The Forgotten Shows of Disney Plus

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Disney Plus is one of the biggest streamers in the world, but it has some trouble launching shows not based on their biggest properties. In this video I go over shows they've canceled so far and what they can tell us about the state of Disney.
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[@captainmidnight]

Do you think Disney+ should try to make more original shows and rely less on Marvel and Star Wars? See my videos ad free at nebula.tv/captainmidnight

[@bennyweb6378]

Yes

[@sjmhadsock4586]

Yes

[@rogueguardian]

For sure 👍

[@j.b.c.a.]

If they manage to get all the Hulu stuff on Disney+ (like in Europe) that'd directly solve that problem.

[@chasehedges6775]

Yes they should

[@cancerino666]

Removing content from a streaming service is non-sensical. It costs them nothing to keep them there. They could just have a category for abandoned stuff they don't want to highlight because they might think its not good enough. Like, "The Archives". Or something.

[@darthamalgamation]

They probably had to pay residuals to people involved with the show for as long as the show was on the service. They're probably trying to cut costs.

[@cancerino666]

@@darthamalgamation if that's the case, then it's a problem on how the contracts were written. residuals could be based off viewership.

[@G-LukeJA]

@Failingpepper 11 but isn't that the reason why they removed all those animated series on HBOMAX

[@LightPink]

@Failingpepper 11 hemlock grove is from 2013, euphoria is from 2019, one is Netflix the other is HBO.

[@Paulxl]

​@@cancerino666 You don't make any money from viewership in streaming tho.

[@adrianarias-hernandez7472]

In my opinion, Disney should focus on more original animated content in a similar vein to The Owl House and Amphibia in which it prioritizes story driven plots.

[@mimismsx]

I agree! I only watch their animated content, I don't even browse through their live-action content because it's not even half as good as their animated things.

[@onepresence9460]

Couldn't agree more. My favorite Disney content are the animated ones. They have a lot of potential.

[@negressprincess]

It doesn’t look like they will be doing that anymore.

[@MattGOnYT]

Especially since Disney+ is where shows like The Owl House have been thriving. The Owl House was cancelled for being too mature and having an older target audience than other Disney shows, but shows with similar traits like Clone Wars were huge hits for Disney+

[@racionador]

surprised me disney is not doing that already, i wonder how much better shows like amphibia and owl house would do if they were on disney+ from the begnning

[@BugsyFoga]

Its definitely ashame that Disney canned the lizzie McGuire revival like that, cause if the icarly revival was possible it could definitely of worked.

[@EChacon]

Even it doesn't help that the original heads at Disney+ decided to move _Love, Victor_ from Disney+ to Hulu cause from their POV they thought it was to edgy on Disney+, yet they had the Marvel, Star Wars, Nat Geo and the Simpsons content which were in the TV-14/PG-13 rating so it was a double standard reasoning.

[@poisonedyoyo]

It's not about it working. Disney has a brand to uphold. There was once going to be a procession where all the Disney princesses were pushing strollers at Disney World but the concept was scrapped because someone pointed out that this would imply that the princesses had sex, and Disney doesn't want to do that. They probably wouldn't care NOW, in 2022, with their ridiculous gromming efforts, but back then they didn't, and taking a pre/early teen like Lizzie McGuire and showing a birth scene of her in her thirties, yeah, no, thanks. I haven't seen it but since Raven's Home airs on Disney Channel, I'd say that's more the direction they should've gone with Lizzie McGuire, only there is one caveat to that, they do not want content that could just air on Disney Channel to be riginals on Disney+. After all, Disney Channel needs its purpose, it releases in general the best television content for the company, but yeah. As soon as I heard the Lizzie McGuire stuff was going in a very adult direction, like not even just portraying the characters as adults, literally dealing with themes I'd rather not, I didn't want it anymore. It's bad enough to see TRAILERS for Hulu playing in front of KZbin videos, very disgusting stuff, for Disney to do that to Lizzie McGuire would be a complete disgrace. Not that Disney hasn't disgraced themselves aplenty. The sequel to Frozen...they screwed up Anna, like what the heck? Then there's High School Musical the Musical the Series, where they once again disrespected Frozen. Pixar has also fallen off the wayside with their last four movies, although Elio and Inside Out 2 are good on paper at the very least.

[@inkiadk]

@@Inebriated_Goat Disney+ isn't in China so maybe we can actually blame Americans for once?

[@inkiadk]

It's funny cause Disney is now allowing mature content. So like let's bring back Lizzie while we are at it.

[@EChacon]

@@inkiadk It's going to be a while longer as Hilary Duff is now doing _"How I Met Your Father"_

[@bongchoof]

Dude, Lizzie would have been successful for sure. 3 seasons I guarantee. They just needed to be patient because they were new. I hate that they got everyone back together just to tear them apart again. That must have hurt for the team. It would have been the lower end of a PG-13 rating at worst. Lordy.

[@Joenah5]

I think it's incredibly unethical to remove shows from all streaming services. At that point, it should enter the public domain.

[@Fork1]

A pirates life for me....

[@PainMonkey]

I think of such things as public domain at this point. Problem is, though, they often get pulled because of rights issues. If they're trying for a tax write off is better to make the show disappear as much as possible. And if they're trying to avoid artist's residuals, then making the work public domain could violate multiple contracts. Also, if the project was just shelved, they may be selling the distribution rights elsewhere.

[@JamesLupus]

This is why I buy physical media.

[@KasumiKenshirou]

@@JamesLupus When they actually release on physical media, that's great. The first two seasons of The Orville are only on DVD and not Blu-Ray, and the third season is not on physical media at all.

[@onepresence9460]

I would love to see more original animated movies and animated shows from Disney Plus since The Owl House and Amphibia are ending. We hardly have any brand new modern original cartoons there.

[@poisonedyoyo]

Okay so, allow me to introduce you to two current animated shows. One of them is made from Dave Povenmire who brought us Phineas and Ferb. This one is called Hamster and Gretel and is really good. Honestly, Kevin looks a lot like Jeremy even wearing his color scheme. The other show is The Ghost and Molly McGree, a bit weird but the episodes are at least worth going through once. Firebuds also just dropped on there and I'm liking it, especially after Cars on the Road was dealing too much with scare factor and adult things. CArs 3 also has this problem, it has lost the fun. I was fine enough with it on the big screen but home viewing, no thanks. But Firebuds, that's something for sure, only seen one episode though but yeah. Monsters at Work is coming back next year, Zootopia+ is on the way in November, and on TOP of that, back in December 2020, Disney announced there would be WDAS and Pixar animated films brought to the service over the next ten years, released there as originals. At the time, they hadn't counted on Luca and Turning Red being among that number, but clearly they are counted. I believe they said 15 from those studios together over the next ten years but you can check if you want. That means that number from BOTH, not from each. Maybe they said ten of those over the next ten years though, that makes more sense. But they definitely said 15 series. So far there has been and will be: Cars on the Road, Zootopia+, Iwaju, Baymax, Dug Days, Tiana, Moana, Win or Lose.

[@onepresence9460]

@@poisonedyoyo Thank you very much for the informations. I will check them out ^^

[@johnpaulsylvester3727]

Based on the deleted scenes alone, I think they could make a show set in the world of The Incredibles.

[@aroccoification]

Turner and houch is the perfect disney show. The dad is dead and the dog inexplicably must be immortal to be alive since the 80s

[@SeasideDetective2]

Why not make the revival a period piece, and set it in the '90s?

[@aroccoification]

@@SeasideDetective2 beacuse the whole point of using an old IP and sending it directly to streaming with a known actor who doesnt get much work is to have the show cost as little as possible. Theyre not going to put money into 90s wardrobe

[@maestrogeicho]

The dog had kids at the end of the first one, I thought the new one was supposed to be one of those kids

[@aroccoification]

@@maestrogeicho even then that's a 30 year old dog lol

[@SeasideDetective2]

@@maestrogeicho Oh, so this is like "The Simpsons," where Lisa's cat, Snowball II, was killed, and she just got another cat and pretended THAT one was Snowball II.

[@julioagua]

I never thought Disney Plus had enough shows to dare to cancel any of them...

[@kasaiart1281]

You are one of my all-time favorite creators.

[@haydenhouts]

Same

[@chasehedges6775]

His content is awesome

[@fosterwilliamson01]

I read this as milk

[@unnoticed]

I actually enjoyed hemlock Grove, I watched it when it first released and was a different take on vamps and werewolves... Also insane that they are removing their own series from Netflix, thankfully I downloaded it a few months ago adding to my collection of things you'll never find again in a few years

[@clarktooncrossing3975]

Anybody remember how we were supposed to get a new Lizzie McGuire show? They had footage of that in the trailer for Disney+'s launch day! Or how about the new shorts for Oswald the Lucky Rabbit? I was super eager to see the bunny get some love outside of the Epic Mickey games. Heck, why'd they cancel that Kingdom Keepers movie? I used to love the books when I was younger, I would've loved to see it brought to life on the big / small screen. Ugh, I hate how safe Disney plays it these days. Especially since their 'kid friendly' excuse is long gone with stuff like Daredevil and Deadpool on Disney+ now. For the record, still waiting for the Alien and Predator movies to be added as well.

[@chasehedges6775]

Disney is just full of untapped potential, really

[@poisonedyoyo]

I would've liked them to make Peter and the Stracatchers a Disney+ movie. Well, sort of. There's only one good Disney+ original movie so far, The Secret Society of Second-Born Royals. There are a couple that were acceptable and like good enough for a single viewing, well three actually, Chip and Dale being one. But an actual movie can't be built on cameos. Anyhow, Peter and the Starctachers was greenlit, it had the Hunger Games director, but LOOK, ten years after Hunger Games came out, this still isn't a thing! (The author of Kingdom Keepers is one of the co-writers of Peter and the Starcatchers.) Also, Oz the Great and Powerful was supposed to be a trilogy, second movie still not out yet, and first one not on Disney+. It was Joey King's movie debut. She's come a lont way, now has been in The Kissing Booth and Bullet Train.

[@onepresence9460]

I want the new shorts for Oswald!

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Can a Disney’s Tarzan 3d animated reboot exist on Disney plus? And where can the upcoming Disney’s Tarzan live action movie become so wrong?

[@ajzeg01]

The Alien and Predator movies, and a TON of other R-rated content, are on Disney+ in literally every region BUT the US.

[@EChacon]

Pretty much the ONLY Disney+ shows that Disney has really canceled were _The Right Stuff, Diary of a Future President,_ and _Turner & Hooch._ The former and the latter shows were canceled after 1 Season and _Diary_ was canceled after 2 seasons.

[@poisonedyoyo]

From what I can tell, a lot of their family content can easily or should have season twos. Monsters at Work season two was announced for next year. Chip and DAle Park Life should have one. Dunno when though. But when you have season two of Mighty Ducks GAme Changers, Big Shot, AND The Mysterious Benedict Society all debuting int he span of one month, I'd say that's how it is. I would say Dairy of a Future Presdient lasted long enough, two seasons is what you can expect. Yes, HSMTS is suosedly getting a fourth one, but really it should've stopped at two. Technically the second season had some stuff it really shouldn't have, had to skip things, but then they went and disrespected Frozen. That is NOT acceptable. After that atrocious second episode of season three, I ran for the hills, never clicking on anything related to that show again. Except that one song that ended season two but I'll watch it here on KZbin.

[@Ravathiel]

what about the basketball one with Stamos?

[@EChacon]

@@Ravathiel Big Shot has been renewed for a second season which is scheduled to premiere on October 12, so the show is not canceled.

[@cactitiger]

Right Stuff should’ve gotten a second season

[@swarler]

NOOO NOT TUBER AND HOONIS

[@AS-fi7hc]

I’d be interested in a video on cancelled shows on ABC/ABC family. I remember watching the channel a lot when I was a preteen and I’d constantly see commercials for their new shows, stuff like Twisted I’d see constantly, then they just dropped off the face of the earth. It’s really interesting to me

[@j.b.c.a.]

Disney also owns Hulu, which -Disney, Pixar, Marvel and Lucasfilm aside- is what makes people really use Disney+ in Europe (through Star). So, I think once Disney+ manages to merge with Hulu in the US too, they'll use the Hulu shows to keep people on Disney+ whenever the franchise shows aren't on air or aren't doing well.

[@poisonedyoyo]

How does Netflix keep alfoat? Peole complain left and right or say they have nothing of interest for months, then as soon as a new Stranger Things/Umbrella Academy/Cobra Kai season are out, they're back to praising Netflix again even though they seem to be not realizing that there will likely be another period of nothing like that especially with those shows released so close together. Yes, Cobra Kai is three months or so after the others but still,. I guess the Christmas content will keep people afloat for awhile or whatever.

[@Paulxl]

That's not going to happen until Disney owns 100 % of Hulu. Something that isn't true rn. Comcast owns 33 % of Hulu.

[@joshuajoe1419]

@@Paulxl Just have to wait till 2024

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

Just so you know, Canada doesn't have Hulu, we have Stars like the rest of world.

[@Inebriated_Goat]

@@poisonedyoyo netflix ISNT staying afloat, That's the thing they are losing money and subscribers which is why they had to implement their new bundles and packages (making people pay extra for more than 2 screens using Netflix and ads etc) but that will just drive more people AWAY from the streaming service so netflix at this point is dying. People hate the live action anime shows, people hate the netflix originals (for good reason)

[@sterling7]

On the one hand, I absolutely want more original dramatic programming, not just on Disney+, but across television in general. On the other hand, I sometimes think that the only thing that has prevented Disney from making even bigger mis-steps than it already has is the tenuous fear of damaging their brand(s). Their creatives seem to have gotten a bit infatuated with their own awesome-ness, and really need to take a few steps back and re-learn some of the fundamental building blocks of storytelling they're so eager to upend and deconstruct without understanding.

[@benjaminwatt2436]

adding sexual content to children's shows hasn't been good for their brand

[@brycebitetti1402]

@@benjaminwatt2436 What sexual content?

[@Freak80MC]

@@brycebitetti1402 He's probably talking about stuff like The Owl House, which I guess has a gay relationship in it? (I've never watched the show) because you know, when a person with a vagina gets with a person with a penis in an animated kid's show, it's not inherently sexual, it's only sexual when both people share the same genitals... somehow??? Homophobic logic for ya LMAO

[@SlapstickGenius23]

But the fairy tales that many Disney movies are based on tend not to play straight, since they’re basically made with unbuilt tropes anyway.

[@julio1148]

3:00 I think that change happened because of the CEO changes (Bob Iger to Bob Chapek). Iger wanted Disney+ to be accessible to anyone in a family without parents being concerned

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

About streaming services removing movies/shows completely, I think there was some article/video that pointed out the fact that due to the fact that since streaming service and online/digital publication of movies is predominate, we barely use DVD/VHS or stuff like that, so for most people, the only copy of a film is found on a streaming service, it is literally removing these movies and shows from the public domain. When you remove 80s films from there its mostly fine because there's phsyical copies, but these movies and shows will be forgotten and disappear into nothingness cuz there are few physical copies of them that would be out there.

[@erinw1256]

I'm pretty disappointed that Disney+ hasn't been doing any animated shows. They had Monsters at Work, and I think that's it. It was cute but that's about it. I mostly watch Disney+ for their animated catalog. So I was hoping for some story driven animated shows. Heck they could've just moved the Owl House from Disney Channel to a Disney+ exclusive if they thought it didn't fit the Disney Channel, since it's done so well on Disney+.

[@yeetus_reetus_deeleetus]

They had bad batch and some other star wars animation projects

[@EnigmaticGentleman]

"Cancelled Disney+ Shows" made my mind jump to The Owl House. Not made for Disney+ Per se, but one of the most unfair cancellations in recent memory no doubt.

[@dannygillespie6614]

And, what, 98% of watchers discovered and viewed it on Disney+? That's a definite part of it too.

[@lingricen8077]

Lol you’re gay then, its a gay show

[@MattGOnYT]

@@lingricen8077 it is and that’s what makes it great

[@lewisgarner5615]

@@lingricen8077 wow hit the hammer on the head with that

[@Freak80MC]

@@lingricen8077 Oh noes, a gay, in MY television show, the horror!

[@HealerMaow]

I'm still pretty bummed about the Oswald The Lucky Rabbit show getting quietly cancelled. Apparently it was being worked on by the same team that did The Legend of The Three Caballeros? That show was great.

[@KasumiKenshirou]

I didn't even know they were going to do an Oswald show.

[@aroccoification]

Such a great video. I love when you analyze shows in a way I cant rather than make fan fiction which I can do myself. Anyone can make stuff up but this is a real talent

[@Gemnist98]

On the Lizzie Maguire one: it simply speaks to where the service was at the time. Disney’s game plan was to put some of their more mature content onto Hulu, which not only resulted in the Lizzie Maguire cancellation (likely because that show is already very associated with Disney and they assumed it would be awkward to have it on Hulu), but also the Love Victor controversy, where the teen comedy-drama was moved to Hulu because it was more mature and led to accusations of homophobia. In recent months, however, many of Disney’s financial investors have opined that, now that Hulu is primarily owned by Disney, they can fold it into Disney+ and operate it as a single streaming service. Adding the mature function and the Marvel Netflix shows was likely a test of that capability, as well as them deciding it was more viable to have the entire MCU made by Disney in one location. And it was clearly a success, as Bob Chapek has said that folding Hulu into Disney+ is a long-term goal, albeit not wholly possible due to Universal maintaining a third of the company’s stake.

[@HectorsOasis]

I loved the Lizzie McGuire show when I was a kid. I feel like a spinoff of it with the characters in their 30s would be cool. Shame shame shame. I would watch it.

[@lingricen8077]

Lol a show about people in their 30s? What is this, the early 2010s? Mate, literally EVERY show is about 90s zoomers, the most spoilt and over-represented generation of all time.

[@isthisajojoreference]

As someone who's gotten a Nebula account despite using AdBlock the biggest draw was Nando's Nebula Plus segments and exclusive videos. I think even if they aren't high effort or high production vale rants or creator notes that it's the best thing to draw people to Nebula.

[@mickeymouse7726]

My biggest problem with Disney plus Marvel shows is that their way too safe and don't take risks which the source material actually does falcon and winter soldier, Hawkeye, Ms marvel and moon Knight arent as good as the books their adapting and it makes me appreciate shows like agents of shield, agent carter, Daredevil and legion so much more because at least the writing and pacing of those shows are actually really great and those shows are way more interesting to watch man

[@jakdee1295]

I honestly think that Percy Jackson has a chance to be something big for D+. And I know it’s an existing IP but I think they can make something of it. Also has huge opportunity for growth, if it goes well, you can adapt all of Ricks other stories that have some connection to it. Likely to be a huge cash cow if they hit on it.

[@shaggymofo7716]

Hey it’s still count anything that isn’t Star Wars or marvel and is a success on Disney is a w in my book. Need something other than those 2.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

I do think that a Disney’s Tarzan series can be great for Disney plus, although the character’s own rights holders are busy, thus it’s not so likely.

[@CoffeeKawaii]

You make a really good point on original programming: I hope Disney+ can find its own “Stranger Things”. Would also be cool to eventually queue up for a dark ride born out of streaming.

[@lapislazuli5035]

I'm really bummed that Amazon cancelled Paper Girls. It was a good show and an *excellent* comic, but it got compared to Stranger Things even though the comic book came out first.

[@poisonedyoyo]

@@lapislazuli5035 As Grace Randolph always says, whatever gets to the general public first gets the credit. And the general public doesn't pick up comic books to begin with, and when they do they are the big titles fromt he major companies.

[@lothanyfountain9443]

I think their stranger things might be the mandalorian

[@prod.bydylAn]

They do have madalorian generating air of buzz so that kind of acts like their stranger things But as a mystery show in st's vein loki works a lot better

[@InvasionAnimation]

There is a neat foreign show on there called Parallels. It is like stranger things and DARK but for kids.

[@liamwhite1719]

I think Trixie Mattel said it best "it takes a Princess Switch to appreciate a Squid Game". Disney needs to 1.) be more adventurous with their original programs and 2.) need to be less scared about having mass appeal and trust that eventually, the amazing shows will rise to the top

[@PotatopancakesOMG]

Disney is cancelling projects almost as fast as they announce them at this point

[@chasehedges6775]

It’s crazy, right? They’re making new stuff and cancelling it all at the same time.

[@mediaondisplay3089]

The show "Defiance" was an interesting concept and canceling. A show made along side a companion massively multi-player online game. The idea was the show would affect the game and the game could affect the show. Of course none of that really happened and the show was canceled after 3 seasons. "On October 16, 2015, the show was cancelled by Syfy, citing financial reasons after having completed its third season. However, the companion video game, Defiance, continued to be supported until April 2021 when all servers and community services were shut down" - Google

[@RookE2011]

A lot of the Korean shows on streaming aren't really being produced by the streaming service. Snowdrop wasn't produced by Disney, Disney+ just has the streaming rights. Snowdrop was produced by a Korean production company and Disney had no input/control

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Hooray for the South Korean companies.

[@IcyDiamond]

They still put a lot of their adult stuff on Hulu, if you’re not a Marvel property like Deadpool or Daredevil, you ain’t getting onto Disney+ with that R Rating, also I’d definitely recommend Hulu, have been watching lots of Amazing World of Gumball and American Dad on there

[@Dr_LanMan]

always use notifications for the captain

[@jonathanvanderpol1435]

Interesting thoughts. My family and I really liked the Turner and Hooch series and were very sad to see it cancelled.

[@zackbrangen1528]

Their upcoming original TV series *'American Born Chinese'* looks like it might become their answer to Cobra Kai, from what we saw in D23, Dustin Daniel Cretton looks like he's been cooking up heat, It's my second most anticipated Disney+ show, right after *'Percy Jackson'*

[@skyejohnson2790]

I actually really liked Diary of a future president and honestly didn’t know it was cancelled which is sad to me because it was a funny coming of age story that could have worked well on Disney channel 😢

[@CinnamonGrrlErin1]

8:00 don't forget Disney's best trick, Copyright Renewal.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Disney also has an army predominantly consisting of registered trademarks, which is understandable since copyrights often aren’t forever perpetual.

[@DaiSenshiMounir]

Thanks for the upload

[@Itsastoryteller]

If they really want to make a Disney+ original that the whole family could enjoy they definitely need to do more book based movies/shows (imo) there are tons of books they can profit off of books like Kingdom Keepers and Percy Jackson and even wimpy kid are great examples (and hopefully Percy Jackson does good enough that they continue to make originals) I REALLY want to see how they would make a kingdom keepers show cause if done right they can make a lot money off of that just think every time you go to a Disney theme park there would be little easter eggs from the show and merchandise you can buy Would 100% genius on their part

[@dannygillespie6614]

All of this is correct. And shows how big a deal the Percy Jackson show really is for Disney's attempts to have a new hit.

[@gavinsmith9871]

The Mean Girl Makeover trilogy would be perfect for them to adapt.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

A serial adaptation of Edgar Rice Burroughs’ Tarzan books can be a huge hit for Disney Plus. It’s wonderful that a French graphic novel series about Tarzan came into French comic stores last year, which was when the ERB Tarzan books finally became public domain in much of the world, except for the USA. Also helping is that a Dynamite comic book series, itself a contemporary reboot of its previous Disney-inspired Lord of the Jungle comic, is coming into comic stores this November.

[@jbcatz5]

The Earthsea series could have potential. It’s high fantasy in a way that evokes Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings, with far, far less graphic content and the IP does have fans. The source material ticks the diversity box, with Earthsea populated by different races with varied cultures fleshed out by the worldbuilding and later entries exploring the setting from a more feminist angle. Indeed, one of the few screen adaptations has whitewashing as its main criticism. The most recent adaptation was the 2006 Studio Ghibli film, which while its a decent film if not one of the studio’s better ones, isn’t a strong adaptation of the books as it takes plots and character from various books in an unexpected way.

[@Lucie-ho1qv]

@@jbcatz5 Would love to see a kids high fantasy show done right!!

[@TheMilkyBarKid3]

In fairness a lot of Netflix’s content isn’t even made by them - they just buy the rights to things and slap them with an “only on Netflix” logo so every assumes they actually made it

[@SparkzEnt]

Disney did the same thing with Diary of a Future President, as it wasn't produced nor owned by Disney, but by CBS

[@mrtalos]

Disney's main problem is making EVERYTHING child friendly. It's not unique to Disney either. I've seen shows that were made for really an adult audience, but okay for children, end up being made for what adults think children understand. I'd argue that the BBC in the UK has fallen into this Trap, killing shows stone dead. Kids don't actually like being talked down to, especially when they are in or closing in on their teens

[@bluearcher1559]

Disney will soon be having a new Eragon show...while this will be based on the highly popular book series it has never had a successful Screen version like Star Wars, im exited to see what comes of it

[@michaelmcchesney6645]

My biggest problem with streaming services, isn't that it cancels shows. That's inevitable, at least if NCIS or Law & Order aren't in your title. It's that services like Disney+, HBO Max, and Peacock don't include their studios back catalogs. I don't mean shows previously licensed to other services. I mean shows like the Six Million Dollar Man not being on Peacock or the 1950s Disney show Zorro being (almost) not on Disney+. I say almost about Zorro because while they have a B&W film taken from the first 8 episodes, the series itself was upwards of 80 episodes. I think I understand why that is. My conjecture is that contracts for actors and music didn't contemplate streaming. They didn't even include home video releases until the 80s or 90s, That means it's only practical to go back to get releases for shows that were popular enough to justify the expense. I understand it, but I don't have to like it. What I really don't like is a studio like HBO Max pulling shows made for HBO Max being pulled off the service so as to not have to pay the people who made them ongoing residuals. Lets not even get started about Batgirl. Hopefully somebody leaks it.

[@83N7]

im still waiting on "The Weekenders." that show was awesome.

[@Pellbort]

I never saw Turner and Hooch (the TV series), but I can tell you this: Just from looking at soundless clips, I have such a reaction to Josh Peck, who looks like the thalidomide baby of Ed Helms and David Schwimmer, that I would have immediately quit that show in the middle of whatever episode I was in and never thought about it again. Life's too short, and there's already too much to watch.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Before his questionable transformations, Josh Peck used to be a lot cuter looking in comparison.

[@Coolcoolcooldude]

The Marvel and SW shows have bigger budgets than Diary or Turner and Hooch so of course they put more money into advertising those shows than the other lower budget stuff to ensure good viewership. But I understand what you're saying. Also I think there is a good chunk of people who are only subscribed to D+ just to watch the Marvel and SW shows. Remember when the the first season of the Mandalorian ended, there was a noticeable drop in subscribers.

[@picklenik9658]

I wonder if the Lizzie Maguire reboot sorta got retooled in ways into the How I Met Your Father spin-off.

[@andreasmeelie1889]

Who knows?

[@iminumst7827]

If anyone's looking for an underrated cancelled TV show to watch, try the American version of Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. Because it's so under the radar the entire series is uploaded onto youtube and hasn't been taken down yet. Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance is another great show canceled before it's time.

[@LexiChannel]

I really loved Diary of a Future President, season 2 specifically. It was a massive improvement from 1. The best way I can describe is is feeling like Andi Mack-a sitcom but not a Disney sitcom. I wish it got a third season.

[@cecilboyd1692]

I've been trying to remember the name for this show for like 3 years. Watched the first couple seasons at release then fell off and for the life of me I never would have found hemlock Grove again. Thx captain!

[@thefirstone4864]

One other show that got cancelled is the cartoon named the owl house it's not exactly disney+ original but it's from disney channel made it to disney+ though it has really big popularity compared to other disney channel shows it wasn't really talked compared to other disney+ shows which is a shame because the owl house is literally better than anything marvel and star wars put into the streaming platform since mandalorian.

[@verskarton]

I think that is more of an Disney Channel show. In some regions (like my country the Netherlands) never got The Owl House on Disney Plus because it is in “Disney Channel Jail”. I’m still waiting for season 3 of Ducktales (2018) to watch it properly.

[@nicolasevans7477]

You should def make this a miniseries with HBO/Warnercovery up next

[@lanceturley7745]

I know this video focuses on scripted shows, but I really wish they would make more episodes of *Prop Culture* and *Behind the Attraction.* There's enough content there to keep both shows going for years.

[@MCLegoboy]

The annoying thing about that is that if you look to see if Prop Culture has been canceled, they still say that it's currently airing, but not necessarily renewed either. It's been nearly 2 years! It's sitting in my Watchlist so that I remember to look up its status every now and then, but it's still in limbo. I'm sure the Pandemic really hurt it, but there's so much stuff that can be visited and it forced me to watch a couple movies I hadn't seen before or hadn't seen in forever, therefore making me use the service for more than just Marvel, Star Wars, and Pixar.

[@ajzeg01]

I want more Muppet content. Earth to Ned was great and Muppets Now was at least an attempt.

[@lanceturley7745]

@@ajzeg01 Yeah, I thought Muppets Now really started to find its footing in some of the later episodes.

[@damonlam9145]

I think the problem with Disney now is that they aren't flexible. They either heavily focus too much on notalgia such as Stars Wars and Marvel making it hard for new and old fans to catch up, leaving their other original projects left in the dust, and when do give certain shows a chance they put very harsh and strict rules limitations on the projects to fit their brand, which can lead to a difficult time creating an original IP to fit the mold or canceling projects despite being very popular other than to either save money on making new episodes or the product doesn't fit their brand (eg: The Owl House).

[@robertborland5083]

Neat! I would be interested in seeing how the ideas about Disney+ explored here relate to the recent cancellations on the streaming service.

[@mackenziemcdaniel-paul8163]

I'm in a university radio and television and a editor from the turner and hooch came in for a discussion being a alumni. He sounded suicidal and couldn't help but tell the class that they would likely have to edit porn.

[@MarkTaylorsVersion]

I know it's not a scripted show, but the reality/doc "Encore!" is so magical and deserves another season. I don't think it did great, but because it wasn't that promoted. It's a shame.

[@claytonrios1]

Given how Disney Plus has allowed a bit more edgy language and content in Andor recently I wonder if they'll get a bit more lax on the stuff that's allowed on their service in the future if Andor does well enough.

[@poisonedyoyo]

I would argue this is because at the time Andor was bieng fillmed was around the time that they decided to lfie the restrictions of the service. People needed to be patient for that type of content.

[@claytonrios1]

@@poisonedyoyo But we're only 3 episodes in as well at this time. So maybe that kind of content will continue in the other 9 episodes. Or maybe not.

[@garrettharris8241]

Really interesting video, and definitely something to think about! Btw, I was wondering if you could maybe do a video on the fall of Nickelodeon. I don't hear many kids excited to watch it. Either because of streaming being a thing nowadays, or just the dip in quality.

[@Strunmahmah]

I'd love to see some of the K-dramas they have available in English speaking countires, even if they don't get dubbed it would be a good move. There's not a lot of platforms filling the k-drama niche since Drama Fever shut down.

[@JebeckyGranjola]

Really? It seems like that is 90% of the shit on netflix.

[@enzmondo]

Disney does have some really good ideas under their belt. Unfortunately, the higher ups, namely Chapek and, previously, Iger, just aren’t prioritising new, original, or evolved content. They’re so afraid to deviate from their kids and teens brand that it stifles creativity and innovation. Disney are becoming too cookie-cutter and stagnant. They don’t believe “mature” themes can also be consumed and understood by younger audiences.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Disney’s long been upholding its brand too well. It’s what makes a lot of bank.

[@JagoHazzard]

I guess the thing with Turner and Hooch is, did anyone really want a sequel? Sure, it's a movie that people remember, but what, exactly, is the story you're going to tell? It's not like it's Star Wars or Lord of the Rings where it's this huge blank canvas of a world. It's a guy and a dog. Maybe you could get people to watch it if Tom Hanks was involved, but if he's not, what's the appeal? No one was eagerly awaiting the next instalment in the Turner & Hooch Cinematic Universe.

[@mikaylaeager7942]

Honestly, existing IP is kinda Disneys thing. I didn’t sign up for the streaming service expecting original content. I signed up for nostalgia, and Disney owns all our nostalgia. This is why I’ve never been exactly up in arms over Disney owning pretty much all of the recognizable IP. It forces all their competitors to create original IP instead of playing a industry wide game of “you remember this don’t you!!” Leave that to Disney, it’s what they do best!

[@jaspervanheycop9722]

Yeah the reason I picked it up was partially the Mandalorian, but mostly so I have one-click access to Disney classics without having to rifle through my huge pile of DVD's and even VHS tapes...

[@IcyDiamond]

I mean even Disney’s classics like Aladdin, Beauty & The Beast, Frozen, Snow White, Little Mermaid, etc are all loosely adapted from old fairytales

[@SlapstickGenius23]

@@IcyDiamond Disney’s Tarzan was mostly based on a few tidbits from Tarzan of the Apes. I haven’t read the original novels for a while, so I’ll check out.

[@BlueTearDconnor]

Yup, I mean every Disney animation that helped make Disney what it is was an existing i.p.

[@JebeckyGranjola]

What competitors? You mean the streaming services? The problem with Disney is that they aquire the IPs by buying the production company that made them, like Fox. Who used to be thier competitors, so there is no one else on thier scale producing content.

[@akshaytrayner1960]

Great review

[@cancerino666]

Historically, Disney has been about making cute, generic stuff based on existing stories (they didn't make the characters of our childhood films, for example. they even stole simba). Being original was never the main focus. So is it really a suprise that it had to buy high-value IPs and now is trying to coast on them?

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯. Nailed it, man

[@chasehedges6775]

Being original was never the main focus. Atlantis The Lost Empire and Treasure Planet: Have you forgotten about us?

[@aadityachangayil6907]

Simba isn’t a rip-off.

[@poisonedyoyo]

False. I probmise you if you can find MOther Gothel and Eugene in the original Rapunzel story, you have discovered a book published in 2010 or later. Abu and Rajah are not in anything before Aladdin, nor is Jasmine, or Robin Williams' version of the genie. Ariel's personality, design, voice, and basically the entire plot of the movie were put together by Disney. None of the characters from Frozen are in The Snow Queen. Well, except Gerda and Kay, but in Frozen they are servants, not the focal characters. And even where characters are lifted, the original versions aren't like the Disney portrayals. I'm pretty sure Jiminiy Cricket was just called "Talking Cricket" in the book and also Pinnochio is actually trying to kill him at one point. I HAVE read Bambi: A Life in the Woods, though, and let me tell you, that book isn't fousing on Babmbi's mother's death, it's focusing on death in GENERAL.

[@uosdwiSrdewoH]

The movie Turner and Hooch is surprisingly dark for a movie where Tom Hanks gets his quiet life turned upside down by a dog. The show immediately ruined any goodwill the name might have had by the fact they killed Scott Turner (Hanks) as kind of the inciting incident. Even if he was never going to show up in the series you don't just kill Tom Hanks without a very good reason and this series was not it.

[@Matyunkin]

The Punisher looks like a show that I would definitely watch with my dad (and most likely mom too). Still remember how, as a child, we watched the first season of Spartak with almost the whole family, which was rare, since mom and dad hate each other. Great family show.

[@mandbgames]

Gonna bet I haven’t seen any of these shows

[@nahuel]

What an excellent analysis!!

[@thefinkie6459]

As far as new original Disney+ shows go, Secrets Of Sulphur Springs is some of the greatest television I have seen for a long time. It certainly doesn't have the "plasticky" look mentioned here at all, in fact the cinematography is unexpectedly beautiful for a light-hearted children's show.

[@silverstarfinder]

I can second this show. Very good!

[@greenfiend781]

Now that Disney+ has parental controls in the US, maybe they’ll one day put the adult-aimed Lizzie McGuire back into production.

[@andreasmeelie1889]

That’s what I was just thinking and hoping for!😍

[@MethodicalMadness]

You're looking at this with a clearer mind than the folks at Disney. We can barely begin to "imagineer" what goes through their minds when they greenlight shows.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

The Disney folks all believe in market research, since market research makes a lot of bank.

[@almostatami]

Man oh man. I can't believe I actually forgot about Hemlock Grove. I was so obsessed with it back in college.

[@lapislazuli5035]

Whatever happened to that show Encore? The one where old high school theater classes redid a play they did as kids? I liked it.

[@manitsainisworld]

Your content is always awesome

[@p5ych0p4th]

Them (probably) cancelling The Orville, when it is an original show with an almost unilateral positive reception and lots of room to grow says it all about that service. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Eidlones]

Long shot, but could you perhaps do a video on how Disney+ is changing their old media? Not just editing things to make them more "appropriate", like changing Lilo getting into a piece of furniture with a pizza box lid covering the opening instead of a dryer like the original movie, but how they're changing the intros to their old cartoons as well. Find an upload of the Ducktales and Chip And Dale intros on youtube from years ago, and compare them to the official Disney+ versions. They're flattened out, lack impact, and the singing is at a much higher level than the music. It's just weird to me why they decided to do that, and as these new things will become the standard, the older stuff will become lost.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

Not helping is that the master tapes for tv shows like DuckTales are frequently decaying a lot.

[@crimsontrooper9425]

Is it just me or does the set design of the Turner and Hooch reboot seem really reminiscent of the live action inspector movies?

[@Bender-fv9fu]

I think they should bring back the show “Prop Culture”

[@lanceturley7745]

That was the first thing that popped in my head when I saw the title. I periodically go back just to check and see if they uploaded any new episodes, but it definitely feels like it's dead and gone.

[@cooperfreiberg8575]

All of Disney's good originals basically go to hulu

[@gummybears1339]

Ohhhh I have a thing for studying cancelled shows lol so thank you for this!

[@maxwellgerber3225]

Goddamn dude take a break your putting out too many banger videos in a row

[@AbiyBattleSpell]

props to disney fr using hooch to test there necromancy on before using it on walt

[@ManLikeJimothy]

When you say there doing better international you are entirely correct because Hulu never launched outside of the us we get it as part of Disney+ called star for no extra cost so Hulu originals are all Disney+ originals

[@denial987]

Question about this Turner and Hooch series: If Tom Hanks' character had died by the time of the series, then how is the dog still alive?! The dog would be long dead before Hanks would die. These large dog breeds only have a lifespan of five to 10 years.

[@michaelnally2841]

I hope the new Percy Jackson series will be Disney+’s stranger things

[@jaspervanheycop9722]

I really thought Dopesick was going to be Disney+'s homegrown prestige drama, their House of Cards, it had starpower with Micheal Keaton and it was really well written with great characterwork (or at least I personally haven't been as invested in entirely new characters and setting in a long time) and it had this nice Game of Thrones style setup where you follow people on all sides of the major conflict. But the buzz for it died down so quick, they really could've pushed it more, but instead the hype around a new episode seemed to die about two episodes in. I feel like they really need to diversivy their assets more, eventually the Marvel thing will die down (seems it's already started with this phase of the MCU) and people already seem to be tired of Star Wars.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

It’s likely that the oversaturation of ultra mainstream works is mainly here to entertain the kids of corporate nobility since the primeval beginnings of merchandising; it’s just that we are recently starting to become more aware of such a blatant tactic than ever before.

[@tkknows00]

They are making their own TV universe right now. It's currently in pre-production. It's based off the Society of Explorers and Adventurers (SEA) spread throughout the Disney parks

[@LaneyStudios5]

Does anyone remember that show called 'Bob'? It was about this guy who was constantly being followed by a vagrant child but it was always just out of sight, it would whisper things to him, leave him little presents when he slept, but would scream wildly whenever the titular character Bob would look into any kind of mirror There was about 3 seasons and 30 episodes and I cannot find it anywhere anymore, there's not even a mention of it online It starred John C Reilly and Sheridan Smith, came out like 5 years ago, but it doesn't even get mentioned in their filmography anymore

[@chasehedges6775]

Interesting. Never knew existed

[@LaneyStudios5]

@@chasehedges6775 it's like it's been erased from history, no idea what happened to it, where it went, or why

[@Swimmie]

This is why they should merge Hulu into the Disney Plus ecosystem since thinks like FX and other shows aimed at older audiences would help get out of the “family” service

[@TK_Brainslug]

Disney + got better after the different departments stood together against their CEO when he spoke out against LGBTQ representation. And don't forget it will finish its only 3 year in november. So far I must say their content is pretty solid

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

they need to make an Incredibles show about Helen and Bob's young superhero days.

[@chasehedges6775]

TBH, i would like it if they didn’t. Not everyone needs a backstory

[@ninjanibba4259]

That sounds horrible

[@onepresence9460]

That would be really cool. I would also love to see a sitcom series for The Incredibles family itself and a show dedicated to all of the dead heroes by Syndrome, showing the golden age of heroes.

[@PrinceSimba93]

I really enjoyed the Big Shot but that's about all the original content I've ever watched on Disney+

[@brimer735uu8]

Lord!!! I was positive the "Lizzie McGuire" reboot got thwarted by the COVID-19 pandemic! I know I heard it canceled before it happened when COVID-19 Was one of the main things along with crew hiring problems that killed it from happening!!!!

[@patricko.962]

The forgotten Tron franchise has been neglected by Disney for years, specifically the animated show Tron: Uprising which was cancelled after just one season during the Disney XD days

[@Dragonofyarn]

My parents and I watched Turner and Hooch every week and we absolutely loved it. I am so disappointed they aren’t doing a second season. It wouldn’t be surprising to me if we watched it only because of Josh Peck 😂

[@elijahstark3663]

I enjoyed it because the black red ranger from spd was in it

[@MissDatherinePierce]

What I personally think is also a problem with Disney+ in the US is the separation from Hulu. In most other markets, except I think South America, both services are one service since one year after initally launch. Hulu content just runs under the Star brand which is marketed as more adult content. The price was raised from 6,99€ to 8,99€ (at least where I live) for that but honestly it was absolutely worth it because otherwise I would have cancelled Disney+ after the first year subscription ended. Now that Disney+ is buying back/sharing a lot of streaming rights from other services where I live, the service is really useful to me. Also unlike Netflix and amazon, it lacks in regional content so far. Yes, they have to host European productions here due to an EU law but it is stuff they bought. They don't invest in local productions as the others do. Or at least not in Germany. Not everything works everywhere, sometimes something regional like Squid Game or Dark work international but are not filmed in English and sometimes something just works in the market it was produced for, Amazon e.g. bought up the series Pastewka and Deutschland '83 and did quite well with them on the German market. They also localized Hitoshi Matsumoto Presents Documental for various markets under the name LOL: Last One Laughing (see Germany, Spain, France etc.) that just don't work for the majority of the audience if it isn't their native language or a language they understand on native level but also can't be really be dubbed or subbed without losing most of the jokes.

[@dman6261]

Disney taking risks? Don't think that's possible, maybe they can buy another company to do that for them