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[@SirLuquent]

I love Pat's point "In Japan, High School is most people's last bastion of personal freedom...unless you become a criminal, and that leads to the Yakuza games."

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

Yakuza prequel where you get to trash school bullies as 13 year old kiryu?

[@digitalbooklett9357]

When a Persona character says "I want more power" it's a sympathetic/empathic moment because you know the depths of their struggle When an SMT character says "I want more power" you instantly look at what prompted them to say it and realize they're about to be a cosmic plaything that a God (Law or Chaos) takes advantage of to fuel Armageddon.

[@anenemystand5582]

"Oh no they're about to commit a war crime" moment

[@Mr.Faust3]

Persona is naruto SMT is Griffith

[@Shadest]

In persona you see a character say it and go "oh cool looks like my next party member". In smt you see it and go "oh im gonna have to kill you later".

[@MUGENanaya]

@@Mr.Faust3 Persona is Nero SMT is Vergil

[@bloodyidit4506]

Kinda like in real life. If someone says that kind of shit they usually ain't depressed kids.

[@2deep5u]

4:33 IIRC there's a bit in P2 : Eternal Punishment (a game where almost every playable character is an actual adult) where after you finish a certain dungeon you are suddenly all by yourself because everyone realized that they have to go to work tomorrow and they just leave the party because they don't have the time or energy to keep hanging out with you afterward. It's kind of nice that the game has the courage to do that to you, to not act as if the entire universe and everyone in it revolves around your character.

[@chrisbroad2689]

Nothing will ever compare to the quiet conversation on the train in that game as to whether life gets easier as you get older. Scene hit me like a truck

[@JackgarPrime]

Eternal Punishment is so fucking good. Where is our P2 Complete for Switch, ATLUS?!

[@1337w334b00]

In Persona 3 there are days where your party members can't go into Tartarus because Yukari has Archery, Akihiko has boxing, etc. Junpei will sometimes just fuck off to play video games or watch movies at the movie theater and I honestly felt the absence of party members having lives outside of you in P4 and P5 especially. Like, how the fuck is Yosuke, a shift manager at Not-Walmart able to sneak off for hours at a time to do dungeon crawling? The only one who makes sense to always be available is Chie because she's the only one who seems to have zero obligations outside of school and the most she does outside of the party is occasionally hangout with Kou and the Basketball club (Teddie works at Junes to pay for his expensive appetite so even Teddie is busy).

[@patrickloureiro351]

@@1337w334b00 I legitimately hope they go back to the p3 style of your party members having more agency from your main character, and for the love of god don't tie their character development to their social links therefore making their character resolutions optional.

[@hacooray525]

@@patrickloureiro351 this. the reason why i love P3 is despite the fact that all of them live in the same dorm, everyone do have their own life and actually keep their distance with each other awkwardly for almost the entire game like troubled teenagers they are

[@LieutoriSestina]

Woolie is getting tired of high school in Japan and I feel like he only has seen a mere fraction of a fraction of all the Japanese high school set pieces of media. That's just how prevalent that setting is.

[@profeseurchemical]

i was getting sick of highschool media IN highschool. japan is fucked

[@NachtKaiser666]

And this is how Pat's comparison to the Yakuza series hits. Nagoshi really struck gold by making what is essentially an adult oriented shounen based on alternate life choices instead of aiming for the nostalgia bait. I mean, I can relate to both in a way, I'm also a Montrealer in my mid thirthies who gamed most of my life. Sure I had more free time in high school, but I don't miss any of the rest, high school sucked, having no income meant I couldn't get what I wanted and had to beg my lower middle-class parent for new games or money until I reached 16 and was legally allowed to work part time. I get the cultural difference here, but it's true that Japan could offer so much more than the constant flow of high school stuff.

[@ricardomiles2957]

@@NachtKaiser666 I guess my lack of interest for money and most of material things is partly why I still think high school is the best bit of ones life. Makes sense now

[@PonrokoArchive]

You know I am almost at the end of SMT 5 and it came to me that there really is no reason at all that the characters are highschool age.

[@BaconheartStuff]

Even when you think you've gotten away from it, you haven't. Oh, you think PSO2 is a game about being in the space militia and beat up giant space cthulhus? Well psyche, episode 4 is about linking that world with the "real world" so a bunch of high schoolers from SEGA High School (The most prestigious high school in all of Japan) can join the main cast and oh no the space chtulhu is threatening the cultural festival!

[@hondshoven8477]

Pat described perfectly why I love SMT so much ... It's may be one of the oldest JRPG franchise out there but it's just so ... Anti- JRPG. It feels like that metal grandpa who's laughing at the dumb kids walking down his street. The fact that SMTV starts with you leaving the school before dropping you into the apocalypse 20 min later is the cherry on top, it feels like the perfect middle finger to people who wanted just an edgier Persona 5.

[@ExeErdna]

I agree like the first game gave you that weird fever dream. Yet when you find out demons killed your mom, shit is locked down and now there's three factions and your dog is now a Demon. That's just a taste of the first hour. SMT puts you into the game with no downtime. Where modern persona is ALL downtime and the RPG is kinda there.

[@kingVibe111]

Smt V makes this new genre of “comfy/cruel” jrpg. It is not your friend but it can be cool when you hang out, kinda spicy commentary from your couch, then you get to know him better and he’s just kinda weird.

[@calamaty2007]

SMT is very relaxing if you are okay with it suddenly occasionally caving your face in.

[@XDestroyoxZx]

So basically unfriendly Pat.

[@ShayneRawls]

I thought I sucked when I died the first hour in. Turns out the game is just mean. I just said fuck it and started gathering as many demons as I could for hp cushions

[@gregstinkston7634]

So playing SMTV is like Woolie's entire online career? I'm in.

[@bumblebee9736]

It didn't really make it, Just added to it.

[@josue65222]

Mainline SMT games are very interesting to me because to me it's a always feels like the game doesn't like you. It does not want you to have fun. You have to pry the fun from the games cold clammy fingers. But when you do, and you get a basically an entire extra round on your first turn and you just annihilate whatever your fighting and don't give them a turn. It feels amazing because you've been on the receiving of that before, so it tastes so much more sweeter.

[@ElvenSonic]

the fact smt4 doesn’t have a defense stat felt incredible. you just stack these buffs and unload a massive 50k damage hit on the final boss for a classic otk. you remember all those hours when the game kicked your shit in at the start as you kick it right back, demonstrating your mastery over the system and its mechanics. these games are pretty cool

[@arthurgomes5188]

And then you get in that one random battle where the enemy got the initial advantage and you proced to get your shit stomped in because of course they also had attacks that hit your weakenesses.

[@danielcooper7433]

@@arthurgomes5188 Those demons could smell the bitch in your party's hearts.

[@ngmajora6986]

"Oooh does baby want his binky? Get the fuck out of here" - SMT as it crushes you in the hydraulic press

[@Mr.Faust3]

@@arthurgomes5188 nah once your in the endgame your basically god nothing can hurt you, it really replicates humanity’s struggle for survival

[@SunfishV]

Pat's "I don't know.." when Woolie asks about your supporting friends. Just hits so hard.

[@Judgementxxx]

"You can feel the dirt" Surprised Pat played it because of that.

[@Terithian]

One thing I definitely appreciate is that I can't instantly tell which alignment each character represents. Two seconds after you meet Jonathan, Walter, and Isabeau in 4, they're obviously Law, Chaos, and Neutral respectively. 30 hours into 5 and I still don't know for sure.

[@anenemystand5582]

I think part of that reason is because they mixed and matched traits from different characters. Kind of like how nocturne did away with law neutral and chaos and instead made reasons which are a mix of different aspects of all alignments

[@hondshoven8477]

Without spoilers (I just finished this game tonight myself), I got the character alignements soooo wrong I actually laughed when they chose their final side 😅

[@Wanna_Be_Desu]

SMT series, especially from modern game perspective, feels like an anti-game. With all the cheeky and unfair elements and borderline hostility. Also reminds me of Gothic. Same "you are gonna get kicked in the d and you'll live through it and like it and mb even rise above it, but don't get too comfy or we'll happily dip you back face first into the mud as a refresher. "

[@sdbzfan1]

Woolie should really play lost judgement if he's getting tired of the highschool setting so much, beating up teenagers feels way more cathartic once you've seen one to many highschool anime

[@HeyItzaK]

The thing also about SMT IV was that the smirk system was super unforgiving in the early game. If a boss got a crit or you missed you lost the fight.

[@GreyRush]

Walter and the Minotaur…

[@patrickloureiro351]

@@GreyRush "I'll end it thus"

[@Mr.Faust3]

Such is a Samurai’s skill

[@ryco9669]

Bless the great apocalypse rebalance

[@patrickloureiro351]

@@ryco9669 You can shit talk apocalypse's characters and story as much as you want and i'll join you, but it has some of the best gameplay of the entire franchise.

[@ShayneRawls]

The guy with the glasses Yuzu seems like he's suppose to be the real Protag and somehow you just happened to get your own story lol

[@Noxshade]

That’s what I thought too when he mentioned he had a Demon Summoning Program. I was like “doesn’t that make you the protagonist of like SMT1 or like the villain of “If”?

[@DualEdgest]

I was just laughing when he dropped that bombshell. I mean, he's basically been having his own Devil Summoner story going on and we just bungle into it and derail his experience.

[@Mr.Faust3]

Thought so too kinda like if the SMT 1 protag and Demi fiend were mashed into the same game

[@ShayneRawls]

@@DualEdgest that's what I said lol. Like people were dropping hints that a guy with glasses was around and I was like is that a Persona reference? No it's just Yuzu is really the hero lol

[@ShayneRawls]

@@Mr.Faust3 it really feels like that!

[@ReilataZethlar]

Hit up Digital Devil Saga for some not revolving around high school fun.

[@artisticcannibalism1350]

It's just a fun game where you get to hang out meet a bunch of people and eat them

[@LightningZerker]

@@artisticcannibalism1350 You cannot escape your hunger, warriors of Purgatory.

[@JackgarPrime]

@@artisticcannibalism1350 Name checks out

[@RuleOfNOT]

The Digital Devil Saga Duology is a top 3 Megami Tensei game for me personally, along Devil Survivor 1 & the Persona 2 Duology. Megami tensei has 35 years of games so I'm glad when folks venture out of SMT(mainline) and Persona to find some real gems

[@charleswisconsin9196]

someone make him play Jack Bros.

[@cowardlymaya]

When I realized that most Megaten games are rated 12+ or 15+ in Japan, I feel like I understood why the series has stuck with high school since the 80s.

[@MothmanEndured]

Hoping for a 10-hour long Pat Stares At Demifiend stream later on.

[@SuccubiPie]

And 9 hours are reading donations

[@Meta_Mage]

If you want a JRPG that only involves adults and no signs of school, SMT Strange Journey is perfect in that regard.

[@heroicgangster9981]

Chad Tokyo Mirage Sessions player here used the game to prepare for SMTV B)

[@ArninoStorm]

P2-2 wasn't high school! It owned! ...it was the lowest selling game in the entire series.

[@RuleOfNOT]

All they gotta do is listen to eternal punishment fantastic credits song and they'll know it ain't a high-school setting game

[@zigmus00A]

"You are not allowed to play. Fuck you." -Woolie 'Demi-Fiend' Madden

[@LightningZerker]

>You have obtained the Blitzball Magatama.

[@theqreem8587]

Persona is the pretty pop concert with all the fun lights and family friendly SMT is the grungy punk rock venue where the band is about to beat the shit out of the guy throwing bottles at them

[@handbanana4899]

“What I think is the Law Protagonist” I just KNEW Pat didn’t mean Dazai. Because this game just has the most goofball, silly pair of Law representatives in any SMT game.

[@SciontheDark]

Naraku is hard as balls. But so far the rest of SMT IV is pretty easy once you get past it. You can still get 😏 to death but you should be saving almost constantly anyway.

[@MegamanStarforce2010]

8:08 the genuine reaction to just NOTHING on support characters is hilarious

[@sdbzfan1]

The best explination ive heard besides "money" is in japan highschool is the last time you geniuine didnt hate life and were fumbling aroune for meaning in this cold unforgiving world, while in america i would rather earn money than go to school and leave it not knowing what to do with my life

[@ricardomiles2957]

Never really cared about money or material goods for that matter so that's probably why people get weirded out when I say high school is the best part of someone's life

[@brokentower3148]

The second he said filthy I was like "yes, this is what I want", and as the explanation went on, I began to cheer.

[@starwars90001]

Persona = Fallout 4 & 3 SMT = Fallout 1 & 2 Is the feeling I'm getting from this. Both in tone and gameplay.

[@FrostyFin]

Jack Bros = New Vegas

[@phillemon7664]

@@FrostyFin based

[@RuleOfNOT]

With the divisiveness of the fanbase I say fallout 1 & 2 are synonymous with Persona 1 & 2, with modern-day fallout parallel modern-day persona where they have thier formula set and stone and most don't touch the older games

[@charleswisconsin9196]

Giten Megami Tensei = Fallout 76 i actually don't know if that makes sense, i just wanted to mention GigaTen.

[@AsurendrasOrder]

I was beginning to doubt how mean the game is. Got about 15 hours in without a wipe. Managed to beat a few optional big enemies in the field and got confident that I could take the rest on. Proceeded to get debuffed and wiped in the opening round twice. SMT had to remind me who it is.

[@averyaustin1]

I’m with Woolie, I wouldn’t mind a Persona set in college, that way they’re still “in school”, but can be adults to boot! It’d be a nice compromise on the formula IMO.

[@Terithian]

I agree. That would let them have party members who aren't students too, like P2. It's doubtful, sadly, but one can dream.

[@tenworms]

I want a shlubby middle aged salaryman Persona protag, with only ugly party members.

[@JayceCH.]

People keep saying that, and we get that in anime, yet they still act like kids.

[@Terithian]

@@JayceCH. To be fair, most college students do act like kids.

[@roronoa1243]

This is exactly what most high school shonen series should also do. Like, I would feel a lot better about Horikoshi giving his girls outfits like that if they were college and not high school

[@Maioly]

7:35 someone didn't actually play p2... that is literally one dungeon out of several in the game, one of the shorter ones at that, as it is the very first (or among the very first) you go to. the very first one at that... and you're out of it almost for good as soon as that dungeon is over, only going back for a tiny short while near the end of the game. Hell, the party in the second p2 game is made almost entirely of adults with none of the class shit.

[@alphax-shroom6781]

No shit he hasn't Woolie already said he was gonna do p2 blind but there's too much non lp friendly aspects so he switched to doing Raidou 1 instead.

[@charleswisconsin9196]

@@alphax-shroom6781 you missed the point.

[@LordlyWeeb]

@@alphax-shroom6781 The point is that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@anenemystand5582]

Literally nothing he said was wrong tho? You're just being a weird elitist prick who ironically is possessed of a rather small prick. Like he literally just says you run around a school for a while. That's true

[@Maioly]

@@anenemystand5582 No, I am just a tired P2 fan, tired of seeing it buried under p4 and 5, having people think they were the exact same as those games... or that they were shit BECAUSE they were not the same as those games.

[@whiteblacklight9603]

SPOILER: You go back to your school in SMTV. Crazy Talk does it again.

[@theawkwardpotato264]

I'm kinda surprised he didn't mention that SMT V basically has Koroks

[@drossvids]

30 hours in, Loving it so far, Grime and all :3

[@SeruraRenge11]

The "high school is your last chance at freedom" thing is even worse now because at this point Japanese kids aren't going into the drudgery of being a salaryman, they're going into an uncertain job market where it's hard to find a career and if you went to college you probably have crippling debt because college is very expensive in Japan.

[@strategyx123]

This game is so fucking dope yo

[@alephnole7009]

My favorite line in SMT5 so far is the Moth man if you don't have enough room left in your party the second time you visit him without enough room.

[@Homunculus97]

The contrast of Persona 5/P5R's 10+ hour long "tutorial" til you can play the game proper versus SMT V's barely half an hour introduction is kinda amazing, P5 turned into a slog on repeated playthroughs for me due to the long ass introduction, can already tell that SMT V will become way more replayable in the years to come.

[@johnappleseed6210]

The funniest part is that P5's intro is still is faster than P4

[@DKZK21]

Playing P5 Royal left me feeling like I might as well never buy the first iteration of a new Persona game if they plan to put out the actually finished version like 2 or 3 years later.

[@grayash877]

This. This is why I could never get into modern Persona. They're great games no doubt, but god the pacing kills it for me. These games are 100 hours long approximately and it feels like about half is wasted. It's why classic Persona and many other MegaTen games resonated more with me. P1: You and your friends, (btw you're not a high school transfer and already have friends in P1 and P2 so no long introductions) play the Persona game and weird stuff happens. Go find out why. P2 IS: You get a strange message from Ekichi and find out Joker is taking peoples dreams. Find out why. P2 EP: You're an adult article writer and find out about JOKER, who kills people. Find out more! It's so much more snappy and gets to the point; and SMTV also continues this with it's 15 minute intro.

[@devin5201]

I'm digging my time with More Overtly Satanic Pokemon Faivu.

[@mj1mj3]

I'm at the part where Surt has just shown up, and my understanding of these characters is basically the same as Pat's.

[@anenemystand5582]

One want strong the other want to protect little sister. What more is there to know?

[@bruno17289]

SMT 5 is harder than SMT 4 due being more balanced. SMT 4 has a weird difficulty curve where the hardest dungeon is the first, which is actually kind of brutal, but once you make it out of there because how effective phys attacks are, and they use hp which can be easily replaced with healing you can plow trough that game as soon as you get heatwave. SMT 5 phys attacks have been nerfed and now they cost mp.

[@JJRodriguez]

What in the world are you talking about? SMT4 and 4A use MP for attacks... Persona is the only series they use HP.

[@Mikaek]

@@JJRodriguez he hasn’t played them

[@patrickripleyiii134]

Well nocturne did use hp so its not only persona

[@MrStath1986]

Woolie's not wrong that some of these games - and a lot of anime - rely way too much on the high school setting. I'm just a bit younger than him so that probably plays into it in the same way, but it is just completely overdone at this point. I think that's why certain series, like Genshiken, really work for me, because they actually go *beyond* that setting.

[@kingVibe111]

Yeah it all gets kinda weird when you’re like a 35 year old dude buying an anime about a girl and her friends in high school.

[@TheKnizzine]

All they have to do is bump it up to university age and they can have the highschool shit but also deal with things on a not superficial level. Only diffrences would studying and work would be a little less optional.

[@StayFrostyX279]

Also goes into the fact Japanese culture sees that period of life as Idyllic

[@leithaziz2716]

It probably has to do with how Japan seems to base their market around young and handsome people, I guess because they think that's what attracts their audience. Nagoshi from Ryu Ga Gotoku studios talked about this (the handsome bit at least) when he discovered Ghost Of Tsushima. There's also the "christmas cake" term in Japan and good lord that culture is...oh boy.

[@vaan_]

@@kingVibe111 we all know why those older weebs consume that content

[@crazygamer4260]

00:25 this is why I buy physical for switch games

[@altoid3453]

How are your supporting cast. Pat "I dont know" Has pat even beat Hydra? Id love to see wollie play this

[@saintjynr]

He said he has to find the angels in the diet building, so he did beat hydra, not that the monk spends a whole lot of time with you

[@MrLuizilla]

@@saintjynr Yeah monk dude shows up, talks you up for smacking the Hydra, gives you the Return Pillar and then bounces

[@altoid3453]

@@saintjynr we know he hasnt beaten Nu wa from what hes said

[@0liver62]

I started SMTV on hard mode and got killed in that first "baby" fight.....I love it.

[@Mr.Faust3]

High school’s overrated I prefer being alone in the desert with my demon bros

[@shawnsomething64]

Pat....He fucking gets it

[@Mikaek]

There’s no hand holding when you play SMT. This is the epitome of Get Good and Get Good fast.

[@TheCallofdutyghost]

NO! More high school! I want a game from every country where we get to experience their annoying Education systems.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Indonesian High School game that's an RTS or Online First Person brawler like Chivalry and Mordhau when?

[@Mr.Faust3]

American persona high school and its shitty educational system

[@TheCallofdutyghost]

@@Mr.Faust3 That's just Silent Hill.

[@patrickloureiro351]

@@cyberninjazero5659 Indonesian high school is just the warriors.

[@s3studios597]

I honestly don't mind the high school setting despite its prevalence in Japanese media. I mean I'm not exactly a fan of it, but I don't dislike it either. I get why it's so prevalent, so it's just whatever to me. Probably helps that the setting is versatile as fuck and works with basically any genre. Now the real worst setting is *generic fantasy world*, especially the more recent ones with video game mechanics for some stupid reason. On one hand, I can't wait to play SMTV. On the other, I still have JPRGs and a couple other games in my backlog, most notably TMS Encore, Disgaea 6, Disgaea 5, Disgaea 4, and Indivisible

[@tokyobassist]

Persona = Shonen Jump SMT = Berserk

[@kennyezeobele1909]

Playing SMTV has been such a wonderful time. Like, holy shit I hadn't touched SMT since the original Nocturne on PS2 and I forgot that some games just said, "Fuck your progress, you died. Back to the menu." I love that the guitars sound like an angry person fucking screaming at you in combat. It's nice.

[@VanTesla]

SMT IV I kinda hope in X years gets a very good remaster/remake for whatever current gen consoles and PC.

[@1337w334b00]

Yeah, SMT IV just needs a PC port with P4G settings options and to use the original resolution of the Demon sprites.

[@RavenCloak13]

Honestly it's less SMT 5 is being mean to you and more it's just telling you "Hey, play the game more, be stronger and then just wreck me" like how literally any RPG is. Just grind and you win. Honestly more easy then any Persona game where your keeping track of social stuff and getting back SP is way harder.

[@Jfoltz39]

Yes and no. You can win every fight without grinding by playing the game well

[@RavenCloak13]

@@Jfoltz39 No. That would require you not getting fucked over by a single move that your under leveled to handle. Even a guide can't account for that.

[@sebastianbarrios7288]

I seem to remember that the tutorial fight in smt iv was against a nerfed Centaur or Lham Dearg, which is pretty notable because once you get out of that tutorial the Lham Dearg you defeated in two hits 3 minutes ago is suddenly oneshotting your team. So Pat is partially wrong here.

[@kurovah5475]

Proto-fiend is a pretty cool dude.

[@GameBooAdvancePlus]

That "hot take" is a Sub-zero take shared by every westerner with only a standard interest in japanese media that has been repeated ad-nauseum to the point that nobody really has anything to say or add to that conversation. Pat basically spelled it out perfectly and theres little else to say. Its like complaining about some village kid getting the call to adventure and going on the heroes journey. That said play Persona 2 if you want a Persona game without teenagers. it can't be repeated enough. At this point I'd want ATLUS to give that game a remake so people can stop asking for it.

[@ricardomiles2957]

Glad someone said it. Not every trope or narrative element must be groundbreaking, it's about the overall experience, even when deal with big names with very "formulatic" works

[@anenemystand5582]

I mean there still is room for other gaming media from Japan obviously. Anime and shows do not solely consist of high school exploits.

[@alephnole7009]

The tutorial of SMT4 reminds me of the beginning of MGS4. If you die in the begging which is very easy. You have to watch the entire 30 minute opening cutscene again with no skip options.

[@juten6020]

Woolie you must relive your seishun

[@Bizarrejoe]

Persona has always been about high school, even all the way back before persona 1, all the way back when it was "Shin Megami Tensei If" in the snes

[@anenemystand5582]

Smt has always had high-school age protagonists. Even Flynn is only 19 it just so happens he was born into medieval times.

[@Bizarrejoe]

@@anenemystand5582 so? It's not what I'm pointing out here. Smt if was about high schoolers, in a high school where the root of the problem was high school related. Mainline smt always had young protags, but their themes are different. Meanwhile persona's themeing has always been about high school and mental health, all the way from smt if, to persona 5.

[@anenemystand5582]

@@Bizarrejoe my point is I don't think persona is neccesarily about high school. I think it's about discovering who you are and your place in the world as a young person, typically via your connections to other people. Smt actually isn't that different, it's just on a much grander scale. You're always a young person because they tend to be considered agents of change in the world.

[@iisanulquiorrahara8]

About as far as Pat was at the time of this clip, and yeah, that's pretty much my experience so far. Loving my time with this game that feels like trash.

[@MegaBichiX]

YOUNG MAN

[@JackgarPrime]

THERE'S NO NEED TO FEEL DOWN

[@ryco9669]

"Kid."

[@ElvenSonic]

*2 minutes in* yeah that’s just shin megami tensei. like word for word thats what i’ve said about smt4 to people.

[@ElvenSonic]

i’ll never fucking forgot the first two hours of smt4. coming from literally every other jrpg franchise ever (ff, persona, pokémon, etc) smt4 doesnt fuck around. that game kicks your shit in so hard, and then it pisses on your fucking grave and says “easy mode now unlocked” after the fifth time you get insta died in combat and fucking dares you to learn its systems on its terms. that shit was so incredible, it felt like i was playing a jrpg for the first time despite playing probably playing every other game in the genre prior. it genuinely upsets me when people talk shit about the series in comparison to others when it’s not even the same kind of game. it’s in its own fucked up little world and i wouldn’t have it any other way.

[@idontknowyoumitch]

And you never go back Pat says.

[@GreekJR2]

To me Persona is the YA Fantasy version of a Terrence Malik directed biblical film.

[@Ganmorg]

Regarding performance, I really like the game and value it as a Switch exclusive due to Atlus's history with Nintendo on the SFC and 3DS, but you can feel that the game is being held back by its own hardware. The performance isn't nearly as bad in the field scenarios as it is in the intro, but I do hope it comes to other consoles sooner rather than later, because there were some very clear concessions made so it could launch on Switch. It's extraordinarily impressive how much they were able to squeeze out of the thing though, especially since a Switch is just a glorified tablet. Also there's just the fact that not everyone has a switch and more platforms are generally better. That's why I saw people emulating it way quicker than most new Switch games, which I kinda can't fault them for.

[@azimulhoque1497]

It also is a matter of audience. I could see this doing well on PC, but porting it to PS4 makes no sense since PS4 games are losing steam and they don't really buy hardcore big boy Rpgs.

[@Ganmorg]

@@azimulhoque1497 As of now the Switch is definitely the best platform for RPGs, I think. DQXI for example did super well on Switch compared to how little steam it felt like it got on PS4 (granted XIS had smash hype going for it). Still PS4/5 is a good route to get to P5 players who want to try mainline, and PC is just a good platform for RPGs in general, imo

[@azimulhoque1497]

@@Ganmorg I agree for the most part, but as we can, the average PS fan is a little more "selective" when picking a game to buy. I think most diehard P5 fans have Switches anyways, so I think the port job might not be worth the dev cost. PS fans kinda like their over the shoulder third person action game with a gruff story. That coupled with Nintendo allegedly helping with development makes it seem like a MHR situation. PC is a tossup, since these are all computer games anyways lol. Sometimes you get really big splashes (P4G, VC1) or complete duds (VC4...dammit...)

[@Noxshade]

SMT5 is a grimy, messy, terribly optimized, low-frame rate pile of recycled assets and incomprehensible series lore and its SO MUCH FUN.

[@LazyererSoda]

I played SMT 4 and SMT4:A.I also played both Devil Survivors. I'm still confused on what Pat is trying to describe as dirty. Is this Pat's first SMT? did he ever experience the salt of Minotaur? of fly lord?

[@lovingfool2060]

Dunno if I agree the games easier than 4, although I'm playing on hard mode. You get the miracles and essences to put things in your favor, but it's to valence some of the complete bullshit bosses pull. Hydra took me so long to beat lol Of course like any smt by endgame not much will be hard

[@venuztrvp]

If you remember what Zune is you deserve the senior discount 😂

[@aftertone3146]

I personally dont care about the high school setting being overdone. Medaka Box convinced me it is the most perfect for anime. Juvenile enough to be as childish as it wants and old enough to learn of maturity. But also because I just dont want to go to another setting just because its another setting, then smoke a cigarette and act like I got a higher taste just because I watch an anime where the characters are adults, you know? It just doesnt feel right and if there is no good reason to go to a different setting, then might as well stay where the authors, teams and directors like it the most. If that's highschool then that's fine and perfect too.

[@tomasfong40]

Good point. I think its less that the highschool setting is bad and more with burnout

[@LordlyWeeb]

Exactly my thoughts.

[@ricardomiles2957]

Glad someone said it

[@JameboHayabusa]

So when you say it doesn't feel right to go to a different setting, do you mean anime in general, or persona? If you mean anime in general, that sounds really boring. Wouldn't have amazing games like guilty gear if that was the case.

[@aftertone3146]

@@JameboHayabusa I think you are gravely mistaken what I meant giving by the fact that you dont fully copied what I said regarding it not feeling right to go to a different setting. In writing you chose your setting to serve a particular purpose, something that cannot be captured with another setting. If you don't think about it then you dont have a reason then you are just choosing because it is not that other thing, which in turn always creates a poor result.

[@Fatelongname]

7:55 ahh the pretas. Good times. They were the first friends I made in nocturne

[@samditto]

SMT means nothing to me so i always autocorrect it in my brain to super meat toy

[@thelaughingrouge]

"SMTV is the Dark Souls of Persona games." -IGN... probably.

[@electromotivehorse6679]

"Persona without the heart" is the new hotness.

[@badwrongfun5541]

"The Dark Souls of Persona" was a phrase that came up multiple times in reviews of SMT IV

[@b_l_a_c_k-l_i_t_e]

but what if i like vinyl and beer and hate apple products?

[@exodosthesoulbanish]

Give all the quality of life stuff in P5 and P5R I hope P6 stops the 5-10 hour intro sequence

[@SoaringLettuce]

Digital Devil Saga didn't have a highschool setting

[@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva]

I haven't beaten it yet but SMT5 feels like the replacement for SMT4:A, especially since it has like the same DLC demons

[@rdoggo9801]

this talk got me into SMT5. Spoiler. Right after the point the game Pat talks about, you get teleported back to highschool...I was like man...I just want to talk to my random demons

[@LordlyWeeb]

There's nothing wrong with a high school setting. All that matters is if the media is good/enjoyable. Something being set in high school, or you playing as a high schooler, does not make it automatically worse.

[@StubenhockerElite]

I Always wanted a persona Game where the Cast is mid 30 salary men fighting to keep their freedom

[@RavenCloak13]

What freedom?

[@leithaziz2716]

This is not really relevant to the conversation, but I notice Persona and SMT fans seem to be at eachothers throat a lot of the time and I find that kinda pointless? I get Persona can seem to overshadow SMT, but both these games are made by ATLUS and share many simillarities alongside differences. With the fandom, it seems like you have to like one and hate the other. For context, I'm a Persona fan, but I've gotten curious to the point of checking out SMT III Nocturne footage alongside SMTV. They look like interesting games.

[@idontknowyoumitch]

I am not at fans throats about either or. I am at reviewers throats for continuing to force persona vs smt narratives. All the reviews that came out for smt v were like we wish this was more like Persona and ignored that everything they wanted to change was a core for the smt franchise. I used to like Persona (4’s constant mishandling of Kanji and Persona 5’s grossness with Ann and other characters turned me off of it permanently) and I also liked SMT and most spin offs. I just think fans and reviewers alike need to stop comparing apples and oranges, expecting the same out of one series as they do the other.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@idontknowyoumitch I mean to me, they're going for different things, so comparing them is kinda weird. Sorry to hear you don't enjoy Persona anymore. People talking about it either hate it in the way that they think it's overhyped, or they think it's perfect. To me, they have flaws but are great games despite that. P5 also introduced me to RPG's so I gotta give it cred : )

[@idontknowyoumitch]

@@leithaziz2716 They are going for very different things you are so correct. But i don’t hate on anyone for still liking Persona or liking Persona 5. I do think it does a lot of great things but i also feel it gets overhyped for being like stand out. Given how i feel it horribly ham fisted it treats things like the first case you go on. But as you already stated it is really a polarizing game. People hate it or love it and i just ended up falling into that former camp but Persona fans are still part of the smt family to me. Just like Raidou fans are and DDS fans are.

[@abbymems]

The more vocal voices just want their opinions to be mirrored and don't really care to understand why someone might like SMT more than Persona or vice versa. And the even more difficult thing is that SMT still encompasses the spinoffs, which some people like more than the mainline ones. And even within that, there's fighting. If you look at some videos for SMT Devil Survivor, you'll find people having similar arguments about the differences in tone between the 2 games(1 has the classic SMT vibe, while 2 goes for a P4 esque tone of happy-go-lucky stuff interspersed between really dark situations). There's just too many varying opinions and not enough legitimate rapport built to have friendly discussions.

[@LordlyWeeb]

Nah, most SMT fans like Persona.

[@SBJ_Tube]

I'm torn by that description of SMT IV's first battle. On the one hand... incompetence is the only word for it. Please replay the opening scenes because we didn't want to bother with giving the player a 100% chance to START THE GAME. On the other hand, I guess you could call it the game being refreshingly forthcoming with the player. "Hey, this game is going to waste just... massive amounts of your time, at random. If you think that sounds stupid, go get a refund now while there's still time." Personally, I have no patience with that style of game at all, but appreciate that there's games for people who like completely different things than me. That is fine and good.

[@odinkiller727]

Pats forgetting something. One you can save anywhere including before the battle. And two, when you die in smt iv it’s not game over you visit Charon, and he’ll give you a free revive the first two times and for a cost every time after.

[@SBJ_Tube]

@@odinkiller727 For my personal preference, I'm fine with the first battle being impossible to win OR impossible to lose, but having a random chance of being impossible to win? Nah, that's terrible, I hate it. To those who love it, enjoy the new game, sounds like it turned out pretty well.

[@LordlyWeeb]

I'm pretty sure you can't die before you can save.

[@anenemystand5582]

Incompetence implies they didn't know what they were doing or were incapable of creating a normal tutorial. Its definitely very intentional. I personally appreciate it. Tutorials suck and are boring, might as well spice them up

[@Plxlinixy]

See with MT 2 to SMT 1 to Nocturne/Strange Journey and some of the SMT spin offs like Majin Tensei, or Digital Devil Saga to Summoner, even Persona : Eternal Punishment all have enviornments that are definitely not high school. The high school thing in Shin Megami Tensei was always kinda rare. Persona 3 onward is where it fell more into the high school setting.

[@Dragonsmana]

I wish this clip included the part of the discussion with the weird restrictions Atlus put on streaming this. Notably how you can't show enemy weaknesses, and the whole jokes about someone trying to do a playthrough thats just reactions lol.

[@MrLuizilla]

Oh man I can't wait to see how Pat reacts to what happens after he reaches the Diet Building

[@crunkbow2971]

Break out the force dampeners kids

[@daquenking5261]

Woolie can just buy a sd card with more memory.

[@LilAnonomus]

I'd really like a persona game set in an office-setting.

[@ExeErdna]

Basically SMT is like old school anime like Devilman, Violence Jack, MD Geist and Genocyber. It hurts to watch yet it's good watch. Persona is modern anime and shows that highlight the power of friendship.

[@TealWolf26]

I am way too American. Every time I hear "diet" I think food, not meeting council.

[@frustratedsquirrel]

SMT V is very tsundere.

[@cal593]

I thought the title was about "Survivor Man TV," and was very confused.

[@FightCain]

Prewatch: Grim and Filth huh _checks Twitter to see all those fan art_ Also, based on the comments I’m seeing, I guess Woolie is tired of High schoolers. I’m hoping that there will be a complete remake of SMT Strange Journey in glorious 3D Post watch: that sounds amazing lol I hope fiends don’t tank a week to find a single one, but that’s gonna happen.

[@LK-bs1pi]

Woolie VS SMT5 would make me coom

[@kenren8773]

U ever play the smt mmo before was great to play

[@merk2364]

I think the issue with japanese high school isn't that it is a boring setting but that not many mainstream pieces of media explore it in unique ways. Hell I find lost judgment to be a breath of fresh air with the way it deals with that setting.

[@willadkins1354]

I think this is the real problem too. P5R makes great use of the setting, from characters like Kamoshida to Maruki.

[@nizinotnizi9076]

Lol, nothin like a couple decades to make you sick of high school adventures

[@AF-ti7nb]

Persona is for Twitter users. SMT is for Ouija board users.

[@timestopMachinist]

which would be a better first smt game, smt3 remake or smtv? i know it probably doesnt matter, but ive played a couple persona games as well as jrpgs outside of that such as dragon quest XI

[@anenemystand5582]

Smt 5 will be probably the most newcomer friendly smt. Smt 3 is still surprisingly in line with the snes games in sensibility. It's way better mechanically but there is a strong old school sensibility. It will fucking kick your ass and it will not always be fair. You should play it. But dip ya toes in first.

[@DarkWraithKevin]

5:19 "It's not lost on me that I'm some weird black guy from across the seas saying hey, stop it" 🤔 You heard it here first folks