The Frisians in Beowulf - Analysing The Battle of Finnsburh

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History With Hilbert

History With Hilbert

7 жыл бұрын

Finally a video about the Frisians of old! One of our only sources for the early Frisians is the Finnsburh episode written about in both Beowulf and the aptly named Finnsburh Fragment. It's a bit scholarly and making a lot out of a little but I hope you enjoy the video!
Check out Leornende Eald Englisc's Epic Reading of the Finnsburh Episode From Beowulf in Old English:
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Old English: The Language of the Anglo-Saxons:
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How to Pronounce the Names in Beowulf?
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How to Pronounce the Tribes in Beowulf?
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@XyryuHyota
@XyryuHyota 6 жыл бұрын
Being a Frisian myself, I never really got taught about Frisian history. Me being a history buff I find this very sad. Please do more Frisian history vids ;)
@draphotube4315
@draphotube4315 2 жыл бұрын
Please can Frisian heritage and language survive!! I don’t want it to go extinct.
@cyrilox737
@cyrilox737 2 жыл бұрын
@@draphotube4315 Don't worry, the Frisian language is very much alive in 2022.
@dylanfriese8077
@dylanfriese8077 Жыл бұрын
Gangfrisian
@Ballum_64
@Ballum_64 Жыл бұрын
@@cyrilox737 Westfrisian, yes. But Saterlandfrisian and Northfrisian are highly in danger.
@stillverseDri
@stillverseDri 2 ай бұрын
please read the Oera Linda Manuscript... it will fill you with warmth of an honest and humble pride . wether one takes it as fiction or fact... it states concepts that are in no way false, laws that are nothing but wise, ECT... so opinions aside, this book deserves a second chance.
@ivankebabremover6764
@ivankebabremover6764 7 жыл бұрын
High quality Dutchposting right here.
@andy602
@andy602 7 жыл бұрын
Some schools in North England have started teaching old English in hope to revive it.
@leornendeealdenglisc
@leornendeealdenglisc 7 жыл бұрын
Oh really? I didn't know that. Do you know a link where I can read more about that?
@garmit61
@garmit61 5 жыл бұрын
So there’s no evidence to this then?
@danielterpstra9289
@danielterpstra9289 5 жыл бұрын
I am in,
@lewis6138
@lewis6138 4 жыл бұрын
Let me know, as I was raised up North , would love to know
@lewis6138
@lewis6138 4 жыл бұрын
@Orville Alexander not really
@Jerbod2
@Jerbod2 7 жыл бұрын
As a Frisian, I love this. We get taught very little about Frisian history, due to the fact that Fryslân is sort of being belittled by the Netherlands. The fact that the EU protects minority languages saved our asses. Where did you live in Fryslân before you moved to the UK?
@tomdm1526
@tomdm1526 7 жыл бұрын
Wy sin âlderman trots op Frysktalige
@RvEijndhoven
@RvEijndhoven 6 жыл бұрын
Personally, as a Brabander, my like or dislike of Frisians hinges on one simple point: Whether they're part of the group that buys into the (Let me point out in advance: incorrect) belief that modern Frisians are the descendants of the Frisii (and whether they derive from this an idea that Frisians are the original Dutch people and the rest are foreign invaders oppressing them). Basically the reason for this is that it's not the general people in the Netherlands who belittle the Frisians, it's the 'Randstadters' particularly in Noord-Holland and Utrecht who pretty much (these days largely unintentionally) belittle all other people in the Netherlands, whether they're Frisians, Brabanders, Limburgers, Tukkers, Groningers, etc.. equally and false Frisian nativism doesn't really help there.
@tomdm1526
@tomdm1526 6 жыл бұрын
Robbert van Eijndhoven Tukkers syn g'weldig
@haplotalk7348
@haplotalk7348 5 жыл бұрын
One of my cousins used to make jokes about the Frisians. Then everyone had their DNA tests and started researching their genealogy. It turns out that Opa was Frisian, not Dutch. Schoterland power!
@aliaguerin1266
@aliaguerin1266 5 жыл бұрын
I am from Amsterdam keep on being proud Frysian and keep youre language and history. x
@marcusvaughn7019
@marcusvaughn7019 4 жыл бұрын
A very interesting video Hilbert, thank you! I was always told as a child that our family came from Denmark. However, in the 1970's, my cousin went back to our ancestral home (in Germany!) named Bredtstedt, a small town, a few miles from the North Sea and Denmark. My cousin went to the local Evangelical Church in Bredtstedt, where he located family birth/death records, the oldest being 1470. Somewhere around 1510 or so, the Roman Catholics burned the church down. Anyway, my family lived in and around Bredstedt and places like Sterdebull, and Ost-Bordellum. Though the church records were in German, my Great-Grandfather, Boy Stephanus Boysen brought over a book when he immigrated, dated 1842. We had a heck of a time trying to decipher the language of the book, but discovered it was written in North Frisian language. In fact, we discovered the North Frisian Institute is located in Bredstedt, Germany today. I don't know if Boy spoke North Frisian, but I suspect he knew at least some of the language. His wife, Mette Catherine (nee Thompsen) was from Blaakrog, Danmark. I am fairly certain my family has some Northern Frisian bloodline, but just how much will remain a mystery, as the bloodlines can become quickly diluted within a relatively short amount of time. This short video contains more N. Frisian history than any other I've seen on YT! Thank You!
@Ballum_64
@Ballum_64 9 ай бұрын
Astonishing, really. Did you make any contact to the North Frisian Institut? Because, as far as i know, northfrisian writings from that time are quite rare (Especially in this area. The cultural centers, where the written frisian language was used in a larger scale, were located more to the north (Sylt, Föhr, Bökingharde, Nordgoesharde)). Since the north frisians lost the abillity to use their own written language somewhen after the language developed from Oldfrisian to Northfrisian and because low German (later high German) was taught and used as School and Church language in the duchy of "Schleswig" (even though the population was danish & frisian) there was no need for a written frisian language. It is also interesting, because the northifrisian dialect the book is written in is most likely "Mittelgoesharder"” frisian. This dialect is nearly exstinct today. There are only a very very few speaker left. PS: its quite safe to say that your Great-Grandfather was frisian, since his name "Boy" is frisian (Boysen patronymic form. Boysen = son of Boy) and places like Sterdebiill, Bordelum and Bredstedt were in the frisian core area. The mixed danish-frisian-speaking places were further east.
@cameronturner1865
@cameronturner1865 6 жыл бұрын
Hello Hilbert! I just wanted to take a second to thank you for all the time and effort you put into your videos. Your passion for, and knowledge of, history is immediately evident in your work. Thanks for putting in the time so that we can sit back and soak it all in! Keep up the great work and have a great day!
@eponymousarchon7442
@eponymousarchon7442 7 жыл бұрын
There is a sixties film with Charlton Heston called the Warlord. He plays a Norman leader. He is at war with the Frisians who are portrayed as a wild viking type as I remember.
@RogerTheil
@RogerTheil 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta love that constant "wildman" trope in 50's/60's films.
@Survivethejive
@Survivethejive 6 жыл бұрын
I pronounce "jutes" as "yoo-tes" as that is correct. Modern English people only say the hard J in error. Are you aware that Tolkien wrote an essay on the Finnsburh fragment Hilbert?
@divingdave2945
@divingdave2945 5 жыл бұрын
@Marry Christmas Wow, you are so kind.
@celtofcanaanesurix2245
@celtofcanaanesurix2245 4 жыл бұрын
I always find it annoying as all hell when people pronounce Jutes as ‘jew-ts’ I actually don’t pronounce the e though, which makes my pronunciation the same as for the Native American tribe of the Utes...
@TheIsemgrim
@TheIsemgrim 7 жыл бұрын
fryslan boppe
@Spacefrisian
@Spacefrisian 7 жыл бұрын
De rest kin in de grôppe
@Dextamartijn
@Dextamartijn 6 жыл бұрын
Grunn boppe Friesland in De grôppe
@meh2972
@meh2972 4 жыл бұрын
There is another connection to Kent, namely that Frisians moved there even before the Anglo-Saxon migration due to their homeland flooding.
@roodborstkalf9664
@roodborstkalf9664 4 жыл бұрын
More or less correct. In 275 AD the Rhine limes collapsed. The Franks conquered the area north of the highway from Boulogne to Cologne. All inhabitants living south of the Rhine became refugees. Some Frisii (who were allies of the Romans) were resettled as laeti in Kent and Northern France.
@jacquelinevanderkooij4301
@jacquelinevanderkooij4301 4 жыл бұрын
Romans mentioned moving Frisii to England in the last period of their stay in Brittain.
@whispersinthedark88
@whispersinthedark88 3 жыл бұрын
I hadn't seen this video yet and for the first time Im really glad to get an old recommendation . Im of Dutch-Friesian and Danish decent and its great to get a look at the lesser known parts of our history. I also really appreciate your work to separate out later Christian additions and propaganda from their accounts of our pre-christian cultures and beliefs. It can be very frustrating as a pagan to hear falsehoods repeated over and over again, which only ends up leading to confusion and crazy ideas from those who are misinformed . I love your work and Im glad to see your channel growing . There are so many people making "historical" videos but they do little more than google it and give a grade school level report with little to no critical thought on their behalf . You are a rare breath of fresh air.
@las1147
@las1147 7 жыл бұрын
I also have a suggestion for a video, if you're interested of course. Next year marks the 1000 year anniversary of the Battle of Flardingha (Vlaardingen) in which the Frisians (I believe) fought off the emperor (I'm bad with names and it has been a loooong time since I looked into it) after they were send in to keep Dirk III in check because he suddenly started to ask for toll on the river and kept all the money. The battle was seen as laying the groundwork for an independent Holland. So maybe you can look into it and make a video on it next year (or whenever you want idk it's your channel) and check out the reenactment somewhere in June. ;)
@martinan22
@martinan22 7 жыл бұрын
Hengest sounds like "HIngst", meaning stallion. This makes sense also from the perspective of Hengist and Horsa since Horsa obviously means horse too.
@M3au
@M3au 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting that the coat of arms of the county of Kent features a stallion.
@Ravishrex1
@Ravishrex1 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. My surname is Hin and my family comes from Tessal and I have been trying to find the origins of Hin
@Stormcloakvictory
@Stormcloakvictory 4 жыл бұрын
In dutch Hengst means stallion
@janpopkebouma7194
@janpopkebouma7194 4 жыл бұрын
I had a teacher at school with surname HIngst, and yes, we are Frisians.
@theobolt250
@theobolt250 3 жыл бұрын
If you put it like this it sounds a bit gay. All that horsing around by proud men... 😁
@yogsothoth7594
@yogsothoth7594 7 жыл бұрын
I might speculate that the Danes were running out of food and that's why they made the peace.
@yogsothoth7594
@yogsothoth7594 7 жыл бұрын
Additionally perhaps they had hostages meaning the Frisians couldn't just starve them all to death.
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 7 жыл бұрын
That's a possibility I'd thought of, although if they really were hacking their way through Finn's thegns as the poem suggests then surely a sortie would have been easy? The idea of them holding hostages is perhaps more plausible although there's no mention of it. Good idea though :)
@Sibrich
@Sibrich 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I recently found out I am descendent of Finn so this really cool. 45 generations later me and my family are still Friesian living close to where are our ancestors are from :)
@danielwolzen3405
@danielwolzen3405 2 жыл бұрын
Great job brother. My family originates in east Friesland. We are from the town Woltzen. When we came to America in 1905 we dropped the T so that we sounded less German during WW1. I've always wondered who we were before. Thankyou.
@hendrikusisidora3679
@hendrikusisidora3679 6 жыл бұрын
I am from Fryslân and I really like this channel. Gie sa troch!
@patrickcrowley8279
@patrickcrowley8279 7 жыл бұрын
Love the anglo saxon stuff! Very intresting!
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It's been a while since I did anything Dark Ahes :D
@las1147
@las1147 7 жыл бұрын
Bloody hell this would make an awesome series
@danielterpstra9289
@danielterpstra9289 5 жыл бұрын
Fuck yeah
@Matthijsklaassen
@Matthijsklaassen 4 жыл бұрын
@@soomkes7686 genante vertoning, die film
@dr.lexwinter8604
@dr.lexwinter8604 4 жыл бұрын
Not with the terrible freeware music in the background and his recording into two tin cans with a piece of string it wouldn't.
@kenken8765
@kenken8765 5 жыл бұрын
After rewatching the 2007 Beowulf film. This video for me showed another depth in that film in the scene where some Frisian dude named Finn was confronted by Beowulf and was boasting that "his name will be remembered forever".
@RogerTheil
@RogerTheil 4 жыл бұрын
I remember that scene, think about it strangely often. Thanks for joggin' the noggin' again.
@pelegon1257
@pelegon1257 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoying the content you are putting out.. Keep up the good work 👌👍
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 7 жыл бұрын
Is this live? This wasn't meant to be live until tonight? Oh well - here you go then :P
@jamespitcher6936
@jamespitcher6936 7 жыл бұрын
History With Hilbert new to your channel. Loving the content
@BListHistory
@BListHistory 7 жыл бұрын
History With Hilbert :P hasn't happened to me yet but probably will at some point
@PuffAdder8565
@PuffAdder8565 7 жыл бұрын
Can you do M&B Warband VikingConquest realism?
@Phrenotopia
@Phrenotopia 7 жыл бұрын
It was already live. Now it's history.
@JustJackOnYoutube
@JustJackOnYoutube 6 жыл бұрын
your mum's a cow
@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite
@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite 4 жыл бұрын
It's mind-blowing how the Finn of Frisia from the Beowulf movie is actually based on an actual semi-hystorical figure. So much for a "nameless Frisian raider". And it turns out his name will be in fact remembered forever, even if he didn't met, let alone killed Grendel's bane 😂😂😂
@rateeightx
@rateeightx 6 жыл бұрын
King Finn, Not To Be Confused With King Pin!
@larsrons7937
@larsrons7937 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. The Battle of Finnsburh, the Finnburh Fragment and this part of Beowulf is almost unexplored territory to me.
@Eulemunin
@Eulemunin 6 жыл бұрын
Lovely explanation, I for one really enjoyed the scholarly nature.
@ErikBramsen
@ErikBramsen 6 жыл бұрын
The Danes obviously stopped killing the Frisians because they were basically nice guys. You see this in later history, when Denmark dispatches humanitarian missions to liberate the Brits from Saxon oppression, even shipping boatloads of refugees back to Denmark for resettlement.
@jacquelinevanderkooij4301
@jacquelinevanderkooij4301 4 жыл бұрын
🤣😂🤣🙈
@skeletalbassman1028
@skeletalbassman1028 5 жыл бұрын
Scyldings were a Northern Germanic tribe like the Jutes and Geats. They descend from the legendary Scyld -> Shield. Another "simple" name indicating a very ancient ancestor or folk hero. My favorite example is Gilgamesh. A historical person likely, but his name literally means "ancestor man". Take that for what you will.
@MaximusAwesomus2
@MaximusAwesomus2 7 жыл бұрын
Met je laptop, haha lekker bezig weer van genoten!(zeker als strijder fries)
@avishaiedenburg1102
@avishaiedenburg1102 7 жыл бұрын
A quick note about "Scylding": this is a dynastic name. Beowulf begins with a description of Scyld Scefing's reign over Denmark. He (Scyld/Skjøld) was the ,forefather of Hnæf, but also of Hrothgar and Hrothulf.
@woodslore8537
@woodslore8537 7 жыл бұрын
Frisian was my great grandfathers last name.
@jacob_swaggerz
@jacob_swaggerz 3 жыл бұрын
I love the "life of a legionary" music... you're bringing back my RNG PTSD
@variszuzans299
@variszuzans299 6 жыл бұрын
I have a question. The English (or should I say the British) always make a great deal out of the Norman conquest, and before that of the Dane or Viking raiders and their rule in English territory. Well, the thing is, aren't the Danes, the Jutes, the Vikings and Normans, the Angles and the Saxons somewhat similar people? At least, they all came to England from pretty much the same area geographically and in the same era. And, linguistically and ethincally they must have been very very similar peoples. I see it as some type of clan warfare, but the English make it out to be as if it was some kind of Mongol invasion or something (speaking about the Norman conquest), at least on Viasat History films.
@VRBLNSLT
@VRBLNSLT 4 жыл бұрын
Magnus Frisia for ever 💪😎😂 Really loved this one, would love to see many many more high quality Frisian history vids like it. Thank you, you are awsome 🍻
@madilynnsma
@madilynnsma 3 жыл бұрын
Following my Nissan family line back to the north Frisian islands during the 1700s.
@Ballum_64
@Ballum_64 9 ай бұрын
Nice. From which island where they?
@M3au
@M3au 5 жыл бұрын
I believe Gregory of Tours also wrote of this incident.
@garethmaccoll4374
@garethmaccoll4374 7 жыл бұрын
Great video Hilbert - really interesting. On your question about why the treaty was so unfavourable toward the Frisians, is it possible do you think that a small part of it may have been due to the fact that, whatever the truth of what started the conflict, the Frisians were the hosts and it's possible they felt compelled to consider their reputation in light of norms and taboos relating to hospitality? I would also consider the personal relation between King Finn and the Queen in them being man and wife, and her familial relationship to the Danish side, as factors in the sense of Finn perhaps having an impetus to keep the peace of his own home and appease his wife's feelings.
@garytucker8696
@garytucker8696 3 жыл бұрын
Possibly a thing meeting to marry and talk and plans for the coming years plan plus trading too noo doubt,the thing is a very ancient meeting,thank you for sharing.
@olelarsen7688
@olelarsen7688 7 жыл бұрын
This is a difficult story to get a hold on. Everyone interested must choose his favorite version. Also it is written in a complicated way. The people who listened to the story the first few hundred years knew who was who, and who was killed. The anglo-saxon legends were written down 2-3-400 years after they were made, so they have a lot of historical contents, but they also borrowed from each other. The danes and the angel tribes had been allied (400 years before the wiking-age). A legend tells that king Dan and king Angel were brothers, and other things shows it too. The danes consisted of several tribes and kings. Hnæfs kin didn´t die out with him. Charlemagnes wife Hildegard who was an alemanic princess also decented from Nebi son of Hocing. In Withsid hocings is a tribe, not a kin. About Guthlaf and Oslaf the icelandic saga tells: A danish king was Leif the Brave, he had 6 sons, Hærleif,Hunleif,Åleif,Oddleif, Geirleif,Gunleif. I belive Guthlaf and Oslaf decent from Hunleif. Also I have read that there was a jutish colony in Frisia, by Flevo lake and Garulf came from there.
@zachyoung6537
@zachyoung6537 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, but I'd suggest slightly lowering the volume of the background music slightly.
@tamanassman
@tamanassman 6 жыл бұрын
your observation about the meaning of Eotan/Juten/Jutish as also meaning "giant" has me pondering Jutland's possible other ancient name... Jotunheimen. And that the ancient Jutes/Jotnar were subdued by the Danes, whose kings were the line of Odin/Wotan or so they claimed, were they not?......
@stefanatliorvaldsson3563
@stefanatliorvaldsson3563 7 жыл бұрын
great video
@holmgeirgautreksson2451
@holmgeirgautreksson2451 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe Hnæf's Danish warriors swore their allegiance to Hengest after the fall of Finnsburh for avenging their lord? If so, they may have been the ones Hengest and his brother used to conquer Kent.
@user-td3mf9zy2k
@user-td3mf9zy2k 6 жыл бұрын
I love how you say *dead*
@MikeMafiaII
@MikeMafiaII 7 жыл бұрын
Would you consider covering some of the history of the south/middle Netherlands during this time? For example, what was going on south of the Rhine during this time? Were there still people living in Traiectum or any of the former Roman forts? Was the south more Christianized? Or mostly pagan? Anyways, great channel, keep up the good work!
@frisianmouve
@frisianmouve 7 жыл бұрын
I'm also a frisian named Hilbert
@timoscholts2042
@timoscholts2042 4 жыл бұрын
about Jutes being gaints, the vikings called the world where gaints come from the jotunheim.
@stonedape2406
@stonedape2406 2 жыл бұрын
They think the jutes may of came from the modern region of bohuslän, or Alfheimr at the time, in west sweden, due to the high altitudes. This mountainous terrain over thousands of years could be home to a tall tribe of people who would stand out so much their name literally could mean giants. They were also probably related to the geats.
@whogoesthere4451
@whogoesthere4451 7 жыл бұрын
half my family is from friesland, including west friesland (den helder) but i am 100% Brabants. dont know why i said it, but i like your channel watching it for a bit now and i love it.
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate it! As I said in the video Finnsburh could just as easily have been in Zealand or Noord Holland as in modern-day Friesland :)
@whogoesthere4451
@whogoesthere4451 7 жыл бұрын
you made my day with a response, you truly are amazing
@azrich2463
@azrich2463 7 жыл бұрын
Jo fergeat Kening Aerse, waans soan wie de oarspronklike Prins Healfaerse.
@melvinjansen2338
@melvinjansen2338 7 жыл бұрын
Shouts out to 0223
@johnparker7784
@johnparker7784 7 жыл бұрын
My family is from Friesland too but they left there around 1650 to settle in New York in the USA.
@henkvandergaast3948
@henkvandergaast3948 6 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed it... Bur us older fellers have hearing issues (you'll get it too).. The exiting music during the Finnsbergh fight made the narrative unintellgible. As you can see by my name.. I enjoy this..
@reginaldamoah8608
@reginaldamoah8608 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another interesting video. Just one question. So if Hengest conquered Kent how comes he kept the name Kent which was named for the Canti? Other places settled or conquered by Saxons or Angles were named after them.
@ronaldderooij1774
@ronaldderooij1774 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to have some archeological evidence of Finnsburgh. Do we know where it was located at all?
@dutchik5107
@dutchik5107 7 жыл бұрын
haha. I think I need to reread it. cause we read a part of it in English literature (history)class in Waldorf education in the Netherlands. we could read it okay in old English. but we do have a head start. since we speak dutch and modern English. And well the words sound kinda similar. or are just the same as modern dutch. pretty cool having a headstart.
@Phrenotopia
@Phrenotopia 7 жыл бұрын
3:20 King Finn was quite a Kingpin then?
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 7 жыл бұрын
Touché ;)
@mver191
@mver191 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps this whole situation revolved around the same queen they would take back later to Denmark. Finn does something disrespectful to the queen, her brother Hnæf gets mad, then a fight breaks out. The Frisians get driven out of the hall, losing some thegns. The Danes take the queen hostage in the hall, preventing Finn from burning it down or starving them to death. Then they make some kind of treaty, on which the Danes later come back for some reason (Perhaps Finn kept abusing the queen) and attack the Frisians, kill Finn, and take the queen with them back to Denmark.
@williamcooke5627
@williamcooke5627 7 жыл бұрын
Second, I see no evidence in Beowulf that Hengest went back to Denmark for reinforcements. The poet says he was stuck in Finnsburh through the winter because the ocean was too stormy for a sea voyage. "Somebody* did make such a voyage in the spring, but from the poet's account I'd say it was Guthlaf and Oslaf. My guess is that Hengest decided to send *one* ship home in the spring with them in command, to tell the king what had happened, but would not risk his whole force or divide them further for fear that the Frisians would then attack whoever stayed behind in Finnsburg.
@williamcooke5627
@williamcooke5627 7 жыл бұрын
There is one obscure Scandinavian source that suggests Guthlaf, Oslaf, and Hunlaf were three brothers. If so, the unnamed Hunlafing was Hunlaf's son and the nephew of the other two. Hunlaf *may* have died in the first fight, and his son *may* have placed his dead father's sword in Hengest's lap to plead for him to avenge this father.
@williamcooke5627
@williamcooke5627 7 жыл бұрын
If I remember right, there is also a reference to Hunlaf by an obscure English chronicler named Godfrey of Malmesbury in his account of the Anglo-Saxon conquest of England. I *suspect* he had a complete text of the poem on the Fight at Finnsburh, and he seems to have thought that Hengest in the Finnsburh story and Hengest who conquered Kent were one and the same.
@hansfaber8959
@hansfaber8959 3 жыл бұрын
there are two sources on the battle at Finnsburh, Beowulf and the Finnsburh Fragment: www.frisiacoasttrail.com/post/2017/07/02/tolkiens-plea-in-favor-of-king-finn
@williamcooke5627
@williamcooke5627 3 жыл бұрын
@@hansfaber8959 I know that, thanks. i don't see how the fragment bears on my point.
@hansfaber8959
@hansfaber8959 3 жыл бұрын
@@williamcooke5627 thought (because it is all Beowulf) maybe The Fragment would shed some light on it (it doesn't)
@moon_song
@moon_song 7 жыл бұрын
Yeay I'm from Friesland
@thomassugg3422
@thomassugg3422 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video iv always been interested in Anglo Saxon Story's.
@jacquelinevanderkooij4301
@jacquelinevanderkooij4301 4 жыл бұрын
This is frisian-danish.
@gregoryvanjacobs7031
@gregoryvanjacobs7031 Жыл бұрын
Very good
@JeremiahBurns
@JeremiahBurns 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I've not read anything on Finn and Hengest, really. But I've been going back through Beowulf (both Tolkien and Heaney) and wanted to understand better what the minstrel was going on about. Do you know if Tolkien's Finn & Hengest is a good introduction to the material for a novice?
@hansfaber8959
@hansfaber8959 3 жыл бұрын
www.frisiacoasttrail.com/post/2017/07/02/tolkiens-plea-in-favor-of-king-finn
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 6 жыл бұрын
What about the Ramones-people from that time period, and their language "Blitzkrieg Boppe?"
@Malegys
@Malegys 5 жыл бұрын
So, are you half Frysk & half English? just wondering :). Love your channel btw
@philipsmeeton
@philipsmeeton 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds to me like Hengis may have been looking for a new outlet for his ambition when he moved to Britain. He may also have been forced to leave like those vikings that colonised Iceland. Even so the Northern European tribes did know a lot about each other and the Britons may have been considered inferior and easy prey. They were warriors prepared to plunder and conquer. Land and gold and blood and honour and status.
@RossFigurepaintingCoUK
@RossFigurepaintingCoUK 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff. Maybe a relief force of Danes turned up with overwhelming force and the beseigers became the beseiged?
@Massigangster
@Massigangster 6 жыл бұрын
Dear Hilbert, are you aware of the REDBAD film? I was playing yesterday and this morning/night for one of its battle scenes. Definitelly something you will love! CHEERS!
@hengistcane3120
@hengistcane3120 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video.the frisians are probably the closest cousins to us anglo saxons.many thanks
@cjvaye99
@cjvaye99 2 жыл бұрын
"BALLS! the king must never engage in direct battle!"
@free_gold4467
@free_gold4467 Жыл бұрын
Interesting!
@a.z.c.5462
@a.z.c.5462 6 жыл бұрын
" Now we don't actually know if at this moment King Hoc was still alive, or if he was *_DEED_* "
@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite
@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite 4 жыл бұрын
English is not my native language and despite that, that pronunciation totally caught me off guard.
@julesgosnell9791
@julesgosnell9791 2 жыл бұрын
I expect that the Jutes took the opportunity, possibly by working on both sides, to play off the Danes and Frisians against each other, thus creating more opportunity for themselves. Hengist, may have come out on top not just with the Jutes but also with the Danes, if he was convincing. Whether it was with one or both, it looks as if this then created further opportunities for him, culminating in the conquest of Kent. Smart guy ! He played the game well and achieved immortality - we are still mentioning his name here today 1500 years later. BTW - what would levels of mutual intelligibility between the Danes and the Frisians have been like at this time ?
@pm71241
@pm71241 7 жыл бұрын
"Shield Danes" ... I know nothing about this, but in Danish pre-history myths are "Skjoldungerne" ("Skjold" meaning Shield). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scylding
@Dextamartijn
@Dextamartijn 6 жыл бұрын
You should do a video about why friesians and Groningen's can't get along lol
@matthijsstemmerik
@matthijsstemmerik 6 жыл бұрын
Dextamartijn hahahaha I like xD
@corsijtsma3546
@corsijtsma3546 5 жыл бұрын
Its all about the football🤷🏼‍♂️
@Matthijsklaassen
@Matthijsklaassen 4 жыл бұрын
Its because Friesland is mentally stuck in 850 A.D., while Groningen has vision for the future with a world class university and one of the best start-up environments in Europe.
@k.b.392
@k.b.392 4 жыл бұрын
@@Matthijsklaassen I have BOLTJE cousins in Groningen.
@sebastiaanmeijer4922
@sebastiaanmeijer4922 3 жыл бұрын
@@Matthijsklaassen ik wil niet vervelend doen. Ken je deze gezegde ook. "Er gaat niets boven Groningen". Kijk goed naar de eerste 2 woorden! Gaat er een belletje rinkelen? Rutte heeft nog een mooi cadeautje voor jullie na afgelopen verkiezingen! Ken nog wel wat EXTRA HULP GEBRUIKEN na alle aardbevingen.
@uwu-fm2kj
@uwu-fm2kj 7 жыл бұрын
Ha! I always thought no one knew about the frisians. Im quarter frisian and have a frisian name. This was interesting !
@dutchik5107
@dutchik5107 7 жыл бұрын
"wolff was a last name back then" (best friends last name is wolff)
@esbendit
@esbendit 7 жыл бұрын
The Scyldings is a line of legendary danish kings. In modern danish it is Skjoldungerne, meaning the children of Skjold.
@joonte1010
@joonte1010 5 жыл бұрын
Indeed, its counterpart in Svitjod was the ynglings.
@thomasthomas1359
@thomasthomas1359 5 жыл бұрын
Nice vid
@martinan22
@martinan22 4 жыл бұрын
Scyldings are an old dynasty descended from Odin.
@FreekVerkerk
@FreekVerkerk 4 жыл бұрын
It is very well possible that the Jutes were a kind of merceneries who where the survivors of the Finnsburg fight and were bought of by the frisians to leave Frisia, or they had completely robbed them and there was nothing more left for them. So out of work but with loot, they moved the England / Kent to repeat their successful fights.
@stonedape2406
@stonedape2406 2 жыл бұрын
Could be true, the jutes were probably related if not the same tribe earlier on as the geats, and this is supported by a fair amount of evidence.
@Dutchofclass
@Dutchofclass 7 жыл бұрын
hey Hilbert, love your videos mate :) would it be possible to do a video on how the southern part of the Netherlands were 'conquered'/ ruled over by the hollanders and thus became a part of the kingdom? TA
@jaardpeer4148
@jaardpeer4148 6 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the Anglo-Saxon invasion largely stimulated by the flooding of the Wadden Sea coastal area? I believe most of the Danish Wadden islands were cut off from the mainland during that period. Also modern day Ostfriesland's coast (i.a. Saxon habitat) was largely impacted.
@jaardpeer4148
@jaardpeer4148 6 жыл бұрын
Could you make a video about the Waddensea and the impact of it's floodings on North Sea Europe? About all the migration that it triggered?
@AJ_B_
@AJ_B_ 4 жыл бұрын
.i think so for the saxons but not for the angles
@RockerNate81
@RockerNate81 2 жыл бұрын
I thought that Beowulf referred to Hnaef and Hengest as leaders of the "Half-Danes." I just assumed that the Jutes were in the northern part of Jutland, and the Danes were to the south of them. The "Half-Danes" were like a mixture of the two. Am I wrong?
@ieuanpugh-jones5284
@ieuanpugh-jones5284 6 жыл бұрын
Eot/ iotunheimr home/land of the giants in Norse mythology
@johnsmith-eh3de
@johnsmith-eh3de 5 жыл бұрын
My yDNA is R1b-U106 the Frisian clade.
@Iamthegreatestofalltime
@Iamthegreatestofalltime 4 жыл бұрын
Why did the Danes make peace with Frisia if they were winning? Maybe because they preferred to avoid battle if possible as this behavior was shown in the Viking age
@danielcox3152
@danielcox3152 5 жыл бұрын
Near me there is Hengistbury Head :)
@guerillaguru8650
@guerillaguru8650 Ай бұрын
I'm Frisian,Batavian and from Canefate descent..yeah i'm Dutch
@jacobsmith5603
@jacobsmith5603 6 жыл бұрын
When does this happen in Beowulf and why is it included in Beowulf at all? (I have not read Beowulf yet)
@Neenerella333
@Neenerella333 6 жыл бұрын
Check out Leornende Eald Englisc's Epic Reading of the Finnsburh Episode From Beowulf in Old English. It's pretty cool and not hard to follow. The answer to your question is there.
@williamcooke5627
@williamcooke5627 7 жыл бұрын
This is a good treatment, Hilbert, but it hsn't changed my mind on several points.
@williamcooke5627
@williamcooke5627 7 жыл бұрын
First off, I know of no evidence that Hoc was King of Denmark. He doesn't appear among the Danish kings mentioned in the opening of "Beowulf', The "Widsith' poet says Sigehere ruled the 'Sea-Danes' and goes right on to say that Hnaef ruled the Hocings, i.e. the people of Hoc. I think that Hoc, and Hnaef after him, were underkings or vassal kings ruling in Jutland under the King of Denmark, who at the time was most likely Hrothgar's father Healfdene.
@williamcooke5627
@williamcooke5627 7 жыл бұрын
That would explain why Hnaef's men are variously referred to as Danes, 'Half-Danes', and Eotenas = Jutes.
@williamcooke5627
@williamcooke5627 7 жыл бұрын
Other commentators notwithstanding, I see no reason to think there was more than one party of Jutes: the one that came with Hnaef to visit his sister and her husband. It comes down to how one interprets lines 1085-94 in Beowulf, which outline the truce terms, and I won't go into detail here.
@sundbyster4011
@sundbyster4011 6 жыл бұрын
🤘
@SIG442
@SIG442 7 жыл бұрын
I personally did not look into the matter, but I did find a few years ago some interesting claims. It seems the Frisians rather came from Greenland according to those claims as a large powerful merchant group. Being also tall people or as 'giants'. If i remember correctly, the Frisians in that information source would have been visiting the America's (Both North as South America), Asia and Most of Europe. According to that source the Frisians were the most powerful on the seas with the most men power and ships. This source even claimed that the Frisians had trading outposts (or enclaves if you like) on the coasts of Scotland, England (west coast), Frysia, Denmark, Germany (former Frysia), Norway and Sweden. Which would hint that the theory of some of the ideas in your video would actually match up in some form with the information I found then. But humans being humans, the winner takes all and changes history to it's liking. Even if that means destroying what came before or another culture. Unfortunately I lost the original source that mentioned this, but I did go on a quick search for you. I can't verify if these are any good, but it may at least be a good read I guess? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisland (nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisland) commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Greenland (Scroll trough the images, you will find some interesting names on the images...) www.wikiwand.com/en/North_Frisia www.beccajjones.com/frisland-1/ (don't forget to look at the images on google when looking for Frisland)
@jacquelinevanderkooij4301
@jacquelinevanderkooij4301 4 жыл бұрын
Ok Greenland has been settled long after the romans and after Charlemain. The romans traded with the frisians (from the first century)and moved frisians to England (in their armies) and Charlemain (around 800) wrote down our laws. So forget the Greenland story. The frisians were great traders. The Nortsea was called the frisian sea in the past.
@SIG442
@SIG442 4 жыл бұрын
The vikings clearly stated that there was a advanced civilization there before they even arrived in Greenland. A people that did leave buildings etc but no trace of them. That would indicate that there would have been a rather advanced civilization at least around the start of the calendar as we know it today or even before that. The Frisians as the vikings knew them were actually considered to be part of the viking culture as well. Which would obviously make sense later on with Grutte Pier for example who was a massive man with insane strength. It would also make sense regarding the Roman's and the Frisians that actually could easily beat them and fought them back all the way to Rome. More history that is today erased for some odd reason. For the North sea being the Frisian Sea before, yeah I did hear that as well and there are indeed texts that refer to that. The original size of the description of the sea running from the north of Norway to Calais and even between Norway and Denmark being part of it. And on the west side all the way to Greenland. There must be a very good reason why people fear the Frisians so much and why they try to cover up all details. There must be a lot more to it then just what we know so far.
@nikedoesthings
@nikedoesthings 6 жыл бұрын
Ok so Grutte Pier was like the only tall Frysian at the time? XDD
@jimandrews2912
@jimandrews2912 2 жыл бұрын
May Frey be with you all .
@TheBigDiamonds
@TheBigDiamonds 6 жыл бұрын
>he mentiones frisia >panically turn down the volume >nothing happens WTF MAN
@RogerTheil
@RogerTheil 4 жыл бұрын
Naming my next son Folcwald now.
@CV_CA
@CV_CA 6 жыл бұрын
Around 7:45 the music is too loud.
@koosh138
@koosh138 7 жыл бұрын
if that's the same Hengist that took Kent, where would the Saxons fit in to all this?
@jasonhight6703
@jasonhight6703 5 жыл бұрын
The Britons called the Saxons after there short swords sai, maybe they were Danes/jutes that invaded Kent , but the Britons called the Saxons,
@jacquelinevanderkooij4301
@jacquelinevanderkooij4301 4 жыл бұрын
They never did. Saxons did not live at coast.
@bushwhackedonvhs
@bushwhackedonvhs 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonhight6703 “Saxon” was a self-applied name. There are continental Saxons who did not go to Britain and therefore never had extensive contact with British tribes.
@bushwhackedonvhs
@bushwhackedonvhs 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacquelinevanderkooij4301 Saxons absolutely did make up part of the peoples who went to Britain, specifically they went to the southern part. Modern Saxons live inland because the Franks (who later became the Dutch) moved in where the Saxons had left. Borders shift. Demographics shift. You can’t go off of modern extents of people groups to talk about history.
@2ossy
@2ossy 7 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha Fryslân Boppe
@henkvisser2377
@henkvisser2377 2 жыл бұрын
Putting on subtitles with this makes this sometimes so bad. It changes jutish to Jewish. Subtitles automatically created make it sound kinda 30's German like. Very interesting stuff this. Much respect dude from a kinda Frisian aka a liwwarder
@65stang98
@65stang98 4 ай бұрын
i descend from folcwald down to robert the bruces wife then my down my line. Pretty cool to find out. There must be hundreds of millions of their descendants now.
@MICHAEL-wg2lh
@MICHAEL-wg2lh 3 жыл бұрын
The Frisian flag is amazing I swear 👌🗡️
@dennisvisser3910
@dennisvisser3910 5 жыл бұрын
Pepole from norway have been discribed as giants by the english. Don’t know if iT might be relevant.
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