THE GEN6 PERFORMANCE GOLDWING BT MOTO ECU Flash Or Not ToFlash?

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@OleHorsefly 5 ай бұрын

I did the BT flash on my 23 about 5 weeks ago. I just got back from a 6500 mile trip pulling a Bushtec trailer and it was great to have the extra power and torque especially at high altitudes! I am very pleased and it is very noticeable. Money well spent for me! You can't have too much power!!

@richthereturnrider6737 5 ай бұрын

Glad to here that. I am so excited about it. Waiting to have my fuel pump changed out. It’s on order now. Thanks for watching and the info. Ride safe.

@nelsonwilliams1336 2 ай бұрын

Appreciate all of your content Rich… telling it like it is! I’ve rode sport bikes my entire life with no regrets… but as life goes on and grand kids allow you to see a different perspective on things, the straight through growls of a inline four crotch rocket at 173 mph on an open highway just doesn’t make sense! But the hum of my 2023 Honda Goldwing manual with Shark Road exhaust… Bru I am okay!

@richthereturnrider6737 2 ай бұрын

@@nelsonwilliams1336 Nice. The GW or The BMW sports touring seems to give you the best of both worlds. Thanks for watching.

@mustang32758 4 ай бұрын

I just bought a 2024 goldwing. I am in my mid 60's and still have a buch of sport bikes. This thing is pretty fast and is only limited in the cornering clearance and top speed limiter. My son was behind me on my zh2 supercharged bike and coming out of a round about I was able to twist the throttle all the way open and he had a little trouble catching me because the bike couldnt put the power down as fast as the goldwing could. He was very surprised how fast it could go through that corner. I also raced agsinst his built twin cam Harley limited that puts down 120hp to the wheel and he couldn't keep up.

@richthereturnrider6737 4 ай бұрын

@@mustang32758 God I love to hear that you are in your mid 60s and seem to be enjoying the performance of these bikes. Sound like you appreciate and agree that this is a sports performance touring bike and your son agrees also. Appreciate you watching and commenting. Ride safe.

@JoeGoeMotorcycleAdventures 5 ай бұрын

I gotta test ride one. I’ve been waiting for a demo day. I’m very intrigued by it! I want to ride anything with two wheels! Great video Rich!

@richthereturnrider6737 5 ай бұрын

@@JoeGoeMotorcycleAdventures definitely a intriguing experience Joe. I tried to get Cue to ride one when we were at Daytona. Thanks for watching brother. Ride safe.

@BootsandJeansRiders 5 ай бұрын

We were two of the youngest people in GWRRA and definitely the youngest chapter directors on the planet. Before we purchased our first wings, we also said it was an old-person bike. But, once we rode it...Oh well, we became old people too. lol. We have Gen 5 and love them.

@BootsandJeansRiders 5 ай бұрын

I don't think Gen 5 has a governor, because we both had ours up to 120, without realizing it. We were in Death Valley NP and at that speed , they were smooth as silk.

@tcatnat70 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. I have yet to see a negative comment on the BT-Moto tune. Most that I have seen that have done it say it was well worth the money, just do it. A friend of mine just did it on his 2018 manual and in the one test ride he did after the tune he called me and just said WOW, what a difference. Needless to say, I ordered one for my 2021 manual. Unfortunately, the ODB2 cables are on back order so who knows when I'll get it. Those that have done the tune say it's not just the top speed, but throttle response is much smoother, and Sport mode is no longer twitchy. I've owned two Harley's and did tunes on both of them. I'm an HP and torque junkie, give me as much as I can handle and afford. Great video.

@richthereturnrider6737 5 ай бұрын

@@tcatnat70 yeah! I don’t even care about the top speed but the throttle response is what I’m excited about. I’m also a hp junkie. If my wing can can fly. Lol. Thanks for watching and commenting.

@kellersteve9 Ай бұрын

I've been triple digits on motorcycles more than I have in cars. My 88 gl1500 is smooth as glass at 110mph

@richthereturnrider6737 Ай бұрын

nice. I bet as smooth as Tennessee whiskey. It’s definitely a solid bike.

@yavuzyilmaz_01 3 ай бұрын

23 DCT tour wing rider here. I’m seriously considering making a switch to harley. The reason is not about equipment provided standard or performance. it is about (1) ability to customise and make it unique and more importantly (2) fit me. Only 1 option to raise/move handlebars which costs arm and a leg. no option to move foot pegs either. Almost zero aftermarket parts here in UK. While you may need to spend quite a bit of money to do all that customisation on a Harley, you pay that money Honda up front - for their preferences, not riders. (Goldwing is around £32K and 24 model touring Harley £27K in UK ) While saying “Honda gives you everything you need” one should mention that price difference and the ease of customising the bike yourself as well.

@richthereturnrider6737 3 ай бұрын

Can’t disagree with the customization of the HD. Definitely more options than the Goldwing. Here in the US more shops. Making it yours is what it’s all about. I’m 5-10, if I was a tall rider would definitely consider a HD. Go for it. All of today’s bikes are awesome. Can’t go wrong.

@adamt581 4 ай бұрын

Wondering why Honda didn't unleash the power and usability makes me hesitant, were they having mechanical reliability issues and they dialed it back? I don't know and only they know. I guess we'll find out on the future when everyone is putting the milage.

@richthereturnrider6737 4 ай бұрын

No manufacturer gives you optimal performance. Regulations, emission standards restricts. They are certain vehicles that would not make it here in the US.

@robertwhitemoto 5 ай бұрын

A little adventure bike riding on the way out of your home today Rich ?!! All very great points! Many will be excited to get this tune and I can see the attraction. I guess I am that old man, plus I have so much that rely on me to be safe on this bike, and come home. I am one of those who think this amazing machine is plenty for my needs. When I need to accelerate , it certainly complies. Please don't get me wrong... I believe you won't hurt this bike by tuning it and if you need to get more out of this bike I applaud you and say YES, go for it. Rich thank you for all this awesome content! I'm gonna bring this up in this weekend's video. Ride Safe Sir !!!

@richthereturnrider6737 5 ай бұрын

Agree with you my brother Robert. We risk a lot when we throw our legs over these beautiful and beastly machines but at the end of the day they are performance machines. The restrictions doesn’t minimize the dangers of them. How and what we chose to do with them is what the bigger concern is. None of us that ride motorcycles are risk adverse. We take calculated risks once we ride. I am a performance guy but do try to minimize the risk as much as possible. This is a multi purpose motorcycle and I believe is great for all ages as the other brands. I applaud you for enjoying it for what it is but it offers a lot more to so many more.

@roadglide 5 ай бұрын

Rich you are poetry in motion. Passion filled. When you get a hold of something you break it down. Analyze, theorize, rationalize and soon it will materialize. You are so right about performance is the hallmark of Honda Gold Wing. This newest generation is absolutely a Sport Tourer! Things evolve and improve as humans seek to improve and not settle for mere base line performances. These humans separate the wheat from the chaff. The nectar from the fruit. This is where the sweetness lives. No limits. Reach for it Rich. Reset that performance bar. Enjoy the process. I do. Products improve as a result and the community gains something from these achievements. Best to you & Lorna.

@richthereturnrider6737 5 ай бұрын

Talking about poetry in motion, that’s you RG. Way to break it down. Honda makes performance, from formula one to Indy cars to Moto gp. They set the benchmark in performance and reliability. The Goldwing is no different. The gold standard, the gold medalist of the Sports Touring world an d I am now on board. No more mention of those other brands. Enjoying the full capabilities of this machine is my mission. Both Lorna and I thank you brother. Ride safe.

@roadglide 5 ай бұрын

@@richthereturnrider6737 100%!

@davidbrayshaw3529 5 ай бұрын

While your first reaction might be to laugh, my Kawasaki W800 has something in common with your GoldWing (my dream bike!). Unfortunately, that commonality is the absence of aftermarket tuning parts. I shouldn't say unfortunately, because in a number of ways, it's actually a very good thing. The two things that I can get for my bike, easily, is an aftermarket exhaust system and a power commander with a custom tune. I investigated this and decided not to proceed. I'm taking the time here to explain why as it's something that you might want to be aware of (or not) when considering a tune as an option for your bike. There is no doubt about it, the tune for the W800 flattened out the power and torque curve of the bike and it added a couple of bhp. and a couple of ft.lbs. of torque all the way through the curve. And high up in the rev range, it piled on the power and the torque. All good things, you'd have to say, and I would agree. So why didn't I follow through? Firstly, I rarely venture into the upper rev range of the bike and when I do, it's mainly downshifting for more engine braking and occasional overtaking, but for the roads that I ride on, the latter isn't much of a consideration. Secondly. While the tune on the W800 flattens out the torque curve, would I ever notice it. The torque curve is already a work of art from a tuning perspective. There just aren't any perceptible "hiccups". And it's only picking me up 2 or 3 horsepower throughout the rev range that I typically ride in...2k-5.5k. Thirdly. It was all going to cost a lot of money. I'm in Australia so I'll convert for US dollars. My bike cost about $5,500 US. A set of pipes, which aren't easy to come by, the tuner and time at a tuning shop was going to add another $2k UD to that. That's about $1000 per hp, the way I operate the bike. If it were a third of that cost, I would have gone there, but it wasn't. This all brings me to my ultimate point. Squiggly lines on a piece of paper or a computer monitor can be scaled in such a fashion that barely perceptible gains look much bigger than they are. I'm not suggesting that this is deliberate, but it's something to be aware of. Read the numbers, don't look at the lines. Everybody only looks at the lines! Be the one that looks at the numbers and interpret them as how they will most likely relate to your riding style. At the end of the day, your tuning man is a seller. You're the customer. Caveat Emptor. I've just proof read my post and I can see that it would be easy to interpret as being negative toward the tune. Don't take it as that at all! I'm just trying to encourage you to think outside the box and with a bit better perspective. Hopefully a tune can add a lot to your bike. Best wishes and good luck from Down Under.

@richthereturnrider6737 5 ай бұрын

Great stuff and fully appreciate your perspective. In your case and at that cost I to wouldn’t do it. The dyno shop that I intend to use is local with no skin in the game. $75 dollars just to peak my curiosity on the numbers. I am aware that doing the pre and post on different day with different conditions can skew the numbers but oh well. Hopefully a shop that isn’t affiliated with BT MOTO would not manipulate the numbers. Great stuff. Thanks for watching and that insightful comment. Ride safe.

@davidbrayshaw3529 5 ай бұрын

@@richthereturnrider6737 I'm looking forward to seeing how it works out for you. As I stated, you're riding my dream bike, albeit with a manual transmission. Presumably that's to help you keep in touch with how the poor people live.

@painsrides 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the shout-out Rich 😉 I'm 56 years old and a hard rider on or off-road... I use this this gen6 Wing for touring with my wife and an occasional solo rip. The majority of my road routes are on the back and secondary roads, I actually dislike highway riding and stay off them as much as possible. So I use the Wing exactly like a "sport-tourer" and its fantastic in this role comfortable, nimble and powerful. That said, the BT Moto flash as totally enhanced my riding experience on the Goldwing. The bike responds better, is smoother on and off the throttle and has more power over the full(expanded) rpm range. I run in Tour mode 95% of my riding because it works so well. Sport mode is just a hoot now, its not the jerky, unusable, chassis upsetting mess it was stock, BT Moto's tune unleashed the full aggressiveness of the engine without ruining the Wing's ride-ability😎. I was on tour at the end of June in those 100+ degree temps fully loaded with my wife aboard, we rode 2200 miles, the Wing never flinched or missed a beat. I got 42-43mpg riding hard and passing a lot😁 For me I don't care what dyno #'s are, I'm only concerned with how the bike runs and feels. There is no doubt a BT Moto tuned Goldwing is far better optimized vs. stock. Whoa! that's a lot of blabbing ..,🤣but you got a free preview of my final review video. Well I've got to go I'm dropping the Wing off for the fuel pump recall this morning.

@richthereturnrider6737 5 ай бұрын

Your welcome my friend. Through Big Smitty video I found your review and it definitely help me to make the choice to do it. Not having to change exhaust and intake with filters is a big deal. Honda make performance And optimizing the performance of this cool bike is exciting. I’m also a spirited rider at times and this bike provides it. My wife also adores it. Thanks much for your review and ride safe.

@painsrides 5 ай бұрын

@@richthereturnrider6737 .... If it makes you feel any better your video got me on to the EGG exhaust. I was set to buy until I found out the batch didn't fit 😐 .. Essentially you are going to cost me $2300, while I'm only costing you $800. Somehow I feel like you owe me....... 🤣😂

@richthereturnrider6737 5 ай бұрын

@@painsrides it’s all good.

@frankward8003 2 ай бұрын

The GL1800 isn't a sport touring machine, but it is a sporty looking touring machine that handles very well for what it is...but ride a old 20 year old Honda ST1300 and its clear this GL1800 isn't no sport touring machine...the ST1300 will easily walk away from the GL1800 on any twisty road..will easily walk away from the GL1800 in any drag race. What the GL1800 offer is better ergonomics, better wind management, more comfort, more luxury..love my 2018 for what it is...a sporty touring machine that is fun to ride on twisty roads, while offering luxury and comfort for the 900 mile days.

@richthereturnrider6737 2 ай бұрын

@@frankward8003 Great info. I need to check out the ST 1300. Wow I think you nailed that down. Thanks for that. Thanks for watching.

@richthereturnrider6737 5 ай бұрын

The gen5 look like it would sit down at high speeds more comfortably than most. The suggestion that this bike is unstable at over 100 mph was a trigger for me. I don’t encourage high speeds but it was smooth as butter. I met you guys, you both are Spring Chickens but most lmportant, kids at heart. Be safe on your travels guys. Thanks for watching.

@motorider4130 5 ай бұрын

Hey Rich..great video. I just installed the tune a couple of days ago and in my opinion -lol - it is well worth the investment. Totally wakes the bike up and is a completely different ride.

@richthereturnrider6737 5 ай бұрын

Thanks. Appreciate it. Love all of the encouraging comments on this product. Definitely doing it, thanks for watching and commenting.

@alp3781 5 ай бұрын

I saw the website and came to conclusion, its not for me. Not worth it to me. I love the Tour Mode and use it daily, ECO in city riding and I am IN LOVE with the Sport Mode on open large HWYs. The power is way enough for a pure touring bike as the wing. Everyone must remember, this bike is NOT a sport bike. Its designed by Honda to perform AS a Touring machine. Thank you for this video.

@richthereturnrider6737 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching and understand it’s not for everyone. It’s a multipurpose motorcycle. For you it’s a touring motorcycle but I believe Honda meant it to be a Sports Touring motorcycle. The slim down lighter, quicker, less luggage and fueling carrying capacity emphasize to me that sports was a big consideration. My spirited test ride in Daytona from a dealership seems to also emphasize the performance of this machine above the competition. Thanks for watching and ride safe.