The Gender Spectrum and Being A Sex Symbol with E.R. Fightmaster

[@anikarahman193]

Every time shannon is self deprecating and ERF gives the KINDEST SOFTEST words of validation 😢🥺

[@olgasar.]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN WITH E.R. FIGHTMASTER? Shan you are doing the lord's work

[@cowboyjicjac]

My exact reaction

[@MatthewArangatta]

I died inside seeing E.R. on this podcast. I loved them on Grey's and their music is great! I never knew they did work before in Chicago. Wish I had known about them back then!

[@natrattyy]

I'm quite literally taking notes every time E.R. Fightmaster talks

[@DevilDears]

E.R. needs their own podcast! I could listen to them for hours not just because of their pleasant voice but because there’s so much substance in what they’re sharing!

[@MeditationsWithSam]

they have one called "Jockular"

[@editsbybee7337]

They’re so well spoken like everything e.r says it just is like yes yes yes you put my exact thoughts into words

[@brandy_cole]

As a 40-something lesbian who's been out for 15 years, this was a great episode. E.R. Fightmaster has truly made me see things that have been confusing me for a long time. I see myself in this. Thank you so much for this. You two have no idea how much this helped me.

[@McCanada]

Any conversation with E.R. I’m sat 🪑

[@nowthisisliving]

same

[@jodiemartin7203]

So. Out (shy) lesbian (30 years) here. From UK. Love these guys. SB still makes me lose my words just looking at her - but the wisdom flowing from ERF was just fascinating and humbling. Gender studies is something I could listen to for a serious length of time. Thanks guys! Great episode

[@Sarah22456]

Oh my god they are SO unbelievably well spoken

[@anikarahman193]

ER Fightmaster truly has a unique energy and personality. They are insightful yet approachable. They are so cool and witty and well-spoken. And they have this warm, nurturing energy that makes u feel safe and cared for. 😘

[@marirb-qq]

Ohh I love this! Thank you Shannon for giving queer people the chance to see such interesting conversations with your podcast! I loved the talk about gender. When I realized I was a lesbian I started dressing more masculine because I wanted girls to notice me at parties and stuff, but I've never really felt comfortable being too masc. Nowdays I'm redescovering my gender expression and being way more feminine and that makes me feel soo much better, more confident and more beautiful and attractive as well. It's such a journey for everyone and I feel like the community as a whole needs to talk more about gender expression cause I feel we do experience it differently from straigh people. Thank you for this!

[@debbiebeveridge1883]

I love seeing all of your guests! I learn something new with every episode. You’re doing great! Love you! I’ll see you soon.❤

[@lisacorr]

The more I listen to you, the more I realise how similar we are and I'm so happy you are so good at putting into words what I usually can't. It feels good to know there are more people like me

[@autumnrose3829]

41:23 someone was able to finally articulate what I’ve never been able to say out loud before. This episode was so validating for my boundaries and feelings❤

[@JenniferBonacina]

Watched this episode only now. You two never disappoint. Great one, Shannon 🤍

[@ROCKONplaceboforever]

E.R is amazing they made me realize i was non binary this episode was amazing loved it so much ❤🏳️‍🌈👏👏👏

[@naiamellie]

My idea for the WLW dating show: make it a regional separation, not a gender one. NY versus Cali Gals. Makes it more fascinating and starts a conversation rather than calling out individuals for such a personal attatchement like gender identity. Kinda like TRHW franchise, but you can separate the women by region, all on one dating show. I want to see this SO bad. Could you imagine.

[@lucreziapinzi427]

This is going to be my favorite ever podcast episode

[@SarahGreenawalt-dk1uc]

Could not wait for this combo!!! Amazing interview. ❤

[@kaseytwyman860]

Literally the best podcast episode I've listened to you, i could listen to ER for dayssssss

[@hayleynugent7710]

Best episode yet, super thoughtful questions and convos!!!

[@Te4chhh]

Just finished reading Last Night at the Telegraph Club. Highly, highly recommend!

[@Hannah-ym3qv]

I knew someone was going to mention this i loved the book

[@kirajai4774]

Such an enjoyable conversation 😊🥰

[@v1kasaurus]

"had to download it on limewire" "ruined my whole fucking computer" 👌😂

[@C4SS865]

Shannon how do you know ER! This was such a good episode. ER is so funny. This episode was chef’s kiss!

[@DannyKellzz]

This is the first I’ve heard of ERF and they definitely are like someone I’m going to enjoying looking up to in the media eye. I’m excited for this non binary representation🎉

[@Ferx68]

Take a shot every time someone says Dallas!😆 great episode!

[@cel.2263]

so nice to see ER here! and very happy for them and Caterina. so happy that they got together after Grey

[@whitmc1550]

just finishing up Caster Semenya's book "The Race to be Myself"..definitely worth the read!

[@WritingRN2]

OMG, I absolutely DEVOURED this episode. E.R. is amazing! They are SO insightful. My god, I LOVE the way they think. I hope you are friends now because your banter with each other was wonderful. Wow. And I now want to watch Grey's Anatomy JUST for E.R. Also, they are absolutely right about you being a person full of light and kindness. Glad the world gets to experience it. And glad to have people like E.R. in the world too.❤✨️🙌🏽

[@selenaprima3354]

Awesome chat! The convo flowed super well and very interesting.

[@ALIEN3966D]

i love listening to your podcast Shannon 😁👍

[@angiebbb]

Greetings from a Venezuelan living in Argentina! I'm not American, but I'm so grateful to be bilingual and have the opportunity to listen to these incredible podcasts. Xoxo

[@v0mit4br4ins]

i hate to only talk about ERF's role on grey's anatomy, but as a person who came out as nonbinary before there was really any representation in media for us, i was pleasantly surprised by grey's anatomy's portrayal. i loved that they didn't make it into a big deal, and focused on the character's achievements and medical expertise rather than their gender identity or sexual orientation. i also loved callie and arizona's relationship because it showed queer relationships in a light that felt just as normal and real as straight relationships. queer relationships have fights, hard times, infidelity, toxicity, etc., along with all the good stuff.

[@caren-louise4682]

omg e.r and talking about sunburn at the start of the episode!!!! sunburn was one of my favourite reads from this year i need to talk to people about it !!! also obsessed with greys anatomy atm so very excited for e.r. to be the guest !!

[@HeatherWright-c8z]

Simply the best pod cast on u tube ❤❤❤❤

[@areliandino3700]

Shannon has gotten so much better at podcasting and interviewing. Great convo. Learned a lot.

[@ambersjourneysinlife]

I'm reading Hayley Kiyoko's book called Girls like Girls, and it's one of the most authentic representations on navigating coming out and feelings/relationships.

[@bruadarach9758]

I adored that book

[@ambersjourneysinlife]

@bruadarach9758 it's so amazing, the amount of anxious energy in it is so real.

[@Sarahhedger]

Not them forgetting Dr Erica Hahn 😂

[@Fleetato]

does shannon know about the LGBTQ season of Are You The One? A lot of the suggestions people had about an all lesbian love is blind reminded me of that

[@lindac90]

Probably one of the best episodes, definitely one of my favourites! Well done Shannon 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Jordan-jag06]

32:45 you know how sometimes ppl say they think taylor swift is in their head bc of the songs she writes that perfectly describe situations? sometimes that’s how I feel about you on these episodes shan !! if we ever cross paths irl, I fear we could yap for days

[@kristendanks2964]

literally paused at 32:47 because i was in shock. I couldn’t believe ANYONE else felt this same way, then I come to the comments… this is why representation is so important. shannon, you’re out here making people feel so seen 🥺

[@Jordan-jag06]

@@kristendanks2964 right!? I will say this is the only queer content I regularly tune into and I don’t have many queer friends so maybe there’s more stuff like this out there but THIS is where I’m seeing conversations that I don’t see anywhere else. glad this podcast exists and glad that I stumbled upon it earlier this year even though it has made me have realizations about myself that I was not ready to face lol.

[@Kaitpx923]

@15:15… I’m screaming ERICA HAHN

[@anikarahman193]

55:37 "we love that boy" lol yes dr. amelia is beloved ❤️ My fav character other than Lexi Grey (RIP sis). Would also love to see Adelaide Kane on the pod! She did the scrubbing in podcast at a fan convention recently so she might be open to them and loves talking about authentic bi representation.

[@marirb-qq]

Yesss Adelaide Kane would be great!!

[@alyssawilliams659]

MY FAVORITE QUEER READ IS OUTDRAWN!! I loved it so much!!

[@kaitlynhatch-yd4fr]

Loved this one! It felt like the hour was over way too soon.

[@gracey95]

This.Was.So.Good 🥹 P.s Shan your hair looked cute don’t stress we love a messy bun

[@tilly3568]

shan thank you bringing the best guest on fr... also watch I kissed a girl that was all sapphic and i think they did a pretty good job!

[@gracey95]

Omg if they ever do a US version they needed Shannon as host

[@chloes228]

Yessssss long live E.R. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🙏🏿

[@jennaloz6208]

This is my favorite duo -- worlds colliding!

[@tianagarcia2795]

Book recs!! The book of doors!! 10 ⭐️ The ministry of time!! Also 10 ⭐️

[@anacarolinacosta5671]

One of the best episodes so far ❤

[@Laurenmattiace]

ER at 39 minutes 🤲👏🏽👏🏽

[@emilyplumlee]

ugh waking up to this was the best present on this wednesday morning .

[@MargaretAlbright-b7c]

Same here, awesome🌈

[@NE8675309]

46:00. E. R. Spitting straight facts! 🔥 💯

[@jadecarpenter8221]

This is the best podcast I’ve seen, really insightful from both parties

[@OyinkansolaAjanaku-c7q]

Has E.R. Fightmaster read Female Masculinity? Would love their thoughts

[@ashleyjones8297]

Coming out of the closet to date the meanest person ever is so fucking real. WHY is this our story?! 💔

[@rosiefrances]

fuuuuuuuudge! How did I not know that the mean girl first girlfriend thing is a trope! Damn. It would have been lovely to go to the island for 4 years of relaxing, learning, waves, giggles and tears. Return to society fully actualised, instead we dodge bullets on the battlefield of growth vs societal comprehension whilst simultaneously nursing your own trauma wounds. Whelp. Fun, fun, fun xx

[@naomigates6930]

THIS EPISODE, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!

[@gracebloome]

I’m growing out my hair and it’s like inches shorter than Shannon’s sooo COUNT YA BLESSINGS

[@GraceAshlynnArts]

I love these conversations about gender spectrum so much 💛 I’d love to see some more representation of non binary people who are femme presenting 🌈

[@tiannamccarthy3655]

Just saw this person for the first time on your TikTok. Came here & immediately liked it bc I know it’s gunna hit

[@suzanirau2470]

Nice, she was great on gray's anatomy. When the furniture arrives, we will move in with you 😊

[@simodn28]

I don’t believe that everything gets exactly progressively better, it’s more like cycles in between the bigger exponential line. For example, my dad who’s 74 years old tells me that when he was young in the 70s, when men started to let their hair grow and stuff like that, it was actually a lot happier and simpler than today. He said he had girl friends, boy friends, some of them queer, and nobody cared about it. He says the generation before his, and the one after are more judgemental. Edit: I saw you kind of mentioned this later. Of course because of people being complacent but also because the people who don’t agree get like triggered

[@SO-sd5tg]

Shannon, "When the World Tips Over " is a must read!! All the feels, amazing writing, queer characters, beautiful story.

[@mistierr]

this is the crossover of the fucking century

[@MargaretAlbright-b7c]

Yes!!🌈🔥

[@FuriousDinosaur123]

Both absolute ICONS

[@buuh7592]

I just need to know what hair products ERF uses, does anyone know? Their hair is always on point

[@kirajai4774]

A queer island? Like queer love island without cameras? Yes please, sign me uuuup!

[@cirizarry5433]

For a second, i thought this was Hila from H3H3

[@smoothinfldr6994]

I just got through season 18 of grey’s anatomy! They were soooo good!

[@adri7124]

Millennial mom here and I'm proud to say im doing my absolute best to raise an empathetic boy into an emotional responsible man for the betterment of society 🙂‍↕🙂‍↕

[@annawatkins2161]

Funny to see someone genuinely make our host kinda nervous... ha E.R. has a way about them.

[@sabbby100]

I don't want to come off rude. What was e.r thought process to come up with the name e.r fight master its a pretty cool name.

[@emilyclaire77]

Best episode yet..FYI

[@rachelgarastik8450]

julien and er doing a show together? i'm already at the venue waiting.

[@LillieFiori]

They are so incredibly intelligent and beautiful. Kind of in awe of them

[@margauxxxxx]

Unpopular opinion : your hair slays like this

[@Val-r7p]

That Ted Cruz part was so correct but funny af in a scary way.

[@anikarahman193]

This was a great interview of topics. ERF said it perfect that we can have empathy for how men have been molded by society while still expecting them to step up and put in the labor. Both Ted Cruz and Lindsay Graham do give ugly entitled loser energy. The push and pull and shifts in social progress as a society can be seen throughout history for sure. I think ER did a good job of validating shan about gender and hair length, and answering questions thoughtfully.

[@sydward8507]

What a great conversation

[@coachholly21]

"BONJOUR!"

[@ClaireWedgeworth]

*I'd love Shannon to do a dedicated pod about her ADHD, so many successful people in the industry have it. She must have so many inspiring and crazy stories 🙌❤*

[@SaraxAdam]

To be fair to your self-assessment that you would be fine if born in either body, my dad, brother, and mom all said something similar during a conversation about gender I once had with them. And they're a bunch of straights. Some people are just not that fussed.

[@zapzapzap6]

er fightmaser, watching you made me so happy i cried thank you🏳️‍⚧️

[@tabethadelgado8054]

😂😂😂 the island 🎉🎉

[@hotwateronwool]

How have I been subscribed to u and not seen any vids of urs in YEARS

[@shreeyanshigagrani6331]

Callie and Erica Hart

[@Anonymous-9og]

Great interview with a wonderfully intelligent human...especially the part where she spoke of not all of your friends looking like you. I've felt so alone in that feeling... A welcome surprise, because I've never even watched "Grey's Anatomy"...🔆 Can you get Emma D'Arcy, next, perhaps?

[@Craazycool1]

They’re only 32?! I thought ER was at least 38-40

[@JustMusic75]

Time stamps going forward please - when the actual interview starts.

[@VladimirLesbian420]

“Everyone’s seen greys anatomy” lolll except me 😂 I’ve never watched a single episode and don’t know a single character

[@nicoletteneumann8041]

Wow I love your work 💚. P.S. Read anything Emily Maroutian 🤩. She has an enchanting mind.

[@Herrera1800]

It sure if you have read this book yet but the book: Where the Crawdads Sing. Very great.

[@moordt]

Hahaha, way before Shannon asked to be friends, I thought they should be friends. I hope you keep in touch. You seem to match very well. Great podcast because of it. Also, right after the podcast I got a very gendered, pink doll, oh you are such a great mother (to a toddler), add. Which I thought to be funny considering. Anyway, thanks for this conversation, I got a lot out of it. Lots of love, Marieke

[@Julie_ao]

I love e.r❤❤❤❤❤

[@taylork2559]

somehow left this episode gayer

[@WISH2025]

cant wait for your new bed

[@bumper-t3c]

Two holy beings

[@rNeyshabur]

ADHD is curable! I was diagnosed with ADHD but learned this year that the root cause of it is poor metabolic health and we can actually cure that by replacing the ultra processed food we eat with real whole foods, and other things like improving our circadian rhythms and sun exposure/vitamin D (which fun fact isnt actually a vitamin, it’s a hormone!)

[@DevilDears]

The symptoms are manageable and can be improved with these things but ADHD is a neurodivergence, meaning the brain is actually working differently/ is differently structured. Young children’s brains can still “route the neurotypical way” if given meds early enough while their brain still develops but it doesn’t normally happen like this for adults. At least that’s what the current science says. I’d also caution against treating ADHD like something to get rid of in general. There are upsides to it as well and I personally wouldn’t try to “cure” my ADHD entirely - even if that was possible.