The GRUELLING training in old school Karate

[@Chadi]

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[@MasterPoucksBestMan]

In January 1927 (Showa 2) Dr. Kano Jigoro (1860-1938), the founder of Judo, and his student Nagaoka Hidekazu (1876-1952) visited the ‘Karate Kenkyu Kurabu’. At this opportunity, Mabuni Kenwa and his friend Miyagi Chojun performed various Kata of Karate. Kano was quite impressed by this performance and encouraged them to spread their art on the Japanese mainland. Kano characterized Karate as an “universal martial art, suitable for attack and defense” and had the opinion that “such an ideal Budo … [needed] to be spread all over the country”. Kano said to Mabuni: “According to your ability, you should be awarded fourth Dan in Judo right on the spot!” You don't get offered a fourth dan in Judo by the founder of Judo himself if you don't know enough to earn a 4th dan in Judo, and Mabuni had only ever studied Karate. Karate is different than what it used to be.

[@neotenylv09]

Thanks for sharing this interesting story! I love Kano's encouraging attitude towards other masters.

[@michaelahudson3114]

I love this content! Seeing karate as it is supposed to be practiced. I am a Taekwondo and Hapkido practitioner 0:26 and really enjoy seeing this aspect of the parent arts I love and practice. It helps me realize a punch and a kick can be so much, unless it’s not lol

[@phillipmarlowe0525]

I started karate in 1962. Back in the 1960s it was considered the blood and guts era. Training back then was way different than today.

[@richardguerra3605]

I began my training in Feb 1966 in Soryu Karate under Joe Alvarado Sensei in Austin Texas. The training was brutal.

[@GordiansKnotHere]

Brutal training in the 80's in NYC in Aikijujutsu. A well established training hall and other teachers would come in as well. Goju Ryu, Shotokan, Isshin Ryu... We were all good friends but would we would "Work" and really test ourselves. Best time of my life. The training and mindset appears to have drastically changed currently. To much politics and other garbage has gotten in the way.

[@AverageMojaveMailman]

It's not much different in Kyokushin schools.

[@victorfreedom93]

In some Styles like Kyokushin, Goju Ryu or Uechi Ryu, this kind of training is your bread and butter. I'm a kyokushin guy and my shihan usually bring us a jūjutsu instructor to teach us ukemi waza, nage waza and some goshin jutsu techniques

[@salvatoreplacidoplumari3840]

I love Kyokushin-Kai, was my first take on Martial Arts in general...good old times in 1990...after a long break (injuries, health problems, Covid, etc,) I have returned in Matsubayashi-Ryu and crosstraining in White Crane. Conditioning is important, but the goal and outcome must be determined. I am now in my 40es and have no interest in competing anymore, so I focus more on bunkai, oyo, light sparring. Wish you all the best, OSS. 🙇🏽‍♂🙇🏽‍♂

[@ruser0084]

I trained both Shotokan and Uechi starting with Uechi. Going to Shotokan from Uechi was a shock.

[@victorfreedom93]

@@ruser0084 same here, from Shiro Ryu to kyokushin was brutal

[@neotenylv09]

Love the karate stuff you put in your channel!

[@user-he4ef9br7z]

I started my fighting journey in a traditional dojo. This brings back a lot of memories. Punching trees, stepping and jumping on people's bellies....

[@areitomusic]

Just wanted to add that the footage with the guy rolling the barbell on his back is supposed to be of the students of Chojun Miyagi in Okinawa. The other appears to be Japan Karate Association - JKA, Shotokan.

[@JayEhm1517]

We still train like this in my dojo. OSSU!

[@donmorfeo]

This is what karate and the martial arts are supposed to be about. It's not sport, it's warrior training which has been lost today.

[@nmr20067]

So basically, Karate and Tae Kwon Do got watered down in America. And sports and Olympics competitions had a lot to do with it…

[@nickelmanful]

Yup

[@Endru85x]

Because of that, i would not like to see Sanda or Muay Thai on Olympics. I am afraid they would cut too much stuff to make it simpler to follow and people will have no idea how much they miss. Same for Savate, which some consider to be funny kickboxing, while there is much to savate as a fighting system ( cane fighting, grappling etc.)

[@YouCallThataKnife253]

Karate was already getting watered down by the time it was introduced to Japan. Many of the old masters wanted it this way. A style like Kyokushin actually came about as a reaction to the sportification of karate in Japan

[@anonymous-tg3rr]

Great video Chadi!! Thanks again for another video full of high quality content. This video reminded me and I was hoping if you could cover a style or form of combat/grappling which was a precursor to Karate called "TEGUMI"?

[@areitomusic]

Tegumi or Tigumi is not a style or form of combat. It is part of training like Kumite - which is actually the same words in different order. Kumi = Gumi. The K sound is used when the their is no prefix. Tegumi means engaging hand. Te is the Japanese translation of hand - Ti is the Okinawan Dialect for hand. When it is the suffix, it is spoken "di". Terms like Toudi - China or Tang Hand, illustrate this. It is still used today by lineages that trained in their karate as it was originally intended.

[@anonymous-tg3rr]

@areitomusic What is the training exactly?

[@thinkordie7292]

🫡 to the old school. 🙏🏾 thanks Chadi.

[@scottmcley5111]

We did a drill like the one where everyone is on their back, belt to belt. We had walkers go down the line and then they would start at 1 end, then slam the larger medicine ball (larger than a basketball) on the midsection and after you let it hit you you throw it back up to the instructor. Instructor may get you again or may hit the next person. This was done all the way to the other end of the line. Feet held 6 inches off the ground. Always skip breakfast before class.😂

[@anticaguerriera]

Happy New Year Chadi.. 🌲🪵🔥🌳 Super Video , e Grazie. Saluti from Italy...👊😸

[@stefanschleps8758]

Thank you Chadi. I always appreciate these old school films. Yes, minor fractures in the hands. This strengthening and hardening of the bones is a result of "Wolff's Law". I recommend a study of this scientific rule. One of the key factor is recuperative time. Don't rush the process. Love the channel. All the best to you and yours in 2025, wishing you peace and prosperity!

[@mizukarate]

I have done some of this old school training.

[@nmr20067]

Good video. Thank you.

[@pastlast158]

Actually Karate is rich in joint locks and take downs. It's not striking only.

[@ruiseartalcorn]

Great stuff! :)

[@Jason_g_kennedy]

Old school is so different to the JKA since they went to the main island and had to do point fighting. I've fought 2nd Dan's that couldn't punch to save their lives. Comming from a judo and thai boxing background, I did several years in JKA and although I won many tournaments, it's lacking actual fighting for a point.

[@PaddyDoesasia-bj3bb]

Okinawa is just as bad if not worse now

[@Cavouku]

I do want to note that the idea of impact hardening has largely been debunked in the modern day. While impact training can cause some types of deformations that may improve performance for some martial uses (compacted carpals for spear hands or fists, for example), the bones would have actually had lower mineral density than general grip training would induce (which we do see some practice of). Bones don't really heal stronger after fractures, micro or otherwise, because the osteoblast activity has to compensate for the damage while still keeping up with osteoclast breakdown, but the damage doesn’t sufficiently upregulate osteoblast activity the way sustained tension/compression does, such as from resistance training. This isn't to mention the general loss of dexterity that comes with this training, such as many reports of arthritis or otherwise inabilities to perform dextrous tasks like writing. By and large, the improved striking performance is one part removal of the psychological hesitation (you strike hard surfaces enough, you get psychologically accustomed to the idea), and the deadening of the nerves, especially nociception (your hand isn't sending as many pain signals, so may as well punch harder). And again, the bones aren't really harder, but their shape is more specialized for absorbing specific types of impact. Thai fighters sometimes have bow-shaped tibias from their training, which improves their kicking but makes them much more susceptible to impact stress from running or jumping.

[@Chadi]

@@Cavouku thank you for clarifying

[@MizanQistina]

This is western talking, Asians being training like that since history and having no problems at all. Old MA masters in Asia are more healthier and agile than young western people.

[@TroyIndureTillTheEnd]

@@MizanQistina Yea west is into alot of science type ideologies when results are results. This mainly comes from a very protected country and easy times hence why their gen Z are "weak, lazy, or undisciplined". Which why kali/Eskrima/Arins/Silat or even Muay Thai conditioning is wayyy toned down to fit American standards.

[@user-he4ef9br7z]

This isn't for hardening bone so to speak. More so for deadening the nerves. Same with Thais and their shins. Your bones are hard enough, what is weak is your mind.

[@MizanQistina]

It is to harden the skin so you won't feel pain when punch/kick/elbow or parrying kick with your shin. It is the same effect with your feet when you never wear shoes when walking, also the same effect when playing guitar/string instruments, the skin becomes harder, can be peeled off sometimes, but the new skin is not soft like before. That's why indegenous people can walk in the forest without shoes and it is all string musicians going through before they master their instrument. The only way to harden the bone is consuming food that have calcium 😁

[@amiltongsilva8917]

Pratiquei karatê em 1976 quando tinha apenas 15 anos , em 2008 retornei a uma academia e treinei por alguns meses. O treinamento e a filosofia mudaram muito, nem parece mais karatê.

[@knw-seeker6836]

My favourite part “imagine the parents of today’s kids seeing they went through that in training, the clubs would close instantly”😅 It’s really a shame so many overweight and unhealthy children and so many overconfident without having any real life skills Generation snow flake

[@RueTheDay001]

Most of this stuff is in no way grueling. If you went to any public elementary school in the US in the 1980s during gym class you'd see kids doing pushups, situps, chinups, bear crawls, leap frogging over each other on the hardwood floor, climbing the rope to touch the ceiling, etc. I'm not sure when it changed, but this all used to just be considered basic exercise.

[@knw-seeker6836]

@ wasn’t that the 60s though I grew up in Europe so I’m not sure about the acronym But I’ve seen a video of some intense Highschool training

[@TheresaReichley]

@@RueTheDay001lawyers ruined Americans. Now it’s pretty much illegal to toughen up a kid

[@hong-enlin4651]

Chadi, can you cover Lee Won Hee's no grip Tai-otoshi? when I first saw it I thought that looked like a throw from Aikido or Shuai Jiao.

[@electricfox9276]

At the end of almost every class, we finish with the makiwara. Generally 30 strikes with each hand or more if our Sensei thinks we need to practice different variations of punches (full length punch, a short range punch up close, or doubles). And on my own I do the jar walk but i don't want to use clay pots, so i just fill empty protein powder jugs and they work fine 😂. Thanks for more spotlights on karate Chadi, i hope one day I can train judo side by side with my karate.

[@MarioLamRedRebel]

I have trained like this and even in the winter ( outside) .Good old days 🥋 OSU 🥋 Greetings from the Netherlands

[@DouglasGomesBueno]

The GI is used only in modern Karate because Funakoshi followed Jigoro Kano orders to modernize Karate attire and modern Karate use the Judo belt system.

[@Oliver-o2m]

Sorry, but the Gi is traditional (traditionsl karate).

[@DouglasGomesBueno]

@@Oliver-o2m Traditional Karate is Okinawan Karate and absolutely no one in Okinawa used GI in Okinawa Karate Style before Funakoshi went to Tokyo with Jigoro Kano to teach Karate, GI is a Japanese symbol that was incorporated in modern Karate.

[@joshpotectan6028]

@@Oliver-o2meven copied the belt system from Judo.

[@Oliver-o2m]

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[@Oliver-o2m]

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[@justas423]

More likely than not, a lot of the stuff captured on film wasn't as organized in reality. They would've done those exercises yes, but probably not in the same way as shown in the footage or with the same intensity or frequency. Some people want to show off for the camera, whether it's the coach/sensei doing it to show off how hardcore they are or the director going "Ok, we've only got so much footage we can take, so just put everyone in a crowd and make them do some cool stuff, it's gonna look great on film".

[@DouglasGomesBueno]

I trained Kyokushin and we train more hard than the guys in this footage and doesn't matter if someone film us we train for us there's no Ego in Karate-DO.

[@epramberg]

A many of these exercises are practiced by modern goju. Weight training has always been a part of karate's curriculum. I see some weird statements in comments comparing strength to speed. This is a false dichotomy. Weight training gives you both. It exercises your fast-twitch muscle fiber giving you both strength and speed. In terms of physics, strength and speed are mostly produced the same way. Nobody has to choose one over the other. Yes, MMA fighters are lean and light. However, they are making weight and they want to maximize the amount of muscle that they possess at their weight class. It is a certainty that they either lift heavy or perform calisthenics.

[@Patrick-sheen]

You’re completely correct, strength AND speed are vital. I think possibly people are talking about this bulky modern body building look which often isn’t conducive to speed.

[@epramberg]

I agree. I think that we are talking about strength vs. esthetics. It is the difference between being strong and being the prettiest girl at the bodybuilders' prom.

[@Patrick-sheen]

@@epramberg perfectly put

[@Endru85x]

Being stronger is never a bad thing. Fighters all over the world had exercises for this, both strikers and grapplers, but of course it is not BB program. There is a difference between doing curls for having a big veiny arm, and training with clubs like Indian wrestlers, or doing gymnastic moves with weight, like Shuai Jiao guys for example.

[@staurosnordeste]

O treino ainda existe, ele é parte da escola japonesa tradicional JKA.

[@MrRourk]

Most Okinawan styles taught in the US have most of that grueling training regime still.

[@AndreaStoppa72]

Same training I do since 1987

[@samimakiwara8584]

Hello from algeria and OSS please more video about old karate shotokan style. and is there any dojo shotokan style in Okinawa in this time?

[@PeterMitchell-s5t]

Thats why i dont train people today. Im 60 yrs old have been training since i was 12, judo , goju ryu karate and western boxing. People today are to soft, not prepared to give it everything, everytime! You fight how you train! Old sc hool martial arts was and will always be, the best!

[@combatsportsarchive7632]

I would advise anyone on this comment section to check out one of my recent videos which is titled as Real Footages of Effective Karate in Street Fights. The real ones emphasize body conditioning on like this video above.

[@tobewills2665]

Our Sensei's ran over our stomachs in the 80s. From stomach to stomach for adults and step in-between for the kids but we still got it lol

[@DouglasGomesBueno]

Modern Japanese Karate the Old School Karate there's no GI and no Belt System and is even more Brutal, The last Master of Old School Karate are the Legendary Motobu the Boxer Killer.

[@marounasmar9012]

Most of old schools were tougher on many levels than today’s, and that includes all Japanese martial arts

[@areitomusic]

Chadi - I encourage you to reach out to Hokama Tetsuhiro Sensei of Okinawa. Practitioners on his level can give you the proper perspective a koryu practitioner seeks.

[@محمدحمو-ك7ظ]

Chadi where are your dojo n Paris 🗼 I will visit you next

[@didiervidry7687]

Morio HIGAONNA sensei is the best karatéka ever. A vidéo ?

[@TIMO-q3u]

Which karate school is this video from?

[@adrianjagmag]

Hojo Undo.

[@NB-xq4qt]

this is a very old video

[@BANIASU-abandoned]

何処でビデオを見つけてくるんだ

[@Chadi]

KZbinで

[@dangerdavefreestyle]

Beyond a certain point i dont see any benefit physically. its like what the Navy Seals have to go through, ive heard the instructors say "at this point its about the suck, to build mental fortitude" and ive heard a kyokushin instructor say that too. I like documentaries.

[@MizanQistina]

There's a problem in western education, spoiling children too much. Most of Silat training and conditioning won't pass in the west. 😂 The result is? Well, so far I see Silat athlete in the west are weak, they never win any Silat competitions in the South East Asia. They can compete against themselves of course, but it is a different game against the South East Asians. Their movements are stiff, slow and robotic. This is no way mocking western MA practitioners, but you guys cannot just take certain things in Asia only in your western scope, take them fully then you can see different result. How you want to beat us while we all trained differently?

[@Igor110566]

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[@ДмитрийЗорин-я2п]

All those "conditioning and strengthening" is not the core and essence of the art, just a supportive practice which even in Funakoshi's times already became much overrated and substituted the core practices due to the possible lack of knowledge (or maybe understanding) and because of that feeling that an intense physical activity gives- feeling of body strenght. It works quite well when you're young and able, but soon after achieving your 30-s or 40-s such practices start to be problematic, which doesn't correspond with the ancient idea of growing stronger with aging. Either the above mentioned way of training is wrong or the masters of the past lied... One more idea: imagine that you don't know the technology how to become stronger and combat-capable other from just studying techniques and raising the level of you physical abilities through extensive training- what would your training process look like? Right, it will be long and exhausting...

[@SpiritOfJustice]

Oss

[@davidanderson3684]

Lol i remember back in the 70' the instructor's were brutal lol especially walking over your stomach and some the female's have to deal with it lol!

[@andrewlally7828]

Proper hard graft.Wouldnt appeal to may modern "martial artists" though

[@KarlKarsnark]

Tough is good, fast and fit is better. A lot of these guys were absolutely TINY by today's standards. so they had to be tough b/c they were going to get beat up my much larger people from outside Japan. Even the "Masters" talk about how hard it was, if not impossible, to move "Big Westerners" and they avoided trading blows at all costs. A +200lb. "Westerner" could literally kill a typical 120-30lb.Japanese with one good punch/kick to the head. Hence the emphasis on grappling in "Modern" Martial Arts like Aikido, Judo, etc....They knew they couldn't win the "stand up"/"fight" game, so they were always looking for ways to go to the ground where strength and reach mattered less.

[@cletusgadsden2969]

Hmmm....

[@michaelterrell5061]

I don’t know about all that. A guy who can fight better than a guy bigger than them is gonna be the winner of that fight. And it’s not like the average westerner was 200 pounds, I mean for Christ sake they just got through the Great Depression, they weren’t all that big to be honest.

[@jordanrock3494]

🤣 stop it bro..

[@TheReverb1]

...they never ever teach Karate to the USA GI Joe s etc but money ruled

[@jordanrock3494]

@TheReverb1 The Germans in ww2 practicing Karate with the Japanese is wild footage. I can't find it anywhere. 🤷‍♂️

[@СЕРГЕЙСЛЕСАРЕВ-й5ж]

грубая сила не имеющая ничего общего с китайским шаолиньским кунфу ))