The Gus Johnson Interview that Changed Everything

[@Hannahgs]

You have singlehandedly changed my mind on this situation. Genuinely, with modern discourse it has been hard for me not to see everything as Black and white: one villain and one hero. But this situation is a lot more nuanced than I originally read it as. I just wanna say though, for future reference, abused spouses (men and women) will go back to their partners many times before finally breaking it off. So her wanting to get back together isn't really proof of anything. These relationships are often fostered on a codependent foundation so both partners feel they cannot live without the other. Regardless of how they were treated. It's like how people will say " they cant have committed suicide, they were so happy" when research shows suicidal people are often really happy in the days leading up to the end, because they see an out. Just some food for thought.

[@mysterm1833]

Fair point, and as a comment crusader, I appreciate your open-mindedness. She tried to paint a portrait of abuse, but it just wasn't. Many close to Gus believe she had used him for his money (at the time) and as a springboard for her own career, so when her meal ticket went away, she lashed out. Yes, Gus messed up in 2018 when he was young, broke, new to LA, new in this relationship, and suddenly overwhelmed with a stressful and frightening development (unwanted pregnancy). It turned into a medical nightmare. He was there for the physical healing, but when she had a mental health breakdown, he was ignorant, selfish, frustrated. He was repeatedly running her to the er only to be sent away as a panic attack. She was waking him every night. He was exhausted and sleep deprived and confused and worried, trying to keep his career on track and talk her off the ledge repeatedly. Yes, he said insensitive things, and I think few people would handle that situation perfectly. Most people don't even know the tip of the iceberg of the situation, but have sat back and judged based on a hit piece and other gossipy, rumor-filled rants by others. It is sad. He has lost so much because of all of this. Incidentally, they made peace privately several months ago, where this all belonged in the first place. They should have broken up right away, but he didn't want to be the bad guy, and then his 2019 tour came and she was really helpful but it was more of a business relationship, and then the pandemic hit and he made more money, and they were "stuck together." It just dragged on too long and should have ended sooner. She tried to paint him in a bad light again after her elective nose job when she was healing in his home in a room adjacent to where he streamed. He asked her permission to stream. She granted it. He needed to make money to subsidize her life. People just do not know the full story. Either way, time to move on and let them both do the same. Thanks again for this comment.

[@martyjehovah]

He does make a point to specifically state that her trying to get back with gus does not prove he wasn't abusive. I can see why a lot of people would interpret it that way, and i think that's why he did specify that, because he doesn't want to be guilty of trying to change minds by implying something he won't actually say because he knows it's not true the way Sabrina appears to have often done

[@josiescites7933]

I dont think anyone is saying anything about Sabrina wanting to come back. More the fact she wanted to get back together and THEN made the video. Which is very odd behavior after someone turns you down. Comes off as a vendetta. Also, I dont think we can consider Gus abusive or their relationship abusive. It was just a bad relationship that ended badly. People have those sometimes without it being considered abuse but everyone loves their buzzwords nowadays.

[@Hannahgs]

@@josiescites7933 did I say Gus was abusive?

[@josiescites7933]

@@Hannahgs you literally said "abused spouses will go back to their partners" when in reference to Sabrina going back to Gus. So, in context, yeah, you did.

[@coffeebubbles22]

I have two main thoughts here. When it comes to Gus wanting to listen to the phone call, if my partner were going through a medical emergency or something i probably would want to hear what the medical professional has to say so that i have an understanding of the situation and can do my best to help. However if my partner is uncomfortable with that, thats fine and i think grabbing the phone was out of line. When it comes to Gus wanting to leave if Sabrina doesnt have an abortion, i think Sabrina should absolutely be able to make her own decision. But if they had discussed not wanting kids, what they would want to do in the event of a pregnancy, i think its unfair to expect Gus to change his mind on that even if Sabrina had.

[@anniehershel815]

Not to mention that was 6 months into them dating and Gus was 21. I would have panicked if my partner suggested that too :/

[@KATinBLACK]

I agree. I believe women should have a choice BUT the choices we make have *consequences.* You can choose to not let the potential father have a say in the matter, but he might not stick around. She can't say she was forced to have an abortion or that that was abusive; she made a choice. Actually a good choice in retrospect because if she didn't go through all this, they might've not found the burst fallopian tube till it was way too late

[@mors_ontologica_9242]

Agreed. You have to see it from both sides since they're both responsible for the pregnancy. She claims that she was "forced" to have an abortion, but from his perspective otherwise it would be her "forcing" him to have an unwanted child. This entire argument from her completely dismisses his equal right to decide whether or not he wants a child. Her decision to have the abortion in order to continue the relationship was just that- her decision.

[@tsuki3752]

@@mors_ontologica_9242 agreed. this was something i always thought. it’s both of the parent’s choice whether or not they want the baby. if one didn’t want a baby and was clear about it but the other forced them- then no, that’s not good, no matter who they are or what their gender is. i can see forcing an abortion being abusive but for the most part, i think medical professionals are very careful with those kinds of things so i think the responsibility would be on both.

[@Bowblaxian_Tricknology]

Maybe he thought she was being dishonest and wanted to hear what the nurse was actually saying. Yanking on the phone is bad, though.

[@illustrations.by.sheposco]

As someone who has been a victim of abuse, I think this is a good analysis, I will say: abuse can be hard to verbalize, and people being abused are often also not in a good head space. I was being my worst self when I was being abused, and in retrospect, I can see times when I was toeing the line because I started mimicking my abuser. My point is just that abuse is messy and it's very hard to be objective from the outside and from the inside. Righteous indignation is a hell of a drug

[@neku2741]

As an abuser I think what you think doesn't matter, all that matters is the proof.

[@bobbyfischer9927]

@@neku2741What a stupid comment. You probably though it was funny huh? I’d put you down in a heart beat

[@JustCallMeCeles]

@@neku2741 r/im14andthisisdeep

[@kiarii.planet]

Somehow trying to doge accountability 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@lolaartemis]

r/imanabuserandthisisdeep

[@maddiejoy6619]

The yelling versus disengaging when upset sounds like my parents. My mom would yell and my dad would disengage. My mom would feel like she wasn't being heard or listened to, so she'd yell more. My dad would disengage more because she was yelling. This often comes from a lack of self awareness and lack of effective communication skills.

[@JackieAnderson17]

Sounds similar to my parents. I imagine that is the average nuclear parent experience. Mom is the yeller, dad disengages. Isn’t this for everyone. Like my dad seldom yells as loud as possible as mom, that is why it is scarier when dad yells when we were little. Men and woman are different, argue differently. Dad is always likely to be the more stoic one. Mom the more emotional one. Thus mom is the one who is first to yell usually. And usually the one who is willing to yell longer. The man learns this quick and just wants it to be over as quickly as possible for yelling back (even if they are logically "winning" the argument) will just make it go on for hours. And arguably, if the man yells as hard as the woman does it seems borderline abusive. So why risk it? Wait until they have calmed down, that is usually what disengaging is doing. Maybe your mom and dads are different than mine and all my friends.

[@Ana-rf5cu]

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[@Persun_McPersonson]

@@JackieAnderson17 Both my parents yelled. Men and women are not inherently very different at all, but they are generally taught to behave differently - but that has nothing to do with yelling in particular. Yelling vs. disengaging is more a matter of personality.

[@sleeper9638]

Yelling is not effective communication, if you can't communicate as an adult then nobody really owes you their attention

[@Persun_McPersonson]

@@sleeper9638 Disengaging is no more mature or productive.

[@Colonel_Mustsard]

Weird how Nick and Ethan seem to have a habit of spreading half baked allegations

[@Bowblaxian_Tricknology]

It's almost as if they want to be seen as champions of women in order to get some 😽

[@mariac4127]

@@Bowblaxian_Tricknologyand to keep up their progressive image that helps them make money through rage-bait content (I legit agree w their political takes and even I can see how disingenuous they are).

[@hand13932]

nobody on earth does this. @@Bowblaxian_Tricknology

[@simoneidson21]

@@Bowblaxian_TricknologyWhy do you assume the worst in people? You do know that not all male feminists just want to get pussy right? It’s very telling you think that’s the only reason someone could do that. Honestly, I just think they want to present a progressive image

[@_lil_lil]

I'm glad the Supermega controversy exposed them for what they were (at least to those of us who only knew of them by proxy to creators like Danny Gonzales and Jarvis Johnson). The fact that Ethan is so un-self-aware is embarrassing in particular, but I guess he's dating the girl who lied about Matt and Ryan, so whatever.

[@auggiemain]

I'm so glad you screenshotted the Mr. Beard comment. I've had a lot of people say some dumb shit and then delete their comment either after I get the notification or after I respond. I screenshot shit like that on impulse now.

[@Pihsrosnec]

for the notification one, it could just be their comment getting shadow banned by youtube. youtube has really weird bot moderation and will sometimes limit your comments visibility to yourself and notifications.

[@halen1]

Okay. I can agree with a lot of this. It’s actually a very fair and measured take. A lot of Gus apologists point to this video as proof that Sabrina is bad and Gus is good. So I was worried this would be a bad take. I’m glad that wasn’t the case. Instead, I think your analysis highlights more than anything else that this is a rocky break-up between two people who feel hurt and upset by it to this day and have said and done things they shouldn’t have. I’m still disappointed in Gus for how he handled the stress of Sabrina’s ectopic pregnancy and consequently can’t appreciate his content. But it’s important to note that Sabrina hasn’t been a saint throughout all this either. There isn’t really a side to pick and they should both be held accountable for what they’re guilty of. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@MyYTReplyNotificationsAreOff]

youre just as stupid as this idiot then because he had a lot of holes in his arguments that proves he doesnt know anything about abuse, victims, or abusers. sabrina literally has done extremely little in terms of what shes done wrong compared to gus yet this man took it upon himself to make an entire video that calls her a liar for things she literally did not lie about, he just doesnt even understand what he's seeing. like claiming she lied about seeing a therapist even though she clearly states therapists are different from coaches? how is she lying then? just because he doesnt think theyre different doesnt make her a liar? especially since they are literally different? one has a degree and the other doesnt? then hes claiming she shouldnt mention what was said in the session even though its *not* therapy, gus brought up the sessions and their purpose first, and she's fully allowed to talk about gus wanting to be 'polyamorous' when that would already be public knowledge as soon as he decided to do it anyway? its not like she shared some private, traumatic moment he had or something? shes also allowed to see it as it is, which is him wanting to fuck other people. this idiot can disagree about that, but MANY people see polyamory as that and she is one of them. and its not a coincidence only the 'polyamorous' losers want that knowledge to be private. its almost like people will judge him for it if they found out and thats why this loser of a youtuber thinks it was wrong for her to disclose it? he also tries to call her out for wanting to get back together with gus in order to feel normal again even though that is an extremely common thing abuse victims do because they dont know anything else and feel completely lost once theyre no longer in fight or flight. this man is a misogynist who pretends to be moral by completely misunderstanding situations he has zero ability to understand and then tells other people the same wrong conclusions. he cant even comprehend how coaching and therapy can be different nor can he comprehend how both still cost a lot bc BOTH are valuable services, so how the heck is he qualified to judge how a victim reacts to publicizing her victimization? its so clear that she was still navigating how to handle her feelings and what happened to her and that was affecting how she told her story, but that doesnt make any of it wrong and certainly doesnt make gus right yet this man took her small mistakes, and in many cases non-mistakes, as reason to call her a liar for something gus himself has admitted to. just watching 10 minutes of this disgusting video showed me that, so i cant even say how much more garbage he spewed, but you need to look more critically towards people who try to claim victims are liars when their limited 'proof' comes from something like not knowing the difference between coaching and therapy while the victim does. her not being able to perfectly handle telling her story DOES NOT give you the right to claim it was 'a rocky break-up' or 'there isnt really a side to pick' when the things she supposedly did wrong were only AFTER the break up while he was being emotionally neglectful and abusive DURING their relationship, especially when he definitely did bad things while the most she's done, if at all, is lie, or more like not explain clearly, about ultimately small details in the scheme of things. yall are disgusting and are the reason male loneliness is rising and relationships/families are dying. keep claiming women are being as bad as abusive/cheating men and women will keep leaving men to deal with themselves instead of letting ourselves get further abused and gaslit.

[@chiggybungu8881]

Based

[@JackieAnderson17]

She got what she wanted from you though as she did with me: we no longer can watch his shit.

[@evanhenderson9461]

@@JackieAnderson17I'll say this though I don't have a fully developed opinion. The innocence of Gus' videos are gone because we know too much about him. It would happen to pretty much any creator. It's just a human response to knowing someone too closely but not having a reason to stick by them.

[@halen1]

Exactly. I, for one, am not denying Sabrina had malevolent motives behind her actions. But like, of course she did? Y'know? Of course that was a part of it; just as much as she of course wanted to express her pain and experience. There was a lot of complicated emotions involved. I don't really condemn either of them for it, honestly. They're human, like anyone else. But I was a fan of Gus. I respected him and I thought his attitude and values were golden. That's why his actions hurt so much. That's why I bother at all to research this and state that I can't watch him anymore. Because I did watch him. I was a fan. But the old statement of "don't meet your heroes", continues to prove it stands the test of time. The hypocrisy is what gets me. Only because I was fooled into holding him to a higher standard than he really deserved. That's more my bad than it is his. But that's all it takes. I'm human too, after all. I wish him well though. I don't hate him. idk why I came back to rant about this. I'm drunk ngl. If you're reading this, I want you to know that should totally ask out your crush. Because worst case scenario: the rejection will make you stronger. LOL. Don't listen to me. Or do... >_>

[@CIoneOutcast]

Its so weird to me that people have trouble understanding that both people in a relationship can be shitty to each other.

[@BareBandSubscription]

It’s even weirder how some people also can’t acknowledge when one partner is clearly much more toxic, vindictive, or at fault, and instead choose to take the perspective of “it’s mutual”.

[@lebecccomputer287]

@@BareBandSubscription women good, men bad

[@YoursUntruly]

@@BareBandSubscription couldn’t have been that bad. She only posted the video because he rejected her.

[@miniard11b]

I don't know if it is due to virtue signaling in an attempt to look like a good person or because some cannot form their own opinions based on all the facts and will just believe the first thing they hear or not believe things based solely on their own biases. It is a very weird thing, especially when we do not know the full story and have only one person's side to it and the circumstances surrounding the incident.

[@HonkeyKongLive]

People are compelled to sort every situation into good vs bad. Every story needs a hero and a villain.

[@therealharshlycritical]

nickisnotgrean or whatever his name is just oozes weasel to me

[@jamesgatz5301]

Nickisnotgreen has just been caught once again lying about a similar “abuse” situation.

[@lolaartemis]

I saw a few nick green videos. Followed him. Saw this. Icky, but okay, mistakes, maybe nick green's good is the bigger picture ... then I saw another video with issues with nick. Then another. I can't help but believe now that nick is blinding himself to his own errors. Unfollowed his channels. Hopeful one day for a nick pulled his blinders off video.

[@lolaartemis]

Oh! Nick & Ethan ... maybe they represent the mid-transition ... insightful often, aware of things ... but still not quite emotionally mature or personally aware enough to catch the problems in themselves. Maybe they are a good example to show others this disconnect can happen to anybody.

[@WesleyLindsey]

Prophet

[@Steppin--]

Ya he's trash

[@Marco-tb9jy]

I appreciate the nuanced and good faith arguments here. I also didn't know about Gus crying in one of his videos but upon seeing it I don't have a problem with him sharing that aspect of his life. I think a lot of people on the internet refuse to recognize the complexity of the controversy or how this impacted Gus on a personal level. I read his video as an authentic glimpse into his personal life rather than an appeal for sympathy.

[@sean5572]

Coming to witness this months after it all started is a chaotic ride. I think this is a good example of grey area. Nobody really handled things amazingly. Everyone messed up in this situation, at varying degrees. I just don't know how people could blindly jump to either side. Obviously Gus was pretty neglectful, but Sabrina blew things farther than need be with methods that are less than stellar. God, the internet is a strange place. Thanks for the video in either case, was a fun series to watch.

[@CERTAIND00M]

This whole situation has taught me one very valuable lesson: *Righteous indignation is a hell of a drug.*

[@JimmyRobins]

Fair enough. A lot of people want to do the right thing so badly but can’t be bothered to question what that actually is.

[@CERTAIND00M]

@@JimmyRobins Too true, sadly. I feel like you and I are similar in that, if there HAD been validity to Sabrina's claims, we wouldn't have been bothered by Gus's career going down in flames. I don't like to wish bad things on anyone but I'm definitely not going to go out of my way to defend an abuser because he's also an above-average KZbin comedian. And in all honesty, I only ever thought Gus was kind of funny. If his channel had never uploaded again, I probably wouldn't have even noticed. But then this particular drama caught my attention and, being the absolute nerd that I am, I of course had to thoroughly research the entire ordeal. And what I saw on Sabrina's end was a bunch of textbook manipulation tactics and a purposefully muddled narrative that couldn't have been less charitable to the other side if it was a nonprofit run by (shit, I didn't wanna make this political) somebody like Trump but not him. No, I'm not comparing Sabrina to Trump. That's not what I-Oh, god! This parachute is a knapsack! P.S. Thanks for all three of these videos. I can only assume how mentally draining they were to make. This is in no way a "fun" topic to discuss at ANY length, let alone in detail. But your videos were exactly what this discourse so desperately needed.

[@michaelmadden2741]

@@CERTAIND00M Eddie has always been a spineless wannabe leftist with badly researched and smug sounding half assed video essays topped with thick framed hipstery glasses and a mustache being the bulk of his content--he's noah sampsen but without any of the intelligence or cleverness. I think you're right that the real bummer is Eddie and it's criminal that he's getting millions of views; his content and commentary suck, and he has no apparent principles whatsoever.

[@theperson8539]

@@JimmyRobins I agree with a fair bit of what you've said but at 1:05:59, the phone thing, I don't think it's inconceivable or about setting terms. I 100% agree that it was wrong and rude, and you could still be right or there could be an entirely different reason behind that action, but I think that (only in my opinion and not necessarily in truth) a reason for it may have been a lack of trust. It feels as though he didn't think she was actually going to listen to the nurse, and wanted to know exactly what was being said in that situation. Again, I could be completely wrong, I just think that's one possible perspective that, while not justifying or excusing what he did, might explain why he did it.

[@BakedBrain7100]

@@CERTAIND00M Gus Johnson’s right away admitted to everything sabrina said, took accountability for everything before he back tracked on pay money wubby or whatever the fuck his name is.

[@floogin213]

"Proximity does not equate to expert knowledge." Straight-up fire

[@SirVer51]

So fun fact: when I originally saw this video pop up I had no idea who you were and ignored it since the thumbnail and title gave me somewhat "reactionary" vibes. The next day, I got a couple of your other videos recommended to me and found them to be well-argued and understanding of nuance, which is when I realized that this video was also by you, and I decided to watch it. I'm glad I did, because you changed my perception of this whole mess and made me far less certain of my conclusions, which in this case was a good thing. I appreciate the level-headedness with which you present events and frame your ideas, even if I don't always 100% agree with them. Keep up the good work!

[@stormiette]

I know this is an older video, but I wanted to follow up with what had happened in this controversy and came across your video. Thank you so much for digging into the evidence - at the time I had enjoyed Gus’s content, but felt the whole situation was icky and sad and dropped out of the discourse when it quickly turned nasty amongst the fans. This puts things into context, and clarifies a lot of the ambiguity I was observing when everything was going down. Two things: 1. It is absolutely a reality that women’s healthcare is terrible in the USA, and it’s only gotten worse since Roe was overturned as many OBGYNs have retired or left the field to avoid the legal minefield that exists for them now. It’s very sad, as you observed, that the message on that was dwarfed by the drama by Sabrina’s own actions. 2. On the question of if whether him breaking up with her if she’d had a viable pregnancy and carried to term would be abusive - NO! It would not be abusive! This is the worst take I keep seeing. I attribute it to the relative age of most of the fans in this discourse who probably have similar amounts of life experience that Gus and Sabrina had, but I’m older than the average demo I’m sure. It’s a very immature and puritanical mindset that there has to be “valid” reason for a breakup. You can break up with someone for anything anytime, period. Sabrina obviously interpreted his statement as a threat, but I imagine Gus interpreted her desire to give birth as a threat as well. These kids have NO CLUE how intensely life changing it is to have a child, and especially one you don’t want! In my opinion it is far more irresponsible to bring a child into what was clearly a toxic relationship than it is to leave that relationship over a change of priorities. Either way, not an example of abuse, just an example of change and misaligned goals which is TOTALLY NORMAL when you’re in your early twenties. This is why most relationships formed so young don’t last. People grow and realize they need different things. No one is at fault for that. Do I think they handled this well? No. It very much reminds me of relationships I experienced and observed at that age when the partners involved didn’t have the life experience and emotional maturity to handle serious issues. Long comment that you probably won’t see, but you did a great job of breaking this down. IMO Everyone’s the asshole here, but as far as I can tell nobody’s an abuser, unless we’re talking about abusing the court of public opinion to get back at an ex. Jeez.

[@panickedshears]

I’ve never really liked Nick. Something about his videos really just rubbed me the wrong way from the first time I them. His videos made me so put off that even when a creator I like makes a collab with him, I don’t even want to watch it. Honesty, now I’m so glad I decided not to follow him, he sounds so negative and manipulative.

[@burninintexas7597]

The fact she went public and kept attacking him says it all.

[@HeVn7LaO]

I remember watching Sabrina’s video and being sympathetic to her plight (partly because of my own gynecological problems) and horrified by her ex’s treatment of her while she is going through her pregnancy…i didn’t know them and can only judge to the extent of that video which vilifies her ex so much because she removed so much of the nuance and context… I’m glad that we have few YTbers like you who is dedicated in research and really providing nuanced and context to issues before providing his take because videos like what Sabrina put forth destroys reputations and can kill careers… It was a bad relationship…but by highlighting her suffering and her ex’s behavior during the ordeal instead of also providing context that she was also toxic with him it came across that Gus was an unredeemable evil person when in reality was they were in a very toxic relationship and that they both became bad people to each other.

[@Y_u_dum]

No excuses, you assumed she was right and instantly blamed him. Disgusting. Edit: before anyone tells me, yes, I know Gus is not innocent either. They BOTH should've gotten more repercussions, but sabrina deserves worse for false claims, manipulation, all that. Gus atleast admitted to doing his actions. So basically, Gus deserves his punishment by 60% and sabrina deserves 80%. False claims make sure that future claims are ignored completely.

[@anythingelse3677]

@@Y_u_dum You sound biased as hell

[@_lil_lil]

​@Y_u_dum "you believed the victim, fuck you" Yikes dude. It's good to be measured in your approach to these things, and some people think he's an irredeemable awful person and they're wrong, but most victims aren't lying, and I believe that what she went through was horrible and he wasn't very supportive during that time, even if she wasn't fully transparent. Also, people changing their minds when they get more information is good, hearing a video with a more nuanced view like this and then unironically saying this is kinda wild.

[@brow1920]

You are an example of toxic femininity. Most women appear to have this problem. It makes me question how anyone can expect women to be judges or in places of power when they lack such major character traits like fairness and equality.

[@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies]

"If you know the truth is enough to make the other person look bad, why would you make up misleading claims?" this question is exactly why I was always skeptikal - and you've basically reaffirmed all of my skepticism with this video...

[@alicehermioneannabeth]

commenting in the middle of the video :) I think Sabrina's lack of consistency and her bending the truth in regards to Gus is very problematic and is also, worse-ly, discrediting her, though I believe she did go through very traumatic events that made her very hurt and vulnerable. I think you bring up good points and grounding Gus's character - he is not a villain, I believe he was misguided and hurtful to Sabrina. It seems that Sabrina had a lot of mental health struggles even before the pregnancy and stuff and their relationship wasn't good for her. I think it was good to put a spotlight on the relationship of Sabrina with her family, as it put into context her relationships with other people, in my opinion. From how i see it, her family is not a safe place. they are judgmental and neglectful to her. these are the first relationships she formed and known and they hue every relationship afterwards.

[@jacobhansen4388]

When the drama first came out I backed out and just pushed away. Whenever the drama comes up it feels like it is better to be out of it. And to finally get the "closure" to see how the situation actually is, I'm excited to be able to move on from this all and just keep enjoying youtube

[@lissie3669]

oh goody you dont have to be burdened while you watch your youtube! get a life dude lmao

[@wob3786]

​@@lissie3669 for real. They really just want any evidence that they can use to feel better about themselves and not have to change anything.

[@ephemeraIl]

Nobody else broke down the situation like you did. You’re a sensible guy, and incredibly underrated

[@tinytot6199]

I have yet to find a video criticizing Sabrina without also totally supporting Gus until now, so this video is deeply refreshing

[@Hyperion5566]

I don’t think I’ve ever watched a nick video that went beyond surface level summarization

[@yennefer440]

That's what gets you popular on KZbin these days. Doing the bare minimum.

[@curtislumber6938]

Nicks video came off as a hit piece, frankly in tone

[@MrProofMan]

He tries so hard to be woke that he'll completely miss the point. It's frustrating.

[@stretchscreamers]

i recently unsubbed from nick. everytime i watch one of his videos i feel gross afterwards. he just feels immature. unlike Eddy Burback who ive always respected for his maturity.

[@trala8911]

@MrProofMan You hit the nail on the head dude. I liked him when I first ran across him but I quickly realised he was so dedicated to having the “right” take and calling out and cropping on anyone with the “wrong” take became so ridiculous that it was painful to watch

[@chuhaecherry8674]

Absolutely hit the nail on the head with this one. The amount of clear logical fallacies I noticed simply within Nick’s “commentary” video were absolutely baffling, backwards, and frustrating. To say that he “knows Sabrina” and therefore any take or statement made in question or critique of her actions is wrong and sexist, is remarkable. Name-calling, ad hominem, and strawman attacks are what these creators seem to thrive off of. Excellent video.

[@Enel97]

Thats literally what nicks videos are most of the time. When he isnt making comedy stuff which I enjoy he is giving his own garbage political takes that while I dont necessarily disagree with as a leftist make it very cllear that Niick isnan21 year old child with no critical thinking who rose to power too fast. He has a bunch of dickrider fans that praise him no matter uow dumb the things he says and thus will never grow and improve as other left or even right youtubers did

[@stick-itproductions.3307]

I felt the same way when I watched Nick's video. The "just believe me" angle he set really irked me. The only person who's come close to making me re-consider Gus's character was Eddy.

[@naomiburton7311]

Nick didn;t argue that point AT ALL. he gave context to their relationship and then actually proved his point, i highly doubt you have the brain capacity to watch one of his videos

[@ShadowMewto]

@@stick-itproductions.3307 What reason does Nick have to lie? He's smaller than everyone else involved in the situation, and it's not like he's getting anything but backlash for it. This video frustrates me because he, intentionally or not, mischaracterizes all of the arguements presented by both parties, making Sabrina's seem weaker than they actually are, and making Gus's seem stronger

[@EtopiaCA]

@@ShadowMewto When you misconstrue information and change your story constantly it weakens the feet you stand on, this is why Sabrina's side of the argument is objectively weaker. Nick had plenty of reasons to lie, whether it's saving face or piggybacking off relevancy.

[@dee.doubleyou]

it feels like it all boils down to: stop being spineless and say what you mean, Sabrina. I’ll admit, it probably feels really good to have everyone else advocate for you after having a severe medical experience where you had to do all the advocating. That doesn’t excuse continually vague and sketchy comments that clear up nothing and allowing other people to be your spokesperson with no firsthand knowledge. Icky in general.

[@JimmyRobins]

I think spineless is harsh given the presence of genuine trauma here for her, but otherwise 100%. I do not understand how we are supposed to look at her repeatedly being misleading and outright lying, but then take her friends’ (not even her own) word that she was abused for years with no specific examples.

[@dee.doubleyou]

@@JimmyRobins I personally would characterize snide comments or cryptic posts and outright lies as spineless (and although I know that’s harsh, I think it’s accurate). She’s clearly not spineless about her medical trauma-and I’m proud and amazed by that, as someone who’s experienced similar circumstances. My comment was not directed at her approach to discussion of her traumatic medical journey, but moreso towards her approach to discussion of her relationship with Gus.

[@scubasandwich3644]

I don't understand why "Sabrina never used his name" is a valid defense when it was obvious who the story was about. And it happened 3 years ago. That in itself demonstrates she knew exactly what she was doing. The video was premediated and intentional.

[@mysterm1833]

Yes, at the time of her video, It had happened over 3 years ago (5 years ago now-2018) and they stayed together three more years after the ordeal. They broke up in September 2021 and she tried for a couple of weeks to reunite, but he declined and she made the video in October 2021. Thank you, though. Many people in Gus’ life believe it was an intentional hit piece to hurt him personally, professionally, and financially. It did.

[@thatonehispanic7982]

She liked every tweet of people name dropping Gus and shit talking gus on Twitter she put more gasoline on the fire

[@_lil_lil]

I originally thought this was valid, and blaming her for the drama was unfair because some Twitter sleuths figured it out, until she started escalating things herself.

[@charlesw7397]

I originally found you from your first video on this situation and really appreciated your take on it. KZbin hasn't recommended me a video from you since then so I missed your 2 other videos. Really loved this one I remember finding Nick and Mr Beard around the time that Sabrina made her first video and actually kind of enjoyed their content. Then I tried to watch Nick's video on the topic and read Mr Beards tweets (despite always leaning towards believing Gus) and had to unfollow both of them. They are nuts. We don't need inflammatory videos from creators who can't separate their emotions/personal lives. We need creators who will actually look at the facts we've been given and not come to definitive conclusions. Sabrina has been shady in all of this. I still support Gus because even thought he did some bad things in the relationship, he seems like a good guy who never truly wanted to hurt her. Saddest part of all this was losing the Gus and Eddy podcast. I was a weekly listener and listening helped me relax while driving. I have a bit of anxiety while driving (not nearly as bad anymore) and going back to old G&E podcasts or Mega64 podcasts would help me chill out for some reason. Eddy flipping on a dime and then his vague Reddit post made me really bummed out and I haven't watched him since I know I'm finding this video 9 months late but I was watching Wubby during the stream that Gus joined and found it really insane that Sabrina implied it was set up lol Anyways, appreciate the video! Boys support boys 😢

[@liamthomas4644]

Eddie is such a snake of a friend. To take your friend's ex at her word without a giving a single chance to said friend to give his side of events. Wow. It be your own people, man.

[@milhousevanhoutan9235]

I think that's a massive leap to a conclusion. He stated "awful to ME" and while Jimmy points out that could mean a variety of things, it could also mean something not abusive but something that just makes him a bad friend; an example would be Gus wanting to monetize most or all of their time together and Eddie not really being on board with that. I am not necessarily saying that he DID that, I am saying that it is impossible to know and Eddie and Gus don't seem keen on sharing that information. I think his comment, "Someone was awful to you in private, but you don't want to bring it up because they're going through a lot," makes it clear that he had is own private issues with Gus separate from the Sabrina situation, however. In this, what is the most likely scenario given what he ACTUALLY said, hearing the full story from Sabrina is a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation because while it's not abusive the behavior is indefensible (by Gus' own admission) and likely confirmed things Eddie was already feeling.

[@mysterm1833]

@@milhousevanhoutan9235 Nah. Eddy is thin skinned and sanctimonious. He was livid when Gus tried commentary videos and asked him to stop. Silly. There were creative differences and roommate issues. Gus had moved out in 2020. Eddy did a massive public virtue signal to win internet points and protect his own career. The end of friendships and business relationships are one thing, but throwing him under the bus like that was reprehensible.

[@DestindKnee]

​@@mysterm1833Where did you get that Eddy asked Gus to stop commentary?

[@mysterm1833]

@@DestindKnee from real life.

[@maddieb.4282]

@@mysterm1833so you don’t actually have a source or any further information besides your own brain? Nice

[@dabeastfromdaweast9788]

I think the saddest part of all this to me is to see how unbelievably damaging this level of victim mentality can be when dealing with something traumatic like this. What she went through with her pregnancy was horrible but instead of getting the support she *_actually_* needed she got a bunch of yes men cheering her on for all her toxic behavior thus validating her completely toxic mentality and rooting her deeper and deeper into her trauma over the long term

[@echoecho7162]

It was a long time ago now, but I remember her story was also just confusing to follow. For instance, as she said at one point early on in the process that a doctor saw her when she hadn’t yet been seen by a doctor at all (it was nursing staff). It sounds like a very traumatic ordeal, while also sounding more dramatic than it already was. It didn’t need embellishment, but her aim was to do as much damage to Gus. She certainly achieved that.

[@laundroismat]

I have PTSD and I feel like I get where she’s coming from. Trauma really flattens conflict, removing all depth. It also makes you feel this sense of scarcity and threat so that you gather allies and attack first. But that’s bad. That’s a symptom of trauma, and reflexively validating that behavior stalls healing. I get that people feel loyal and righteous when they do that, but they’re being a bad friend. It sounds like a genuinely bad relationship and Gus sounds like a bad boyfriend, but that’s normal conflict. Traumatized people need to learn to navigate normative conflict to heal. Also, I have some major concerns on Sabrina’s end outside of the post-breakup conflict. Blaming a partner for not sleeping next to you even though you have PTSD is very codependent. The nurse phone call thing certainly could be unreasonable on Gus’ part, but I need to know more. It sounds at least possible that she may have a pattern of seeking medical attention for sympathy (the ectopic pregnancy is NOT an example of this- that shit is serious)

[@manic_girl]

I have PTSD too. Very much this. Codependency is not a way to heal. It’s a very hard thing to learn, but learning how to cope with trauma in a healthy way is so much more fulfilling. Working through trauma is exhausting, codependency is easier and provides comfort in familiarity. I really really hope she does the work, it’ll be much better in the long run. Mental health is not your fault, but it is your responsibility. Trauma may cause you to act in toxic ways, but it doesn’t make the hurt and conflict you caused any less valid.

[@Bowblaxian_Tricknology]

No, that behavior isn't necessarily explained by PTSD. It's just as (if not more) likely someone dealing with PTSD will be isolated, depersonalized, and/or conflict averse.

[@manic_girl]

⁠@@Bowblaxian_Tricknologydepends on the person. Fight, flight, freeze, and fawn are all different trauma responses.

[@involith]

im late to this situation, but the way you've articulated your view on this is incredibly concise, and its really refreshing to see a nuanced take on a situation like this, where usually people take only one side and often forgo crucial information in order to falsely accuse the other side of even worse or imply negligence for myself, i have been verbally abused by someone, and ive also had people outright deny this was abuse or insist that i should get over it because of the person being family or how long its been, and as such i take such situations very seriously when they become public because i understand how it feels to be abused, and how it feels to be denied my own trauma by others who have no clue what happened. so with all tjat said, i think that, while in certain contexts you dont have to divulge your abuse to others, in a situation like this wherein youre accusing this person of abuse on a public platform and are implying you want them to lose social status of some kind because of how theyre a dangerous person, you cannot expect everyone to believe you without speaking more on what happened. i know its hard to do, and i can only imagine how terrifying it might be to be open on such a large platform with it, but you are also tje one making a public accusation with a known name attached as the person in question who hurt you. with that, you cannot reasonably expect others to not question what they did or the patterns they exhibited if your statement is meant in any small part to undo their own platform. you dont need to give every single little detail, but you also must understand that people must know why this person is dangerous, what theyve done to accumulate this title youre assigning them if my abuser was on a major platform and i had reason to believe she would continue the behavior she had previous that hurt me, then i would want to speak out as to protect others who may end up in the same position i was in. to do this, i would share my experiences, as otherwise no one will know how this person is even abusive, you cant be told to avoid something without even a basic description to key you in to why you need to avoid this thing. additionally, if it were different and i didnt have any reason to believe she may hurt others, then realistically i have no reason to share my experience. i can if i wish to, but if i dont think theres a possibility someone else may be hurt and i think shes learned better, than besides sharing that she was abusive in the past, that does not apply to her today and thus isnt a warning anyone needs. some may not wish to platform her for this past behavior, i dont think id want to support someone who abused someone in the past myself, but if true change and progress can be seen vs the past, then theres no reason to believe this is an active threat there's definitely ways in which sabrina is being targetted and judged for things that she doesnt deserve, sexism is playing a very large part in how many people are approaching her, however this is not everyone whos speaking against her claims, and to make that blanket assumption is to block out people with genuine critique. neither of them were good partners for thw other it seems, with one wanting more than the other could give and the other being too concerned with their image over the others issues, however neither strictly outweigh the other and are moreso toxic traits that can be worked on vs any seemingly established patterns of abuse worth making massive public claims over. this didnt need to become a massive thing for everyone to know about because its pretty much just a bad relationship that ended, its not newsworthy, but because of how sabrinas exposed gus as the person she spoke of and how hes responded at times, now its becoming a game of picking sides at this point, it just seems like two people who had a shitty relationship on both behalves, and now parts of it are being blown up to pick sides, with one seemingly leaning more into a victim narrative vs the other (gus is still at fault for some of his previous behabior and for his guilt trip demonstrations, but sabrina seems to also be taking no accountability for her own actions that affected the relationship). both suck in the past and both suck at addressing it now, and this shit never even needed any public address to begin with

[@ZijnShayatanica]

I agree w/ you wholeheartedly. Like... Comparing this situation to the one between Toxic Tears & Jake Munro? That was very clearly a relationship w/ longterm emotional abuse. And while many abusers do limit their shitty traits to their victim, he was also just... Like that all the time. So other people were able to see how her treatment was consistent w/ his character. While a victim doesn't NEED character witnesses, it certainly helps... Especially in a situation that's being fed to the public. There's always a huge risk in being vulnerable within the public eye.

[@kaylabingus]

I had an icky feeling from the beginning when she mentioned their discussion of abortion before they found out it was ectopic. If the video is about women's Healthcare (and as a woman oh do I have some of my own stories about women's healthcare) why even bring up the discussion at all? I just don't see how it's relevant. I don't really understand how threatening to break up with someone is abusive too. Maybe if it's a pattern of behavior, but imo having different values, life goals, and plans for the future is a pretty good reason to break up. Especially since they made the agreement beforehand. I've made the same agreement with my bf (although my state doesn't seem to agree) and if he changed his mind and wanted me to keep it. I'd be upset too. And if he threatened to break up with me for getting an abortion, while that would be shitty since we talked about it beforehand, it still wouldn't be abusive. You're not entitled to a relationship with someone. Especially when that comes with one of the biggest responsibilities you can possibly have, being a parent. Idk, being a shitty boyfriend isn't the same as being an abusive boyfriend. I'm kinda curious what eddy's perspective was since he lived with them, but I probably wouldn't want to get in the middle of this if I was him either.

[@JimmyRobins]

Very valid points, and I appreciate hearing your perspective as a woman. Thank you!

[@MrProofMan]

I can't stand how people are throwing "abusive" around. He acted like a shitty partner, but none of his actions constitute abuse.

[@PapayaShuriken]

I’m gonna be real, major props to you for dissecting and analyzing this whole situation. Obviously it’s super complex and there’s a ton of he said/she said, but you presented both sides, and their wrong doings in a really convincing and unbiased manner. Also I absolutely adore your video making style. Keep up the good work, I am looking forward to your future uploads :D

[@zahraab5165]

Dude he is clearly biased

[@cloughie1981]

@@zahraab5165 Yeah biased as fuck. Girl is clearly an attention seeker and Gus is a piece of shit, but this 'Hi Gus's SubReddit teeheehee' dudes tongue is never further than an inch from Gus's anus.

[@blu7384]

@@zahraab5165if he’s “clearly biased” I’m clearly a shredded 6’2 black man with flowing thick locs & 6 figures in my bank account

[@jeffparker6826]

Sounds like every early 20's toxic relationship

[@gohan7104]

agreed, i think the worst part of all this is the 3 content creators acting like white knights for sabrina just for clout. they act like theyre god angel who make no mistakes. so gross.

[@andrewbroussard3664]

Seems like you’ve never been in a relationship this was something pretty complicated she got pregnant by him and she was having complications with the abortion not that many people go through what ol girl went through

[@Flyers9195]

@@andrewbroussard3664 ew you said “ol girl”

[@coasterthekid8867]

Except he’s in his late 20s

[@terradon852]

@@andrewbroussard3664 I think you missed the point. It sounds like every toxic relationship in the fact that both people act shitty in their own ways, it doesn’t really matter what the exact circumstances are.

[@vulpixelful]

1:06:50 At this rate, the internet will consider breaking up with someone in general abuse. It's ridiculous. Even if some people twist it into "it's abuse because he knew that she was financially dependent on him", well that's also an arrangement that they agreed to, so she knew that would be a factor if it didn't work out. The only other way I could think of is if people said "he knew this would make her ptsd worse". Well I'm also a neurodivergent adult and treating it well is also learning that other people aren't responsible for our triggers, even if they activate them. We need our own healthy coping mechanisms and even medical support, if necessary. IMO (lol) the "pressure to get an abortion" came from her. It was her idea that she should have been entitled to both the pregnancy _and_ his relationship with her.

[@jadamian5172]

It's videos like this that encourage me to pay attention to the creators of the content I consume, and for videos like this, I am thankful.

[@rachelr.5171]

Thank you so much for taking the time to provide specific examples to support your arguments. So many creators are too lazy to do that these days.

[@lolaartemis]

You said aksed again! Dude, you are my new favourite KZbinr, tied with long time fave Legal Eagle. Content is great, not just cuz you both say words that make me smile.

[@bakerfamily3]

This video NEEDS to be shared around. All the other big time creators who can say whatever they want and get views and money from it over shadow the level head content like this. That is really unfortunate and people need to take some time to see this.

[@capp0917]

Then help me share it around

[@thebreakfastmenu]

I initially was on the pro-Sabrina wagon. And even once I thought Gus had had enough flack, I still supported Sabrina, because I have dealt with countless problems at medical facilities due to my innumerable health issues. Then she did that response stream. I watched it, because I got notified, because, well... I followed and supported her. And that's when I felt like I'd been played for a fool. It wasn't Gus, or Paymoneywubby, or any other KZbinr that made me "turn against" Sabrina. It was Sabrina. She made it really abundantly clear that it was all about finding a way to make Gus continue to pay for her. Cancel Gus with a sob story and now she has rent money. The motive is clear as day. Gus had said he wanted to break up for a long time but it was easier not to. Gus wanting to break up with his girlfriend is NOT a cancelable offense. It's not abuse to say he wants to leave, albeit he did so in a rude way. And it's certainly not abuse to stop giving your girlfriend/ex girlfriend all the money in the world, a place to live, rides everywhere, paying medical bills, etc. because she wanted to use all her money for cosmetic surgery. The fact Gus was the "bad guy" for not supporting her cosmetic surgery is even clearer now, because why should he be paying her medical bills and giving her a place to live when she spent who knows how many tens of thousands on unneeded cosmetic surgery.

[@katie4639]

it is absolutely abuse to tell a partner who is struggling with a potentially fatal health condition that “anyone else would have left you by now.”

[@thebreakfastmenu]

@@katie4639 Learn how to read context. Gus said that well after the potentially fatal health condition had passed, during which her hospital visits, of which doctors continuously told him were unnecessary, were being paid for by *drumroll* Gus. Meanwhile she was saving thousands of dollars for cosmetic surgery. Gus is right. Anyone else WOULD have left her by then, because that's an absurd manipulative behavior on her part.

[@davidb.6681]

@@katie4639 The fact she monetized her original video says a lot about what was on her mind. She did that as a money grab, not to help spread awareness. She could have done that without monetizing the video. She also felt the need to mention material items she no longer has now that they aren't together. Like how she no longer had a car. She seemed more upset by specific items she no longer had over what she actually went through. That was a money grab and a purely spiteful revenge video and nothing more. More proof she did it out of pure revenge and spite? What was Gus getting ready to do in his life right as she released that video? He was getting ready to go on a tour. That's more than enough proof she didn't make that video as a way to spread awareness about that pregnancy issue, it was done purely to hurt Gus as much as possible and cash in on it.

[@HelloItsMikkan]

@@katie4639 and what she did if Twitter wasn't even added in the whole drama is Emotional Blackmail and Extortion . She let random strangers abuse him over their own issues and is now feeling good that she ruined someones life. AND SHE MONETIZED IT Thats not what you do when you are a good person

[@_lil_lil]

​@@katie4639that was a really shitty thing to say, I agree. But I'm getting the sense that it was pretty toxic from the start.

[@MrMikeauto0722]

So many things about this situation frustrated me. Her seemingly changing her mind on their decision to not have kids. She tried to get back together with him before showing Gus in such a bad light. All of his "friends" separating themselves from Gus without any firm reason why. So many people propping Sabrina's mental health with zero regard to Gus. The man was guilty of being in a relationship that seemed to have just drifted apart. Gus was on a steady upward pace and was becoming more mainstream because of his dedication to his career goals/dreams.

[@Chibbykins]

'guilty of drifiting apart' is a really reductive, disingenuous way to describe how he treated her during the pregnancy. he's allowed to be mad and scared that she was contemplating keeping a kid that could've derailed his career. doesn't excuse his actions during that period even a little bit

[@gogglespisano24]

@@Chibbykins But that was 5 YEARS afterwards, in which she decided to put out a video painting him as a devil. He broke up with her, and she did it to get back at him. Was he shitty? Sure was. But she wasn't exactly innocent

[@Chibbykins]

@@gogglespisano24 who exactly are you trying to argue with?

[@crenfick7750]

I'll admit I was whole hog "fuck Gus, team Sabrina" when all this first came out. Up until and including the wubby interview. But this video has really laid it out for me and I'm really reconsidering things.

[@crenfick7750]

Although I will say Eddie being vague shouldn't really be criticized. With others it seemed like a tactic to make Gus look worse. But with Eddie it felt like he actually just genuinely values his privacy around all this and felt pushed by others into revealing more than he ever wanted to in order to get them to stop hounding and criticizing him.

[@stretchscreamers]

@@crenfick7750 exactly. Eddys just a dude and he doesn't have to share details about his falling out with gus to the world.

[@HelloItsMikkan]

Kinda late about that.

[@wienerstein2817]

Because you're an idiot and can't think for yourself without watching a reaction youtuber to tell you what to think. Much like the way boomers watch Fox News to get their opinion.

[@_lil_lil]

​@@crenfick7750right. I think Eddy is the one person who was actually at all involved in this whole thing who did pretty much everything right, and if he felt Gus lied to him and didn't trust him anymore and therefore didn't want to continue being friends, that's understandable. Him giving the minimum amount of info to give us that context that the podcast was ending and then saying he didn't want to talk at length about it was the right thing to do.

[@tonatiuhornelas1472]

The only good thing about this whole situation is Nick has since fallen for grace and been exposed for the charlatan he is and Sabrina's youtube career has stagnated while Gus' career has never fully recovered at least he still gets +100k views on his vids

[@thiccrat]

honestly taken for a ride i was not expecting from this. i avoided all videos about this horrible situation for obviously a long time and assumed anything thats. not pro-sabrina content would be anti-women but does not seem like it at all. its so refreshing when other youtubers and people online just damn themselves by being gross for one reason or another in my eyes, therefore turning me away from any good points they could be making. thats how echo chambers stay put. i hope people can learn from this. im going to watch and see what else people state as fact and misconstrue so easily, that i might readily accept as a target audience for "their side." feeling just a little sheepish i couldn't have come up with that for myself lol. We have to always be ready to learn and grow into more advanced versions of ourselves, kinda like updating our OS. dont feel guilty, be grateful.

[@KyleBoise]

It's only be 4 videos since the last one lol. Brah, your videos are dope and you have to upload more. Good job, keep it up, I'm proud of you.

[@JimmyRobins]

Haha, thanks! I definitely want to increase my output, but I am definitely happy I took my time with this one.

[@D_YellowMadness]

Raising your voice in an argument is only considered abuse if you're male.

[@ollieb.9731]

I do wonder if Gus wanted to listen to the call because Sabrina had already demonstrated a pattern of lying or misrepresenting information. Like how she's done about this whole situation...

[@lubbydove]

jimmy!!! this video was amazingly made & written ! ve never been more happy to find a smaller creator with such talent, im so excited to watch your amazing commentary channel grow. 💖

[@chewy01234]

REALLY good analysis my dude. Your contextualization really scratched an itch in my brain.

[@satafly2917]

Great analysis mate, I hope your channel grows. Regarding your personal opinion at the end: From memory, Sabrina wanted Gus to reassure her that if she kept the baby then he'd be there for her. I'm pretty sure she repeats this more than once. His not engaging with that hypothetical is not "unacceptable" nor is it "shutting down a conversation" - it's holding her to an agreement that they already made, which you agreed was completely fair enough. But taking things a step further - I wouldn't even agree that Gus was a terrible boyfriend. He was a terrible caretaker, sure. But a terrible boyfriend? What the fuck kind of bar is it to set that someone needs to be capable of being the sole pillar of (emotional and financial) support for someone struggling with constant, extreme anxiety attacks AND major health issues. Because if Gus was a terrible partner by those standards then I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that so was Sabrina (and so are 99% of people). The part of this whole saga that's rubbed me the wrong way from day one is that everyone can relate to being let down by someone who was supposed to take care of them - everyone has been a child, and everyone has at least one memory of a parent or guardian handling things poorly. But not everyone, certainly not the average youtube fan, can relate to the opposite side of the equation. I already knew what Gus' side of the story was LONG before he gave his interview with Wubby. Anyone who's been expected to care for someone in Sabrina's situation by themselves would immediately have felt sympathy for Gus, even if they only heard her side of the story. People have no idea what it's like to experience that kind of pressure until they do. You have no idea what it's like to have all that demanded of yourself without any outlet to question them (because they'll take it poorly and have a meltdown), or reach out to friends (because it "needs to stay private"), or even just...ask them to care for you as well because you're supposed to be a team (because they are going through too much to extend that kind of support in return). No one would even consider suggesting that Sabrina was a bad girlfriend due to her severe mental health issues that stemmed from all this trauma. Not because it's false - it isn't. But because it's absurdly insensitive and unfair to her. You CAN'T be a good partner when you are completely overwhelmed by physical and mental pain, you need all your emotional energy to support yourself in that state. it would be expecting the impossible of her. But people, including you, are perfectly comfortable suggesting that Gus was a bad boyfriend...but it's complete bullshit. He COULDN'T be a good boyfriend under these circumstances. Far, far too much was asked of him. He was put in an untenable position and was practically destined to fail. You might as well judge a 13 year old for not being able to work with String Theory. No, it's not literally impossible, but it's so utterly absurd to expect of someone that it's a pointless judgement.

[@coffeebubbles22]

I think this whole situation is something we should not be privvy to. Sabrina is valid in sharing her trauma and the horrible situation she was in. But pregnancy is so personal to both of them that i dont feel right knowing about it? Im a woman who has never been pregnant and doesnt ever want to be. So i cant speak on that. I cant blame sabrina for wanting to carry out the pregnancy but i cant blame gus for not feeling the same. Again i think this is mostly a situation that shouldve been handled privately cause it is so personal and just opened them both up to discourse they both probably dont want. Sabrina opened herself up to being called a liar and people siding with Gus. And it opened gus up to people telling him hes the worst person ever. She put him in a losing situation (rightfully or not). It's one thing to talk about it with your personal friends and family and mutual friends. It's another thing to share it to the whole internet.

[@mysterm1833]

Gus has now endured 2.5+ years of hate, threats, harassment to him and his family, and suggestions he end his life. Disproportionate backlash to a highly private matter that was spewed and twisted for spite. Thanks for your maturity and understanding. They did make peace privately several months ago, but unfortunately the damage has been done.

[@coffeebubbles22]

@@mysterm1833 yeah I don't watch either of them anymore cause I don't agree with how either of them handled the situation but I hold no hard feelings against them as people and I'm gonna keep my opinions to this video without harassing either of them.

[@chungawumba2637]

it was common knowledge that Gus and Sabrina were dating. i mean for christ sake Gus is the reason Sabrina has an audience in the first place.

[@nicinat0r]

One of the best commentary videos I have ever seen, subscribed!

[@justnana13-klj40]

I mean thorough. Your research is unreal. Everytime I watch another one of your videos, I remember why I subscribed. Always impressed! 😊

[@LilRedWitch]

I absolutely was a person who wanted to jump to side with Sabrina because of the overwhelming arguments and seemingly valid arguments from reputable people and sources. I decided to step back and look at videos that gave a middle ground opinion and I’m so glad I did. I’m glad I didn’t nosedive into this and stepped back so I could learn and be educated. Definitely changed my outlook and helped me critically look at this situation from multiple angles.

[@penskepc2374]

Always remember that popular opinion on KZbin is almost always controlled by literal children.

[@LilRedWitch]

@@penskepc2374 sometimes literal children, yes. I think more than not it’s just mob mentality with, unfortunately, a misplaced sense of justice. We want justice so badly for victims it often leads to a tsunami of misinformation and victim blaming. It’s frustrating especially since people like her make real victims seem less believable 🥲

[@elvira4393]

I have honestly gotten a much more nuanced view on this whole thing. Thank you!

[@MrProofMan]

The “keep my name out your mouth” comment set me off. She’s had free range to say whatever she wants, but the second he defends himself it’s framed as provoking.

[@MrProofMan]

Also, it’s crazy frustrating how people nitpick everything Gus says, yet Sabrina makes these weak and vague points that everyone just accepts.

[@space_1073]

dude, yes

[@EnricoMatassa1535]

Best take on KZbin, good stuff

[@JimmyRobins]

Thanks!

[@kait711]

I really appreciate this video. I watched Nick’s video when it came out and thought it to be one of his more thought out videos as I’ve always seen him as a surface-level and amateur commentator at BEST (and contradictory, manipulative and highly uninteresting at worst) but this was finally the nail on the head for me to fully disengage from him and his content. I’ve also unsubbed from Mr. Beard from this (never followed Ethan). I was deadset on supporting Sabrina before seeing this but you did a really great job comprehensibly laying out all the objective details of the situation. Thank you.

[@roguefenixC55]

What Sabrina went through was horrific, but she comes off as immature at best, and emotionally manipulative at worst. I think Gus went for the phone cause he didnt trust her not to lie and say the nurse said to go to the hospital. His actions speak of a broken down man, and rasing your voice in an argument isn't exactly unheard of. I don't know for sure, but that's just the impression I get from both of them

[@trixter2009]

I immediately don't trust anyone who is able to record themselves crying.

[@smilesfordays]

I like the new cut. And I wanted to wish you more exposure. I saw the first one when I saw the BS on the wall and commented how much I appreciated you then, I saw the Gus interview with wubby and thought of you, and I just watched your tryguys snl analysis and thought to check this. You have the best and most level headed takes on this platform with only a few exceptions and I wish you the most exposure so that some people might actually learn from you. Best wishes and love.

[@elliotmarks06]

Thank you so much for these videos. There truly is no one else who goes in so much depth on things like this, especially without personal bias. Keep it up!

[@JimmyRobins]

I really appreciate the kind words. I don’t think I’m fully free from personal bias, but I try my best to be fair. Thanks again!

[@elliotmarks06]

Yes. Though you may have personal bias, you mention what is opinion vs fact, and use evidence to allow the viewer to make their own decisions. That's just about the best way to go about something like this.

[@Stevenasty]

Critical thinking it’s a lost art. I need you to save Supermega now because it happened EXACTLY the same way again

[@heatshark03]

I love gus Johnson but I haven't kept up with him the last couple years. That said, I was reminiscing and watching a new Eddy Burback video and thought to myself, "What's Gus up to rn?" A quick search sent me down a rabbit hole and that led me to your video. Then I saw you had a video on the current iilluminatii drama and started binging your content. I really appreciate your take on things and am glad I found your channel. I can't wait until you have over a million followers and I can claim I was there before you had 50k. Your take on this situation is logical, unbiased and well illustrated. Just wanted to say thank you for the content and I'm looking forward to being a part of this community. That being said this reminds me of a situation I once observed. We had a friend who was just some average looking guy. Kind of a douche, a bit chauvinist. The kind of guy who thought he was gods gift to women but in reality was just some average looking slightly over weight pizza delivery driver who peaked in high school. But he was married to this woman who was gorgeous. And she had a great job and let him do whatever he wanted while she worked and watched the kids. Then one day HE files for divorce. Of course we were all talking about it and I made some comment like "Why would he divorce her, you'd think it'd be the other way around" and my boyfriend just said "I don't know, but we werent there." So now when people start to comment or make assumptions about things I always say "I don't know, I wasn't there."

[@rewmnog]

Thanks for this video, i think the thing that really made me step back from my initial judgement and have more nuance in this topic was when you brought up how this is supposed to be about Sabrina's whole truth during the entire ectopic pregnancy scare but how she brushes aside the downright nasty way she says her family acted and as time went on turned the story more into centering Gus and her and not just her and her experiences with everything

[@trala8911]

I saw both Nick and MrBeard’s videos on this matter. But.... now I’ve seen yours, and yeah, you actually did convince me to take a fresh look at this situation and to see it differently, because you presented real evidence. And now I’m gonna go unsubscribe from MrBeast, who has shown himself in his conduct on this matter to not be the type of person I had thought him to be. (I already unsubbed from Nick after I watched two videos of his in a row on recommended, and in one he railed against why it’s so wrong to call people cringe and why the whole idea of cringe is inherently problematic, and in the next video that auto played he was calling someone cringe).

[@hamsandwich5059]

Nick and mr beard are very good content creators but goddamn can they be annoying. Mr beard (a good pianist) especially

[@dijonjohn1011]

Do not trust anything that KZbin drama channels say. 99% of them, are just farming views by making overtly biased videos. They want you to be as upset/angry as possible, so you'll comeback for more.

[@yt.reformed]

MrBeast?

[@Racmaster00]

Their evidence was “she’s my friend, I believe her”

[@AceofSpades-zi6zx]

Yeah mr beard is good at making content, but his opinions are just garbage

[@salter429]

you deserve so many more subs man.👍

[@JimmyRobins]

Thanks!

[@BrinkoBronko]

If it's true that Gus offered to make a video with Sabrina addressing the situation, then I can't help but think that she made it on her own just to slander him. Because why was their breakup the condition for it to be made? Just so she could state her side with no nuance? If so, then that's sick of her to use this horrible situation just to take a stab at him. The only other alternative I can think of is that she was too scared to share her side while he was present because he might try to invalidate her claims. But even after she DID make the video, Gus didn't try to deny any of it.

[@chrispysaid]

I'm willing to admit I may have been too ready to take Sabrina's side on this. Seeing how Gus has handled this situation with integrity and authenticity and how Sabrina has been shown to say things that are objectively false, or pretty obviously misleading at best, has made me realize I was wrong with my initial gut reaction. I'm willing to give Gus a second go.

[@lonelyxzephyr]

I love that you said more people changed their minds because of your videos. You have more of an outside view than these other content creators who "have more of a view of the relationship." Those content creators did it for the clout. Love your channel and everything you do keep doing what your doing 💯🙏🏻

[@nnacroon7356]

I do not understand how airing out relationship problems and your own mental health/health issues is a good idea. She blew up both of their carreers for no benefit. Like girl go see a therapist.

[@gogglespisano24]

It sounds like she was mad he didn't want to get back with her. Which is....really gross.

[@jkw5458]

You have truly changed my mind on this situation. Thank you.

[@Grim_sights]

Making this comments only 11 minutes in, and...holy damn. I never really saw much of the controversy since I never even noticed, but I am so glad I got to see a more up-to-date video on this, so I could atleast know this was created with most of the arguments dished out on both sides.

[@rawbrix]

Nice work man. Truth matters

[@MeekMallard]

This situation should have been handled privately and remained private. Yeah Gus was a shitty partner but nobody deserves this- it’s like me breaking up with a girl and having her come around to my job site to talk shit.

[@CaptainFracture]

Dunno why you’re saying he’s a shitty partner when he’s with an actual psychopath, like how can someone act perfect all the time when someone like that is manipulating you on the daily

[@RedFezLad]

​@@CaptainFracture to be fair yes even if she was "psycho" he even admits how he couldve done better. We arent perfect including gus but i agree that his role in it was completely overblown especially when people started calling it abuse towards her

[@CutDaCrap]

Exactly, the viewers are not entitled to every detail of your personal life. These ppl were young and relationships are difficult and messy. Especially when you add in an unwanted pregnancy. Gus, acted like most 20 something men that I know who are faced with this dilemma. It's unfortunate that the public cares more about moral bashing this guy than learning the lesson that this situation, hurtful comments from your partner and all, is very common. This should be part of the bigger discussion as to what women have to deal with in these moments. You do feel alone, there is alot of social pressure, and she mentions her family ALOT! She also says from the beginning that she intended from the second she knew she was pregnant that SHE wanted to abort. Everything after that is her feeling guilty about her decision and trying to place blame on everyone and everything but herself. This happens alot, I've seen it myself. It is the truth of how messy humans are and we should discuss THAT and have an open discussion about this to help others learn, but instead we are just saying oh bad white man who had a bad reaction to his GF's pregnancy, cancel him! This is exactly what is wrong with humanity imo.

[@zahraab5165]

People need to know what kinda person they are supporting and i say good on her for making it public!

[@MeekMallard]

@@zahraab5165 well you’re a little late to the party because turns out she was the shitty one lol

[@MadMax-dp2bb]

Its odd she felt the need to exaggerate the truth,considering what he admitted to alone was enough to change my opinion of him. He still sucks for what he did, but she sucks too for exaggerating the situation.

[@Y-two-K]

If Jared and Gus have taught us anything...don't give your heart to crazy. #BelieveSomeWomen

[@TheGreatEdBG]

Welcome back Jimmy! Glad to see you again! On the topic of Gus leaving a clip in where he's crying (24:40 in the video) I most likely think he left it in because while his mom was recording she started crying and she said that she wanted him to leave it in.

[@JimmyRobins]

Thank you! And yeah there’s no doubt them crying was authentic, but I’ve been critical of multiple creators in the past for very similar things, and it would be very misleading of me to not acknowledge the potential agenda. Thanks again!

[@dbzghs]

Hi. Gus' mom here. Someone told me about this video, and I haven't watched it or any of the others for or against my son. Just skimming comments. I cried spontaneously while we were filming because it has been a very difficult time for our family. I asked him not to put it in the video. I think he left it in to show his humanity through it all. We were both crying. It is hard for a decent guy who messed up to be told to kill himself every time he posts something. The threats and attacks from this ordeal have been pervasive and disproportionate, impacting the entire family. I know the whole story, but we are all advised to be quiet and he was advised to be non-specific. I'll probably come back to delete this later.

[@stretchscreamers]

@@dbzghs I'm really sorry all of this has happened to you and your family. Your sons (both of them) content is so great and creative and always brings a bright spot to my day. Have a nice day.

[@dbzghs]

@@stretchscreamers Kind of you to say. I'm not a fool, and realize that Gus made mistakes and didn't handle the ptsd crisis well, as he didn't understand it at the time. But there has been a lot of remorse, soul-searching, and growth through it all. The way it all came out just isn't how our family operates, so we were stunned and hurt by someone we welcomed into our home and hearts. Still, we wish her peace.

[@JimmyRobins]

@@dbzghs Mrs. Johnson, I deeply apologize for not responding to you sooner. I had no idea you commented on this video, and I stopped to respond as soon as I noticed. I have absolutely no doubt that the vulnerable moment between you and Gus was authentic, and I truly do not believe that there was any malicious intent from Gus in including it in his video. I cannot imagine the pain your family has endured throughout this ordeal, especially for you as a mother, and I appreciate you providing the story behind that clip. I really do hope your family is well and I am so sorry for the disgusting things that people online have directed towards you all. So many of those people have either circulated lies for personal gain, or completely wrote-off Gus for mistakes that took place years ago despite him doing everything in his power to make things right. It is disgusting, and the strength with which your family has faced this cannot be overstated. I wish your family all the best, and I hope the future contains nothing but peace for you all.

[@KyloRenmcgoo]

Thank you for making this video, I’m so mad that the other content creators’ less analytical videos on the topic got so many more views

[@yasininn76]

So basically, Sabrina is an attention seeking egomaniac and gus was put into a decision he didn't want to make because the whole "her body her choice" as if he wouldn't had have to be a father of her child or pay child support if he left. Gus was right, he had the right to be angry at her.

[@anniehershel815]

And they were 6 months into dating. No one in their right mind would want a kid that early.

[@ldiotsun]

This is truly an excellent video. Summons up everything I've thought myself.

[@looniemoonie5955]

Well it only proves my point: there's no such things as black and white, and people who think like that should grow up. People were really fast to label Gus as The Satan Himself but, what a shocker, the reality is much more interesting and complicated than that. And, obviously, Sabrina herself isn't "pure evil". They both at the wrong, it's just different cases of the "wrong".

[@anniehershel815]

hers feels so much more malicious though

[@Yourmumsrectum]

They need to stop airing dirty laundry man it's simple. It's fcking pathetic from the pair of them to be honest.

[@thatonelegend817]

I feel like even if she does prove it if i was you i wouldnt feel as bad for the videos because you cant drag out one situation and say it is repetitive behavior and expect people to take it seriously.

[@bennettaukerman6802]

I don't know you, but I have a lot of respect for you for this upload alone. This is phenomenal. Thank the algorithm gods.

[@katiehass5980]

It's sad that even if this originally came from a genuine place or was meant to cause an educated discussion on serious issues, it's absolutely devolved into vindictiveness and hostility and harassment. People are far too eager to take a chance to attack someone than approaching something thoughtfully.

[@dijonjohn1011]

In her original video, she mentioned her boyfriend more than anything/anyone else... She knew that she was making a hit piece, and threw in some other stuff for additional views/revenue.

[@andrewbroussard3664]

@@dijonjohn1011 bro she was pregnant with his kid that whole problem was because of him and she felt pressured to do something she was already going to do you a Andrew Tate fan huh

[@andrewbroussard3664]

@@dijonjohn1011 in no way was her video a hit piece at all she wanted to educate people with her experience and that’s what it was

[@dijonjohn1011]

@@andrewbroussard3664 She felt pressured to do something she was already going to do... The horrors!

[@dijonjohn1011]

@@andrewbroussard3664 Her video was very much a hit piece.

[@pegarange]

Sabrina has always came off as judging, entitled, and radically close-minded in her comedy content, so it's not exactly surprising to learn just how manipulative and abusive she is, but it's shocking to see how easily Eddy sided with her against his close friend.

[@keybladesnobody8021]

It actually pains me to see how little views this video has I feel like most people would actually use they're head after watching this at the end of the day, It was a messy situation that in the end no one gained anything

[@newfoundbland]

Once again, you prove to be one of the most underrated youtubers.

[@Rachel-ky3lr]

wubby stan here. you did a great job detailing the drama that unfolded

[@leej-]

Ew

[@JerryDood98]

Your videos are very easy to watch and take information in. Keep doing your thing man!

[@JimmyRobins]

Thank you!

[@RNG-esus]

From the very begining, I always saw it asa bad breakup that should have never been a public specitcle. I went through a similar one, including the miscarrage stuff that damaged the relationship in unseen ways. It always annoyed the hell out of me that Gus was painted as a bad guy instead of just someone caught up in a shit situation where he made some poor choices that unless youve been there, you wont understand. Sabrina isnt in the wrong either. Why did we have to try to damage their careers over a breakup we had no buisness in?

[@ramsoomair]

Sabrina's intentions always seemed wrong. I've always thought of her as "the bad guy" here.

[@RNG-esus]

@@ramsoomair I don't think she's a bad person, just emotionally strained and has lashed out unfairly

[@D_YellowMadness]

​@@RNG-esusI'd agree if she didn't use lies & emotional manipulation to turn strangers on the internet into tools in her revenge scheme.

[@Regnet35]

Good and thorough commentary! Thanks for that. As for the criticism of Gus behavior in your conclusion, I feel that what she perceived as neglect/abuse could very well have been an inability of a young man to deal with a quite serious physical and mental condition. Keep in mind that she relied totally on Gus at that time while she most likely suffered from PTSD. And that he had to bear all of that not being much older than 20. Obviously we don't know what happened except the few examples Sabrina gave and how Gus mentioned that she would call him several times a week asking him to take her to the hospital, while doctors found nothing wrong. I think it's pretty understandable that it went the way it did back then. I have a much harder time finding excuses for the way Sabrina damaged Gus when the whole controversy started though.

[@gump5ter01]

Don’t know how I didn’t see this video at the time but this is the best overview of the events. The whole thing was “he won’t take me back so I’ll take his future”

[@jackalnerf6230]

Its wild that we live in a world where yelling during an argument can be implied abuse in the public eye. Were these people raised? Did they have parents? Who in the world hasn't raised their voice during an argument with a partner or friend?

[@dangerxbadger2300]

1:04:12 INCINERATED. I just caught up on all 3 of your videos on this situation. Well done, Jimmy, and thank you for being a creator committed to common sense and facts rather than clout and hive mind. It's rare to see folks that aren't explicitly on the, uhm, wrong side of things socially, who even pretend to have the measured reason that you do. Bravo. ❤

[@nicematerial]

This is an extremely nuanced take. I appreciate your embrace of a very morally grey situation. Pleasedontturnouttobeweird pleasedontturnouttobeweird Also: spinal injury gang! Gang gang! I appreciate someone who's been through it saying out loud that NO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE. Yeah. Good video.

[@thenord3285]

Love to see you back! Love the haircut, love the new setup, can't wait to watch this!

[@JimmyRobins]

Thank you!