The H-D Pan America Really Works OFFROAD! (Crash TESTED)

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Yammie Noob

Yammie Noob

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@yammienoob
@yammienoob 2 жыл бұрын
You saw the intro... You know what I'm about to say. SMASH THE SUBSCRIBE BUTTON
@rider6.0
@rider6.0 2 жыл бұрын
Turbo busa!🏁
@tanogg794
@tanogg794 2 жыл бұрын
no spoilers cmon Yam :ruined: :SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
@altortugas5979
@altortugas5979 2 жыл бұрын
The unsubbed nooblets are the bane of my KZbin experience.
@just_one_opinion
@just_one_opinion 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm...you said you don't care if people watch..what's with smashies?
@hunterman600cc
@hunterman600cc 2 жыл бұрын
"THIS THING IS RIDICULOUSLY FAST!" me- a HD? also me- hears turbo spool. OH... COME ON 10K MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!
@leozinhosozinho
@leozinhosozinho 2 жыл бұрын
No joke, my balls hve been blueing since i first hear they planned it for 1M, at what, 700k? I am so ready for it
@JackCobalt
@JackCobalt 2 жыл бұрын
3000 miles already and I'm still so damn glad I bought one. Expensive but worth it
@jaredslattery4584
@jaredslattery4584 2 жыл бұрын
I just hit 5000 on mine on Saturday. Love it. Wrecked hard on Saturday to. I haven't touched any of my other bikes since I bought it.
@kflorence7005
@kflorence7005 2 жыл бұрын
Im sure they already told you, but in sand you need to get your speed up, sit farther back, keep your arms loose and let the front tire find its way (Literally been on a dirtbike since i could walk)
@svendragon8139
@svendragon8139 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew that before my first excursion in wet, deep sand. I saw advice telling me to sit forward...I ate it a dozen times before my friend told me that's not how to do it in sand or slick conditions. Keeping that speed up while the front warbles took some balls after spilling that much haha
@HerTwoWheels
@HerTwoWheels 2 жыл бұрын
Woooooh that was ALMOST a drop at the brake practice haha! Those were my favorite drills!
@markvega284
@markvega284 2 жыл бұрын
Great Observation! Practice Practice Practice!
@KingFriday274
@KingFriday274 2 жыл бұрын
Full circle! You WILL own a pan am within 6 most. Spite goes back to harley.
@frankdorogi3253
@frankdorogi3253 2 жыл бұрын
I had the chance to test ride the PanAm in NH this summer. It's pretty awesome - no question. The bigger take-away for me is the importance of getting some good training on how to ride a big bike off-road. They're not 300 lb dirt bikes. Spike was fortunate to be trained by one of the best Co's in the business - Rawhyde. I took a 5-day training course with them earlier this year. Cracked a couple of ribs on day 2 in the sand pit (totally my fault) , but stuck it out. Got to know the medic really well (candyman). Back in the northeast this fall, I'm a way better rider on the trails with my big bike. There's a time and place for a trail bike and a different time and place for a big ADV bike. Kudos to Spite for sharing.
@fastrandy
@fastrandy 2 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed. I've always liked Harley's but when I was little, they had serios quality issues. I own 2 now and love them. Would love to ad one of these to the mix!
@rileyhughes5613
@rileyhughes5613 2 жыл бұрын
Never been a huge Harley guy (or ADV guy, my brother's Versys-X 300 is the only "adv" I've ridden lmao) but this bike looks fantastic. Truly impressed, especially considering how Spite doesn't have decades off-road seat time (no offense intended, it just speaks to how easily the bike can be wrangled). The weight appears, at face value, to be the only real issue; but the fact that the massive GSA1250 dominates the class kind of negates that argument, if that can comfortably negotiate trails I can't imagine this won't be able to. 10/10 gonna recommend to my brother as his upgrade bike lmao
@Shitnugget69
@Shitnugget69 2 жыл бұрын
Does the fact the GSA dominates the segment negate the weight argument... No, the versys x300 and even the lil 310gs are just as capable off-road as the GSA. Physics don't lie. A lighter average bike will always beat a heavier "more capable" bike off-road imo
@richardfarabaugh7604
@richardfarabaugh7604 2 жыл бұрын
For a second at the beginning of the video I thought he was referring to the Pan America being ridiculously fast until I heard that in-line four sound of the Turbo Charged BUSA!!!! Can’t wait for one million.
@dukiemoto8676
@dukiemoto8676 2 жыл бұрын
Good job and fun taking us along👍 always enjoy your videos dude!
@djkak5320
@djkak5320 2 жыл бұрын
Had the Zakar experience last May with the same crew; an awesome group of committed coaches. I’ve got 3,300 on my PA and find myself riding it more than my Glide.
@AllboroLCD
@AllboroLCD 2 жыл бұрын
Making sure the reviewers understand how the product works first. Super smart, well done HD well done.
@altortugas5979
@altortugas5979 2 жыл бұрын
The TLDR seems to be “Spite has never taken an advanced rider course.” Isn’t that contrary to everything you guys have said in noob rider vids? Facts, you guys need to give more love to DDFM.
@tonym4401
@tonym4401 2 жыл бұрын
I like this channel but if you want a serious evaluation of a bike’s pros and cons...you need experienced high level riders. Good on Spite for putting this out there. It’s not his comfort zone. I don’t care what anyone says, these big bikes are not for the inexperienced. I hope that’s the takeaway for the noob audience. Now listen....about that TURBO BUSA 🤯
@B.O.S.H_music
@B.O.S.H_music 2 жыл бұрын
insert joke about HD riders here *
@Masse24796
@Masse24796 2 жыл бұрын
This looks fun, and I'm happy that HD did something new, also the event itself is a nice idea. Not a fan of the looks of this bike, but I'm excided to see what Harley has to offer in the future.
@hvymax
@hvymax 2 жыл бұрын
It does more than look good on a trailer.
@milaventurasprod
@milaventurasprod 2 жыл бұрын
Get your first hour view tickets here
@boocegaming8018
@boocegaming8018 2 жыл бұрын
Barely managed to get my ticked only 8 min left 😂
@alexwardlow2412
@alexwardlow2412 2 жыл бұрын
Huh?
@nathanwagner7937
@nathanwagner7937 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jamesallenmainieri
@jamesallenmainieri 2 жыл бұрын
1 min remains
@rider6.0
@rider6.0 2 жыл бұрын
I been poopin all day and i just ran out of paper...
@BMWHP2
@BMWHP2 2 жыл бұрын
learn slow, go fast. Great bike, would love to test one for a day. Big bikes CAN go off road. The difference is, when the going gets tough, the lighter bikes become the faster bikes and are more easy to handle. I learned on the smaller bikes and worked my way up over 35 years untill i owned a BMW HP2. The toughest and fastest offroad bike on the planet for years. 1200cc and only 185kg wet (407 lbs) and that was build in 2005 !!!. The Pan American did the same as BMW did with the GS bikes after the HP2. They made the GS more heavy and with that, more road oriented (which is ok, coarse there is more asphalt ). Everything over 440 lbs is more of a fight in the rough offroad parts.
@davidc1961utube
@davidc1961utube 2 жыл бұрын
I have done two events with the Rawhyde team, and there is nothing like a great teacher, no matter what bike you are riding.
@svendragon8139
@svendragon8139 2 жыл бұрын
Still rather have a dual sport
@jserenity
@jserenity 2 жыл бұрын
Hayabusa on knobbies and off road..?
@SupposedlyFunThing
@SupposedlyFunThing 2 жыл бұрын
Love the audio previews for the long awaited turbo-busa video.
@lloydhembury925
@lloydhembury925 2 жыл бұрын
Hey noobs! Just wanna let you know that after watching your video for over a year I finally went out and bought a bike! Then stacked it 2 days later. I now have to replace the pillion seat, left rider foot peg, gear selector, left indicator, left mirror and most fairings on the left side. I've also gotten a broken foot and road rash down my left side. Still hasn't put me off thought! Soon as my moon boot is off and I've repaired the damages I'll be right back on the road again! Thanks for all your videos they've helped a lot!
@N0t4v41l4ble
@N0t4v41l4ble 2 жыл бұрын
Shadetree, Doodle and Lali spotted.
@toofastnobrakes
@toofastnobrakes 2 жыл бұрын
I’m still waiting Harley. Bring back the Bronx….
@superhelicase
@superhelicase 2 жыл бұрын
"unconscious incompetence" lol
@ganuvien
@ganuvien 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind seeing a "Sport Touring" version of the PanAm with proper street tires, I'm really anxious to see what else HD puts this motor in.
@phantomrider5166
@phantomrider5166 2 жыл бұрын
If I'm not mistaken they've put it in the Sportster s
@jnycee845
@jnycee845 2 жыл бұрын
Respect for Harley 💯💯💯💯💯
@richardmiller4499
@richardmiller4499 2 жыл бұрын
Went to the other facility and learned the same stuff on a BMW. Maybe revisit the Moab trip with these newfound skills.
@ev304
@ev304 2 жыл бұрын
bike looks great and im sure it will sell great aswell i prefer the all black model
@travislittle9889
@travislittle9889 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see more!
@johncamara1650
@johncamara1650 2 жыл бұрын
I had a '79 Goldwing at one point...weighed about the same as the Pan America. Have you seen Goldwing Motocross by Dos Honduros You Tube channel? Hysterical seeing guys getting rad on a barge.. Fun to watch but I wouldn't want to die on that hill.
@hvymax
@hvymax 2 жыл бұрын
Low center of gravity would be perfect.
@johncamara1650
@johncamara1650 2 жыл бұрын
@@hvymax Sounds like a Polish last name. Are you Polish?
@hvymax
@hvymax 2 жыл бұрын
Grandparents came over from Hungary. Slovak I believe.
@DarkHorseParatrooper
@DarkHorseParatrooper 2 жыл бұрын
What am I missing here, is this a joke video? 😕 Why are the slalom cones so far apart, you can definitely turn the bike in and out quicker than that... Edit: okay, I think I get it. You don't know how to ride offroad, and you're calling it heavy at 5 hundred pounds, so you aren't used to riding anything but sport bikes.
@daviddaniels6107
@daviddaniels6107 2 жыл бұрын
I now have new found respect for Spite. Where was the Sweet Potato?
@jordanc2211
@jordanc2211 2 жыл бұрын
u should watch million dollar bogans test based apon his review this is a terrible motorcycle and im inclined to believe him based on everything he does for harley......
@ashleylecompte4358
@ashleylecompte4358 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe Harley does have something that sparked a idea. I'm getting into motorcycles. Mtc is on my to do list.
@grey5135
@grey5135 2 жыл бұрын
All of us Millennials are about to go through our ADV metamorphosis and I think Harley has done a good thing here.... now hopefully they drop that same engine into a naked bike and keep making good decisions moving forward
@fmz-4618
@fmz-4618 2 жыл бұрын
Only 10k away from the turbo busa , lesgo
@cjjorge6636
@cjjorge6636 2 жыл бұрын
i wish i could see a HD 50/75hp 250/ 300 pounds on the same frame need a street / dirt bike now that this is out and a good price point for us younger guys i would be SOLD !!!!
@browngreen933
@browngreen933 2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@LARGO125
@LARGO125 2 жыл бұрын
For the real story, watch Big Rock Moto's review. He doesn't just read the script HD gave everyone.
@zappbanannigan
@zappbanannigan 2 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who finds irony in rear abs being the savior on the road and front abs the savior for off road? 🤔
@JA-zh5xi
@JA-zh5xi 2 жыл бұрын
The Pan American is the best ADV bike out there!
@scottmartin5093
@scottmartin5093 2 жыл бұрын
Not even close.
@svendragon8139
@svendragon8139 2 жыл бұрын
I'd take a KTM over it for sure
@scottmartin5093
@scottmartin5093 2 жыл бұрын
@@svendragon8139 I would take a crf250l!
@lassea
@lassea 2 жыл бұрын
You should take turboBUSA offriad.
@hvymax
@hvymax 2 жыл бұрын
Try doing an Endo! I'm too old for that crap.
@theboat9311
@theboat9311 2 жыл бұрын
Cmon we need that 10k more subs until the turbo busa is revealed everyone needs to hit the button
@Thecrooms
@Thecrooms 2 жыл бұрын
10k till turbo busa!!!!!!!!!!! Let’s go!!!!!!!!!!
@marcready6369
@marcready6369 2 жыл бұрын
That said, it is probably perfect for touring in the US due to decent roads, long distances, etc. The HD Road King I rode in the US made a lot of sense when I was there....but not fir jumping that gutter two up...or off-road deep sand at speed...
@karlcain1068
@karlcain1068 2 жыл бұрын
That little spill in sand mangled this $20k “Adventure” bike? This is a sham…😶
@Ebbeebbeee
@Ebbeebbeee 2 жыл бұрын
I think their sales and reviews from others speak for themselves
@karlcain1068
@karlcain1068 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ebbeebbeee because people don’t buy crap everyday… 🙄
@Ebbeebbeee
@Ebbeebbeee 2 жыл бұрын
@@karlcain1068 not 20,000 worth of it especially not on a bike, you don't out sell bmw if your bike is trash
@karlcain1068
@karlcain1068 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ebbeebbeee ooorrr.. just any of the other dozens of options on 2 wheels…
@Ebbeebbeee
@Ebbeebbeee 2 жыл бұрын
@@karlcain1068 how many of them are out selling bmw in a market they made and dominated for that last what 30 years. I think the people buying them and testing them are plenty happy, I've seen people dump any adventure bike and scrape it up, if that's a reason a bike is a bad bike your opinions are based on some really quite stupid factors, nobody buys a dirt bike over another because the plastic scratches less
@neblolthecarnerd
@neblolthecarnerd 2 жыл бұрын
As a non American (UK) I do quite like this bike and how it looks. I reckon they could do quite well with adv dad's over here tbh. They'd probably eat up the patriotism.
@rogermeyer3941
@rogermeyer3941 2 жыл бұрын
Well done by H-D. Now if they can refine it. I’d never buy a first year bike.
@MrPruske
@MrPruske 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully they make it better and not just find ways to cut costs
@cjjorge6636
@cjjorge6636 2 жыл бұрын
it's way to fat for me i like bikes 250 pounds 75 hp would be the best next best
@boamedt
@boamedt 2 жыл бұрын
990k almost busa time!!!!
@TheToastedChannel
@TheToastedChannel 3 ай бұрын
I really don’t get the point of taking a very heavy powerful motorcycle off-road. Most of this video shows terrain where you could drive a minivan.
@andresacebal427
@andresacebal427 2 жыл бұрын
Will this be the last video before the million? Before the Legend? Before the Turbo Busa?!
@defector1643
@defector1643 2 жыл бұрын
two weeks and no yamcast? :(
@awpgaming7505
@awpgaming7505 2 жыл бұрын
the white front cowl is a horrible color for that bike and its so ugly i cant stop staring at that vs looking at the rest of the bike, my eyes are stuck to it saying why..... BUT its just that color combo needs to be typical harley matt or semi gloss black.. neat bike and i like seeing harley adventure out.. ahh see what i did there?? just waiting to see them do a supersport. Spike no need to apologize for messing up, were human and we all make mistakes. Plus you are enhancing your skills! Cant wait till i get my license next year and my first bike, oh and keep your head up! IM PUMP AND ready to knock off more off the bucket list something ive wanted to do since i was fucking 18! 560-570 lbs doesnt seem that bad for what that is, cuz isnt a sportster like 560-580ish?
@killerdeviant
@killerdeviant 2 жыл бұрын
You look like you’re on a huge Honda ruckus
@JevoKitano
@JevoKitano 2 жыл бұрын
Hey dude, when you fall off your bike: DON'T hold your hand like that - you will break your hand, wrist or elbow and dislocate your shoulder if you do. Even on sand. Watch some videos about how to fall off bikes. Stay safe! :)
@Seektruth-59
@Seektruth-59 2 жыл бұрын
Actually wrong, even on a street bike at slow speed in a McDonalds parking lot you should be counter leaning your turns to maintain a good centre of gravity. Try it. Now at high speeds both bikes on pavement you lean inside. Off pavement you counter balance.
@DarkSuperRunChao
@DarkSuperRunChao 2 жыл бұрын
You can hear the turbo whistle in that intro *giggles
@MeerkatADV
@MeerkatADV 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry but that bike absolutely blows in the dirt. It's a decent street bike.
@ludovicodemolina
@ludovicodemolina 2 жыл бұрын
Yam I love your use of classical music. I'm not all about it, but the bangers are bangers and I love to hear them when I can. You're one of my favorite content creators.
@theclown2004
@theclown2004 2 жыл бұрын
so you drop ADV bike into the sand whole front end gets screwed but its a good offroad bike.... okay dude...
@Neighbor51
@Neighbor51 2 жыл бұрын
You know they are watching and back there product if they pay you to ride their bike. Great video fellas keep it up. Turbo busa
@nathanbanks7091
@nathanbanks7091 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see HD finally building some modern engines and motorcycles that can actually handle semi decently.
@georgekark3137
@georgekark3137 2 жыл бұрын
its only 10.000 subs. Come on guy. i wanna see the TURBO BUUUUSAAAAAAAAAA
@chriscole126
@chriscole126 2 жыл бұрын
meh, still not on the Pan Am fad yet. Harley had been protected by the govrenment to long. Fads wont save them.
@rushtk2112
@rushtk2112 2 жыл бұрын
Where are videos of the Pan going balls to the wall riding?
@HairyMTB
@HairyMTB 2 жыл бұрын
just 10K more subs and we are a'busa'ing into space!!!!!
@LordOfGreatness
@LordOfGreatness 2 жыл бұрын
It is probably a really fun bike. But that front is just so damn ugly.
@leftlanelanny4707
@leftlanelanny4707 2 жыл бұрын
Man I sat on a PA at my local HD dealer and its BONKERS good from a sit. Ergonomics are excellent. Everything is where you expect it... But we all know that KTM 1290 Super Adventure R or S is twice the bike for $3000 less.
@BMWHP2
@BMWHP2 2 жыл бұрын
Agree, as was the BMW HP2 Enduro in 2005 with 407lbs wet. Anything more heavy is a bother offroad. Can be done, but less fun and harder to work.
@leftlanelanny4707
@leftlanelanny4707 2 жыл бұрын
Im hoping to scoop a KTM 1290 SAS this spring. Just looks like a great, do anything anytime anywhere bike.
@ramsapien
@ramsapien 2 жыл бұрын
Spite waddles his bike at slow speeds...this was painful to watch.
@rosssmith5795
@rosssmith5795 2 жыл бұрын
Mojave, great Viedo Spike! It is pronounced Mohavee
@kuikukui5077
@kuikukui5077 2 жыл бұрын
It will be really funny if the 20k bike is not capable of something
@corychartier7961
@corychartier7961 2 жыл бұрын
Other videos show lots of low speed stalling I wonder what the difference is?
@TheTTLegend
@TheTTLegend 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always been unconscious of my incompetence.😉
@KevinSmith-gh5ze
@KevinSmith-gh5ze 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, and I'm glad Harley Davidson is finally trying to branch out, but fuck the Mojave desert. I hate that place with a burning passion!
@earthlyng_official4599
@earthlyng_official4599 2 жыл бұрын
lol the intro monologue made me feel liek this was a news cast or some shit haha
@oneanddonetzone3673
@oneanddonetzone3673 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Harley fix your quality control problems
@THEREALZENFORCE
@THEREALZENFORCE 2 жыл бұрын
Respect to Spite for learning more ADV skills and having fun in the desert. For an OFFROAD review by an Offroad expert rider : Brake Magazine channel video see : Does the Harley Davidson Pan Am really compare? - vs BMW 1250 GS vs KTM 1290 Super ADV - Full Review Have fun watching.
@maikal87
@maikal87 2 жыл бұрын
I heard the side stand mounted on some part of the engine. is it true?
@jackbro1188
@jackbro1188 Жыл бұрын
5:10 is he helping you, or telling you to meet him later
@elliottnelson1156
@elliottnelson1156 2 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who thinks this bike is really ugly?
@KatharinaEwers
@KatharinaEwers 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Doodle was in that course too 😄 what are the odds
@805guitars2
@805guitars2 2 жыл бұрын
Spite: "What's counter steering?"
@drumsnspace
@drumsnspace 2 жыл бұрын
I did an Adv Rally event near Anza Borrego that was partially sponsored by HD to promote this bike. I'll say this much, it's a nice departure from what HD has been doing. Also, the events were scored and the teams that were the most effective (read: highest scores) rode these big 800+ cc adventure bikes. My teammate and I with our sub 300cc dual sports had a tough time even being competitive. Would definitely like to put some miles on a bike like this to see the other end of the off-road spectrum.
@richardfarabaugh7604
@richardfarabaugh7604 2 жыл бұрын
Damn that is a big chunky front end on the bike.
@SiopaoSauc3
@SiopaoSauc3 2 жыл бұрын
Spite: 2 - ADV bike windscreens: 0
@stevetaylor9265
@stevetaylor9265 2 жыл бұрын
It's not because they are hard to turn, it's because they get stuck and you can't get out by yourself. Let's put it in the clay and see what happens
@hyperx72
@hyperx72 2 жыл бұрын
I want a smaller displacement version
@ovidiubigd7468
@ovidiubigd7468 2 жыл бұрын
The ugliest motorcycle I ever saw
@izzy8609
@izzy8609 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first HD I actually want
@hvymax
@hvymax 2 жыл бұрын
Drifting is the one crossover skill
@es-br8ck
@es-br8ck 2 жыл бұрын
10,000 need to click that button
@theunfortunatespectacle7381
@theunfortunatespectacle7381 2 жыл бұрын
This episode is replete with "That's what she said" moments
@IamR3D88
@IamR3D88 2 жыл бұрын
I read your comment right as Spite said "exaggerate that motion"
@ElectronNinja
@ElectronNinja 2 жыл бұрын
Just rollin on your hawg.... right down that ADV life path eh Spite? :P *Yammie was right. See you on the TAT next year :)*
@patrikkupresanin7293
@patrikkupresanin7293 2 жыл бұрын
Whats that classic intro music?
@martinellen1981
@martinellen1981 2 жыл бұрын
10k to go come on buysa lets go
@chas106g.6
@chas106g.6 2 жыл бұрын
Brave souls drop a $20,000 bike on the ground.
@rambelin4113
@rambelin4113 2 жыл бұрын
this, big pill to swallow when a GS is what, 18k? or another 3k for a nice one
@remylevine4478
@remylevine4478 2 жыл бұрын
LOL unless you guys put in a tag for where to put the ad, YT is evil. It flips to add JUST as you go first person view on the way down in the sand.
@marcready6369
@marcready6369 2 жыл бұрын
I am sure it is a lovely motorcycle, and while I am no pro, it is not an off-road anything. That perfectly graded, dry, bulldust-free dirt road is probably fine...as long it doesn't get any more gnarly and you are not carrying gear for more than an overnighter or have to carry fuel & water. Honestly, it is a touring bike with SOME dirt road capability. It is too big, too heavy, has too much power (did I really say that), & would be a very expensive liability beyond any more than the pristine dirt roads in this video. Sorry people, but don't let the HD marketing BS you. Once you load this sucker up, it will not be suitable for anything less than a perfect dirt road or poorly maintained asphalt. When you drop this, it could easily put you in hospital as it is too big and heavy.
@stevejones3180
@stevejones3180 Жыл бұрын
watch the two girl on a bike videos that she did on the pan am in Wales, she'll prove you wrong mate
@marcready6369
@marcready6369 Жыл бұрын
@@stevejones3180 that is Wales - you are not doing long distance, high speed, dangerous often near invisible potholes full of bulldust (looks solid from a distance but is basically just dust hiding a hole). Capable though it is and I am sure HD did a great job, I will say it again, it is too damn big and thus dangerous if you are travelling any distance even if you are a pro rider or near that standard - the increased mass means increased force when it inevitably goes down (as you are off-road). A bike that size is designed for long distances and I would argue in the UK, if it is offroad, nothing more than an 600cc is needed unless you are spending most of your time on the pavement or very civilised dirt roads.
@carver7689
@carver7689 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you getting into ADV bikes, Spite. They're a lot of fun and they actually fit taller riders.
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