The Great October Debate feat. Samito, Spilo & Freedo

[@GroupUp]

This episode was recorded on 14th October 2024. Podcast links below! If you're enjoying this content, why not let SVB know on his stream (www.twitch.tv/svb_ ) The best way to support the podcast is still www.patreon.com/svb Soundcloud: soundcloud.com/ow_svb/the-great-october-debate Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/6sRWutKTc0gnWuguo62Vpa Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/svbs-group-up/id1490256265

[@endless_del]

samito impression scoring: freedo had the most accurate wording, spilo had the cadence down perfect, and SVB nailed the tired pre-rant sigh. great job team!

[@TrevorTanke]

This has been one of the best, if not the best group up podcast I’ve listened to. I’m not sure why, because I usually tend to not like some of the cast members but everybody was very respectable, minimal interrupting, and had some extremely good discussions today. Listened while I grocery shopped. Thank you gentleman this was a great start to my morning

[@LeSobaMask]

I actually read the whole book. I think the glamourization of Blizzard as a whole is very misguided as it's clear that even from day one there were internal issues. There is also a section about Kaplan's philosophy "crawl, walk, run" which for Overwatch it meant that for the first game they would focus on the pvp, for the second game they would focus on pve and story and finally for the third game they would focus on transitioning the game into an MMORPG. I think that Overwatch being born from the embers of Titan was actually the start of the problems. Titan had cost Blizzard 80 million and Team 4 was tasked to somehow salvage something. From the very beginning they had a vision for Overwatch and didn't realize that they needed to continue to develop and innovate the game they and the one the fans wanted rather than sticking with their original vision. We loved OW1 and wanted more of that. By 2017 Team 4 was already thinking about OW2.

[@pippo17173]

People who only blames the current team with Aron keller for OW2 being terrible never stop to think how all those issues came to be in the first game even when 6v6 was the better format.

[@Kanggaxx]

Aaron himself came out and spoke about the ''crawl walk run'' years ago

[@LeSobaMask]

@@Kanggaxxyep. Kaplan was a great guy with great ideas. A true visionary who was respected by everyone. Unfortunately the gaming-sphere suddenly changed and he didn’t adapt. Shame really.

[@Shzl47]

The instant dismissal of their runaway hit is such a travesty. Thank you for the money and successes, we'll see you in 7 years for a sequel, no more major updates, please leave us alone to do our cooking.

[@ducasse8473]

I think the glamorization of people in general is kind of wild. Like.....why? People are people. Why are we surprised that Jeff and other people screwed up here and there? Their games were literally NEVER perfect.

[@nietbarkie1380]

2:24:27 Spilo adressing the delay after using sojourn railgun is such a relieve. As a sojourn main it made me happy that finnaly someone acknowledge sojourns last biggest issue. Its a really annoying and stupid mechanic. The delay after railing NEEDS to be removed

[@piecksupreme]

29:12 just isn't true, warframe has been doing devstreams for the past 11 years and still going. It's one of the main pillars of communication that the devs have with their community. Though to be fair, Jeff DEFINITELY popularized it. I remember being excited each time one dropped.

[@Rippies]

It's the problem that their engagement in gaming news clearly starts at 2014 or 2016 and beyond. Halo arguably breached gaming into the mainstream and League popularized esports well before OW. Lootboxes were popularized with CSGO and TF2 or even arguably the gacha mechanic from Maplestory. It's just bad gaming history on their part.

[@CypherOfSolace]

"Hi I'm Chris Wilson from Grinding Gear Games" Yeah I feel like they forgot about path of exile not that there's any genre overlap for hero shooter and ARPGs but GGG does do the CEO addressing the community dev show.

[@ironman1458]

@@CypherOfSolace Now that you guys mention this I swear even other blizzard games were doing this kind of stuff before overwatch, hearthstone had a "jeff kaplan" type figure named ben brode in its primary years

[@gnomad3143]

based svb with the class consciousness

[@nepifys]

Gonna go out on a limb and say 6v6 is gonna get yapped about

[@aaronolson6736]

Do you one better, it comes up during Ram's nerf

[@Atlacatt]

Do you one better, not being locked to 2-2-2 will make ppl yap

[@AbbyAZK]

I LOST IT OVER THE SVBMITO, HILARIOUS IMPRESSIONS OML

[@Garry-y7b]

Hey I know this guy

[@nidhishshivashankar4885]

It’s the dude

[@UncleJemima]

@@AbbyAZK 😲 THAT'S A PRO GENJI

It's sad that the only presence Overwatch had in film were three Tracer scenes in Ready Payer One. ^^

[@Tayleron]

Omg, an X-COM styled Overwatch game would go so hard! The characters and abilities are already right there, the tactics, the ults, the opposing forces, conflicting storylines, the Homebase, the global scope, everything is right there.

[@Nynzy]

Marvel's Midnight Suns showed it could be done, and done damn well to boot - whether or not you like the game their combat system was fantastic~

[@Dizzy205]

seems like freedo has return to his senses. i feel like the last few times ive seen him hes been very condescending to everyone. glad to see productive conversations

[@thepoofster2251]

All these guys are friends and they talk in a content creator discord all the time. I think the condescending feeling is just frustration with the game, not anything personal. Don't read too far into social interactions when it comes to content creators

[@annamay420]

@@thepoofster2251he was still being mad fucking annoying then

[@Jereonn]

nah Sam and Freedo are buddies... no one forces them to be on this podcast together, they just bud heads sometimes

[@CaptainCandle]

Spilo, Sam, and Freedo. This gonna be a blast!

[@austinm223]

Flats /:

[@AzureVoltic]

Yay samito, king of awful takes

[@noahdtdog9082]

@@AzureVolticman I’ll be nice but you’re just objectively wrong

[@professordantehs]

​@noahdtdog9082 great approach man I'm gonna steal this

[@jonnybravo473]

Can do without Freedo

[@Flarios55]

It's beyond unnatural how much bad news this game gets, it's honestly impressive.

[@lyrch4803]

It needs more tbh 😈

[@laughingnotlooking]

@28:19 "Got to take a second to remember what year it is because... I'm... F*cking time". -SVB

[@entertainmenttonight5049]

2:31:00 "Ana sleeping Genji is awesome" -- "Sombra waiting for Sigma ult is lame" -- what if the hack and the virus were combined? that the virus projectile would initiate hack on the target? you would need to still hit your shot from some range and you could still suzu if it started hacking you when it hit.

[@elhubro2386]

counterpicking is not a high rated issue. they counterpick in every quickplay match nowadays. i get counterpicked on my lowest account after one lost teamfight, even if the enemy team is hi up. and not only tank counter tank, mostly whole team counters tank, IF you do well on tank.

[@Shatamx]

Huh? You see a ton of counter picking in high ranks as well. Just not at the support role. DPS and tank for sure do.

[@pedizdediz5751]

Even if i do bad on tank they just counter pick me bcs they lost the fight and think its all bcs if the tank

[@All4Kanye69]

I disagree with freedo’s take on a rein beating ram in lower rank. If two gold tanks on even skill play Ram V Rein, the Ram will win 9/10 times, in my experience as a high silver/low gold tank

[@Garry-y7b]

Yeah it’s higher up where reins team will pick bastion, ana or something to counter ram where rein will win more often. Lower skilled players don’t understand a lot of his value is the pin off a flank to pick a support, they’ll leave you to die after you do and say your 1v5ing.

[@Ajaylix]

Well, now Rein could contest easier against Ramattra, though. At least the match up being more easier

[@xaro9873]

​@Ajaylix ya and ram can still screw rein if the other team is bad, as he will crit his now weaker shield to non existence

[@wizzzer1337]

Metal ranks Reins are psychologically either too agro or too timid.

[@austinm223]

LOL Rein gets destroyed by Ram in Plat & below. No question!

[@WhatsaTsurt]

19:55 this is why I can't take Freedo seriously. He will say stuff like "I'm the only overwatch creator that thought about Power Creep".... Like what? That was a huge concern in the community for the longest time.

[@ThatGuy-em2yl]

Peak I was surprised when Sam left and three more showed up

[@akai_shuichi_x]

Love these 3, but would like to see some more faces on the podcast we haven't heard from before!

[@mycelia_ow]

Like who? Imagine if they had Metro on lmao.

[@Middaylantern]

TLDR; - It's not fair to criticize Kaplan without hearing his side and being objective - PVE games are easier to add PVP to but PVP games are much harder to turn into PVE games - OW2 should have been a hero-based looter shooter DR: I think it's not fair to jump to any conclusions about how things went without hearing Kaplan's side on this. Hearing the story from those who stayed and benefited from Kaplan's departure seems a bit shady to me. Considering how big the PVE was supposed to be, it seems like Overwatch 2 was forced to be a replacement of OW1 instead of being a separate game. When you look at what it takes to make successful PVE game, there are a lot of things that have to go right: atmosphere, lighting, character progression, solid enemy AI, and more. OW2 was doomed to fail because it was forced to also incorporate the PVP components. It's very difficult to make a PVP game into a PVE game, but it is much easier to create a PVE game first, then add PVP elements. Games like Destiny and Warframe prove that trying to make a PVE game into a PVP game is a herculean task. It's a nightmare to balance without stripping away all of the character progression and focusing purely on the core gameplay which could work in theory. The point I'm making here is that OW: PVE would have been a great stand-alone title if it didn't cannibalize OW1. Both games could have continued to exist with separate balancing strategies and then when the eventual 3rd game would come out they can see how they can blend the two components to make a game that was really interesting. I don't think the story of OW: PVE is over yet and I think the game still has a lot of potential to realize the vision they had from the beginning if they can be humble.

[@Westbrook__]

750 wins is egregious as fuck for top 500. 300-400 wins would’ve gotten the same job done of detering alt accounts without pushing whole main accounts out

[@rusty4265]

47:42 Spilo is correct here. OW just doesn’t make sense as a PvE game. Destiny makes sense for PvE. They would’ve had to make OW into some kind of Destiny-lite type of game. Could that work? Maybe after years of development and iteration plus environment and encounter design. But trying to pigeonhole the PvP cast directly into a PvE game was bound to fail IMO. Even just from an art direction standpoint I don’t think OW PvE would be very appealing … and they have the best art in the PvP space.

[@Shatamx]

It did make sense imo. They spent an entire blizz con talking about it. I know we all forgot. Basically the anniversary events but longer with more dept. However the new engine was giving them issues at the start. Plus the BP was the #1 first priority.

[@ironman1458]

" Maybe after years of development and iteration plus environment and encounter design." So maybe after..... what they had. They literally had 4 years before ow2 launched and 6 seasons of ow2 developing it lol. When you guys say "maybe if they had years" THEY DID. They've literally started working on this 6 years ago or some thing lol. Its completely reasonable for them to make a "destiny lite" in that time frame, the ONLY problem is how the projects were managed. Any other "pve doesn't make sense for overwatch" "it was a stupid idea" is 100% absolute bs. They had the time and resources to make a great pve, for some reasons we probably will never really have the full picture they failed completely at that. Maybe its Jeff, maybe it was covid, maybe it was work from home, maybe it was Kotick. Its easy to criticize jeff for not wanting to bring more people onto the team when they clearly needed more people, but you don't know what bringing more people would actually look like under activisions boot. Maybe they would not know wtf is going on just be hired to shit out low effort content. I do with agree with you it was foolish to just make the current pvp team start working on the pve with o maintenance team for overwatch 1 but spilo is just simping for the current devs so he can keep doing his little interviews trying to push all blame off onto jeff when we don't have the full story just some book from some random guy trying to push a narrative (yes jason's book is literally pushing a narrative freedo even says it himself the book was written to show that "its more complicated than we think, you cant just blame X or Y person" aka all the evidence he got had to purposefully be moulded to fit that narrative, he is biased and rather than benefitting from just unbiased showing the evidence and unfiltered truth he is seeking to diretly profit off of pushing a specific narrative, not saying everything he says is bs just needs to be taken critically)

[@RunicSoulEater]

32:30 A key part of what Freeddo is talking about here to me is how in game, in first person, it is immedietly visable that there heroes are different as SOON a you spawn in and your visual on the world changes based on that heroes height. I dont think i can name another even semi competitive shooter that has such varying models

[@beingbag2606]

Holy shit SVB popping off with the class consciousness

[@adamhernandez7626]

I know, he should really lean into the leftist angle more on his second channel. We see you SVB🙌 we wanna hear more

[@monolith626]

Hell yea, shout out to our class struggle brothers!

[@Mehno97]

Wasnt he always pretty left leaning?

[@joshuafruth6420]

​@Mehno97 I've always got that vibe from him

[@thepoofster2251]

​@@adamhernandez7626 If you want politics, then go watch politics. Don't beg someone to inject politics into media for entertainment. That mentality is part of what has divided the world so much

[@ninthfriend3347]

I can understand Jeff's vision for adding PvE in OW2. Many people, even the outsiders who don't play the game, love the IP due to the universe it sets in and most importantly, the heroes. He wanted to create a game that tells the story for these heroes and the universe, to add more depth to them that the players can experience. I would've wanted that, it's the main reason that I stuck with the game because I really love the heroes in this game. Most favorite out of all is Tracer for me. It feels amazing to see heroes developments throughout Overwatch lifespan. The heroes is what makes Overwatch...Overwatch. I would really want to see more efforts for these to the heroes we have now which is why a show is necessary. Obviously it has to be good like LoL's Arcane and Cyberpunk's Edgerunner for example.

[@AarPlays]

Solution: Hack now is a part of virus, moved to right click Translocator is now on E Stealth on shift. Now translocator and invisible aren't linked.

[@zc8673]

Imagine an OW game in the style of Brawl Stars. It would still maintain the vast majority of mechanics and gamemodes from OW, while capturing the same chaotic glory of OW. Plus, BS could use a good competitor.

[@blank_ivysaur]

are you thinking of heroes of the storm?

[@JordanYee]

I'll be honest, I was pretty livid to hear that they actually had the opportunity to expand into multiple teams working on Overwatch and actively rejected it. When Keller first opened up about the crawl, walk, run philosophy, he massively underplayed how much hubris this team had, thinking they could support all the things _they wanted to do_ while insisting on doing it with one team.

[@buffhorses3632]

And if they had multiple teams and the focus and creativity wasn't there we would have complained that there were too many too cooks in the kitchen. The more variables you put into an equation the more chances you have for something to fail or lose the original vision. Imo the original sin of overwatch was they wanted to make game hard then easy. Going from dive meta to moth to goats was what drove people away from the game, not brought more people into the game. The numbers show it. I've always said that the exact point in time when the game started going down was the when mercy got reworked in season 6.

[@Mikuroko69]

Im surprised during the "rushed development" part of the discussion, no one talked about the fact that there was literally only 3 new heroes on launch... And 2 of them were playable in the beta leaving only 1 of the 3 go be completely new. That should've been a clear dead giveaway that this game was unpolished and unfinished.

[@KeanuChrist]

If Overwatch made a BR mode, it would be as popular as Concord. Why would people quit playing Fortnite, Warzone, or Apex to play Overwatch BR? They wouldn’t.

[@333Abs]

As a support player yeah we get stuck in ranks by trying to play “good” support. However the best thing you can do to rank up is do damage and especially flank / off angle. You’ll get flamed by your team but you’ll climb once you get good at it.

[@ghosteeniesmith6219]

i was 100% flabbergasted overwatch 2 went free to play.

[@Creddz69]

I wasn't. Once fortnite came out I knew it was inevitable

[@CSM-I0I]

I feel like this podcast will be the chronicles of overwatch downfall left on the internet for the whole world to see. 😢

[@peterventola5473]

Low key, they could make the sickest zombies game mode if they really wanted with replayability in mind

[@sakitoshi]

they have ow2 working on switch. phones are more powerful than the switch even when it launched.

[@Coachteach]

You know what stops one shots?? 6v6 2 tanks. That's why no one complained about this in ow1. Cos you could have one shots in the game for the hero identities and they werent as oppressive, it took skill to do

[@Squip_]

freedo liking asmonglod.........

[@jamiedandy8311]

LOL fr

[@bjornivarcooldood542]

both white men in their 30s who grew up on blizz games. its a recipe for disaster

[@edoge14352]

Honestly I thought Samito said VR at first and not BR and it had me confused because they were saying it was accessible haha. It does make me wonder how an Overwatch VR game would do. I think in the future once VR does become more mainstream/accessible Overwatch would be fantastic for it.

[@e10gold]

1:51:58 gonna be fr as someone who likes both Naruto and MHA, they have all the same exact problems when it comes to the pacing, lacking stakes, undoing consequences, benching side characters, and power creep. And my hot take is og Naruto is leagues better than Shippuden. Regarding the actual MHA skins, they’re fine but disappointing. Feels like the team hasn’t actually watched the show and were just given some stock images to base the skins on (probably the case tbh). Tons of missed opportunities to use more fitting characters or even just more creative iterations of the ones they did use.

[@actionmarco8556]

The crickets after Spilo's joke ...

[@musicxxa6678]

hot take: turn nemesis 300 armor bonus to white hp instead but make his block cc immune like orisa fortify and then buff his damage little bit across the board. punch 65 to 70, staff 5 to 5.5, ult either 30 to 40 and make it ignore the barrier. it does extremely low damage right now. so very little dmg buffs overall that doesn't harm any breakpoint. also make his barrier and vortex cast time little faster. they are extremely clunky. so end result no longer barrier pierce, no longer armor, high skill ceiling and more fun/versatile hero. actually, rather than staff damage, buffing staff firerate would be better. it would help ranged accuracy.

[@odinsartchannel8452]

coach ocie needs to be on the podcast someday!

[@actionmarco8556]

GUYS, SPILO GOT A MIC!!!

[@RunicSoulEater]

1:02:00 Comrade SVB PREACH

[@stock6600]

I see Samito on: oh, this will be interesting I see Spilo: oh, this will be a great one, actually I see Freedo: AAUUUUGGGGHHHH

[@UncleJemima]

@@stock6600 no ill will torward the guy, but he seems to have rolled a 3 on both insight and charisma

[@eagerinspirit]

freedo has some good points sometimes but he might be the most socially inept person they bring on the podcast. genuinely insane how abrasive he can be at times

[@dane8176]

anyone got the link for spilos music?? 😂

[@MaxCtPe]

they could very well have a seperate team make an overwatch gacha game

[@joshuafruth6420]

I'm feeling second hand catharticism and I'm here for it lol

[@papparob6385]

Has it become too much of a cosmetic simulator? I remember answering a survey back around February, I think. The majority of the questions around the game's content dealt w/cosmetics and what kept me playing at that time was cosmetics because honestly, that was the only content ow had going for it. Looking at the present state and what do we see a constant focus on delivering cosmetics, taking the focus away from the foundational issues.

[@notoriousshizzane2696]

Sam must have nightmares of support... Brig was made cause dive was absolutely owning. Moria's whole orb consept was to pass shields, plus her ult. Kirko is a little of an outliar I suppose, but I personally like her design and suzu isn't that broken (maybe heal a little less). The move to 5v5 make support have to play more aggressive in damage to win. Healbotting is boring, and you have Lifewever/Mecy who are more focused to that anyway. Game has been feeling fine lately (Ramattra/Sombra are a little weird I'll admit). I'm very curious of this new tank and to how they will shake up the meta. Only worries I have on OW2 is what is next?

[@Nyxtia]

Not spilomito blaming the supports for Vietnam 😭

[@toxic_icecream]

I'd disagree with Spilo on ow pve. If I remember his background correctly, overwatch is his first shooter game. I on the other hand prior to ow had a vast experience playing many different shooter, mainly pve, games. I didn't play junkenstein when it first cam oute. But Uprising was one of the best pve experiences I've ever had. Hard to beat, perfectly balanced around characters, requiring teamplay. The only people saying it was bad can be people that don't like pve in general. Then the experiences go downwards. Retribution was not as good but held the mark. Uprising event was rerolled but it wasn't the same, because throughout the year there were balance changes to the heroes and the mission itself was not changed accordingly. What I am saying is that maybe some of these guys played these missions a year/years later so you should take these opinions with a grain of salt.

[@CoachSpilo]

i'll spice it up because it's a podcast and debate is fun, but yeah enjoying pve is pretty subjective- I just never found Overwatch's pve particularly engaging, but that's just my cup of tea.

[@ElmoRitter]

calling the uprising event “one of the best pave experiences” is the hottest overwatch take i’ve ever heard like fr

[@thepoofster2251]

How to say "ignore my opinion" without actually saying it

[@Shatamx]

@@CoachSpilo TBF it was bare bones slapped in an event. If actual effort and time was spent it would 1000% be way more engaging.

[@LateCloser]

I liked the video, because of the sixmito impersonation. Well done.

[@BlazeD_7]

Spilo anime arc incoming

[@Zyborgg]

I don't get why they had the "hide hero swap on scoreboard for 15 seconds". 15 seconds is a veeery long time. If they want this change maybe have it at 5s or 10s MAX. Like sam brings up. Some heroes will get a huge advantage from this change like widow and sombra. Sure it changes the tank matchup so you have to pick a "safe" tank that won't get hard countered but I don't know if it will help the gameplay experience.

[@noahodum9737]

Major thoughts: The T500 changes suck. Simply put. It's aimed at thinning out the alt accounts taking up space on the leaderboard, but this is better solved with more active decay removing them from the list automatically as they aren't played on. 750 lifetime wins is a lot, and I have friends that are current top500 sitting in GM2/gm1 that have 400 lifetime wins on their main account, with 100 or so lifetime on each alt that they have. These people will not be eligible for top500, even though they'll be playing with everyone else in top500, they just won't be rewarded for their effort (on their main account) and have already talked about quitting the game over this. There are also plenty of questions to ask.. if I am newish to the game, put a focused effort into comp, learning and growing as a player, and get to champion rank, I can't be on the top500 leaderboard simply because I haven't been around long enough to rack up 750 lifetime competitive wins? Take myself for example - I play on average 3-400 games per season, I win roughly 55% of those games putting me at 220 wins for one season. It would take me four seasons to be eligible for top500 at that rate, which is an average of 7 games per day every day with no breaks throughout the season. Hero swaps: This does not solve the issue, and actually does the opposite of what they want which is safeguarding the counterswapper. This is less of an issue the higher up you go, but more of an issue in gold/plat/diamond where people meta sweat super hard and genuinely counterswap on cd. Most players lose a fight, and will think they should swap heroes instead of reevaluating how they are approaching fights. You will often see this where one tank will die and immediately swap, the second tank will win the fight and retreat to spawn and counterswap the swap. It's frequent enough that I'm confident in saying it's occuring in at least 30% of my games diamond and lower. This change helps the counterswapper by not allowing the opposing tank to counterswap the counterswapper, making this current strat unviable, and adding power to the counterswapper, who is now protected for 15 seconds. This also does not fix the issue of counterswapping every death, which is the more serious issue. This prevents a niche case of toxic gameplay loop that occurs very rarely.

[@DragneelXx]

No bro ur stupid it’s not 750 wins to get the top500 icon it’s only for the streamer mode learn how to read it only takes 25 games now to qualify for top500 instead of 50

[@bull_ow]

People never played hots because there were better moba's to play, why would people play a Ow br if Apex/fortnite already exist.

[@FDE4L]

You guys don’t want these types of characters, but I mean they’re literally what makes the game. MOBA meets a hero team shooter

[@Kanggaxx]

This game is not a MOBA. Deadfire or whatever that Valve game is called is a hero shooter MOBA

[@Amy_399]

@@Kanggaxx deadlock :)

[@FDE4L]

@@Kanggaxx this game was always advertised as a mix of moba abilities meets a shooter.

[@mckookie2967]

The game is an Fps at its core. You can tell how good the health of the game is by how viable 76 is.

[@warlordapollyon2754]

Huuuge win for the bleach shout out from Sam. I looooove the way they redid a lot of the original score for tybw. Goat anime frfr ong

[@MonkeyDLuffy-lp4qz]

With bap they really should just switch his ult and lamp, make lamp higher health and a wider circle. Make amp matrix a slim rectangle doorway and tone down the damage to like +15%. Then just replace shift with a new ability that's interesting. Or just put exo boots on shift with a cool down and give it some more horizontal movement

[@lexington.]

I think an avenue for Sombra that should be explored is her 4th wall break potential. For example, instead of outright blocking ability usage, hack could interfere with the information given to the hacked player regarding their abilities. Your health bar gets hacked, your cooldown timers, etc. all get the Sombra treatment to reduce information players have at their disposal, whilst not removing them from the board entirely. The visuals can also be a source of anxiety for hacked players as well. The mind games involved for Sombra players improves also as they need to choose their hack timing to coincide with the target hero's cooldown timers.

[@chukadoo1871]

this is much funner than just turning off abilities. my idea was randomizing the ability keys. hack should make the player vulnerable, but taking away abilities just isn't fun, especially when the hacker -is near undetectable and- has high follow-up potential. oh she's not permavisible anymore, that's great, but hacks still never been in a good spot

[@kielmessersmith1956]

The only big criticism I have about this groups takes on the ftp model, and the overly cosmetic focused direction of the game is that all of these guys get the skins for free. So of course none of you are going to have a nuanced and objective take on Blizzards greed. The truth is, the monetization is above and beyond scummy.

[@coolshirtkid]

best guest lineup yet!

[@Arise_Darkness]

i wish they did bleach and gave genji ichigo so when he ult he yells out getsuya gensho

[@FancyDakota]

36:00 So why make a career out of it? If you know that they weren't interested in a competitive side for the game, why would anyone even continue in that direction? It's the same with Dead by Daylight, BHVR tried one and made it obvious afterwards that they aren't interested in taking the game in that direction, so why do people still try to make something out of it? Sounds like a player problem to me.

[@bluestar4488]

The my hero disservice is crazy. Where are all the Naruto collabs if it’s so much better?

[@Sillyman588]

Found the MHA fan

[@FuzzyDovely]

Great podcast. It's pretty quiet.

[@Dwarfstin]

Man you gotta stop putting freedo in these, dude is clearly uninterested not paying attention half the time and has no valid input on anything

[@DESPAIR_714]

Samito smiling on the thumbnail is actually uncanny💀

[@魚-c3d]

Damn Spilo and SVB nailed the Samito impression. SVB's facial expressions were on point lmfao. For the patch notes it's mostly disappointed, most of them are underwhelming and don't address the characters' issues in a fun and thoughtful way. The Sombra rework is not really the direction I wanted for her, she's just gonna be even more assassin oriented with less utility. Reducing hack's duration means nothing because the hack + virus combo is still her biggest strength.

[@KingOfNebbishes]

Jeff wanted to lower the skill requirement because he wanted to bring in a new wave of non-FPS veterans to beef the player numbers, similar to how in 2016 a ton of people who didn't play shooters or only played them casually fell in love with the game. Samito's complaint is coming from a pro's perspective who doesn't care about popularity of the game as long as the game is tailored to their requirements. Jeff's ideas are coming from a place where moving more units and having more players is more important than pleasing the 1%. No wonder Samito hated him. I also can't believe that people say "There's no way you can't be free to play" when a cosmetics store can be implemented no matter if you pay for the game or not and still make money hand over fist. Pros don't buy skins, casuals do.

[@noahodum9737]

This has been disproven with research, on average higher skilled players who devote more time to the game spend more money on each game by about 40%. There are just usually a lot more casual players than hardcore players. A casual paying 20$ for a battlepass and maybe a skin every few months is nowhere close to the hardcore player buying the BP every season and every major skin release or collaboration pack. It's orders of magnitude larger spend per player as a function of time spent playing the game.

[@Shzl47]

Aaron Kellar confirmed during the "Hero Mode is dead" blog post that the PvE didn't do well during internal and limited external playtesting. No one liked it enough to release. It was simply not fun; is the feedback they got.

[@noahodum9737]

Well yeah - D4 also failed every internal playtest but kotick forced them to release

[@imfamouswarrior2976]

Goated group

[@SnuSnu91]

no

[@Samuraithekid]

Great Samito impressions all around

[@Ajoi14]

It really sucks to be a Sombra main, all of my hours on the hero is me learning her.... 😮‍💨

[@UTgohan]

The guy who can’t stop talking about 6v6(Sam) plus everyone else should be a fun video :)

[@NathanNGM]

Drinking game: take a shot every time Freedo says "let's say". My boy has been listening to a lot of Jordan Peterson I think.

[@kingvalor8265]

I bet there will be huge overwatch advancements down the line. I just hope I’m not geriatric when they come :(

[@lavitz3045]

One piece mentioned 🙏

[@DriplessShrimp]

Now people are done with live service. Bring back boxes!

[@MrGrombie]

And yet no LFGs...

[@thepoofster2251]

You mean looking for group? That's never coming back, no one used it

[@fullnelson4986]

​@@thepoofster2251wrong

[@thepoofster2251]

@@fullnelson4986 they said they aren't bringing it back in a dev blog I'm pretty sure. They cited that the group's made usually disbanded after a single loss and that the vast majority didn't use it. It's gone, no one used it, it's not coming back

[@MrGrombie]

@thepoofster2251 They said the same thing about 6v6. Don't believe anything this dev team says. The feature was good. Yes you will have a leaver. But that also happens in game. But I can tell you that ANY game with a team full of mics trying to actually communicate is a WAYYYYYYYY better experience for the user. And arguably how the game is meant to be played. Rather than this solo dolo type of behavior the community seems to believe is the right play. Hence pro teams being way better than comp teams. 🎤 ⬇️

[@MrGrombie]

@@fullnelson4986 agreed. I used the feature all the time in setting up teams.

[@Waywurd08]

Why don’t they just update the workshop and add all the pve stuff to the workshop in seasonal waves as they finish/convert them to the workshop???

[@Drago-gc5ej]

Freedo hardly talked and decided to play on his phone several times. Seems like an uninterested or distracted guest. Was excited to see the cast, flop episode though. One of freedo's go-to arguments is that the community "needs to change their perspective on this one" or "The community doesn't know what an optimal counterpick is". Furthermore, how rude is it when you're having a conversation with others sit and listen to you, the second another person opens their mouth you cackle with laughter and bury your face in your phone.

[@thetoroboros]

sam, spilo😍 fine Freedo, you can come too... jkjk love Freedo and his hot takes. another great one SVB!!

[@strawberrydialectics]

freedos analogies just dont make sense half the time @19:40

[@ElmoRitter]

there’s no analogy there fyi so that’s probably why it doesn’t make sense lol

[@AnimeOtaku56.]

1:32:00 the major feature is definitely pickable passives. We’ve had multiple playtests of different pickable changes for each character.

[@MaxCtPe]

wait wait 5 out of the 6 years went to the pve and the pve was still a unfinished mess? wtf

[@kayanono]

I wonder of people will finally stop acting like jeff kaplan was overwatch jesus

[@runaway74]

Glad Custard hasn't been invited back in a while

[@nobu97xy]

There is a mobile game wich is similar to ow2. It's called T3 Arena. I could imagine ow mobile would be smth like this.

[@kristincatuogno9450]

I’m going to continue to comment on this until someone gives me a valid answer. Why the fuck are we so obsessed with Netflix? Literally there are so many other platforms that could host a wide variety of tv or film series for the Blizzard games. Just look at HBO with the Last of Us or Prime with Fallout. Not only that of it was an issue of money or getting funding for releasing something on their platforms. Blizzard Entertainment Studios literally still exists to this day. It has done absolutely nothing since it’s inception. Why are those people on payroll? They literally have producers from Disney and Stacy Sher literally produced Tarantino films. They can literally make them themselves and sell it later in a festival circuit if they have to. I’ve been in the film industry for 10 years. Corpa lawsuits is no excuse for this clear un interest for having a tv or film series for Blizzard IPs.

[@uraldum]

literally literally

[@hoolly]

btw if you want to hire a new team for a already late project - look into the wiki for brooks law second - nobody will optimize their heroes although they are champ - cause everybody makes fails its kinda insane and stupid (sorry to say that) and also ignorant if freedo says all the players not optimize their heroes (but he not)

[@waynetec13]

Perhaps I misread the thing about Jeff rejecting the extra employees, because the impression I got was that Bobby wanted to beef up the crew, because he wanted Call of Overwatch, a yearly cash grab, and Jeff was resisting THAT. I'm not sure how resisting shovel ware makes him a bad guy. I'd rather OW die outright than become some shitty yearly filler shooter game, personally.

[@rizaadon]

Overwatch 2 is basically the same as that though, it might not be releasing a "new game" every year but it's the same slop "content" (skins)... and it exists this way because Jeff and the old team couldn't let go of Titan. Overwatch 2 being released early and the PvE getting cancelled also happened because Jeff didn't want to expand the dev team and they couldn't justify keeping Overwatch live since it wasn't making any money... because there was no content and shit balance due to there being no dev team to focus on its development...

[@LeSobaMask]

There is a section in the book that details that team 4 was worried about overwatch becoming annualized. One big issue with Overwatch was that it was a game made at a company that one: always released games when they were ready rather than sticking to a hard deadline, and two: for the most part followed up with sequels. Ow2 missed 2 deadlines apparently. 2020 and 2021 although 2020 didn’t seem like a hard deadline. Samito more or less said it. The game was doomed to failed. Either corporate greed would milk it dry or misguided passion would take the game to places that fanbase never wanted. The latter is obviously what happened.

[@FrancesQuintina-i5z]

Sean Brook

[@publicsafetyhazard]

can't wait for the comments about sam vs freedo 😴

[@Strife-]

Sam is back = no watch

[@YearsPast]

SO THAT IS ESAM??

[@leonsqueezy8691]

They cooked Sami boi at the end 😂