Extreme Ghostbusters toys. I got a whole box of goodies back from them with a response letter. It was a really cool experience.

[@jbalien20]

That's awesome!!!

[@shawnsage4680]

Awe the good old days...lol 😆

[@Subzero271978]

Oh man! Talk about a lucky kid, I wrote in to Mattel once, they sent me some stickers and a $1.00 off coupon for my next Motu figure. I guess that was alright 😂

[@thesaltyweeb]

Dude, cool!

[@russellharrell2747]

Trendmaster put out so much awesome stuff in a short amount of time. We sure could use some of their design innovation today.

[@tnperkins4art]

Hey there! As one of the artists in the Character Design and Props Departments on that show, I want to thank you for such a deep dive on our endeavor. I loved working on the series and still love that show to this very day. 🤜🤛

[@Panzer_the_Merganser]

Great work on the show! Loved the darker, more angular approach to things. Was nice to see a creepy, more gritty approach to Ghostbusters

[@tnperkins4art]

@@Panzer_the_Merganser thank you for watching!!!

[@Panzer_the_Merganser]

@@tnperkins4art Absolutely! Was lucky enough to catch the show in its original run, and it’s stuck with me since. 👻

[@markpugh6808]

​​@@Panzer_the_Mergansershame only the first 13 episodes were put out on Dvd

[@Panzer_the_Merganser]

@@markpugh6808 Oh damn, I didn’t realize that. Would have been great to have the entire run.

[@ironreaver4589]

This series was MY ghostbusters. I remember waking up early for it, when it changed time slots during school hours, my brother and I frantically set up the VCR to tape the last two episodes.

[@brandonpage7087]

Lol, despite the shitty time slot switching, me & my lil bro & mom all still managed to catch Extreme Ghostbusters. Looking at this video, I'm mad at myself for not being more into it, at the time. This is a highly underrated series & a perfect sequel to the Real Ghostbusters.

[@DSan-kl2yc]

In my area, it came on after school with all the afternoon cartoons, consistently, for awhile. Maybe those were reruns. I feel lucky. Of course it was on an unusual but public station that I stumbled across.

[@canaisyoung3601]

​@@DSan-kl2ycSame here. It was a public station that had a weekday afternoon cartoon block called BKN. It had the Sonic the Hedgehog cartoon that was more like 1940s Bob Clampett-era Looney Tunes rather than the serious, action-packed version on ABC, reruns of The Mask: The Animated Series (though season 2 aired exclusively in syndication as CBS just aired seasons 1 and 3), this cartoon, and a wild card pick (usually a failed action toy commercial cartoon, like Mummies Alive).

[@Styner09]

It's almost like they wanted it to fail

[@Styner09]

Just goes to show that Ghostbuster is not a title, but an adjective. You either are or are not bustin ghosts.

[@Mike_Lockhardt]

Extreme Ghostbusters is pretty beloved by the Ghostbusters community. If it was made today I think it would actually do pretty well. It honored the original series and had great stories and a great new cast. I think what hurt it the most was the fact you could never find the show on TV, It wasn't on any of the popular networks in my area and if I recall correctly it was on at 6am on Saturday where it went up against those live action animal shows and infomercials (It wasn't a time most kids were getting up to watch cartoons.) It wasn't until after it was cancelled that it showed up on Network TV at a decent hour that I was finally able to watch it.

[@Dargonhuman]

The other thing that really hurt it was it was just one in a sea of similar "extreme makeover" shows that all sort of looked the same and blended together for kids of the time. There was a significant amount of burnout and fatigue for the style and most kids simply rejected many of the shows out of hand that adopted it.

[@vitoguttilla2926]

It was extreme, extremely slow paced and written ok at best. Every ghost took Garrett's wheels off his chair, their ecto was so boring and square. Exterior roll bars is not extreme or it wee wee siren.

[@luvaboy772]

Extreme Ghostbusters is what 'Answer The Call' should've or could've been.

[@Dargonhuman]

@@luvaboy772 Oh absolutely. So many people were saying that in 2016 that it actually got me to find the series online and I joined in with everyone saying that.

[@swguygardner]

If it had been made today, people would be complaining about how "woke" it is...

[@RinaJosscy]

clap clap multiverse. Yes a meme in the making!

[@natemo82]

I’m glad you mention the IDW comics. I really enjoyed reading them. You could tell from dialogue that the writer had a true appreciation of the franchise and wasn’t just hired to write for characters he knew nothing about. It’s a shame the comics just disappeared a few years ago with no explanation. I’m assuming Afterlife had something to with it. Now that the movie has been released I hope IDW can start releasing comics again with the same writing and art team.

[@dylanlewis5113]

IDW lost the comic rights. I think Dark Horse has them now. Really hope Dark Horse will reprint the IDW stuff.

[@DuraikenGatewae]

@@dylanlewis5113 The rights could also be in limbo, so to speak. Sony / Columbia were the rights holders I think for Afterlife, maybe they have a publisher they want more the comics and are fighting / negotiating with Dark Horse for the rights? It's hard to guess without know more about the situation.

[@user-si9fx4xb6v]

@@DuraikenGatewae The licensing agreement between Sony Pictures and IDW comics expired just prior to the start of filming on Ghostbusters: Afterlife. Dark Horse now has the rights, and they are making a new series set in between Afterlife and Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire. Although given the popularity of the IDW series it would not surprise me if Dark Horse was to reprint them. During IDW's ownership, they reprinted all of the first volume of NOW comics Real Ghostbusters series from the late 1980's and early 1990's.

[@Ferenczys]

There was some great writing on this show, and the grungy art style made the horror elements even more striking. The episode with the pseudo-Cenobites stands out as being especially creepy.

[@jamespaul6315]

Had a real Mike Mignola esque style

[@Necrowolf81]

art style was awful and butt fugly

[@Ferenczys]

@@Necrowolf81 it was a trend back then; Men in Black had the same art style. I think it suited the series tone really well though.

[@glassworktrophic8465]

That episode in particular left an impact on me as well. Its what solidified my interest in the show.

[@jamespaul6315]

Also werent there like killer clown types

[@orinanime]

I thoroughly enjoyed extreme Ghostbusters. I remember having a similar vibe to the Men in Black animated series. I definitely liked them both. I hope it gets released on DVD someday as a complete series

[@scottskene8387]

I will admit, when the show first came out, I never gave it a chance. I saw "Extreme", rolled my eyes, and avoided it. Years later, I watched it after binging the complete series of Real Ghostbusters and cursed myself for not giving it a chance. I would love to see the Extreme team make a more substantial comeback

[@ottawamonsterpocalypse7729]

I didn't know about it but also would have passed because of "Extreme" had I known.

[@jasterthefathyena1843]

I grew up with the og Real Ghostbusters, and did the same. Also thought initially the art looked a bit samey to a lot of the other animation of the time, and yeah... it was, once I watched it it did fit the tone of the show. and once I realized it actually was a true sequal, and honestly a good one too, I watched the whole series and felt sad there wasn't more. The 2009 Videogame, and the IDW books have been pretty equally my favorite 'sequels, but this ones a close second to those

[@AlphamagnusCreations]

I did the same with Firefly. Never gave it a chance then was gifted the box set and got angry about missing it the first run for dumb reasons

[@NickolasNameolas]

This was me as well, I was getting closer to middle school age and I could tell when I was being aggressively marketed to, anything with the word Extreme made me instinctively turn my nose up. But I watched the pilot a year ago and enjoyed it. This channel will probably get around to GI Joe Extreme and Extreme Dinosaurs one day, lol.

[@DietrichGarbo]

Don’t feel bad. So much stuff was “extreme” that it was easy to pass it up.

[@KingOfTheRot]

I remember as a kid one of the things that got me hooked was Jim Cummings singing the extreme theme. Best version of the Ghostbusters theme.

[@deathsnitemaresinfullust2269]

Although i didn't really like the art style when it came out, i did still enjoy the fact that there was Ghostbusters on TV. A while back the Ghostbusters KZbin channel posted the whole 2 season series an episode a week before Afterlife came out. It was fun getting to rewatch it 😄👍

[@nemopouncey3827]

remember when G.I. Joe also went extreme.

[@deathsnitemaresinfullust2269]

@@nemopouncey3827 Haa! Ya, i had one of those color change in cold water GI Joes with a bright red suit and this yellow pack that held water for the "squirt shooting action". Think i got that shortly before i got the Guile Street Fighter\GI Joe Battle Tank, i still have the tank but idk where Guile went. 😄👍

[@TheCinemaniac]

This show introduced me to Ghostbusters and I even had some of the toys. I was vaguely aware of the earlier Ghostbusters (especially seeing that Back in the Saddle episode) at the time but being a kid, I hadn’t seen the movies or the original show. Looking at this show now as an adult, I realize that it was ahead of its time in certain aspects. And I also can still see why kid me was occasionally really traumatized by certain scenes or episodes. I mean, it had a killer clown and even Cenobites in one episode! This show is underrated.

[@Necrowolf81]

being a kid? that's no excuse. My cousin watched the first one around the age of 5 or 6 and loved it.

[@Mecha82]

Extreme Ghostbusters is such a underrated gem. It did what needed to be done and brought new things to franchise instead of getting stuck to just doing what The Real Ghostbusters already did all over again. What would had been point in making just more the same. But people do tend to fear change and kids are no different so it is what it is.

[@Three_Tiny_Robots]

Yeah, this review has me convinced to go track down a few episodes! 😄

[@Necrowolf81]

@@Three_Tiny_Robots there are quite a few on the ghostbusters YT channel

[@HeadHunter-mv2ht]

To be fair the one bit of change that was added (probably because of a meddling executive) kind of kneecapped the series.

[@GranMaese]

Hello, I'm the "ackchyually" guy that appears for a frame in the video, and I have to say I agree with almost everything you say, but this: "But people do tend to fear change". That's not actually a real reason, that's a fallacy, a buzzword people love to abuse to justify failure. People are not afraid of change, but people do tend to respect [a lot] originality and legacy, is innate to us to do so. That's why originals in pop-culture are usually regarded as better than all its sequels and derivative media, 'cause those originals were the ones that inspired and surprised everyone, those are the ones that put something new on the table, something innovative, and hence gathered attention from the public. All those sequels and derivative media, even if well done, almost always end up being more like a repeated punch-line, and it can be a good joke, even better executed than the original in some ways! But is a trick that has been seen before by the vast majority, know what I'm saying? The awe inspiring feeling of the original is almost certainly lost. The result? The vast majority of the audience is simply not interested, and fear has nothing to do with it. For a new media of whatever franchise to beat the original, it needs to add to the very thing that made the original so innovative to begin with, like Alien vs Aliens, or Terminator vs Judgement Day. Those added to the original concept material and made it better. Adding "every day drama to connect with modern audiences" [so to speak] to a show which original intention was never about "every day drama to connect with audiences" will never be a good idea, that would only work if that was the actual original concept.

[@fundyproductions5927]

The biggest problem probably was that back in the saddle should have been the first 2 episodes.

[@djhinton79]

My daughter started watching when she was 5 and fell in love with the show. I thought she was going to be afraid of the more "extreme" art style, but it was right down her alley. I saw it when it premiered a teen and loved it but never saw it thru. Getting to watch the whole thing with her and see a new Ghostbusters fan emerge was amazing.

[@wstine79]

I really enjoyed the Extreme Ghostbusters. I had a crush on Kylie Griffin. The episode where the Peter, Winston, and Ray come back was my favorite episode.

[@adam_marc_539]

Back in saddle. For sure!

[@DefaultProphet]

90s we’re full of hot goth girl cartoons. Still influencing to this day

[@Randomark3087]

@@DefaultProphet As someone who grew up in the 90s, that's definitely why I've been attracted to goth girls since my teen years.

[@thecunninlynguist]

I think that was many, myself included, fave ep

[@garthdavis4320]

Mine too.

[@luis1237]

I want the Extreme Ghostbusters to Return because there was so much potential and there was to many ghosts who didn’t appear in the show

[@aaronorenstein5963]

I definitely have a strong appreciation for Extreme Ghostbusters, and really wish it had a complete series home media release to go with the one we already have for The Real Ghostbusters. I think part of the reason why is due to the other cartoons some of the creative team were involved in: “Men in Black: The Series”, “Godzilla: The Series”, “Jackie Chan Adventures”, and the 2004 version of “The Batman”.

[@Canoby]

All excellent series. There was a reason I kept watching these action cartoons despite aging out of the target demographic

[@mightyfilm]

They made a cartoon series that basically salvaged a terrible movie with Godzilla, proving that the reason why that film was a failure was because of the (for lack of a better word) "talent" behind it. They used the same concepts and made an amazing series. Same deal with Men in Black. Great first movie, they blew it with every one of the sequels. They had a better pulse on those franchises than the movie makers themselves.

[@keiththompson9435]

You’re forgetting Rusty and Big Guy and eventually GI Joe Renegades and Transformers Prime

[@aaronorenstein5963]

You’re right, I didn’t think about those, and they’re among my favorites too!

[@DSan-kl2yc]

Mib and Godzilla had great openings

[@baditude41]

When I saw this when I was younger, I couldn't really appreciate how good it was. Now that I'm "old" and have watched some of the episodes, I can see how brilliant the show really was.

[@WillKeaton]

3:53 Hey, _Beakman's World!_ I remember watching _Beakman's World_ on Saturday mornings.

[@petersmithyy4556]

Love that great show

[@Gappasaurus]

5:57 Seeing this commercial again reminds me why that “Grab a can of SPLODE!” anti-smoking PSA was so epic 😆

[@Randomark3087]

I love "The Real Ghostbusters" for it's goofiness, and gross out humor. But I equally love "Extreme Ghostbusters" for it's darker tone, and graphic nature. I don't think I could pick one show over the other.

[@jesseperry9602]

I was going to post my opinion, but you pretty much verbatim said exactly what I would have.

[@nemopouncey3827]

what was with everything going extreme? even g.i. joe went extreme.

[@nemopouncey3827]

who you gonna call?

[@invisiblerevolution]

@@nemopouncey3827 Simple... it waa the late 90's bruh!

[@rickeyboyer4726]

Honestly, I can. Bcz I've already had this thing where I would occasionally hear myself say how I like Filmation's Ghostbusters, but I love DiC's The Real Ghostbusters, better! And having never seen this particular Real Ghostbusters spin-off series, (yet), but it all depends on the memories I had with any of these series growing up. And the sad reality is that I haven't taken advantage of Extreme Ghostbusters like I have with the other Ghostbusters-related series. Though, I sincerely hope to change all that come later this fall... just in time for its 25th anniversary! Just eternally grateful that all my favorite Ghostbusters characters (Ego, Janine and Slimer) all made it to the spin-off series. What are the odds?

[@dallas1701d]

Ghostbusters: The Video Game (2009) does contain a few nods to both RGB and XGB. Traps and PKE meters from both series are seen on the workbench in the basement, as well as some ghost character designs from RGB being used. Anytime I see the *slap* Ghostbusters Multiverse collide I get a warm nostalgia feeling :)

[@verbalfonders]

Loved Extreme Ghostbusters almost as much as I loved The Real Ghostbusters. Something about that art style they used on MIB, Godzilla, and Big Guy and Rusty really appealed to me

[@mrclaydawg92]

Big guy and Rusty 🥰🥰🥰

[@nukelex]

I remember them running a sweepstakes for the show during its run where they asked you to write to their P.O. Box to tell them who your favorite character was. My brother wrote to them explaining that liked Edwardo and a few weeks later he received a package in the mail containing an Edwardo action figure. I was dumbstruck.

[@brianjl7477]

I think I have to disagree with you assessment that Extreme GB was disliked because it was different - I thought it was great! I think a lot of fans would have too - IF they could have found it! You are right that the scheduling was abysmal and confusing - I could barely watch it around here. Still, this show made an effort to conntct to and honor the previous incarnation - hence casting Maurice LaMarche and also Back in The Saddle, which did include the same voices from RGB. This was not a case of something being too different, but more of just not having enough juice to get in front of the viewers at all, and it's too bad too.

[@cujoedaman]

I agree as well, when we watched these shows as kids, we didn't care if the character was black or in a wheel chair or was a girl. As long as it was a fun story and kept us entertained. The reason people don't like shows today is because they race/gender-swap established characters instead of making up new and interesting ones and then make them all gay. Then they attack the fans by calling them racists and saying "if you don't like it, don't watch it" and "it's not made for you" (which is a bullshit argument). And when the people don't watch it, they're called racists again after being told not to watch it.

[@drgribb]

The time-slot for me was a bonus, because it didn't have to compete with the big heavy hitters of the time for my attention. If it had aired at the same time as say, Spiderman, or idunno, like, Beatleborgs, I probably would've ignored it. People forget that there was a lot of competition at those timeslots back then.

[@Necrowolf81]

scheduling was one of the reasons the early 2000s heman got canceled. The day and time would change almost every week. Never knew when it was going to be on. I think ExGB would have done better with a more similar animation style to RGB.

[@brianjl7477]

@@drgribb Yeah, but where I was this came on like later on Sunday mornings, but only sometimes. If it had been consistent that might have been good, but half th etime it jsut wasn't on.

[@brianjl7477]

@@cujoedaman It's such a fine line. Diversity is great, but when they wedge it in so hard that it seems forced, it can be a turn-off. The trick with making new characters in a franchise is to build them up on their own merits, not try to tear down what came before to make the new one look cooker. Extreme GB didn't do that - see "Back In the Saddle." When the OG GB's show up, they are the coolest. The kids are a bit rankled at first when the OGs show 'em up, but then Peter, Ray, & Winston do start to feel their age too. It's all so respectful though, and is exactly how suff like this should be done!

[@davidanderson4748]

Oh man … a sly defense of GB 2016? Come on Dan, don’t make us leave you!

[@Zanders459]

Used to always love seeing this whenever it was on, but never knew how they came to form the new team. Honestly love that origin, them just being slacker college students taking the class for an easy credit. Also, the witch episode (the one that gets the goth gal in her room) and the sea spirit one that sucks the life out of you, are bonafide, genuine, nightmare fuel, even now

[@Necrowolf81]

none of those top the creepiness of the Boogeyman. that voice .......

[@Jukarakk]

I miss the times when Megatron turned to a gun, He-Man had shorts, Michelangelo had nunchakus and there were only Peter, Ray, Egon and Winston.

[@TerryTurner]

It was an interesting sequel to the real Ghostbusters series. Wished they made the movie after it.

[@nexus6100]

God I would love an extreme Ghostbusters movie. Definitely would be difficult to do with Harold ramis having passed away though

[@lordxmugen]

An Extreme Ghostbusters movie 1:1 would probably be pretty scary given how messed up certain episodes were. Like just doing something like the Chinese Bone Thief episode or even something relatively benign like the "wishing we'll" episode would be fairly chilling given the bride with no skin.

[@brint3453]

if it ever a moive the first two episodes would be it

[@Dargonhuman]

A lot of people - myself included - kept bringing up Extreme Ghostbusters during the 2016 reboot debacle as an example of how to do a "diverse" Ghostbusters reboot the right way. The team leader was a genuinely strong woman, the smart guy was black, the slacker was Latino and the muscle was a white guy in a wheelchair, it hit almost all of the so-called "woke" diversity checkboxes, and was still a worthy successor to The Real Ghostbusters. Why they didn't listen to the fans and do that instead of Bridesmaids with proton packs I will never, ever understand.

[@brint3453]

@@Dargonhuman i know right also the one with the kids, ar e like the jr ghostbusters from the tv show, and moreof a coming of age story, i know peoplle liked it but i was like Extreme did it beter

[@iIliterati]

As a disabled kid, I loved this show so much. There is basically no representation for us disabled folks in TV or movies. If there is we just sit at a desk the whole time or get kidnapped or something. We are never shown being heroic. Even to this day, I can only think of maybe 3 or 4 disabled characters that are the hero in the story in any way. I was so excited when the toys came out, and then I found out the only one they didn't make was Garrett. It honestly really upset me as a kid. Not like it's any different now nearly 30 years later. People get irrationally angry that Bran was even made King of Westeros. It'll never change.

[@aussiefurbymogwaifan6621]

As an autistic person, it should only be heroic if their disability isn’t their superpower and also inspiration porn is another form of harmful representation also used in tv and film. Also another thing is that Dan was autistic himself too! Idk if his character Ray was though…

[@jamespaul6315]

The problem with bran is his story was weak and he wasnt even really human any more. I dont think his disability has much to do with it.

[@iIliterati]

@@jamespaul6315 In what way was his story weak? He literally became the bastion for all human knowledge after having to go through hell and back. And ya, how awful it would be to have a leader who knows literally all information and can make decisions without being emotionally manipulated like every single other character. Jon would be a horrid leader, so would Sansa, and Arya.

[@Lastjustice]

Bran wasn't a really character by the end of the show, he was just a plot device. He basically jettisonned anything likeable or relateable about him and stopped being human once he became the 3 eyed raven. His storyline with Meera was probably what little he had going on, and it was cut as soon as he got back to the regular world. He cast her aside like a piece of trash supposedly for her own good but just comes off really crappy especially after she sacrificed so much for him including her own brother. Everyone that contributed to Bran reaching his end point was cast way side like Hodor and Summer. He's a hollowed out husk on multiple levels as it was questionable if Bran even existed at all as his body seeemed high jacked by something else and the original character was gone. At the end he did nothing but get trotted out to exposition dump and had the charisma of a cardboard box. Like if they picked a sentient toaster to be King of Westeros, actually that might been a better received choice than Bran for most people as he has nothing going for him to like. He easily one of the least likeable characters on the show, especially at the end. His storyline was on the back burner for large chunks of the show making it feel like the filler side story no wanted to see while better things were happening. It was left out Season 4 altogether and brought back in season 5. Everything about was slow moving and milked to a final conclusion everyone knew was coming by the time the shoe finnally dropped.... Jon Snow is the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar.(Which the show does nothing particularly interesting with once revealed after such massive build up.) Most fans care very little about Bran for that reason. It didn't help the last season was super rushed and didn't build up any of it's conclusions as Danny just goes from a sane person caring person to mad queen instantly making Anakin Skywalkers prequel falldown seem nuauced by comparison. You'd swear the studio was on fire as they filmed it for how fast they were trying wrap everything up. None of this helped out Bran or made the ending satisfying for fans. There's plenty of solid reasons to dislike everything about the final seasons of Game of Thrones. It has nothing do with Bran being in disabled. There's so many much better reasons to hate the way the show ended besides that aspect of it. I love Professor X and find him quite relateable regardless of being disabled..especially in the first class version where he's got so much responsiblity thrust upon him as we see him growing into the leader we know and love through his struggles. Seeing him break and struggle in Days of Future past and then go through the pep talk with his future self is a powerful scene. When Magneto calls him out like where were you, Charles? You were supposed to protect us, he has to come to terms with he absolutely failed as leader. He still has to get back on his horse and help as that's what being a hero is about. Most people can get his struggle and it transcends him being disabled. It's all very relateable. He's an actual likeable character also helps alot. Bran was not at the end of his story. Tyrion gives a silly speech about stories after pushing around chairs..Bam! Bran is king and everyone is like sure whatever. Sansa is Queen of the north so she doesn't give a crap. Not like Bran threw his hat in the ring or took any agency toward him to getting the job. He just waited till all the other people who could gotten the job died, doesn't want the job, or were removed in the running in someway. He basically is a parasite who worms his way to the top sacrificing countless others and succeeded while Little Finger failed to do the same. There's nothing building to this moment so there's no real payoff beyond the show is finally over. There's little fanfare in the show as no one cares about Bran even there. How do you expect people embrace a character that the show itself never does?

[@Lastjustice]

@@jamespaul6315 I fully agree. Bran was always treated as B or C plot to the mainstory and him being made king was just anticlimatic. Like if the winner of the world series got picked because everyone else in the MLB died of covid. Yay you win because everyone else is dead and you did nothing to deserve or earn this victory! No one would cheer for that. That's basically Bran in a nutshell. What's to like about him?

[@geardog24]

"Busting no longer made kids feel good." Uh...phrasing?

[@YesterdaysMoose]

As a kid I never understood why the Real Ghostbusters did that "weird" dance during the ending credits. Then, maybe a year ago, I actually watched the music video for Ray Parker Jr.'s Ghostbusters song and it finally made sense.

[@KyleX515]

This show had some legitimately creepy stuff in it. Absolutely loved it. Waking up at 5 in the morning to watch it on Saturdays sucked though.

[@ramiroezequielmoreno1774]

As a kid, these guys were the Ghostbusters. I discovered the movies much later on, and I can't recall watching the first cartoon. I really did enjoy these Ghostbusters back in the day, I didn't know that the show did bad. But I can see how bringing them back would be difficult. Maybe the new movies can serve as a spiritual successor, as you said, putting forward the idea that the original four won't be here forever, but there can still be Ghostbusters after them.

[@forrestdevine2336]

Zone-tan remembers Ghostbusters Extreme.

[@AbsolutelyTrashed]

I was going to post a link but it looks like it got scrubbed.

[@Derekivery]

As a kid who was super into the REAL Ghostbusters, I enjoyed the Extreme Ghostbusters as a teen. They never felt like the "real" Ghostbusters but it was nice having more stories.

[@blahlbinoa]

this came out when I was a freshman in highschool and I just loved it so much! The cast was great, the stories where a bit darker but wholesome. I had the Ecto 1 toy and the group, I already had the original Ghostbuster firehouse, and the new Ecto fit too! I wish they added the characters to Afterlife, would of been awesome to see them live action!

[@Spindash54]

The Extreme Ghostbusters did get an appearance in an expansion to the recent Board Game, including miniatures of the main 4 characters.

[@thewi2kbug]

"Philo" T. Farnsworth... TV Inventor

[@nightwing245]

Your point about people not liking change is flat out wrong. You cited two of the biggest examples. Star Trek TNG and Ghostbusters Afterlife. What these two did is respect what came before and not shit on the legacy that people loved. Ghostbutster 2016 was openly hostile to the very people who loved the franchise the most and paid the price. I honestly find it very hypocritical to say (oh people don't like because it's not the original) then go and cite TNG, THE biggest example of how to reboot a franchise with an all new cast.

[@nobalkain624]

What we want is for what came before to be respected. If they want to move on and do a reboot that fine, but dont crap on what came before if want to bring back the old Fans. I was okay with the idea of 2016 GB until they started attacking what came before and the old Fans. You would think they would have learned by now since this has never once worked out for them.

[@nightwing245]

@@nobalkain624 That's why Afterlife worked so well. The og Ghostbusters show up for like 5 minutes max.

[@MudSluggerBP]

Ghostbusters Answer the Call was shit end of and had nothing to do with the casting. It was just very poorly written and directed, which is a shame as I seriously enjoyed the partnership of Melissa McCarthy and Pauli Feig in SPY 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@alicekingston8521]

I got a big rush of nostalgia from this one. I loved this show when I was a kid. It was this show, Mummies Alive, and Beast Wars were the morning shows I loved around this time. I was in 4th grade when all this came out, and it felt like it was the best morning block of cartoons. One episode that stood out to me was dealing with fears. They had to bust a ghost that attacked people with their fears, and I remember it getting pretty gnarly in the episode. It did get pretty heavy, but I think that was a running theme of a lot of kids cartoons in the early 90's. It was either gross out humor, or self aware an wanted to get into some darker themes. When you go from Eek the Cat to the Batman animated series, your mileage varies considerably.

[@gabrielzepeda6725]

This truly was an excellent way to continue an already established franchise and not wreck it .Both shows are still fun to watch, and hold up with all the time that has passed.

[@nemopouncey3827]

it was good to see the o.g. one's on the series.

[@gabrielzepeda6725]

@@nemopouncey3827 Back in The Saddle were Fantastic Episodes to bring the team's together

[@nemopouncey3827]

@@gabrielzepeda6725 hope he talks about G.I. Joe extreme next.

[@gabrielzepeda6725]

@@nemopouncey3827 I would love to see that, and have him talk about those live action intros for that show.

[@TheRobotAssassin]

That Established Titles sponsorship aged like vintage Ghostbusters ectoplasm!🤣

[@blahblahpocalyspe8323]

I watched a Extreme Ghostbusters cartoon just a few weeks ago... It's my favorite one to watch.

[@TrueYellowDart]

In junior high, my media teacher brought in a friend/guest who had developed an idea akin to “Ghostbusters: The Next Generation.” This was about 1994. I have no idea if this guy and his ideas had anything to don with Extreme Ghostbusters, but I like to think that maybe his patch idea resulted in some credit or something for him.

[@Shrapnel82]

There's not a negative reaction to diversity today. Ghostbusters is a good example. Ghostbusters: Afterlife features a diverse cast. What fans negatively react to is disrespect for the source material, using diversity as a shield for poor quality work (if you don't like the show, it's because you hate women/Black people), diversity as the only thing a story has, and disdain of the fans. Ghostbusters 2016 had all of these. Extreme Ghostbusters could probably have done better in modern times. The creators didn't attack fans, the characters were characters beyond their racial/gender identity, and there was respect for the source materials.

[@Shrapnel82]

@@drgribb I'm not saying you can't enjoy it. People have different tastes. Why do you think I'm not open minded? That was the problem with the 2016 Ghostbusters. It was incredibly hamfisted. Moreover, it was the main, if not only, selling point. Rather than talk about the movie in terms of story or acting, everything was about how important it was to have an all-female cast. Beyond that, it was promoted as better because it was all female, and that audiences had to like it, or else be denounced as misogynists. It was promoting an agenda. Ghostbusters was originally created by people who put hard work, creativity, and passion into it. It succeeded and became a beloved franchise because of they created something people enjoyed. Feige, and the rest of 2016's creators, appropriated the hard work of those who came before them, and used it for their own agenda. The Aliens and Terminator franchise have long had female centered stories. No one complained about them. There wasn't any backlash against Wonder Woman. Those were all original stories. It would be as if a Mulan sequel/reboot was made where the main character was played by Bruce Willis, and the studio promoted it as a better movie with Willis in the lead role, and if you don't like it, you're a horrible bigot.

[@alwaysxnever]

Both are true. Some people use it as a shield, but their legitimately are people that just call any show/movie ,"woke" that strays from what they want which seems to be just white people in starring roles and mentioning anything considered politically left. When it wouldn't be left leaning anywhere BUT in America.

[@RonJDuncan]

@@Shrapnel82 Agreed. 2016 sacrificed the writing in order to promote "Hey, all women ghostbusters." If your sticking point is about the diversity of the cast instead of making a movie everybody enjoys because it's a good story, it will show. When people called out how bad it was, the accusations started flying. There are plenty of videos out there that compare the two that expose the very real flaws in the '16 movie, but for some people, the all-female team "existing" makes it the better film.

[@Lastjustice]

They basically made a scene for scene worse version of the original film in the 2016. it failed for that and the cast attacked the fans for not liking it. The how thing was a clusterfudge of bad ideas and bad execution. Red Letter media really does a great job of breaking down why it fails as hard as it does. It's one Ghostbusters movie I will never bother owning.

[@randallbesch2424]

@@Shrapnel82 the hate came early on long before it was released. That should tell you something.

[@DocLantern85]

I first watched at my grandma's house early when I was a kid. I was so excited when I found out that the local channel in my town played Extreme Ghostbusters and it came on after school. I never missed an episode. Garrett and Kylie were my favorite characters. I used come home from school, grab an extreme watermelon All Sport and watch it. And that Extreme Dinosaurs Ghostbusters commercial had me in shock. Such nostalgia!!

[@pr0t34n]

Egon: PhD, professor at Columbia, then a Ghostbuster, then back to Columbia, then back to Ghostbustering, then professor at a community college. That last one is quite the professional step down

[@drgribb]

Never made tenure, I guess, and figured he'd rather focus on teaching and didn't enjoy the "publish or perish" environment of a big R1 university. Perhaps he also had some difficulty securing research funding. Idk, I don't think it's quite the academic disgrace that you make it out to be. It should be totally acceptable to make that kind of switch imho.

[@daniellara4376]

This was like 1 of 3 cartoons I could catch in my area on a Saturday night to watch since I didn’t have cable. This, men in black and extreme dinosaurs made my Saturdays fun

[@DiodeMilliampere]

Kylie is an unsung goth goddess

[@undefined7141]

I need a multiverse ghostbusters series in my life, NOW!

[@randallbesch2424]

The original plan that Aykroyd's first draft of the script.

[@MentalLiberation]

I remember the show coming on in NYC in the morning at 8:30, which was right when school started for me and others. Talk about rough. Still, kudos to the multiverse of Ghostbusters that allows for not just this to coexist with the original, but also allows the awesome video game to do the same. That game for a long time was my Ghostbusters 3 until Afterlife. Both are great and this series gets kudos for what it attempted

[@randallbesch2424]

The video game was the 3rd movie and Afterlife is #4 and the new one is really an Extreme #1,

[@RoseKindred]

I LOVED Extreme Ghostbusters. When I first heard of them doing a new Ghostbusters movie I was wishing it would be based on E-GB.

[@mlarowe]

I was a GB fan, and I was an XGB fan. I loved how it was a continuation of the old show and I really connected to the characters as a kid.

[@tombirge8632]

The trendmasters Ecto-1 was a gem, it spurred on my love of toy that made noise!

[@supercrownjosie7732]

this show was so hard to find in my market. I loved watching it when I could but finding it was always the struggle. I think if it had wound up on Toonami, it could have had the same second wind that Reboot, Sailor Moon, and Dragon Ball Z received-- all shows that originally ended due to just being too hard to find on TV.

[@AtotheDamn]

same. I saw magazine ads (remember those?) but it was never on round here.

[@TMC1982Part2]

According to Radio Discussions, these are the markets that aired Extreme Ghostbusters: WBB in Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, WV+ WSBK 38 in Boston, MA WNGS 67 in Buffalo, NY WFVT 55 in Charlotte, NC WFLI 53 in Chattanooga, TN WCIU 26 in Chicago, IL WBQC 25 in Cincinnati, OH WVWB in Clarkburg/Weston, WV+ WBNX 55 in Cleveland/Akron, OH WWHO 53 in Columbus, OH KTXA 21 in Dallas/Fort Worth, TX* WDRL 24 in Danville (Roanoke/Lynchburg), VA WDWB 20 in Detroit, MI KEVU 34 in Eugene, OR KZWB in Eugene, OR+* WLYH 15 in Harrisburg/Lancaster/Lebanon/York, PA KTXH 20 in Houston, TX* WTTV 4 in Indianapolis, IN WWWB 32 in Lakeland (Tampa/St. Petersburg), FL KCOP 13 in Los Angeles, CA WBFS 33 in Miami, FL WBNE 59 in New Haven (Hartford), CT WWOR 9 in New York City, NY KOCB 34 in Oklahoma City, OK WBPC in Panama City, FL+ WBPB in Parkersburg/Marietta, WV+ WGTW 48 in Philadelphia, PA* KUTP 45 in Phoenix, AZ KWBP 32 in Portland, OR* KTXL 40 in Sacramento, CA XETV 6 in San Diego, CA KBHK 44 in San Francisco, CA KSTW 11 in Seattle/Tacoma, WA KONG 16 in Seattle/Tacoma, WA* WUPL 54 in Slidell (New Orleans), LA KSKN 22 in Spokane, WA WNGT 48 in Toledo, OH WDCA 20 in Washington, DC WTVX 34 in West Palm Beach, FL ---- + Cable-only affiliate of The WB 100+ Station Group * Ran the show during the 1999-2000 season

[@zigfaust]

I have NEVER forgotten about this show, Kylie was my spirit animal.

[@josephzowghi4313]

I really liked the show. I was really young when the original Ghostbusters movie came out, and by the time Extreme Ghostbusters hit the airwaves I was ready for something a bit more intense. The presence of Egon, Janine, and Slimer didn't hurt, either. I really liked the episode in which Slimer had to enter the containment unit, confronted by the many ghosts he'd helped put away.

[@cujoedaman]

Kinda hoping with "Afterlife" they go something similar to this, the boys "passing the torch" to the kids, maybe with Ray being the helpful one since Egon is no longer with them. I'm sure it could work.

[@adampoole948]

I loved Extreme Ghostbusters as a kid... The darker tone, darker visuals, the goth girl character Kylie that I had a crush on as a kid, and the fun opening theme song. Also liked the super twisted episode "Deadliners" that parodied elements of Hellraiser and having the victims stuck in their surgically altered appearances even after the ghosts were defeated

[@harrypothead42024]

I'm a trekkee, I have been forever. I decided long ago that the Multiverse was the only path to happiness. I have decided that every single episode of every single thing that I watch is occurring in a quantumly isolated universe. The only time I ever would allow that two episodes of the same series are occurring in the same exact Quantum reality is if, every single person included in production and writing are exactly the same, nobody new nobody left out that includes people working in the office.

[@adam_marc_539]

This show was great loved the dark tones. And the toy line was amazing. Role play. Ecto 1. Action figures. Just needed a fire house play set. Also love how they brought Kylie into the idw cannon

[@jonfoster5685]

Extreme Ghostbusters is exactly why started writing a Ghostbusters 3 script years ago. I made one a lot of changes though. 20 years later, Egon just passed, Baby Oscar has been attending Egon's classes as he still has a connection to the spirit realm. The rest of the students are Egon's protégé's. The remaining three reunite at the fountain, all except Egon. Peter ask where he is, he doesn't know yet. Solm moment, then shit starts to happen so on and so forth. (I've given enough away, go write your own!)I absolutely think this show could work today. Especially with how everything has to be so diversified these days. I know you may not have been a huge fan, but I think you undersold how much us fans have revered it through the ages. Most of us were way more accepting than you think. Time slots is what really killed it.

[@t0xcn253]

That whole thing with the shifting time slots, I mean I grew up fairly obsessed with the "Real Ghostbusters" owning a bunch of the figures and enjoying the two films as much as a small child could be expected to, so I would likely have been the target audience for Extreme, some one who loved the ghostbusters, but showed up late to the party (born in 87). Ultimately I enjoyed the episodes I was able to catch, but even a TV guide skimming obsessive like my child self was thwarted by the endlessly shifting time slot, and eventually keeping up with the show became more than my attention span could bear.

[@vgtrp]

Extreme Ghostbusters didn't air locally where I live. But, I recently saw some episodes on Hulu, and its an underrated gem that I gladly take over the Q5 episodes of The Real Ghostbusters.

[@UltraPokeZ]

The real Ghostbusters was a amazing show that now as a adult I still watch. Even extreme Ghostbusters was a awesome series, which honestly in so many ways afterlife took a lot of it's ideas from extreme Ghostbusters. Am I the only one who thinks hearing the proton pack and ecto-1 sounds is so satisfying to hear.

[@vitoguttilla2926]

Mmmmm No. Nowhere did Jason Reitman or Gil kenan ever credit ex gb for any ideas for GB Afterlife. Afterlife picks up After GHOSTBUSTERS 2. 1997 isn't Canon.

[@aussiefurbymogwaifan6621]

@@vitoguttilla2926 I don’t think any of the 2 animated gb series are cannon though, so it makes me wonder if they will do the same for this new Netflix series too🤔

[@richardhalligan7900]

How Extreme Ghostbusters was never made into a film is beyond me. I grew up watching the Real Ghostbusters and the movies and when this series came out in the mid 90's I still watched it.

[@NebLleb]

Extreme Ghostbusters is a rare case of a "diverse" cast done RIGHT. All the characters are unique in one way or another, and the writers focused on making them as fantastic to follow as possible, rather than pushing a message.

[@DisgruntledDoomer]

I remember when it was airing, but never got into it... the characters seemed so unappealing. One was in a wheelchair, making me feel sad for him, another (the 'slacker') looked like a school bully - and I don't think I even registered Kylie as being a girl! However, I still think Ghostbusters is an interesting franchise, and hope to watch the Extreme episodes too, at some point.

[@nobalkain624]

Its almost like Diversity existed before all these people started crying about it on Twitter and forcing it into everything, even if it doesnt help tell the Story. When done right you dont even notice, its just part of the Story.

[@cmbjive]

That's what I said elsewhere. The politics didn't exceed the story.

[@superspicysoysauce8231]

And how the show writers respected the legacy characters. The two parts special episodes is an excellent example how old and new characters interact with each other.

[@AustynSN]

"Wow, this place brings back memories. You know, Ray and I got kicked out of here back in 1982 for trying to reanimate the dead." -Egon Spengler. (One of my two favorite lines from the character across the entire franchise.)

[@mackbower9681]

Loved extreme Ghostbusters! I think I had a mostly complete set of the toys as a kid, probably owing to them going on clearance

[@zerovalon6243]

The wonders of a K.B. Toys. 👍😀

[@ikenosis8160]

"'bustin' no longer made kids feel good." -Dan Larson 2022

[@HardluckHapa]

“Forgotten Failure”?! Good Sir. The defamation! This series is beloved…. by a select few. Sincerely thank you for the great content.

[@lutherheggs451]

Thats literally the definition of a forgotten failure. It literally only had 1 season....A select few loving it, doesn't mean it was successful.....It was even more of a failure than the 2003 TMNT that only had half the seasons that 87 TMNT had

[@belgainduran5711]

As a kid who grew up on the Real Ghostbusters and the original movies, I enjoyed this show a lot. Yeah, part of me wasn't ready for the darker tone, but I loved the animation style, the new characters, and the link between the two shows with my Favorite Ghostbuster, Egon Spengler, being the mentor to the new team. I have always been a fan of a series passing the torch to a new generation while maintaining a legacy character as a mentor type, and Extreme Ghostbusters was the show for me... WHEN I COULD FIGURE OUT WHEN IT WAS ON. The BIGGEST problem was, as you theorized, the inconsistency with the time slots. It would make random moves through the week to the point I eventually gave up trying to watch it, cause I couldn't remember when it was supposed to be on. And this was during a time when the timeslot was critical to a shows success. You go on after school, you better not be on at the same time as Power Rangers. On in the morning before school? Better avoid the hell out of Beast Wars. Saturday Morning? Wow, there were shows competing for attention then too. Extreme Ghostbusters wasn't ahead of it's time. It came out in an era where there were too many properties vying for attention, and it sadly wasn't a strong enough competitor to win against most of the competition.

[@aquateenchris]

Loved this series as a kid. Always tried to watch it in the morning before school

[@duckmurai]

Richard Raynis is also involved with production of The Simpsons until today. Had a good refresher when the series was uploaded to KZbin.

[@choostopher5018]

That was a punch to the stomach! I think people are very accepting of diversification they just don't want established characters to be changed or neutered. I was hopeful for a live action Extreme Ghostbusters instead of that last movie (which was fine if a bit depressing.)

[@Ventrux]

I'm freaking in love with Extreme Ghostbusters, it was so good. One of the best chapters in both Real Ghostbusters and Extreme Ghostbusters is the one with the Boogieman, oh boy, that guy is nightmare material for a cartoon and is the reason to be a Ghostbuster for Egon. I love it.

[@giggabyte6413]

Im sorry, i know the 2016 Ghostbusters got alot of flack, and alot of the criticism was just palmed off as sexist, which there sadly was alot of, but on its own merits, it was just a really really bad film :/

[@AaronZOOM]

The worst thing Extreme Ghostbusters did was bring back the Dave Coulier version of Peter for 'Back in the Saddle.' Honestly, I would have been happier with a Lorenzo Music sound-alike.

[@Jgosse]

I absolutely loved extreme GB . Great cast, Great diverse characters, great stories. It was absolutely amazing and wish they had done more with it.

[@zanebaverstock7727]

They never should have been cancelled! It was a really lovely serious

[@GoddessOfWhim2003]

see, the 90s just DID diversity. they were racially diverse without beating you over the head

[@ToysWeRemember]

The multiverse bit is genius

[@chikex]

It's funny, you talk of the world being adverse to diversification of characters, yet I seem to remember the fans in general being pretty positive of the characters in Afterlife. Maybe the 2016 Ghostbusters was just bad? And I, for one, would love to see some of the Extreme team introduced in the next live action film, particularly Roland...

[@CR7659]

2016 was just terrible.

[@jbalien20]

The 2016 wasn't bad at all. It was fun and funny. Too be honest, funnier than Afterlife.

[@CR7659]

@@jbalien20 Hey look everyone we found the one person who liked lady ghostbusters

[@CommodoreFan64]

Yes the 2016 movie was just terrible, and the way the cast treated people online, and in the press did not help anything, as they attacked reviewers who gave it a bad score with honest criticism, and even people like James Rolfe aka Angry Video Game Nerd for making a public video stating he was staying away from the movie, and not reviewing it whatsoever. just all around vile, and evil people involved with that film.

[@drgribb]

2016 was fine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Trayxxxx]

Kylie Griffin: On three.... All: THREE!!! *start blasting their proton packs* I absolutely loved Extreme Ghostbusters as much as I love The Real Ghostbusters. Great characters, witty lines, and some creepy as hell ghost. It also has one of my favorite series finales of all time.

[@Surreal469]

Just HAD to go back to the lie that Feigbusters blow back was sexist? C'mon. You're better than that. Also, you know better. Everyone does. Also diversification isn't the issue you're pretending it is. When it's done as a cheap stunt and a criticism shield, it is a problem. XG was a great show. You even mention how Garret's wheelchair wasn't his defining trait. Meanwhile, these days "diverse" is the only trait characters today often get. THAT'S the problem. No one had a problem with the cast of XG. In fact, Kylie was the one we all wanted to come back in the movies if possible. She was great. The cheap shots at strawman "basement dwellers" is 7 years past it's expiration date and part of the reason GB will always have a dark cloud around it now. Just let

[@Nckwealey]

The updated theme song still rocks

[@TipsterLIVE]

I always loved this show. A shame it didn’t last long.

[@alwaysxnever]

I don't remember seeing a single episode of this show but have always been curious. This should be an amazing episode.

[@adamnapolitano432]

It's not that the fans don't want the brand to evolve and change, the problem is that Extreme wasn't allowed to gain a foothold it deserved. Nobody saw Extreme and thought it was "too diverse" that's psychotic, it was only given a single season and that's the problem, it couldn't gain the recognition it deserved because in the grand scheme of things it was blink and you'll miss it. As for the 2016 reboot, the only problem that had was that it was a soulless, brain dead comedy. The biggest misconception is that Ghost Busters was/is a comedy, it's not. It had funny people and funny lines, but so does Thor Ragnarok, but we don't call that a comedy, we still call that a super hero movie. The original Ghost Busters was Story first and Comedy second, that's what made it work, it had a solid story and characters, the exact same reason Thor Ragnarok worked. All the 2016 reboot was in comparison was a comedy first and a comedy second, it wasn't trying to evolve the franchise, it wasn't trying to be a real story, it just took the old franchise, crumbled it up, tossed it in the trash and told you that if you didn't automatically approve of it then you were sexist/racist. It didn't try to earn any respect from the fans, it just leached off the brand. Afterlife in comparison was received tremendously well, people loved it, they loved the new characters, they loved how it honored the original movies, and just like the first movie, it was Story First and Comedy Second, but it also had a third component that the original didn't need at the time, it had heart! Yeah that's cliché sounding bit I think for an 80's revolving channel it sound appropriate. Ghost Busters Afterlife had the Heart truly needed to bring the franchise forward, to move past the original 4 Ghost Busters and , to honer them and their actors. It wasn't a soulless product like the reboot was, it was a real movie and audiences treated it with the same level of respect that it showed them. You can find tons of people today that will look back at Extreme Ghostbusters and wonder why it didn't go on for longer, why they weren't aware of it at the time, how they discovered it and wished there was more, but don't think the diversity in the show was problem, that's pure ignorance.

[@TinVoid]

Thanks for making a video about this series, I really loved it as a kid, and remember it fondly now, years after. I never knew what happened to it.

[@andreworillion5970]

Philo is pronounced "Fi-low". It's a reference to Philo Farnsworth, the inventor of television.

[@jkhachad]

Great video! Producer Jeff Kline is a friend, so very cool to see this now.

[@MrOzone-hc1py]

I loved this show as a kid, was disappointed when it was canceled.

[@vitoguttilla2926]

Obviously the Audience grew tired of it, and the ratings didn't warrant further seasons.

[@nalgenelidtether]

I distinctly remember only watching this show during a marathon on TV Thanksgiving morning one year. I remember liking it, as I had liked the reruns of the Real Ghostbusters, but I was never able to find it on TV after that.

[@shofiemahowyn]

I loved this show so much! It tackled so many heavy issues and did it really well. The intro was a banger too.

[@rvaldrich]

JESUS man! That final closing paragraph or whatever was actually really moving. I know played partially for laughs or sarcasm, but...yeah. Good on you for poignancy and truth.

[@shadhinov]

Bro. I loved the extreme Ghostbusters as a kid. The intro is my definition of the Ghostbusters song.

[@Revcharge]

this was more diverse than 2016 version: - a goth chick. - disabled white guy. - slacker Latino. - smart black dude.