The Game That Would Change RPGs Forever: Moon Remix RPG Adventure

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The Rpg Monger

The Rpg Monger

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@車食べたい
@車食べたい 4 жыл бұрын
Lovedelic died not because of low sales, but rather due to artistic desires. After creating UFO, that team left and founded their own company, and after L.O.L., a good chunk of the staff left again. The people left basically thought that they were not LoveDeLic anymore, and basically disbanded (and later formed Skip This is why they aren't listed as going bankrupt, but are classified as disbanded (although L.O.L. selling terribly didn't help
@hemangchauhan2864
@hemangchauhan2864 4 жыл бұрын
twitter.com/TheBunkajin/status/1298753948443185154 This is a list of companies the original devs later worked in. Onion games is currently the most active right now, who currently published it.
@dio8451
@dio8451 4 жыл бұрын
Hey hey, thanks for this. Probably wouldn't have heard about Moon if it wasn't for you, and I really like the sound of it.
@darutucaruti9980
@darutucaruti9980 4 жыл бұрын
moon*
@roadrunnermarionette9509
@roadrunnermarionette9509 4 жыл бұрын
14:05 This puzzle is super easy if you meet the robot in the morning of Echo day when his battery is still low. It will be a lot slower than him having full battery.
@TheRpgMonger
@TheRpgMonger 4 жыл бұрын
Damn I wish I would have known that lol
@dantethewanderer4989
@dantethewanderer4989 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRpgMonger L
@ZeranZeran
@ZeranZeran 2 жыл бұрын
Game's these days just don't have the cool little details like this anymore that's awesome.
@glennrugar9248
@glennrugar9248 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure the mother 3 fans are loving that this got localized
@smiith5
@smiith5 4 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for all the old Mother fans who have to deal with the new whiney ones.
@dr.velious5411
@dr.velious5411 4 жыл бұрын
I am at least.
@mikebrushing1851
@mikebrushing1851 4 жыл бұрын
they should suck it up and play this, it's way better than just a quirky JRPG
@glennrugar9248
@glennrugar9248 4 жыл бұрын
@@mikebrushing1851 I've been so on the fence about this one. What metroidvanias have you played?
@KOTEBANAROT
@KOTEBANAROT 4 жыл бұрын
I hate mother 3 fans so much its fucking unreal
@royale6652
@royale6652 4 жыл бұрын
19:31 Its a literal lore dump...
@Bmaster4114
@Bmaster4114 6 ай бұрын
I know this was 3 years ago, recently watched a playthrough of the game, in the case of the armor the hero gets in the tavern, I believe that wasn't the armor mentioned later in the game. The Hero is more or less seeing the world in the eyes of an RPJ, normal animals are enemies, Normal clothes are items they can get. In the RPG part in the intro, the Hero dons the armor he got at the in when the Rainbow is activated. In the actual game, after you activate the rainbow, the Hero puts on Woman's underwear..... The "armor" he got from the dresser... was not armor... it was female underwear. The armor he is in from start to finish, is the cursed armor that is making him see the world around him as the RPG. The logic of why would a powerful armor be in the tavern owner's dresser is silly and the devs knew this, so they show that it wasn't actually armor and make him oddly wear it over his normal armor.
@ashblawesome6757
@ashblawesome6757 4 жыл бұрын
Why does the "catch!" message remind me of petscop so much???
@galiasvirtual4078
@galiasvirtual4078 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe Petscop was influenced by moon.
@smiith5
@smiith5 4 жыл бұрын
@@galiasvirtual4078 this
@richarddakazo2878
@richarddakazo2878 4 жыл бұрын
@@galiasvirtual4078 As soon as I saw that you gain "Love" in this game instead of Levels I figured Undertale probably drew direct inspiration from this too, though with a different spin.
@hahrhthuhrh3542
@hahrhthuhrh3542 4 жыл бұрын
@@richarddakazo2878 the soul that flies through your screen ridiculously fast reminds me a lot of the "extremely agile water glass" from the defuse the bomb minigame
@LezbeOswald
@LezbeOswald 4 жыл бұрын
same that message sent the fear of god through me when it first popped up lol
@OhNoBohNo
@OhNoBohNo 4 жыл бұрын
Besides Petscop, another piece of media that I feel resembles Moon w/out its creators saying they were influenced by it, is Wandersong, in which you play a Bard who uses his kindness and music to try and save the world from destruction as a hero goes around killing the gods of that Universe. There's so much about trying to help communities and people, and the hatred and love in all that, the inevitability of tragedy, and the hope that continues anyway, that Moon reminds me of. Moon and Undertale really helped lay some of the foundations for more varied non-fighting adventure games to bloom and thrive.
@ThunderKnightSilver2
@ThunderKnightSilver2 4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering why I suddenly started seeing this game everywhere! I had never heard of it and just thought it was one of the many cult classic PSX JRPG's that I missed.
@logans.7932
@logans.7932 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like I've seen the design of this game's player character on the monster art of a Yu-Gi-Oh card.
@176463
@176463 4 жыл бұрын
You have. I believe its called skelengel.
@logans.7932
@logans.7932 4 жыл бұрын
@@176463 Not the one I'm thinking of but I see the resemblance.
@alsergobuchdederut2301
@alsergobuchdederut2301 3 жыл бұрын
@@logans.7932 it looks like the normal monster "Genin"
@randominternetuser5872
@randominternetuser5872 4 жыл бұрын
9:42 , why does Japanese only games like to have depressing divorced characters? We already got starfy with Moe's father, and now this?
@C00K13-Z_9
@C00K13-Z_9 3 жыл бұрын
*idk*
@YowLife
@YowLife 4 жыл бұрын
I think i know why this game did poorly. The game's ending message is to not play video games. I can just imagine the player thinking "Fine if you didn't want me to play you in the first place, I'll just exchange you for a better game! Now what's this Legend of Dragoon?" Perhaps it would have been better if at Continue? "Yes" was the correct option, and it allowed you to play as the "hero" once again. Only this time, you are back at the end of the game and are able to head to the door and, using your superior strength, open it and bring light back to the world in atonement.
@vyor8837
@vyor8837 4 жыл бұрын
Of course another game did the same thing and sold wonderfully. I hate Spec Ops for that reason.
@KOTEBANAROT
@KOTEBANAROT 3 жыл бұрын
@@vyor8837 i feel like spec ops has more relevance and reason to exists these days, when army straight up invades gaming circles trying to recruit young men by comparing actual warfare to call of duty. Spec ops has a lot more worth when seen as a warning against buying into If War Game Fun Then War Itself Fun propaganda. I dont think it was the intention though and i didnt like it much at all.
@vyor8837
@vyor8837 3 жыл бұрын
@@KOTEBANAROT they've been doing that for the past 30 years. Anyone that thinks actual war is like COD deserves to get shot.
@sharrel704
@sharrel704 3 жыл бұрын
But that... ruins the whole point....
@C00K13-Z_9
@C00K13-Z_9 3 жыл бұрын
@Leite W. Wow, I never thought of that. Very interesting!
@cloudkitsune17
@cloudkitsune17 3 жыл бұрын
I love Moon, and the team who made it. Ever since I saw Moon on the Japanese eshop, I was crossing my fingers it would get localized and so glad it did. I hope we can see Chulip brought to the Switch as well, as I have a soft spot for that specific game, too. Onion Games make some wonderful titles, and I am also very curious on what their next RPG is going to end up like.
@Lucas-db2jq
@Lucas-db2jq 4 жыл бұрын
I've finished the game today, and aside from some complaints and gripes (I really think this game needed a run button) I honestly loved it. It is well deserving of its excellent translation and I'm a little sad I have never even heard about it until recently. I hope it gets more attention and more people get to experience and enjoy it, this game right here is the very definition of a hidden gem.
@TheDandyLionsUK
@TheDandyLionsUK 2 жыл бұрын
I played this on an emulator (I have bought the steam version also!) And being able to fast forward time was massively helpful... And it was still tedious lol But a very interesting and charming game that I really wanted to love more than I did
@the_m6689
@the_m6689 4 жыл бұрын
you gotta play hylics if you like the clay style. its a great game!
@ZeranZeran
@ZeranZeran 2 жыл бұрын
Also the Space Shooter Platypus!
@vustvaleo8068
@vustvaleo8068 4 жыл бұрын
the premise of the game is super ahead of its time which is a bit sad that it didn't sell well, it is a hidden gem.
@Megamean09
@Megamean09 4 жыл бұрын
I'll tell you why you hadn't come across Battle Network until now: the painful-to-navigate areas with no map, random encounters in a game without an experience system, and to even RUN from the usually-useless encounters, you need to waste space in your chip deck by adding (and hoping you draw) a Run chip.
@connordarvall8482
@connordarvall8482 4 жыл бұрын
Some of the visual effects remind of Petscop. That just adds a whole new context to that webseries.
@ShyGuyXXL
@ShyGuyXXL 3 жыл бұрын
There's actually a trick to the Robot simon says minigame: The lower his batteries are, the slower the minigame will be. If you catch him right as he starts charging, it will be really easy. I thought that was a really clever way to reward careful time planning. ...or you could just get lucky and stumble upon him at the right time.
@SECONDQUEST
@SECONDQUEST 4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't say battle network is underrated. It's a huge series that even got toys when I was a kid
@mossy229
@mossy229 4 жыл бұрын
I love hearing the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon music, and being able to recognize it too XD
@needsleep.kinoco
@needsleep.kinoco 4 жыл бұрын
first knew about it when browsing through a jpn LPer's playlist ages ago. while i couldn't understand shit, the gameplay was easy to understand enough and i was really mesmerized by its unique storytelling and style for a game made in the 90s. being a long time fan of the mother series and liking weird out of the box/trope defying kind of games like it, this was right up my alley. but there was barely anything about it on eng net back then. it was so obscure i only found like 2 or 3 sites mentioning it.Never thought i'd see the day this long forgotten treasure get a revival with an actual official english translation and the proper recognition it really deserves.
@yaqoubalshatti205
@yaqoubalshatti205 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like a sucker for choosing continue, realizing (mistakenly) that I have hit the bad ending, then rage quitting all while vowing never to play the game again. I was at level 29.
@ravioliguy4252
@ravioliguy4252 4 жыл бұрын
Really loved this video!! I'll probably try out later, also the BN mention at the end made me pog. You'll love BN3.
@dr.velious5411
@dr.velious5411 4 жыл бұрын
Little late here, but the memory puzzle slows way down if you get there just as Robi plugs in to charge the battery, there's a clue somewhere about his CPU slowing down when his battery gets low.
@dr.velious5411
@dr.velious5411 4 жыл бұрын
Aside note, I could practically hear the Captain Rainbow theme as soon as you showed the clip, I love that game so SO much.
@BYERE
@BYERE 4 жыл бұрын
An interesting video on an equally interesting game. I'll have to look at trying it at some point. Now, Megaman Battle Network... THERE'S a series I love! I really must play through them all again. It's been far too long since I last did so.
@CaptainBasculin
@CaptainBasculin 4 жыл бұрын
Looks interesting, will give it a shot.
@NERDmNERDf
@NERDmNERDf 4 жыл бұрын
This game atm is kinda underground still, but mark my words, it will very soon blow up. Let's players, make your move
@q-miiproductions878
@q-miiproductions878 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: it was thanks to Toby Fox that Yoshio Kimura (the writer) finally got to localizing this! He was inspired after Toby asked why it wasn’t over a coffee break.
@ZeranZeran
@ZeranZeran 2 жыл бұрын
Okay even the font in the game logo "moon" looks like the Gummi Ship font! There has to be some crossover in the designs of both games, even the environments and the characters remind me of Kingdom hearts, and from a game all the way back in 1997! That's so cool to me. These concepts have been around so much longer than I thought. Excellent video. This is really cool, and now I really wanna try Moon Remix RPG
@monroerobbins7551
@monroerobbins7551 4 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I’ve heard about Moon. I love RPG’s, and it’s so sweet to hear that such an old game is an anti-rpg that’s complex, focuses on positivity, has cute characters and design, a pretty neat plot, you can choose what songs play like in Animal Crossing, it’s so fantastic. I know this has been done more recently, but... I grew up with older games, like Atari, so seeing such an old game exploring a genre that wasn’t overly saturated with games yet is so fascinating and amazing. They already had such a solid grasp that they could turn against it, and I respect that so much.
@16moons
@16moons 4 жыл бұрын
I love that more people are starting to notice battle network. It's a treasure.
@GalaticCyrus
@GalaticCyrus 4 жыл бұрын
my first time seeing this game i noticed it reminded me of legend of mana a lot Monger: lovedelic was previously part of squaresoft well that explains it
@nessie-from-earthbound1601
@nessie-from-earthbound1601 7 ай бұрын
17:00 The "cursed armor" isn't the stuff from Wanda's dresser; it's what he's already wearing. What he got from the dresser was equipped right before the rainbow showed up in Fake Moon, and he was already wearing his regular/cursed armor at that point. In the real world, the Legendary Armor parts is Wanda's lingerie, as he's seen wearing underwear and a bra in the real world after you pan to him after you turn on the rainbow machine
@KeyThrast
@KeyThrast 4 жыл бұрын
YEEESSS!!! Battle Network Battle Network Battle Network Battle Network!!! 🙌🙌🙌🙌
@twilighttoast01
@twilighttoast01 4 жыл бұрын
Man Moon looks cool, definitely considering picking it up after watching this
@Julayla
@Julayla 4 жыл бұрын
6:40 That's okay. I watched the playthrough of the Japanese version first years ago, then watched a livestream of the English version before coming here. And yeah, I really am excited to play the game myself, despite those
@trashbirdie
@trashbirdie 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I love how you went through the story and described every important event, I really enjoy watching concise storylines like that when I'm not planning to play the game myself
@MadreJoshua
@MadreJoshua 4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of games they went on to do, i think an episode on Little King Story would be very interesting. It was another very unique game, somewhat pikmin-ish, made by some f the people from Lovedelic, which also ended up getting very poor sales only to be forgotten entirely...except for some weird ps-vita pseudo sequel/remake thing that also no one bought. Its available on the wii or the steam store.
@SyddlesFuzz
@SyddlesFuzz 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this offered inspiration for Hylics and Petscop.
@Ramsey276one
@Ramsey276one 4 жыл бұрын
Just saw reviews of Hylics 1 and 2 yesterday!
@MultiCool55
@MultiCool55 4 жыл бұрын
I thought of petscop the second the "Catch!" message came up.
@lrgogo1517
@lrgogo1517 4 жыл бұрын
The new animated entrance really impresses me!
@VASULA30
@VASULA30 4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of interesting RPGs the claymation reminded me of the Hylics series. If you want something weird, those games got you covered
@baddragonite
@baddragonite 4 жыл бұрын
On the end of the video: I LOVE Megaman Battle Network. Can't wait to see more videos on it! Hoping they nake a collection of then- preferably with online multiplayer.
@DoodleWill
@DoodleWill 4 жыл бұрын
So Rayman, Plok! and _oh wait I can't make this joke since the character doesn't have an actual name_
@FoxMan_FF
@FoxMan_FF 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't know people who worked on the Tingle games had a hand in making this game! I had a feeling the character designs looked familiar.
@Ramsey276one
@Ramsey276one 4 жыл бұрын
I want to play Tingles sequel!
@michaelcrain-zamora3271
@michaelcrain-zamora3271 4 жыл бұрын
I waited 9 years for this game...and it was so worth it.
@feIon
@feIon 4 жыл бұрын
agreed
@theonlybilge
@theonlybilge Жыл бұрын
M has come to.
@cloudkitsune17
@cloudkitsune17 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you reviewed this game as it has been on my wishlist since 2019 when I spotted it on the Japanese eshop, but somehow missed its release date for the localization port. I thank you for reminding me to pick this game up!
@veradistheeggcat229
@veradistheeggcat229 Жыл бұрын
I love how you can kinda tell who contributed what based on what the devs made after leaving.
@thattimestampguy
@thattimestampguy 3 жыл бұрын
5:19 The Developers 6:43 The Story 8:43 Baker The Baker👨‍🍳 9:16 Fred The Guard 9:54 The Point of The Gameplay Non-linear play 11:38 American House, Japanese House Americans favor heroes who are actually villains 17:11 The Armor is Cursed 17:58 To The Moon 🌙 19:32 The Climax 20:57 Continue or Not? Open The Door 🚪 To The Light 23:40 Undertale: A Moon Retelling
@coolbluedudette27
@coolbluedudette27 4 жыл бұрын
You take the moon, and you take the moon, and you take the moon
@notproductiveproductions3504
@notproductiveproductions3504 4 жыл бұрын
And you take the moon
@ArlanKels
@ArlanKels 4 жыл бұрын
A game that old having a day and night system... Ultima V and Castlevania 2 would like to have a word with you sir.
@brandonjacques7624
@brandonjacques7624 4 жыл бұрын
I would love it if you reviewed Skies of Arcadia. It’s an incredibly under appreciated rpg that deserves way more attention.
@tackwardsfongjump1800
@tackwardsfongjump1800 4 жыл бұрын
Another early under appreciated innovative anti rpg is Drakengard released in 2003. It was the first game that really went hard on the “you are a terrible person for doing this.” vibe that stuff like Spec Ops: The Line and Undertale popularized. And its conclusion gives off an aura of such dread, terror, and insanity that I’ve never seen replicated, or attempted in a game since.
@TheDandyLionsUK
@TheDandyLionsUK 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the plot synopsis, I caught about half of the monsters with no real plot progression and got bored, but cheers for allowing me to "finish" the game. I did enjoy it but having but the tedium built into the game eventually got to me.
@jb0258
@jb0258 4 жыл бұрын
Hiya! (Please scroll to the bottom of the comment for important information, for you specifically) I've been an extreme Megaman Battle Network fan since 2004. Still own and have beat every game in its series, including the 2 DS games. Battle Network 5 Double Team DS, as well as an ordered copy of the fan translated Megaman Battle Network: Operate Shooting Star. Which is a remake of Battle Network 1 with a new Star Force side story (it's 100% the definitive way to experience the first game). It's just too bad we never got an actual western release. If you literally have any questions whatsoever about the games or even the TV show. I'd be more than honored to give you detailed little secrets for each game or even some not too well known information about them, for your video. I've always wanted to share this knowledge I have for the series and truly think you'd be interested in quite a lot of it. Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help :)
@serrotnodnarB
@serrotnodnarB 4 жыл бұрын
just beat moon last week and it sure was a ride. definitely recommend it to those looking for something completely different
@arturohernandez5509
@arturohernandez5509 4 жыл бұрын
i was getting very big chulip vibes from this game and it made me so happy to hear that moon was made by some of the same people! i love chulip so much, i’m definitely going to play moon
@pmdmakesmecri2
@pmdmakesmecri2 3 жыл бұрын
The game's art style is like a mesh between Super Mario RPG, and the Tingle games, the clay/pixel art styles.
@Nov-5062
@Nov-5062 3 жыл бұрын
The Tingle games made by the same people, so it can't be a coincidence
@darutucaruti9980
@darutucaruti9980 4 жыл бұрын
moon getting localized makes me hopeful for Mother 3, thing that I don't like being
@Kirbo69420
@Kirbo69420 4 жыл бұрын
Idk why but this is like petscop where you catch pets and the way moon shows you catching a pet looks like petscop
@HyperfixationWizard
@HyperfixationWizard 4 ай бұрын
I think I realize why a white arrow of all things created the hero, despite the fact that the player and the hero are one and the same. It's kind of similar to how the rumroms are implemented in the story. Think about it for a second, when you open up a new script in a programming language, especially if you have it set to dark mode, what's the first thing you see? A white arrow.
@thepopemichael
@thepopemichael 3 жыл бұрын
This game is very Petscop-y if I recall correctly.
@misterniceguy429
@misterniceguy429 2 жыл бұрын
“Whatever the main character’s name is” for Smash Bros.
@petershillito
@petershillito 3 жыл бұрын
Good news folks, Onion Games just announced moon coming to Steam.
@cloud99337
@cloud99337 4 жыл бұрын
Got to say i haven't heard of moon but now that i have its on my list of games to play. On the megaman battle network topic its highly underrated and it wasn't received well on launch but those that loved it still play it to this day. anyways back to Samurai Jack which is also a fun game
@corvussio1454
@corvussio1454 2 жыл бұрын
I see, so this is what inspired the game part of Petscop.
@JunnyJai
@JunnyJai 4 жыл бұрын
Oh man I can't wait until you do Battle network. I remember playing that back in highschool and it was a great time.
@spaceace9103
@spaceace9103 4 жыл бұрын
I'm loving your new content Monger
@darthcass1210
@darthcass1210 4 жыл бұрын
Funny enough the memory game for Robi was super easy when I played it? I've seen a couple of people say it was hard but that was the exact opposite of my experience. The worst love getting experience I had was trying to get 5 fish in that stupid fishing contest. I just gave up at some point for that one tbh it's not worth the 1 heart. Great video! moon is such a good game and that ending stuck with me, goddamn.
@a.dennis4835
@a.dennis4835 4 жыл бұрын
For me, the monkey island and Adder's memory quiz were the hardest part.
@lssjgaming1599
@lssjgaming1599 4 жыл бұрын
One of my coworkers told me about the game about a week ago actually. I’m excited to see what it’s about and m if ur wanna give it a try
@goatbone
@goatbone 4 жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough for my first attempt at the robot puzzle being on a day which is was very easy. I find it so funny when I see people complaining about how difficult it is haha.
@Sara3346
@Sara3346 4 жыл бұрын
This feels very diffrent than reading about the game on wikipedia I admit though.
@elcatrinc1996
@elcatrinc1996 3 жыл бұрын
This is like the Ghost Stories English Dub, is a parody but also official
@jyuviolegrace2206
@jyuviolegrace2206 4 жыл бұрын
More videos about videogames like this pls
@justwungo
@justwungo 4 жыл бұрын
So glad these guys' work is finally being recognised as the incredible masterpieces that they are.
@Dappis
@Dappis 4 жыл бұрын
I've been hyped to play Moon since i read the HCG101 article about it in like 2011
@sludgegulley
@sludgegulley 4 жыл бұрын
Very sexy. Probably won’t be watching this since I haven’t played the game yet, but I love seeing people talk about it.
@RoninCatholic
@RoninCatholic 4 жыл бұрын
"Why is it okay for heroes to kill every wild animal that crosses their path?" Because the wild animals are frenzied and attack the hero on sight. This is one of the easiest RPG conventions ever to explain and justify, unlike the "heroes are allowed to burgle peoples' houses scot-free" cliche. First level heroes have only a dozen HP or so? That means those wild, ravening, carnivorous monsters with more than 12 attack power can, will, and frequently do kill and eat ordinary people - the hero, due to his superior stats and equipment, is able to stand up to them and would be _wrong_ to _not_ kill them when given the chance. Quite often (EarthBound, Dragon Quest) these monsters are either under the control of the main villain or are driven into a rabies-like insanity by the villain's indirect influence on the world. The fact that a hero gets enough cash to be able to pay people for room and board (instead of just barging into an inn or house and saying "I'm sleeping here and there's nothing you can do about it" like an actual immoral douchenozzle would) and maintain/upgrade his gear is just a nice bonus. "I was not expecting a game this old to have a time system" Considering both Dragon Warrior 3 and Castlevania 2 used a day/night cycle, the surprising part here is that they keep track of the day of the week as well. I love the touch that your hero in this game actually needs sleep and can die of exhaustion if you keep trying to exert him beyond his limits.
@CGoody564
@CGoody564 4 жыл бұрын
Your sentiment about killing the creatures entirely missed the point.
@RoninCatholic
@RoninCatholic 4 жыл бұрын
@@CGoody564 More like "I understand _this_ story but I disagree with its premise". _Here_ we actually _do_ have foreign creatures who are just innocent and minding their own business being killed by a false surface-level hero (an undead "hero" at that) but not only is this usually the main thing a "subversion" of a JRPG criticizes from the genre, it's the single JRPG genre convention in least need of subversion. Moon does a much better job with its message than, say, Undertale.
@CGoody564
@CGoody564 4 жыл бұрын
@@RoninCatholic the only way one could say it is the trope that doesn't need subversion is because of all of the assumptions we make as the protagonist/hero, which this is calling in to question. Mechanically it makes sense, but in every other sense it doesn't make any sense. Unless the games lore says a rabies epidemic has been unleashed (it never does), the idea of "evil influence" causing rabid attacks is quite absurd, and most certainly warrants subversion if that is what the creators are going for
@RoninCatholic
@RoninCatholic 4 жыл бұрын
@@CGoody564 Why would you think in a world with proven supernatural powers that there isn't a supernatural power that either jacks up wild animals' aggression to unnatural levels or outright mind-controls them? That the only valid explanation is _mundane, real-world_ rabies? Go ahead and play an RPG. Don't buy a weapon, just walk from one town to another. Don't select "Attack", just "Defend" or "Flee" and watch the slimes and living dead actively attempt to murder you regardless of your actions. They are doing this to all other travelers trying to go about their business, such as farmers bringing their food to the market. And for that matter, some monsters are demons, ghosts, skeletons, and the like - things that aren't "innocent wild animals" but visibly-monstrous monsters that can be easily recognized as evil if they act immediately hostile. The "subversion" here is that instead of a single good, mighty hero righteously protecting the weak and innocent from an army of evil monsters under some sort of supernatural spell to jack up their aggression, it's a single marauding monster jacked up by a spell going about and slaughtering non-threatening animals and looting peoples' houses. The "hero" of Fake Moon is every bit 100% the very thing you're decrying as "unrealistic" in baseline RPGs. Narratively, good hero kills evil monsters and saves the day makes sense. It makes ABSOLUTE sense. Mechanically, player has hero kill monsters to gain experience points and money to upgrade himself and fight progressively stronger monsters on a treadmill is fun but has no direct reason to be tied directly to the other. Here though? The game actively withholds/misleads you with the information it presents. The player is shown a world of violent, immediately hostile monsters and friendly NPCs grateful to be saved. Then after playing this, the game says "WELL ACTUALLY THAT WAS ALL A LIE, ALL THOSE THINGS WE FORCED YOU TO DO ARE WRONG AND EVIL" and then depicts a world of the exact opposite: Innocent animals running away from a monstrous suit of possessed armor and people put off by the silent monstrosity chasing down their dogs. YOU MUST DO THIS THING, HERE IS THE JUSTIFICATION HOW DARE YOU DO THIS THING? YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON FOR DOING THIS THING AND IT WAS NOT JUSTIFIED Moon does a much better job of this than most examples of "RPG trope subversion" but again, monsters being evil and a good guy killing them is not in need of subversion and never has been because it's easily, obviously, and logically explained with only a couple minutes' worth of though.
@CGoody564
@CGoody564 4 жыл бұрын
@@RoninCatholic again, mechanically it makes sense. I didn't argue otherwise (which is why your idea about things actively trying to kill you has nothing to do with what I said). But it doesn't make sense in absolutely any other way, and nothing you said changes that. It just demonstrates my point even further. The only reason you say otherwise is because it's a common trope; not because the trope makes sense generally. It doesn't. To say events are unnatural is just another assumption based on our actual existence, and has nothing to do with the the world of the game. You know nothing of what it natural or not unless the game specifically tells you as such.
@cremecreek7234
@cremecreek7234 4 жыл бұрын
Please bring back fandom files if you can! I love it and was how I found your channel. I’m glad I did, your content is amazing✨✨
@darkychao
@darkychao 4 жыл бұрын
the art-style and the concept reminds me a lot of Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland... hmmm... yep, a bunch of staff that worked on this also worked on a few games that VANPOOL made including the two Tingle games. play Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland edit: oh, several of them also worked on some Skip Ltd. games like Chibi-Robo I guess since they went on to make some of my favorite games of all time I'm legally obligated to play this game, then.
@retroprogamer7009
@retroprogamer7009 4 жыл бұрын
anyone else gets some Petscope vibes? As if they used the Engine or something like this from this Game. For some reason i have to think about it
@Ihrida
@Ihrida 4 жыл бұрын
You're only just finding out about battle network?! I remember it was everywhere as a kid, there was even a pretty popular anime!
@blackmambaforever3458
@blackmambaforever3458 4 жыл бұрын
When I saw Moon in the Nintendo eshop I was really interested, but now I'm sure that I'll buy it soon. Thank you for this video !✌👍
@simplythecat4068
@simplythecat4068 Жыл бұрын
Insert "Protagonist actually was in the coma this whole time" theory
@comradeplatinumacd829
@comradeplatinumacd829 4 жыл бұрын
For an upcoming Fandom Files, I'd like to see the Jojo community get brought up next
@DoodleWill
@DoodleWill 4 жыл бұрын
Also spoilers below but- I found out the way how to get LOVE from the old japanese man by myself and it felt so good.
@GamerTowerDX
@GamerTowerDX 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus,all roads leave to Toby Fox is it?
@OvermasterP
@OvermasterP 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is an incredible treat to learn about.
@devilishjester7718
@devilishjester7718 4 жыл бұрын
Megaman battle network is pretty good, looking forward to the video on it. I'm almost finished with mmbn6 though i abandoned mmbn4 relatively early
@Sara3346
@Sara3346 4 жыл бұрын
L.O.L and chulip, the other LDL projects I can recall are really interesting too!
@1BlueYoshi
@1BlueYoshi 4 жыл бұрын
The main character looks like Plok
@MZ_swag
@MZ_swag 4 жыл бұрын
I’m one of those “classic turn-based rpg” fans, but I think I’ll check this out. Seems cool.
@q-miiproductions878
@q-miiproductions878 Жыл бұрын
17:30 In-game, the legendary armor items are actually just underwear!
@cybunny25
@cybunny25 4 жыл бұрын
Megaman Battle Network!!! I love that series!
@milkboikun
@milkboikun 4 жыл бұрын
DRINKING WITH MONKEYS
@stuffedsomething1699
@stuffedsomething1699 4 жыл бұрын
24:36 I wish you the best of luck finding a copy of Battle Network OSS
@jb0258
@jb0258 4 жыл бұрын
Since we never got a western release, you can actually order a fan translated copy of the game. That's how I got mine and you can order the translated copy on eBay or Amazon for around $30 (cartridge only). From personal experience, I can honestly say the people that translated this game honestly did an outstanding job. You cannot tell at all that it was never released over here. When it comes to the actual translation, theres not a single grammar mistake when they converted the language to English. It's literally perfect from start to finish. BN: OSS is definitely the definitive way to experience the first game. Just make sure you have an original DS or DS Lite to play it on. As the game is still read as a Japanese cartridge, you HAVE to use one of the two DS' since they're not region locked
@stuffedsomething1699
@stuffedsomething1699 4 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I've got a signed copy that's a gem in my DS collection. I'm glad that it's got some english language repro carts floating around now, it would have been a shame if that never happened.
@vio1672
@vio1672 4 жыл бұрын
This looks so much like a tingle game
@Nathan-rb3qp
@Nathan-rb3qp 4 жыл бұрын
I used to have Chulip on my PS2 when I was little but it was way too confusing for my 8 year old mind.
@drawboxing
@drawboxing 2 жыл бұрын
Came from oddheader alternative ending video
@gingerale2689
@gingerale2689 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely hate that I’ve never heard of this game until last week
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