The Genius Motive for Replacing Clones with Stormtroopers [Canon] - The Bad Batch Explained

[@TheLoreMasterYT]

Let me know if your views changed on this topic after watching the video, since I know most fans think keeping the Clones would've been better. If you have any counter arguments, feel free to include them and if I find any that are interesting/compelling enough, I may make another video going over them!

[@neilhannan5112]

I like it As long as you are making videos like this

[@StuartLugsden]

Nice to have you back Lore Master.

[@obviouslysub-dude9082]

Keeping the clones would be a mistake since most of them are realizing what they did was wrong. They would rebel against the Empire, save a few thousand who are willing to keep fighting and _do what they do_ even if it means losing their individuality.

[@obviouslysub-dude9082]

I haven’t seen any evidence besides "The Senate” claiming the Jedi betrayed the Republic. They knew destroying their home was wrong. Palpatine will surely turn them against one-another or whatever it takes to kill as many as he can.

[@marianofloris7292]

I never thought about it like that but I would have continued the production of Jango Fett clones but on a smaller scale

[@TetsuShima]

Replacing the clones with stormtroopers gave job to billions of being across the galaxy, including good man Gary. Damn, that guy was so reliable. Hope he and his family are still ok...

[@user-Jay178]

Same hope Gary and his family are okay.

[@bubblegunsoldier7484]

he even reduced unemployment to 0% in alderaan, truley a man of the people.

[@Frankenbutt99]

Loves his daughter Flies the Death Star Has Darth Vader’s respect A true hero of the Empire

[@tubby1833]

Gary’s daughter is Captain Phasma confirmed.

[@TetsuShima]

@@tubby1833 Then what a humiliating fate for the daughter of the best stormtrooper of the Galaxy

[@tubby1833]

It’s interesting because having the citizens of the Empire police themselves was simultaneously a strength and a weakness. Like how in Legends, the guy who operated the Death Star laser purposely stalled firing during the Battle of Yavan. He did this because he was riddled with guilt from killing everyone on Alderaanm going so far as to label himself the biggest mass murderer in the galaxy. If that guy had been a clone, he probably wouldn’t have hesitated and the rebellion may have ended then and there.

[@Jeffthecreepyastafan]

i agree while the emperor was able to use this to control the people,he underestimated that some people still choice to not fully obey if not outright desert and join the rebllion from both Alderaan and the first death stars destruction. if they where all clones they might not have been such desertions and defections to join the rebeles

[@Rocket_Ninja]

even Clones can have feelings, Rex resisted to Order 66 with sheer amount of will

[@Jeffthecreepyastafan]

@@Rocket_Ninja sure but he was shaped with experiences with people that allowed him to grow plus he was made to be a bit more independent then normal clones. would it have been the same had he been placed with more distant or neutral jed

[@haroldcruz8550]

The Empire didn't anticipate that a full blow Rebellion would be possible.

[@Jeffthecreepyastafan]

@@haroldcruz8550 true that was the point after the clone wars no one would expect there to be another war in 19-20 years time

[@neofulcrum5013]

“These recruits come from all over the galaxy and swear loyalty to the empire. They’re not as skilled, but there’s an endless supply of them”- Clone Commando Gregor

[@rapatacush3]

Not as skilled, sumbitches couldnt even kill teddy bears with stick and stones

[@eugenestevenkong9430]

In other words, quantity over quality.

[@normalplayer7377]

I prefer what the Empire did in Legends. Slowly phase out Clones with smaller orders while increasing Human recruitment, but maintaining large clone battalions.

[@TY-km8hj]

Same, it's acc very stupid to just decommission the clones immediately without anything set up. Its just a plain waste of assets. Like in the same bb ep they talk about insurgents in the outer rim which could've been dealt with by the clones whilst regular troops are introduced as the police force and get to be a symbol for the common ppl. Nothing about phasing out the clones, especially as early in the empires reign as this makes sense really. Like we also see there's gonna be a possible clone rebellion, onr caused by the empire cos they chose not to accommodate or appease the literal bred for war soldiers they abandoned. Its just dumb in my eyes and is another useless deviation from how things were in legends, uno when it made sense.

[@grand_max66]

@@TY-km8hj From what I got from the episode was that the Empire was decommissioning the "Clone Army" to make way for the "Imperial Stormtrooper" that the still enlisted Clone Troopers would be rolled into. After all we see in plenty of other Canon material that Stormtroopers still used Clone Trooper armour till around 1-2 years after ROTF and Clones were shown to still be in-service till at least ANH. The episode and show as a whole just has this weird thing of trying to explain several ideas at once but getting things jumbled up. Like how the show sometimes makes it seem like the Empire is going to fire all the clones on the spot, or how Rex's comments on the Clone Assassin were probably more symbolic but now you have theories like it was the start of the Phase 0 Dark Troopers.

[@RedSun446]

@@TY-km8hj yes

[@TY-km8hj]

@@grand_max66 the lack transparency on whats happening is a failing on the writers which haven't been all that great to begin with anyway. Tho the scene with senator tuchi and the clones shows kinda clearly that they're being phased out entirely a d oretty soon, she literally says along the lines of u can be whatever u wanna be and a clone replies with "we weren't made to think about what happens after the war" so it seems they're being completely pushed out, which like I said is stupid on so many levels. Also im pretty sure there isnt any material showng clones in service near anh. The latest i can think of is andor depending when the flashback scene with his adoptive father tales place and we know from the 2017 vader comics the last batch were turned into purge troopers yet that also couldve chamged cos of events in the comic run. It's getting quite annoying having to do mental gymnastics to understand something that should be simple in the lore just cos the writers can't do their jobs properly. I dont think it will be what happening, but i like the idea of clones being phase 0 dark troopers as that was why u had the ones in the original star wars battlefront game and makes sense that the empire would utilise their best soldiers who are ageing.

[@randeli7785]

@@TY-km8hj In the canon book "Another Point of View", one of the Stormtroopers that stopped Luke and Obi-Wan for inspection was a Clone, and some other story that I don't remember much had a Imperial Clone helping someone trying to arrest Han, but Lucasfilm tends to retcon book lore so who knows if they're still canon.

[@nate_orious0002]

Seeing Palpatines manipulation of the Galactic Senate in the Empires early years is truly horrifying.

[@arveduilastking546]

"I am the senate!"

[@ryno_8848]

@@arveduilastking546 not yet

[@TheWarmachine375]

Echo: "These troopers. What do you mean "our replacements"?..." Gregor: "Well we're soldiers of a Republic that doesn't exist. These men and women come from all over the galaxy to swear loyalty to the Empire. They're not as skilled but there's endless supply of them." Hunter: "Numbers aren't everything."

[@orainefoster8316]

I think we can all agree that Palpy's speech in episode 8 was one of his best moments in the entire franchise. The way he finessed that situation was infuriating and awe inspiring, exactly what how we should feel about his tactical skillset. I swear, Palpatine was so much more interesting and truly cemented himself as one of cinemas top villians with the prequel trilogy and the animated series.

[@CyberSonic-V3.0]

You could honestly have a balance between the two armies. Use Clones for more elite operations and have recruits for occupation.

[@thankskanye1521]

Perfectly said.

[@bouncin2207]

That was sort of the case in Legends.

[@attilafekete7892]

Thats how it is, just with non clones. Elite stormtroopers and imperial arny troopers

[@shallows529]

Basically what happened in the third episode of bad batch.

[@dimitris2936]

Stormtroopers and clones have been stated to be equal for fucks sake.

[@elmaster48]

I think there is also the fact that many military aged people and former members of militias are better up joining the empire than recruited by a possible rebel group. Luke for example states that he hates the empire, yet he wanted to join the empire. If the empire was still made up of clones then the rebels would have easier to recruit him, isn’t difficult to see that many people shared his mindset but they ended up being recruited or even drafted into the imperial army. If the imperial army was made up of clones then it would be a huge number of young people, many of them could get potentially recruited into the rebel alliance. The empire recruiting them instead removed a lot of potential rebel soldiers from the picture.

[@TheLoreMasterYT]

That's a great point!

[@TY-km8hj]

Pretty good point but doesn't really matter when it's possible to have both clones amd regular troops as we saw in legends

[@HolyknightVader999]

You also get an endless supply of cannon fodder while providing jobs for trillions of people. Everyone wins.

[@vitorpereira9515]

Thrawn used clones in his campaign against the new republic. He used the genetic material of the best officers in the empire. His clone army gained many battles.

[@biggsdarklighter0473]

They were Spartii-Clones though and had a much shorter production time, thanks to Ysalamiri, and thanks to Ysalamiri had way less defects as comparable clones.

[@vitorpereira9515]

@@biggsdarklighter0473 Thrawn created a more efficient cloning process than the Kaminoans.

[@TY-km8hj]

@@vitorpereira9515 time efficient yes, but not as combat efficient. Kaminoans were masters of their craft and created the best soldiers in the galaxy

[@vitorpereira9515]

@@TY-km8hj If true, the Kaminoan revolt would have been a success.

[@TY-km8hj]

@@vitorpereira9515 the kaminoan revolt failed cos they were up against the 501st legion, one of the best clone legions in the Republic, one of the best in the emtire empire, and against a force that had acc fought and understood war. Its acc quote silly u wrote that given the kaminaon revolt fought against *gasp* kaminaon made soldiers who seved the empire. The kaminaon revolts clones were merely a fighting force with no substantial navy and only form of combat would've been simulations. Ur trying to conflate 2 different situations to make thrawn seems superior for whatever reason. If I remember right thrawns troops had to have memory flashes for their training which is an inferior training method used to quickly train up troops with little resourcesused, tho I could be remembering wrong

[@Rocket_Ninja]

I still prefer the Legends explanation of replacing Clones with Stormtroopers when Kamino tried to rebel against the Empire rather than the Canon which only say "too expensive" despite the fact they can build 2 Death Stars however I like the explaination you gave regarding the reasons of replacing the clones Its make more sense than the "too expensive" reason given in canon

[@darkjediknight2923]

So do I. Continued orders of clones (clone stormtroopers) ordered in conjunction with recruitment. This was noted in "Dark Lord - Rise of Darth Vader". Indeed Emperor Palpatine informs the Loyalist Council that the Empire must be protected and consolidated. Fresh large orders are made for yet more clone stormtroopers to be grown on Kamino whilst other cloning facilities will be built throughout the galaxy. This would be done in combination with Recruitment and training of officers to replace the "traitorous Jedi Generals" at galaxy wide Imperial Academies. If Kamino tries to rebel, they can just be directly taken over by the Imperial government.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Palpatine after Rampart gets scapegoated and his bill for Stormtroopers get passed: "All according to keikaku."

[@jibril2473]

I think whether it was a good idea or not depends on one’s point of view. In the end Palpatine gave into his overconfidence in the illusion of power and security by replacing clones with regular humans and near-humans.

[@taiwandxt6493]

Yeah you can make that argument however I think it can really only depend on your point of view if you look at it purely from a war perspective. In War, you typically want an army that contains a balance between combat effectiveness and replaceability/numbers, which is what continuing the clone production on Kamino would've provided, with the added benefit of the clones being far superior. But fighting a war wasn't the only thing on the Empire and Palpatine's agenda, as stated in the video. Palpatine's number one priority was consolidating their power and ruling the galaxy, and he needed the support of the people to do that. Opening up recruitment to the military would've gained his support across much of the impoverished, working class of the galaxy which better allowed him to gain that support, even if he had not indoctrinated any of the Stormtroopers. Those stormtroopers would've stayed loyal to him whether they're brainwashed or not because the Empire puts food on their table and gave better and more numerous career prospects. I think keeping the clones as the primary backbone of the Imperial Military probably would've sped up the Rebel Alliance's expansion and organization the same way many communist organizations in our world gained support throughout the 20th century. If Palpatine didn't gain the support of the peasantry, his opponents would've first.

[@EagleFangBasketball22]

Actually, the Empire is strictly recruiting regular humans as part of replacing clones. The near-humans like Thrawn are extremely rare in the military.

[@NoNuzNov]

"Its not about the money, Its about sending a message" - Palpatine

[@ryankwon8785]

This reminds me of how Sauron favors the Easterlings and the Haradrim (willing servants) when it comes to occupying lands over orcs (unwilling, tormented servants).

[@user-Jay178]

Palpatine manipulation and his planning is amazing, too bad in the future he gets too overconfident.

[@KENSHIROez3260]

That explain why he become too overconfident, because most of his past plan work perfectly

[@Starwarsfan066]

Brooo about time! I've missed seeing your channel pop out content.

[@Starwarsfan066]

@ᴛᴇxᴛ ᴍᴇ ᴏɴ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ_TheLoreMaster ok! Thank you!

[@NoWayJose24]

Imagine how mow many more numbers the rebellion would have had if the empire was fully made of clones.

[@st-6837]

Full blown rebellion everywhere

[@taiwandxt6493]

Yep, exactly. And imagine how many more rebel cells would've been active in the early years of the Empire if Palpatine didn't gain the support of the peasantry throughout the Galaxy.

[@GreenNinj4]

How? The citizens wouldn’t have to lose their sons, brothers and dads to fights so there‘d be no reason to rebel. Also, if the citizens have no way to learn how to fight, rebellions wouldnt pose as much of a threat. Instead, the genius empire now lost hundredthousands of the best soldiers the galaxy has ever seen and gave them every reason to rebel against it.

[@Littlemilkjug533]

The more poor people work for the empire the more gratitude many will have. They will se the empire as a new hope and become staunchly loyal as we have seen.

[@taiwandxt6493]

Yep, even if there was no ideological indoctrination whatsoever. It's why I think in our own real world, that many overestimate how many in the military would rebel against the government if they were ever to turn tyrannical. For these active duty soldiers in our world, the government puts food on their table and gives them adventure and career prospects. Ultimately freedom wouldn't matter to people if their needs are met. It's why I believe such a balance between the two is necessary for a successful society, Freedom and Public Safety/Welfare.

[@duescaymania2940]

The galaxy needed to be United. A military of the people instead of one created for it, while I wish all clones that were already created would stay as long as they could, it was necessary to create a better galaxy

[@comm154]

Glad to see you still uploading after all these years man, got to be my favorite channel with how you interpret both Legends and Canon. There aren’t as many of us watching as there used to be but we’ll be sticking around.

[@neilhannan5112]

Some would say genius but for me and all the true republic Patriots is that it's an horrible idea

[@davidordaz5251]

Yeah

[@normalplayer7377]

Aye

[@neofulcrum5013]

Long live the republic

[@ChubboYT]

An horrible idea

[@brotherhoodofsteelsoldier1356]

It was a great idea, the clones were much more harm then good serving a corrupt republic, long live the empire!

[@meepmeep8035]

Cool to see a different take on this topic, and it actually makes a lot of sense, nice vid!

[@TheLoreMasterYT]

Thanks!

[@reynard4823]

Glad to see you are back!

[@NathanHiggersson]

Clones: "THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!"

[@lisboah]

I may understand why they started relying more on recruits rather than clones. But the main problem I have with this is that they decided to remove all Clones from the military and replace them with Stormtroopers. The Elite Imperial forces should have stayed consisting of Clones and of the best recruits. These elites surely would have been able to defend the shield generator during the Battle of Endor.

[@grand_max66]

They still kept clones in the military until the did eventually get to old, as we have stories of Clones still in service in some capacity till around ANH.

[@lonelychameleon3595]

Darth Vader explicitly wanted the Imperial 501st to be comprised to clone troopers. They were largely phased out, but the Empire still saw a use for them.

[@darkjediknight2923]

In the original Expanded Universe novels, there were continued orders of clones (clone stormtroopers) produced in combination with recruitment. This was noted in "Dark Lord - Rise of Darth Vader". Emperor Palpatine informs the Loyalist Council that the Empire must be protected and consolidated. Fresh large orders are made for more clone stormtroopers to be grown on Kamino whilst other cloning facilities will be built throughout the galaxy directly controlled by the Imperial military. This would be done in combination with Recruitment and training of officers to replace the "traitorous Jedi Generals" at galaxy wide Imperial Academies to produce Officers to command the clone troops. You'd have clone troops interspersed with recruits to ensure loyalty - since the clones always obey orders from the command chain without question making any Mutiny by any battalion destined to fail.

[@GreenNinj4]

Another genius idea by Disney.

[@commando414]

1:03 I know it's art, but I'm pretty sure that woman looks like someone from Witcher 3.

[@Kirito-ei2tq]

First of all great job. I've missed your videos. Secondly, I will say while disbanding the clone army and moving to humans for an army definitely did instill a sense of gratitude for many worlds in the Empire, there was also a higher risk of rebellion as many of the stormtroopers began to see what pain and destruction the Empire they fought for had done and left the Empire or died hoping that they had inspired others to fight against the Empire. Clones on the other hand did have rebellion but they were loyal to the Republic, they fought in countless battles and had a true enemy to fight. And there were definitely some worlds that saw the temporary clone army occupation as a good thing as they kept the Separatists at bay. Toydaria along with other worlds saw that affects the Separatists had caused and saw the Republic as a means of protection. But having said that the Jedi in my opinion were a little too secretive and definitely seemed like an intrusive force as they often couldn't empathize with the civilians.

[@Cipher_Nine]

Nah, I think i'll just stick with Legends Where they kept on serving up until hoth. Clone-Stormtroopers were very badass specially from the 501st, this new canon timeline does the clones dirty.

[@arachnidcomics6404]

Heck yeah, he's back!

[@srikanthramprasad565]

They probably replaced the clones because like Cody said he along with himself began questioning the Empire. Not to mention they view the clones as expendable.

[@dragonking1097]

In a way, by showing the clones were willing to destroy the place they called home by blindly following orders. It gets the people willing to give their own local recruits who may not take such actions if they’re a little close to home. Of course, we all know that wasn’t the case for long.

[@lonelychameleon3595]

The reason for the clear difference in quality really also comes down to their training and their respective roles in the galaxy. The Clone Troopers made up the whole of the Grand Army of the Republic, a full fledged military force that was trained and equipped to fight in a large scale, prolonged conflict, which it did during the Clone Wars. They were, by all means, the best military force in galactic history up until that point. By comparison, the Imperial Stormtroopers served a role similar to that of police: enforcing laws and maintaining order. As such, their training did not emphasize the same high intensity combat situations that the Clones found themselves in, which is why it appears that they are a "downgrade" from them when in reality they are two different forces with two different functions in mind. Of course, it also reflects the arrogance of the Galactic Empire to assume that there could never be another armed force to oppose them, until the Rebel Alliance began winning battles and making Storm Troopers look incompetent. Comparing Clones to Storm Troopers is like comparing a soldier to a police officer: some of their training overlaps, but they are equipped for entirely different roles.

[@Chaotic_Jackal]

I really wish people would stop making this argument because this isn’t something supported in either Legends or Canon lore. The Clone Troopers weren’t better soldiers then their Stormtrooper counterparts by any meaningful metric. Nor where Stormtroopers wasted on simple policing actions (that was the regular Imperial Army’s job), Stormtrooper units where often only deployed to planets where conflict was either a given or there was something of to great a strategic value to be left up to the Imperial Army regulars. We see them a lot in the shows and movies but that’s largely due to the plot important events that tend to revolve around. And let’s be real here, for pure nostalgia reasons. When it comes to the OT people expect stormtroopers, Star Destroyers, and TIE fighters, so that’s largely what the writers are going to add in.

[@scinnyc]

@@Chaotic_Jackal 😆Clone troopers were indeed much better soldiers than Stormtroopers. Jango Fett was cloned for a reason: he was skilled enough to be able to actually kill Jedi. The Clone Troopers also had far more training than Stormtroopers. Which is obvious by how terrible the average Stormtrooper's aim is. The Clones have also done some pretty amazing feats. What feats have Stormtroopers ever done besides being canon fodder?

[@Chaotic_Jackal]

@@scinnyc Jango’s ability to kill Jedi didn’t make the clones superior soldiers in the slight though as none of the clones where even remotely on his level and varied wildly in terms of their individual combat skills. As for the idea of the clones being “better trained”, both Stormtroopers and Clone troopers go through the same combat training programs with the only difference being the Imperial one being slightly more refined due to the lesions learned from the clone wars. A lot of people like to say that because clones where created from birth to be soldiers that makes them better but those same people tend to forget that most of a clone trooper’s early development and upbringing would, by necessity be no different from that of a normal child with basic education and physical fitness being the norm tell they reach adulthood and can begin proper military training. There’s a reason why training troops from brith fell out of usage in the real world after all. Also the Stormtroopers can’t aim thing is a meme based on people not paying attention to what actually happened in Ep. 4 where it is outright stated the Stromtroopers intentionally allowed the heroes to escape so they could track them back to the Rebel base on Yavin 4. Other then they they are never portrayed in any of the films as being poor shots.

[@scinnyc]

@@Chaotic_Jackal Of course Jango was way better than all of his clones...he was like 40 years old and they were only 10. Stormtroopers have missed their target in far more things than just Episode 4 lol. In fact, the only thing that Stormtroopers ever hit was Leia's shoulder when she was distracted. And you have no proof that Stormtroopers underwent the same or a superior training regimen than the clones, because they didn't. The Clones were clearly superior to Stormtroopers in every way. You're the only person that I've ever heard in my entire life who's disagreed. Stormtroopers weren't even designed to be the best soliders...they were designed to have overwhelming numbers similar to the droid army of the Separatists

[@Chaotic_Jackal]

@@scinnyc 1) So? Even Boba Fett who was raised directly by Jango was never a direct match for his father. Clones in Star Wars might look the same as their progenitors but their skills and abilities have always varied wildly in comparison. This has been a known fact in both Legends and Current Canon for the longest time now. 2) So I’m guessing you missed the entire opening scene of a New Hope then where Stormtroopers board Leia’s ship, gun down the rebels with contemptible ease, then nail Leia herself as she tries to escape as well? Hell even in episode 6. Plenty of non-main character rebels and Ewoks get blown away by the Empire throughout that scene. And those are just the movies, the various books and games make it vary clear that they are very effective soldiers in their own right. 3) You can hop over to the Wiki and read up on Stormtrooper training yourself if you wish. We literally know more about their training regime then we do those of the Clone Troopers. Me assuming they where the same was just being charitable. 4) Large numbers of people parroting around incorrect information doesn’t make it any less wrong my guy. Most people don’t bother looking into things beyond the surface level and just assume it’s correct because all the memes tell them so. The Clones weren’t better in any meaningful regard dude. They simply had the luxury of being designated “good guys” in most of their appearances.

[@Godzillajedi-m4k]

I miss clone

[@nate_orious0002]

I miss jedi

[@ider8476]

@Argenta warrior Now clones are homeless, ironic isnt it

[@praporbarton3961]

Great video, finally saying out loud what was implied in SW media for a long time

[@macekreislahomes1690]

As someone else pointed out, The Empire might have lasted longer using the reqrutes for defense and the Clone Troopers for offense.

[@taiwandxt6493]

That definitely could've worked now that I think about it. But at the same time, negative public perception of the clones would've been the same even if they were just used for offense. It's not like the public couldn't see war. Their own citizens putting down things like rebellion and fighting the Empire's wars would've achieved the same thing Palpatine wanted without any negatives that using the clones in any sort of widespread capacity could've. And the amount of jobs it created generated the Empire even more support.

[@Bluesonofman]

He should have kept the Clones however also had Non-Clones for most of the Army. The Clones would be a more regular force meant as a safe guard in case the Army went rouge

[@darkjediknight2923]

In the original Expanded Universe novels, there were continued orders of clones (clone stormtroopers) produced in combination with recruitment. This was noted in "Dark Lord - Rise of Darth Vader". Emperor Palpatine informs the Loyalist Council that the Empire must be protected and consolidated. Fresh large orders are made for more clone stormtroopers to be grown on Kamino whilst other cloning facilities will be built throughout the galaxy directly controlled by the Imperial military. This would be done in combination with Recruitment and training of officers to replace the "traitorous Jedi Generals" at galaxy wide Imperial Academies to produce Officers to command the clone troops. You'd have clone troops interspersed with recruits to ensure loyalty - since the clones always obey orders from the command chain without question making any Mutiny by any battalion destined to fail.

[@Bluesonofman]

@@darkjediknight2923 It’s not the same

[@darkjediknight2923]

@@Bluesonofman Exactly. In the original canon which stuck to what was in the movies, a large element of the troopers are still clones. Certainly for a significant period of time. Thus ensuring loyalty since clone stormtroopers obey the command chain all the way to the top without question. Sadly the writers of this show seem intent on trying to make the galaxy shortly after Episode III look exactly like the galaxy of Episode IV within a day.

[@Bluesonofman]

@@darkjediknight2923 I only recognize Lucas Canon. After Book of Boba I was just done. They butchered Ahsoka and they are not erasing 7/8/9. My Canon is Ahsoka became Star Killer and then the events of the Force Unleashed happened.

[@darkjediknight2923]

@@Bluesonofman Yes likewise I only recognise George Lucas' canon as the official lore. In my opinion, I think the ONLY sequel movies or instalments (Episodes) in the sacred saga itself that should ever be produced, should only be whatever he intended and that alone. I truly wish we saw his definitive vision. Until such time, I consider his 6 episodes a timeless and complete classic. Those were the days with games like Force Unleashed or the original Battlefront 2004. I do enjoy Rogue One and think Andor is excellent (and would recommend them). I wish the team behind THOSE were in charge of Star Wars. I really wasn't keen on the Book of Boba Fest or bland Mandolorian. Though I do wish Temura Morrison was hired for more live action films set in the Clone Wars or just after. The fabulous novels "Labyrinth of Evil" and "Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader" come to mind. Oh what could be!

[@EagleFangBasketball22]

Tech: "Look at this. These are not clone troopers." Gregor: "That's what I've been trying to tell you. These are our replacements, if you can believe that."

[@drob4812]

Wake up babe, the best channel just posted

[@spectreshadow]

Palpatine showing he still got it.

[@Luke_SkywaIker]

Bad Batch and Andor go together hand in hand. I really love this era of Star Wars that we’re in - peak storytelling IMO

[@julianforrer478]

I liked the idea that vaders forces were stil clones, a always loyal elite fighting force to fight where they were needed.

[@handsanitizer3108]

The thing about Palpatine is that he so f’d up I find it hard anyone willingly joined the stormtroopers

[@SWDude2710]

*the Star Wars fandom after reading this title* *YOU ARE A BOLD ONE!*

[@SWDude2710]

@Argenta warrior indeed. And yet, TFA, Rogue One, some of the Mandalorian, and Andor seem to treat them like a credible threat, which we need more of.

[@jokerdust4298]

Clones were more effective . The empire got lazy and cheap . I have spoken .

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Palpatine: "my resolve has never been stronger."

[@elementaljedi9335]

I don’t exactly get what happened to the clones after the clone wars. It’s like yeah, they were decommissioned but I don’t get how in a few years they just vanished out of existence.

[@FranchiseLore8888]

Love your videos

[@dontme6996]

The issue wasn't that they phased out clones or transitioned to stormtroopers, the issue is that they did both at once. The belief that loyalty will be generated by indoctrinating individuals into the military holds some merit, but having a clone army and having an enlisted force are not mutually exclusive ideas. You can have a transitional military force governed by enlisted officers (like during the clone wars), while having many enlisted soldiers in various military bases across their home systems, like a national guard and a coast guard on the galactic scale. You keep your walking death machines while still employing millions to fight for the Empire. This would also open avenues for greater engineering medical science. It's much less anger that the empire lost a fully functioning (and based on episode 7), easily controlled military and much more disappointment. The Empire very obviously could fully control clones with appropriate regulation. The actual reason the empire got rid of clones was to cover up the dirty work that was order 66 without causing too much suspicion... Which honestly could have been circumvented altogether had Palpatine been a tad more patient... Oh well.

[@mr.dystopian5554]

It's all about the Mets! Baby, the Mets! Let's go Mets!

[@benfrank9622]

If Yoda puts all his stats in Wisdom, Sidious puts everything in intelligence.

[@deathsquad8891]

Perhaps, it is time for a change. Now, more than ever. Building a strong galaxy requires protection and security. Due to admiral Rampart's nefarious actions and the immediacy of the bill on the floor today, it is my opinion that this legislation is our future. With this momentous act, we shall usher in a new era, heralded by the Imperial Stormtrooper! P.S. I wrote this from mind, that's how many times I have rewatched it

[@Guardsman-sy8qm]

The empire shouldve used stormtroopers as an elite branch of service while filling the Imperial Army with regular humans. The cream of the crop from the Army recruits could then be offered an enlistment in the storm trooper corps.

[@silascraven]

So basically the emperor thought of everything

[@JanoschNr1]

It's about the message

[@conradojavier7547]

give us a Legends Version of the Stormtrooper's Birth.

[@TheWarmachine375]

0:41 Palpatine: "I Am The Senate!"

[@darthsimon2790]

The Clones are and will always be more interesting than Storm Troopers

[@jeffpeltier6570]

finally someone said this is what i always thought of with why the clones where removed.

[@mingthan7028]

Palp makes use of the Banality of Evil

[@articusramos808]

Not too many stories of regular imperial army. Always the so called elite Strom troopers

[@starwarsguy9803]

You should upload more frequently

[@DatMentalGamer]

the clones were just a tool Palpatine needed to take over the Galaxy. and once done he no longer needed them. replacing them with regular people was just Hubris and to further control everyone

[@LordAxiomVaro]

I really wanna know how much power the early imperial senate really had

[@KENSHIROez3260]

Why Ciri from the witcher become a stormtrooper on the thumbnail?

[@StuartLugsden]

If the Empire put quality over quantity then Sheev might have succeeded. Imagine if the Tie Defender program wasn't shut down and if they expanded on the deathtrooper branch.

[@stephennugent9958]

Then the Final Order learnt from that.

[@eclipseexpress5775]

Palpatine was initially counting on the Death Star to enforce the Empire’s will across the galaxy once the Senate has been thrown out. In the end the Final Order have a huge fleet of ships armed with Death Star cannon

[@StuartLugsden]

@@eclipseexpress5775 everyone knows that

[@FranchiseLore8888]

Happy Valentine’s Day everyone 💘😊❤

[@darkjediknight2923]

Personally I'd prefer if the original Expanded Universe lore was maintained with continued orders of clones (clone stormtroopers) ordered in conjunction with recruitment. This was noted in the novel "Dark Lord - Rise of Darth Vader". Emperor Palpatine informs the Loyalist Council that the Empire must be protected and consolidated. Fresh large orders are made for yet more clone stormtroopers to be grown on Kamino whilst other cloning facilities will be built throughout the galaxy. This would be done in combination with Recruitment and training of officers to replace the "traitorous Jedi Generals" at galaxy wide Imperial Academies.

[@59rlmccormack]

Yeah, very genius, especially for someone who spent years scheming in the darkness.

[@infinitecanadian]

Not to mention that stormtroopers aren't as inept as they are made out to be.

[@iwantgoals1566]

Now how did the algorithm know I just finished watching Bad Bacth S2?

[@TY-km8hj]

Good to have the lore master back. I have to say tho that I don't like the clones being phased out this early in the empires reign and doing so whilst their isn't truly an imperial military made up yet. 5 yrs I could imagine and say cool that makes sense but this seems like mere months, max a yr which is just silly. Legends made much more sense, u had the clones still in service tho some did leave, and u also had regular troops making up the majority. Clone forces were even expanded and multiple templates were used to diversify and pad the amount of fighting men more. To decommission them now whilst they're still a young useful fighting force, who are much more willing to obey orders, is just a waste of assets and is plain stupid to me. On top of that we know a clone rebellion is coming and the empires literally the one oushing them to do so which is also stupid given they're a trained fighting force bred for war who have a deeper understanding of war and the Republic now empires tactics then anyone. The smart decision would be to use them whilst they're useful and appease them, abandoning them just doesn't have any true benefits. Imagine a few yrs down the line where the emperor tells the galaxy that the clone numbers are dwindling after trying to defend the empire for so long and so they have no choice but to conscript citizens so that the clones fight wasn't in vain and so they could stay protected. If u acc think about it, it doesn't really work

[@kevincalgta]

I believe that the Empire did make a big mistake replacing the clones with human recruits, but in my honest opinion, it would’ve been a lot better if the galactic empire got a form of soldier that was similar to those used by the eternal empire, which these troops were sky troopers Which were droids completely or it would’ve been better if they would’ve trained the storm troopers the same way that they would train the Royal guards because of my honest opinion, the royal guards are more intimidating than the storm troopers and the level of training that the imperial royal guards had is much beneficial to the empire because we all know that the storm troopers can’t shoot at all

[@OutOfIdeas9977]

This is unrelated but I have 3 recommendations one who did Boba Fett escape the Scarlac Pitt in both canon and legends, the entire Fett family tree and all the Jedi Jango Killed

[@thesoulcast956]

In a way, the Jedi, the Clones, everyone who participated in the Clone Wars got used and then tossed aside.

[@EagleFangBasketball22]

It's the unfortunate reality of the Empire when Palpatine disposed both the Jedi and the Clones, so he can replace them with imperial officers and stormtroopers.

[@Kamina.D.Fierce]

Technically, yes, it is. Just that it overall benefits Palpatine to get rid of the Clone Army anyway as.... 1- it covers up his crimes' tracks 2- the money for more clones is being spent on the Death Stars 3- an army of unwitting but loyal dimwits who work for even cheaper and are very easy to replace? Sounds right up Palpatine's alley

[@Privateharvest]

Edit: I completely missed the entire point of this video oops I always thought that the clones were meant to make it seem like there are less individual people dying to glorify the idea of war to the Senate Less Jedi at risk (theoretically) less citizens at risk which softens the blow of war or the necessity of violence to get what the Emperor wants

[@theconcursian]

Just have both lol. Human army and a clone army both being continuously built. That way you have size AND an elite fighting force :)

[@Scarletttheinklinggirl]

Let’s just be honest Palaptine’s real mistake was not investing into some kind of stable economic strategy that could actually last into the future because an over militarised empire stuck in a permanent war economy is never good, especially for building stable condition. Of course the Imperial military needs to remain strong, but they can’t over use it.

[@sleepyboi5804]

It's also genius because I won't feel bad when a stormtrooper dies, unlike the clones which I get heartbroken everytime

[@SonOfTheChinChin]

it's not about money. it's about sending a message

[@angelobrewster6293]

Long live the Empire

[@joshuadecker1305]

Using volunteer citizens makes sense. Clones were trained in conventional warfare. As we've seen in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq, asymmetric war is a whole different ballgame. Clones would not have fared any better.

[@EagleFangBasketball22]

True. The Empire can't rely on clones anymore due to them being bred for combat and individual thinking skills. They only want regular human soldiers (stormtroopers) to police the galaxy. So, they didn't have any combative skills that the clones had.

[@lolopopljnhj]

Honestly the separatists seem more like the „good“ guys when you think about it

[@stunner9005]

You forgot to mention that the clones were dying of old age. Their age acceleration gave them a shorter lifespan.

[@daryljr5361]

So he felt confident after he thought the jedi were gone

[@peppercane622]

They still got clapped by a teenager with a laser stick and an unregistered X Wing

[@normalplayer7377]

Clones > Stormtroopers

[@normalplayer7377]

@Argenta warrior No

[@normalplayer7377]

@Argenta warrior No, Clones were better.

[@KepaniGrayson]

Unfortunately no one ever saw Palpatine coming. And by the time anyone knew the truth it was too late.

[@HR2007-o3f]

@The Lore Master who do you think would win: the Republic’s army of Clones or the Empire’s army of Stormtroopers?

[@st-6837]

Depends if all out war the Empire will win

[@MarcusPearl]

My latest theory has been the Death Star

[@BAKER_SWEETS]

Finally someone who agrees

[@H-TownGamer]

This is looking too much into the lore and not what it is. Good animation, good voice acting, good light saber duels, diverse planets and characters from all of Star Wars over a 7 season arc. That’s enough to be at least “decent” but bad? for what it is this is nowhere bad. No matter how inconsistent it is this is one of the best Star wars media ever and is very well crafted

[@paulsteinhauser434]

Reason why it failed Clones: loyalty, character, trained to fight even with odds against them Stormtroopers: loyalty, no creativity, power in numbers

[@stephennugent9958]

When you think about it on what you said about the Stormtroopers they're literally battle droids but human.

[@paulsteinhauser434]

@@stephennugent9958 pretty much

[@thealexgundam5006]

@@paulsteinhauser434 The empire weren't really loyal as many betrayed each other

[@paulsteinhauser434]

@@thealexgundam5006 yes in both Canon and legends. This is why I prefer legends the stormtroopers were actually intimidating.

[@thealexgundam5006]

@@paulsteinhauser434 Ya, I liked 501rst trooper color scheme from force unleashed. Look badass

[@rishnix]

Yeah, never bought into the Clone Troopers being better than Stormtroopers. It's easy to look like an All-Star when you're just going up against braindead droids all day that lined up in nice neat formations for you to hit while being able to aim at anything. Meanwhile, Stormtroopers were going up against highly motivated and cunning rebels. Finally, to quote Obi-Wan himself, only imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.

[@dark_force0164]

Ye I don't think people give stormtroopers enough credit, they're not as bad as the movies or fans portray them to be. That being said though, there's no denying clones were better than STs in every way seeing as they were engineered and bred to be soldiers. If you replaced the clones with stormtroopers on umbara, I don't think Republic would've been able to win that battle.

[@Hater67876]

It's about the Mets!

[@only2godz-_-2542]

''THATS WHY HE'S THE GOAT THE GOAT'' Nah just kidding but i mean he's the best fictional dictator of all time, if he was a real life dictator he would be truely be 'TERRIFYING' and hard to take down but if there's a will there's a way.

[@lifedeather]

So clones near the end of the war were like irl police when people protested to defund them right?

[@Cruzer871]

So when we get clones in the Us military ?