The Great May Debate feat. Flats, Samito & Freedo | Group Up! ep. 32

[@SVBOW]

Thank you for all the kind comments, I generally stay away from comment sections but I do see all your kind words and they give me the motivavtion to keep making more! Podcast Links: If you enjoy this content then please consider supporting it directly via Patreon: www.patreon.com/svb Soundcloud: soundcloud.com/ow_svb/the-great-may-debate-feat-flats-samito-freedo Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/6sRWutKTc0gnWuguo62Vpa Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/svbs-group-up/id1490256265

[@IPlayVideoGamesAndNothingElse]

What’s the point in playing if they use stats from overwatch 1. No reset = no play.

[@chongkiss609]

I hope one day there is enough heroes, and I think it's close, that there is no more mirror matches. One team picks first, gets to pick one hero, then the other team picks 2 heroes, and it goes 1 for 1 until both teams are full. Think of the strategies involved there. Obviously there are flaws, like needing more support choices, but oh man the strategies involved!

[@ValeOverwatch]

Please consider bringing on ML7 and Niandra (not sure thats how you spell her name she's the mercy player)

[@AresGod0fWar]

Hey, SVB! I completely agree with you on the spectator function of OWL. I was mainly watching on my phone so that is a variable, but I found it hard to follow what was going on. Not just the camera shifting, but the colors that they chose to represent the teams. Sometimes it was hard for me to make out who was on which team. It was actually kind of frustrating and killed my hype to watch. I don’t do this often, but I spectated my friend’s League of Legends game the other day, and the active camera setting gives you plenty of info to see what’s going on. It doesn’t feel confusing like OWL, and that’s probably more so too because the camera is top down.

[@plain-bagel]

The Great Debate is easily my favorite OW content series! Thanks SVB and all the awesome guests!

[@PeaceMastah]

69 bagel

[@Zedword42]

I always look forward to these

[@OW_Howl]

Yes

[@Drew-fn6rq]

cant agree more

[@wesmarshall1920]

As much as I've enjoyed the other guests this crew is the hard carry of the Group Up Pod.

[@BridgyP]

Yeah the guests are cool but the chemistry from appearing together a lot helps the podcast really

[@lancefisher8358]

Hard agree

[@fuscello]

Agree so much, these three have basically my same mentality so I love them and I also follow them independently

[@IOUAK9]

Blizzard should literally hire you guys or give u a special spot, hands down the most passionate players this game could have, not even OWL players are this committed to the success and appreciation of this game. It's always good hearing you 4, GLHF!

[@d3x84]

No they shouldn't. The general public doesnt care if Overwatch has any content since they don't play it anymore since 2018. Why? Because the game feels shit to play (for most people). You can argue over content all day, if "no one" plays your game no amount of content is going to rescue your ass. The Situation we are in is mostly to content creators demanding content for a game that "no one plays". Samito can rage all day over "Fortune 500 company". At the end of the day, PVE is going to be "the big thing" if Bliz gets it right and the PVP part is going to take MANY years to get somewhere "not B tier". It's just how it works sadly.

[@raiu_fp5194]

@@d3x84 he wasn’t talking about that….

[@alexandercardenas8972]

I like to imagine that someone in there is seeing these and showing out key highlights and points to meetings and share their opinions to the game. We may know this for sure on what support changes we see in the next beta and if they reflect off of thr pointa made in this video.

[@YoSoFunnyx3]

@@alexandercardenas8972 I would be shocked if they didn’t tbh. It would be terrible business practice not to watch in-depth revues of your product.

[@willandphil]

2:48 mmr mentioned. Freedo becomes incandescant with rage

[@kwood6013]

The meeting of the Four Families. Best OW podcast out there.

[@ROBAKABIGPAPA]

More than 10 minutes before samito mentioned brig. That's an impressive improvement from the 5 minute name drop from the previous video.

[@codysearchfield8258]

Long time listener, first time caller. OW2 beta was good for me, but I’m the only remaining hardcore Overwatch fan in my friend group and it was hard to convince them to come play with so much competition out there. I wish it would have been an open beta rather than a closed beta. I agree with Sam here. The more folks who get in, the more data points they have. Overall, the gameplay / game flow felt SO much better than in 6v6. I know a lot of people complained about how supports felt, but honestly after they added the mercy superjump ability, she was so much fun! At least as a support, it still feels like RNG whether you win or lose - it’s either tank gap or dps gap. Granted, there are the occasional games where it feels like a support diff, it still feels more slanted towards tank/dps. I *LOVE* these podcasts. Keep them coming!

[@b23beatz]

I couldn’t even get one person to try it, I’m not so sure about the future of OW, I enjoyed the beta but damn idk if it’s gonna be enough to bring it back

[@bubee8123]

@@b23beatz I play ow since ow1 beta and last two years my friend list was empty...two weeks before ow2 beta i had 5 full squads of friends playing the game and we had so much fun in beta... i hope i never have to soloque this game again ...

[@mr.dolphin8345]

I think Blizzard really needs to start realizing that it’s content creators like this that they owe all the credit for Overwatch still having the influence that it has today. Albeit, it’s nowhere near what it used to be, but the content creators for overwatch has been really holding it down and I really do think Blizzard owes them money.

[@secretlyaslug2325]

Giving them acaccess to exclusive content like the Alpha does pay them in a way.

[@FGPlus]

Nah their egos are already huge as it is

[@mr.dolphin8345]

@@FGPlus I mean yeah true

[@ssccaappeeggooaatt]

@@secretlyaslug2325 not nearly enough

[@ReedoTV]

If the beta had comp, it would not change a single word of Dunkey's video. It may have added "comp is exactly the same. They haven't changed a thing!".

[@lightdemon2169]

I'm tired of supports either being seen as kill fodder or OP utility demons. Like bro I just want to be able to help my team without feeling like I'm made of tissue paper and should just lay down and die if a DPS takes 2 steps in my direction. The resentment of the role is so exhausting to see

[@doctorbielen]

When it came to the support discussion…I was just confused by some of the bad takes. Remove ALL damage amplification? Mercy GA game breaking? Support being not that bad at first (well this one is kind of true, but when you have such a small roster and most players can only really play 2 of them, that is a problem) Also, it’s not so much “supports got nothing new” because everyone knew (at least it should have been known that) going in there was nothing new, but it was rather “the lethality of everything is much higher now and everyone is a flanker”

[@newengland707]

This might be the most Debate we've had and I'm all for it. Every single person made points i agree with, and every person made a point i disagree with in a thought provoking way. SVB you're spoiling us with content and we thank you.

[@ShadowSword88ee]

I love these discussions. I love listening to them while I do other things. They put a smile on my face every time!

[@SlipperySnake321]

Imagine your biggest complaint about the beta is it not having competitive mode. What kind of fantasy world are some of these hosts living in? The queue times were often 10 minutes already with just quick play. Aside from all the completely imbalanced crap and people trying new heroes, there would be zero competitive atmosphere. It is just a kind of clownish request because the minute they turned it on all these same people would be complaining about how imba ranked is, how long the queue time is, and on and on.

[@doomknocker]

That's what I'm saying. Some of these guys are just completely off in a dream world where everything is centered around them

[@pandaman1559]

I was thinking the exact same thing, queue times would be doubled.

[@bailableYT]

I don't think having comp itself in the beta would ahve been good, because if the ranked rework isnt ready, you don't want people to think its the same dogshit system. Though, I do agree that a unranked mode that has the competitive ruleset was something that should have been there.

[@libertyprime9307]

What is dogshit about the rank system? The only thing I can think of is solo and group should be separated. Everything else is a textbook ranked system, same as any team game.

[@SqwertSoda]

@@libertyprime9307 I really don’t like how unclear the sr is in ow ranked. Don’t get me wrong I grind still but it they make it hard for team queuing to be balanced and so they punish the group which makes teams no fun

[@libertyprime9307]

@@SqwertSoda Just win games and you'll climb. If you want to group queue then you get placed against other groups. If you want to take it more seriously and work on team stuff, then do actual scrims instead of ranked. Ranked is really a good tool for solo players.

[@moneyglitch]

SVB you are a legend for making these videos, props to you man. Love the deep discussions every time.

[@kristincatuogno9450]

I would really love if you guys did put someone on that did play support every day like ML7 or Eeveea because I do think that it’s not just the lack of content that support got that made it not feel good to play support once the beta dropped.

[@johnnyvogelmeier6397]

Makes my day to see another great debate, good stuff SVB :)

[@CSyoutube90]

Love your conversations SVB! Keep up the good work!

[@multidex33]

Sorry comp in a 2 week beta is a non necessity. They had a goal to test a few things and that's what they did. Stability, 5v5, new maps etc. I think, thinking its as simple as pulling a switch to turn it on is a bit naïve. There is so much work and digesting the information. I get content creators are upset, but yall just come off a little bratty. I agree they aren't handling this release as well as they could be.

[@joshuagravois6812]

I was bored of the beta after like 3 days, I think a ranked mode would of kept me interested, cause unranked was just a clown fiesta

[@Kaos9696]

Idk about the ranked mode thing, but Samito's overall take on the beta missing out was pretty spot on. There should have been more to show. That's what gets people talking about the game.

[@Hoehlenmaensch]

Beware of a Wall of Text: Feel like i have to talk about my brig here. I personally feel like the change to remove stun and give damage instead is great for her. She was supposed to be the low skill anti flank/ anti dive hero. For low rank that doesnt work with the stun, because stuns are useless outside for reaper ult or rein charge. No one can be bothered to look what happens in the backline, so a lot of low rank players played it supposedly right, but didnt have the damage follow up, meaning they really just delayed their death against the genji by 0.75 seconds. With the damage you can actually now punish or at least scare the DPS and sometimes tanks away. If a genji dives you, you left click (35) then bash (50) and then probably left click again, that already puts him under half health. And most would already abort mission at that point, considering one LMB plus whipshot would be their time to appreciate the furniture of the spawn room. And considering the other support might help you at least, there might be another 70 damage already done, potentially even anti'd... Now think of the same thing with the 5 damage stun. The genji comes in, you LMB, stun, LMB; he's still above half health, making him keep the confidence for another shuriken right click, potentially on your head... Situation is much different. The extra damage is much easier to use for lower ranks. Especially since with the armor changes she gets a ton more survivability. Now if they gave brig a proper visual marker for when inspire is active, that would be great. a small symbol next to the cooldowns, that also shows to all people that are getting the effects from it, that could really help her. i am however ready to talk about the fact that she was a bit too good at duels. Abused a bunch of reapers in the beta. Shouldn't happen. Maybe put whipshot damage at 50 instead of 70. Since you wanna use it as a finish move, it would still put the dive DPS in the scary "i am below half HP" but give them another half a second to finish the brig before its the reverse, as she'd need one more swing with the flail.

[@Hoehlenmaensch]

Also, the things Flats experience about the beta regarding people talking BS in Chat, thats why i generally dislike QP. People are there just to mess around, and often times when its a group friends on the enemy team they get a bit too silly and turn a bit toxic. And absolutely hate that kind of behaviour. Always did, still do. Thats literally how bullying in school works. Just some guys messing around, the silent kid turns the corner "Look, its the silent dude, it's so weird, how he never talks" and then someone whoe doesnt even know them thinks they keep the conversation going... In ranked people are too busy trying not be the obvious problem in the team.

[@noahdtdog9082]

Thank you SVB. IM SO GLAD WE GOT THE GOD SQUAD TOGETHER I CANT WAIT TO LISTEN!!! Sure to be a banger episode. Keep up the great work. Much love

[@SmokingDodo]

Never thought I’d find such great ow content in 2022! Love all the different personalities you bring in makes the community almost feel alive again

[@SmokingDodo]

Especially this trio specifically I think they all genuinely care about the game way more than most so hearing them discuss stuff is awesome

[@BridgyP]

I'm somewhat malding over the takes reflecting on the beta. Sam in particular was hailing the alpha and then beta as the second coming of Christ, best thing he's played in years etc. And now you're all saying it wasn't enough because your viewing growth wasn't what you wanted it to be. I wish I could be sympathetic, but you guys slam dunked on dunkey for expressing this opinion before, and have now decided to agree with him.

[@matteoschlechtleitner4550]

Last debate u did I said I love your debates and that most of all I love when we have Freedo, Samito and Flats....and here they are again! It's like you listened to me. Thanks. Keep it up.

[@ChuloGayming]

In my personal Opinion as a Casual Gamer and Tank/Support player. High Diamond/Low Master Player OW2 beta was a Win. Tanks feel Amazing, Supports When I first played the beta didnt feel good to me, I would die first all the time but then idk what Blizzard did but Supports feel good now. DPS idk I dont play that Role.

[@chongor925]

Stopping my viewing halfway thru to just comment and say how much fun it is to listen to you guys. All four of you have such incredible qualities and ways of putting your words.

[@TheRoyal30]

I appreciate the perspective of everyone on the podcast but I know there are plenty of people out there that don't care about the competitive side of things. That's not something that, by itself, would have made a huge difference. Yes it would have made it better, but it is the full scope of things in OW that keeps people playing. Arcade, Comp, Custom Games, AND QP. Any game that has strictly one game mode is only going to be fun for so long.

[@isaiahrasmussen8601]

The only podcast I listen to when I drive to and from work I get sad when I finish it and happy when I see a new one I wish you pumped out more once overwatch has more content to talk about!

[@primalinea682]

I've been waiting for this, thx SVB!

[@primalinea682]

I also love seeing freedo on the podcast again

[@nobo3498]

Fun drinking game: take a shot every time one of them says “fundamentally”

[@jremigio24]

Yoooo I’ve been waiting for this !!! Yesss !!! Thank you guys.

[@michaelpurdon7032]

When it comes to the resources they have to host the beta, it's important to not forget they had a hard time constraint with OWL. Everything they did in terms of what was ready revolves around that. If they could have waited 3 months to start it with more content they probably would. I think that's why we have a gap now. The dates were pretty firm as to when they had to have something ready. If the next beta suffers similarly then we have a real problem

[@pippo17173]

If all decisions are base on the owl, they fucked themselves over because it's the main reason they lost money. Almost 80% of the players dont give a shit about it.

[@tjfkc]

great stuff. really enjoy and appreciate these discussions. I hope (and I think) the devs are watching - have to think they are since they've been very good lately at responding to community concerns.

[@brian21282]

I think there has to be other people who were a little sad this wasn't The Great Mei Debate. :-(

[@21st6]

I love may! thanks for the insight on this wonderful month!

[@caplapse]

Please make this a weekly podcast. Good stuff 👌

[@nelsonxavierleta]

Im with the idea that viewership dropped bc as a console player i couldn't play the beta so it's kinda just more of a spoiler and i rather experience it first hand i did see some of the beta but only during the initial first days it dropped and now i have to see them play it in league

[@Rootz2000]

These long form discussions are 🔥🔥🔥

[@zexulia]

I think what sam doesn't understand is that they can't make the beta permanent and add comp because console doesn't even have access to it yet.

[@arelyndis2796]

While it would have been best to have competitive mode testing, they said plainly that the competitive mode WAS NOT READY TO TEST. If you want competitive only, go play OW1. When the next wave a beta comes out, competitive will be there.

[@joshuagravois6812]

They never guaranteed that, there could very well not be comp until release, it would be a blizzard thing to do..

[@arelyndis2796]

@@joshuagravois6812 True. It wasn't guaranteed. They already implied it was a priority though. They wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. If it isn't in beta 2 it almost certainly will be in beta 3. A competitive mode for a 2 or 3 week beta isn't a big deal. When we hit open beta with a month or more to play at a time. Then we can expect a big enough base and a long enough time frame for a proper competitive test. New casual modes, heroes, and maps will always be the bigger draw for a beta competitive being enabled.

[@hoogalaga]

Great good faith conversation! Refreshing in this day and age haha.

[@ryanbaylon3022]

Super sick vid. Keep ‘em coming!

[@kodychawdhry5272]

Woohooooo new debate let’s gooo, these actually make me excited to go to work so I can listen to these:)

[@IPlayVideoGamesAndNothingElse]

You change a support or a tank the entire game changes for the top percent. Majority of players are playing with battle rein, pistol only mercy, and a front line zen. So majority of changes mean nothing to the majority of players.

[@REDx-M2]

I’m console player and i wish they give us beta access 😭

[@8Kwings22]

feels like listening to the community more is great, but listening to too much of the community can cloud your judgement and they might need to find a middle ground

[@nellysan3]

I agree with so many points. It needs a rebranding, saying OW2 is just not communicating their product well. Also agree with the beta size. I had so many friends watching owl to get beta access. It was almost impossible for them. With interest declining, why wouldnt they want to refill the queues with new players. Just odd decisions. However I expect each beta to get better, agree with SVB's take on their ability to adapt and change as needed now vs the past.

[@greyfalconow9467]

Well the main thing I'd say OW2 needs is good queue times. Easy way to do that is two methods 1. Quickplay = Midgame hero switching, with 1Tank/2Support Role Limit 2. DPS-only mode = Some sort of game mode. Either just Push/KotH maps. Or get a fancy version of a CounterStrike style mode and double down on stealing Valorant players. Or maybe something like Dirty Bomb. And to balance out the lack of Role Queue on Quickplay, add this mode 3. Unranked, Role Queue, Comp Rules, No SR, has backfill Which also has the benefit of playing both sides of Push

[@yoshirox4eva]

What's the point of flipping Push? It's a symmetrical mode and imo it kinda sucks so the less time playing it the better imo.

[@choc0late_milk]

another major argument against having a ranked mode in the beta is queue times. there are only so many players in the beta, and if you split up the playerbase among separate gamemodes and ranks, the queue times wouldve been pretty horrendous.

[@backstabber3537]

why not make it comp only so the data and balance and much more accurate to various skillsets

[@AGuyNamedJoeJoe]

Great conversation. Keep it up!

[@sohkya27]

what if discord applied 5% dmg amplification at the onset and ramps up the longer discord stays on the target, capping off at 25%. also cooldown incurred when removed by zen or LOS'd.

[@nironagendram9501]

I like the idea but I think it should be the other way around, so instead of capitalising on a tank fucking up and staying in LOS, it would dep on how fast ur team plays, which would fit better w zen as a dive support

[@ztartop98]

I thought the game was coming out sometime late 2020 or early 2021 when they announced it at Blizzcon 2019. I don't know how much longer me and many others can wait.

[@CK-pj3cz]

They are following the same pattern as the original beta,so maybe october November release?

[@Michael-pn4xu]

@@CK-pj3cz I think it'll be October/November too. Just based on the fact they said the remix events are replacing Archives, anniversary, and summer games. But made no mention to Hallowen. Just based on that fact it'll be this fall.

[@CK-pj3cz]

@@Michael-pn4xu yeah wouldn’t be surprised,I’m guessing console will get like one big beta towards the end when it’s almost a finished product

[@Michael-pn4xu]

@@CK-pj3cz If it was released in 2020 or 2021 I would 100% agree. But going 3 years with no content I think that the next beta might include console. Having 1/2 of your player base go 3 years with no ability to play the game will leave a sour taste. I'm just thinking that console might be getting it next.

[@CK-pj3cz]

@@Michael-pn4xu we deserve it 100% but blizzard always like to be inclusive,like all the public betas,even for console we’re towards the end, when it was near release,it’s why I’m scared.we really need a merit system to reward those that actually played consistently over the span of these 3 awful years

[@bobbyalexander6806]

After my last comment I decided to continue listening and I partially take it back. Freedo had a lot of very positive and constructive things to say. He won my respect back. Keep up the good work man.

[@nironagendram9501]

Out of curiosity, what was ur last comment like?

[@sulack]

Samito feels a bit over his head conversationally here. Often misrepresenting flats' points, and wandering off into a gish gallop. Don't get me wrong I enjoy his positions, but once you guys give him the limelight he talks forever saying nothing. Flats trys to tank the conversation toward an objective while Samito is getting distracted by 1v1s with people who are not even in the conversation.

[@mistersnake5835]

Regarding the Support balance changes, it was touched on a bit during the podcast but I kind of agree with giving supports more soft CCs (slows, boops, etc.) as part of their kits moving forward as part of the design philosophy of the role. All the hard CCs (aside from Ana's) should be best left with the Tanks.

[@mistersnake5835]

Maybe instead of moving Mei to Tanks (as many people have suggested) perhaps she could work as a support: maybe change Ice Block to have Snowball act as a healing drone, keep the left click slow and scale down her damage, and maybe Wall could also have a passive healing field.

[@oversnackedmedia1726]

20:52 - Until the PVE content hits, OW2 will be received as OW1.1. Unless they added something radical (like a 12 v 12 or a Battle Royale Mode) it's still 2 teams of diverse heroes trying to achieve some sort of geographically centric goal (Control the point, push the payload, push the robot)

[@fonti22]

I am feeling really tired of Blizzard bs. If we really are going to wait till 16th of June just to hear: one new hero and two maps are coming soon I am going to fucking loose my fucking shit.

[@adamkamienski7322]

Lol dude 1 new hero and 2 maps (and hopefully comp) for a 2nd BETA, besides obvious things like balance changes and bringin back older maps (because not all non2cp maps from ow1 were playable) will be colosally huge

[@fonti22]

@@adamkamienski7322 please don't encourage them. 3 heroes should be the bare minimum

[@FGPlus]

That's modern gaming bud. Unlimited time for devs for table scraps for consumers

[@backstabber3537]

One hero and two maps and a unranked mode with competative ruleset is not bad

[@Illusion_media_]

idea what if to make discord and harmony feel more skill reliant we make them skill shots

[@iyxon]

Freedo making the perfect points about support!

[@Drew-fn6rq]

best series on this channel! RIP OW

[@lancefisher8358]

June 16th will be cinematic with new hero announcement

[@bedeviere]

Idk if i just have a bald fetish or what but Freedo's takes always just make so much sense to me. From my view, his rants are some of the least emotionally influenced between the 3 guests, and I always love hearing what he has to say. It always makes me feel like I have a better understanding of the macro of what the hell's going on with overwatch

[@doomknocker]

Definitely, he's a super smart dude. No wonder his youtube channel pops off

[@sxanity]

It was like 8 minute queue times for quick play so comp queue times would be pretty bad

[@Stoeltzenjammer]

I kind of agree with both Freedo and Sam about the Comp argument. Like no the old comp shouldnt be in the beta if they are reworking it, and keeping it a closed beta meant there probably wouldnt have been enough people to get proper tests of a new ranked system. But i do agree that this shouldve been an open beta, and as we move along they shouldve been adding more modes and features gradually, like how they added open que, then maybe now they shouldve added mystery heroes and deathmatch or another arcade mode, then after a few more weeks, we get comp and then they keep adding new things throughout the year. This whole situation is super tricky and I don't know if there will ever be a definitive solution to all this. Blizzard wants to do their thing, and the players are demanding another.

[@khimerapsycho3953]

They should discuss what heroes they think will always be meta

[@RuiMMSousa]

I see SVB debate showing up on my notifications, and always come here because I like the format and enjoy hear Samito perspective on things… never check his yt channel though 😅 I should fix that.

[@geomancer2221]

Compelling points!

[@DrZw0]

Love you guys!

[@defenestrate7544]

Man I want to be on the show debating the casual player feeling. So often I want to counter a point or bring up something not being talked about. For example the Brig talk...no one is talking about how her shield rework gives her more mobility.

[@rusty4265]

A lot of these conversations seem to focus on the viability of OW1 or OW2 as a streaming game. Is that really relevant for the players? I get that the release schedule and beta features can benefit you as streamers, but for most of us out there we just want a fun game with new content and stuff to earn. It really feels like the content creators are largely removed from the motivations of most of the player base. Any time someone on this debate mentions 'the directory' I just kinda roll my eyes.

[@helpless7620]

I keep trying to go back to overwatch 1 but after the beta I can’t even get through a game.

[@shioramenrabbit]

The casual players also want to enjoy their lives. I don't want new skins if the support balance is garbage.... that's like icing a cardboard box instead of a cake ...

[@ElutPesto]

Overall I had so much fun with the beta. I'm a Genji main and I felt like I could actually breathe playing the game for once lol. Besides Genji though most of my playtime goes to Ana and Zen, and I totally agree with the FOMO comment that was made where most likely people weren''t playing support as much because there weren't new things. I felt like a crazy person for a bit because everyone said they hated playing support but I actually PREFER Ana's 5v5 playstyle. To each their own I guess.

[@Jereonn]

hope they will bring the world cup back when OW2 is out

[@thedofflin]

Don't feel bad about asking for all those changes, seeing them implemented and not getting a positive response you expected. All of those changes are absolutely _necessary_ for the long-term health of the game and retention of players, but none of these changes draw players to the game. These suggested changes massively refine the existing game, but they don't make it a new game. They take away stuff rather than add stuff, and people are mostly drawn to novelty so adding tonnes of new stuff is essential to attracting players in the first place.

[@TheNerd]

The Streamers got less viewership because everyone saw the beta and went on. Look at Twitch Stats of the last 6 Years. Hero gets released -> 7 Days Later: Back to normal. It's just how it works. Thats not Blizzards fault. If Bugatti releases a new car they get attention for a couple days and thats it. New shiny stuff is not shiny anymore VERY fast. Stuff like this works in spikes not in rising numbers. More people means bigger numbers and since the beta got played by the existing core fanbase... What do you expect? You guys should know this as professional content creators tbh. Also: The State of the Beta is what it is right now because YOU (the content creators) pressured Blizzard for years to release it. It's your main fault. The general public (aka. the casual) doesn't give af. only a select small few (aka the competitive community who doesnt spend much money anyway) cares. Content creators pressured Blizzard publicly for years to release content and they reacted. If you don't like your present. Yeah thats how Christmas turns out sometimes. Also: Samito himself said: You need a playble game when Overwatch League Starts. You got your playable game. There you have it. Thats what Blizzard can show you. There is no open Beta. We would have it if it was possible for Blizzard.

[@pippo17173]

This is the reason why they get called as shill's and get made fun of.

[@viewtifult]

The majority of the player base doesn't care about comp.

[@borishanusovsky9356]

Gotta make some money to support this goat

[@avatarofdeath]

Flats is right, the supports need to be active and fun. I never saw people complaining support was weak, people complained supports were boring. To SVB's point about new support heroes, a new hero doesn't affect how fun a current hero is. Player 2 getting to slide up walls and heal doesn't make bap more fun. Regenitive Bursts change did not make it any more fun.

[@Hraesvelg]

A comment and a like, great content all. It’s heated because we care

[@malikhallsmith]

i just wanna play comp. thats all we are waiting for. mmr reset or overhaul or take out mmr entirely. let people full stack no matter what rank. you guys are all spot on in this video.

[@iFkNxLegend]

Mercy change took away superjump res, sad times

[@UX2-_-]

nice video loved it

[@thedofflin]

It would be funny if Blizzard simply adopted the "Overwatch 1.1" designation for their marketing, and talked about things as a roadmap towards Overwatch 2 and marked major milestones with a minor version bump. Anyway, what a mess, they better learn from Apex Legends.

[@razerscale3590]

. My main issue with push isn't even about gameplay its about its environment and visual aspect. With payload all the payloads on the different maps, look different and shaped differently. While the push robot and the barriers look exactly the same. I think it'll be really nice if the robot and barriers looked diffrent on diffrent maps. Maybe even replacing the robot with something else completely. It adds alot for the world building and fun of the maps imo if it's not just the same robot and barriers make them unique. Also considering the maps have to be shape wise almost identical on both sides it provides a big challenge for making those places unique. Like some areas are gonna be very hard to make the same shape and feel natural. Like if there's a push map in a dessert it's hard to justify one side of the map having the same layout as the other side. They can do it I have no doubt, but just the fact it exists makes it feel like that place isn't real in a sense you know?

[@iFkNxLegend]

OWL should be top down view with first person replays

[@flcon16]

I feel like the Alpha should have been called the 'Closed Alpha,' and the 1st Beta should have been called the 'Tech Alpha' to better set the expectations for the devs' intentions. Bill this as a limited/exclusive thing to test out a larger public audience, stress test, and give people and exclusive chance to try out the patch the pros are on... Beta coming in a month or two. This beta was in line with Betas I played in the 00's, but the industry has changed what is considered a "Beta" is basically a demo/early access. A lot of Betas back in the day just had one map! I appreciate them keeping it old school, but they need to adjust their terminology. I'm sad for the end of the Beta because I've really been enjoying Doomfist tank. I'm watching OWL and just really dissatisfied in OW1 because I finish watching matches and I want to login and play some Doom, but I don't have access to play that iteration of the hero... I understand why people were so upset about hero pools, because it's essentially like my favorite hero has been banned for at least a month.

[@backstabber3537]

7:54 lmaoooooo

[@nashovoscallando1098]

"babe wake up new svb podcast dropped"

[@Kaos9696]

Maybe for the release of overwatch 2 pve, they should have a sub title. Similar to Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty. Maybe something like Overwatch 2: Omnic Uprising or sth

[@hiphopsingh]

thsnk you

[@IPlayVideoGamesAndNothingElse]

So what’s the point in playing the game if you know your going to be playing comp with and against the same people all the time. That’s the problem I have with the game is if your hard stuck and can’t get out the only answer is buy a new account and try again and I refuse to do that. It is sad when you know what matches you win and lose based on the names of the people that join your matches. In low ranks if you get the same people over and over again then you get a feel of if the match is over before it begains.

[@backstabber3537]

send one of ur replay codes

[@IPlayVideoGamesAndNothingElse]

@@backstabber3537 what you mean? I have played 3-4 matches in the last 2 years. I stopped around season 20 because I learned their was no point in playing the game.

[@jarenagra2804]

i don't think blizzard was ready for a beta yet. their hand was forced by OWL franchises to release something

[@Helpfulchase]

I disagree with a lot of what freedo says…. Not only in this video either. All I got to say is you bring up points about content released being enough but I’ll call bs because they announced over half of the content a yr and in some cases 2 years ago. So when the new shit comes out it doesn’t actually feel so new… like sojourn… it’s cool to finally see the kit but am I sitting like oh yeah that’s a cool new hero I cannot wait to play!!! No… I’ve seen it it looks meh like oh cool we finally get the shit they actually put out in the ethos 2 hrs ago or a year ago… again content drought everything we got we shit we already knew about and have been waiting on over 6months while we continue to get almost no new content and even the skins they make yippee fuckin skippie they changed some colors congratulations…. *Dead slow clap* get us new shit and stop introducing shit we have to wait for we have been waiting 2-3years I mean the game came out 7years ago and we haven’t gotten good content for almost what a 3rd of the games existence. How about a new hero? Now about putting 1 new map on the game? How about you give us what we have been lacking for all this time… not to mention this beta totally fucked comp on overwatch 1 because people play like they don’t even care it’s competitive.

[@michaelpurdon7032]

I think the discussion about supports was people really saying that supports weren't fun although what came out of their mouths is that supports are bad.

[@stout_tv3547]

It's funny listening to this because as a large wow player as well, it's all of blizzards higher ups that need to realize that they need to get with the new standards.

[@bm4604]

Samito out here preaching the real major hot take, which really shouldn't of be a hot take if you think about it.. But I think he nailed it on the head. Above most other problem with the beta, all of them seemingly are tangentially or directly related to the call to make this an especially limited closed beta. I feel like wider content creators space down plays just how tight the beta access and role out actually was. Which is why I'm happy Sam called it out directly I don't want this part to sound like"boo hoo, oh woah is me" but I'm using the anecdote to express a point. I am a player who puts lot of hours into the game, actively consumes overwatch content in 2022. All the creators here occupy my home page semi regularly. I applied for the beta sign up first day it dropped, I watched league matches on my connected KZbin on the ONE day they had drop, plus I'm one of the, few in the, community that will watch the league games for the value of the league games themselves and to watch Platchat. Basically my point is someone like me who already self select themselves herd to be be in the overwatch ecosystem couldn't even get into the beta. Then imagine on a statistical level how many people who are less invested then me, who may of gotten a, second wind passion for the game again, from seeing all the hype around overwatch 2. Just to have have that hype immediately blunted when it hits then that despite the hype still being there around overwatch 2, they Appearently already lost their chance before they even knew they had one Those fans even if they don't just immediately hibernate on overwatch and they stick around to watch overwatch 2 content. Since they are in the perspective of the jaded squidward watching SpongeBob and Patrick have all this supposed fun with the beta. They are much more likely be receptive to that "whatever, doesn't even look that special, just overwatch 1.1" take. The content creators hyping things up and being like"we finally eating good boys,beta keys, get your beta keys here" that messaging did not match the reality of the actual role out of said beta. That's a fumble on the behalf of the shot calling decisions at the top.

[@IPlayVideoGamesAndNothingElse]

Samito needs to learn the difference between a customer and a consumer in this industry. Customers are buying products and trying to get the value they pay for out of them. Consumers is what the industry wants. A large group that purchases the product and they have no sway over the product because it is dominated consumers that will buy the product without question. We have to force the industry to see us as customers that demand better products that crap like this.