The Hall of Fame Career of Guy Carbonneau

I had thought I made a video on him in 2019. I had thought wrong, so it is time to make up for it.
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[@doaftheloaf]

there were 3 players drafted in 1979 who played in the 2000s. bourque, messier, and carbonneau.

[@carparthero]

i know these legacy videos don't do big viewing numbers. but as a 50-year old it's nice to reminisce about the great players of the past. it's also important for young people today to be aware of the great stars of the past, that helped make the game what it is and/or contributed to the legacy of the teams they played for. really appreciated carbo's body of work in 1993 in shutting down (after game 1, onwards) wayne greztky in the stanley cup final. was also a fine 3rd-line checking center that helped DAL win their 1st (and only to date) stanley cup in 1999.

[@Lazzar1958]

Yes, I can relate at 65!! lol

[@ryansabre]

Thanks for the reminder 😢 hasek could only do so much in 99

[@matthewdaley746]

The Stars were the better team, but, everybody in Buffalo still ignores that, pathetic.

[@matthewdaley746]

​​​@@Lazzar1958Glad you relate, unquestionably.

[@carparthero]

​@ryansabre blame BUF for scoring an average of 1.5 GPG in the 1999 stanley cup final. it was a miracle the series lasted 6 games 🤷‍♂️

[@chrisbelos2834]

Carbo is a beloved habs former captain and coach. my favorite carbo moment is when he gave the cup first to Denis Savard in 93 because he never won it. he instaured the "older player who never won gets to raise it first" rule that saw many beloved players not captain to be able to raise it first like Ray Bourque with the Avs

[@carparthero]

very nice. and a great memory you've shared with the comment section about carbonneau.

[@jasmin9738]

The grumpy old men line was one of my favorites in Dallas

[@Roma1251]

Guy was so much fun to watch. Great player and class act! One of the great Habs

[@ThirdEye3pic]

I live in a small little French community in Manitoba and was able to shake this legends hand at an alumni game when they visited! A class act through and through!

[@ToyMakerprops]

Can never have enough guy's in Montreal 😅

[@XaviRonaldo0]

It's amazing that a forward who played almost the entirety of the 80s scored barely a point per 2 games is in the HOF. Must've been a hell of a defensive player.

[@renlessard]

First watched him play for the Habs farm team in Nova Scotia. In Game 5 of the Cup final Gretzky had Carbs draped all over him and didn't have a shot in that game at all while facing elimination. Roy got all the credit but the Habs played a phenomenal series

[@bobsmith962]

Did Hab and Oilers ever play in a cup final? Wasn't to Calgary and Hab in 86 and 89. Oh I see LA Habs. My bad.

Damned straight, mate! Those delusional Leafs fans who, to this day, believe that they would have "won the cup", if not for the non-call on Gretzky. Montreal would have SMOKED them.

[@matthewdaley746]

Roy dominated Playoff enemies.

[@matthewdaley746]

​​​@@bobsmith962Two forgotten Playoff Series.

[@matthewdaley746]

Yeah, that same team lost to an even worse team the following season, in, Five Games, they weren't good enough, really nothing more to say, seriously.

[@markhodge7]

Yes, Carbo was the last Hab to win the Selke.

[@jamesgrant8289]

Carbo did something you didn't mention. Blocked shots . He was fearless on a penalty kill . Throwing his body in front of everything. With his clear visor barely covering his nose. Loved that Guy! Happy you mentioned the Guy chants in the Forum too, it wasn't synchronized so the name just bounced around the building from every direction at once.

[@seanpoulton2446]

I remember a period when I went back and watched archived footage of hockey games before my time. I always go back to 1993 with Carbonneau. While everyone rightfully remembers Patrick Roy’s heroics during that incredible Stanley Cup run, I remember watching footage of Carb shutting down the Great one himself during the Finals. When I read up on how he requested to shadow Gretzky after the game 1 loss, that made me love him even more. The fact that he had to wait to get into the hall of fame was just ridiculous. I guess 3 Selke’s, 3 cups, and managing to successfully mitigate arguably the greatest player of all time in the Stanley Cup finals wasn’t enough to get first ballot. Regardless, he is one of my favorite players and I’m glad you got around to covering him. Also I’m wondering if you will ever cover either Andy McDonald or Samuel Pahlsson. Both careers I feel are interesting to talk about.

[@matthewdaley746]

Toronto was far too busy whining about the officials to prepare for, Game Seven, they wouldn't have beaten the Canadiens, anyway, period.

[@user-ph4sy1bu4s]

Guy Carbonneau is one of the great player of the Montreal Canadiens and also he is one of my favorite player. He got great style in hockey. I remember in 1993 Stanley Cup Final, he is the one that STOP and Checking Wayne Gretzky in the final. That why Montreal Won the Stanley Cup. Great memory.

[@danielrobertson7821]

Having Guy here in 99 for our Cup win was an amazing spectacle to behold as a kid. Wish I would’ve seen more of his earlier years.

[@Lazzar1958]

Another very talented & famous Guy with the Canadiens!!

[@jasonsadowski1070]

While I am certainly a novice compared to most Hockey Fans one attribute I do think is important to mention about Guy Carbonneau that wasn't was his ability to win face offs. I am almost certain he is in the top 40 all time in Face-off win %. That attribute in the "dead puck" and pro-defensive era was integral in late game, OT & playoff situations. However while as I said he finished his career in the top 40 all time in face-off win % that doesnt do justice explaining how great he was in the last 7-10 years of his career at winning face-offs. He was among the very elite late in his career to the point teams would try to do anything to avoid him taking face offs or get more favorable match ups. It is not like teams don't scheme in every situation to get more favorable match ups however to be so skilled that teams are micro managing face offs scenarios speaks tremendously about how skilled of a veteran he was.

[@patricksclarke]

Pretty sure he had a huge impact on Patrice Bergeron. Very similar but more offensive upside to Patrice. Loved watching both players.

[@onnadarts23]

A true playoff warrior.

[@chrisault4575]

I'm pretty sure it was Carbonneau...one game in the Montreal zone, against the side boards, he ended up with the puck between his skates. There really wasn't much from the other team trying to dig out the puck so he just started shuffling along the board towards the blue line with the puck between his skates with all the players just kind of watching. He didn't quite make the blue line before the ref blew the whistle and gave him a delay of game penalty. One of the funniest things I've ever seen in a game. :)

[@vincentgiasson7551]

It’s funny because Carbo was known in the pros to be a defensive player but in the junior with les Saguenéens de Chicoutimi, he was a scoring machine with great stats (171 goals and 264 assists in 273 games for 1.6 points for game)

The Bob Gainey/Guy Carbonneau connection in Dallas, is sorely over-looked.

[@ChairmanOProductions]

Girl I was with in middle school and high school was from Montreal and was a HUGE Charbonneau fan. Glad to see you do a video on him.

[@dawnsempire8510]

i don't really have an active memory of watching Carbonneau play, but he was one of the first i read about when i really got into hockey in the late '00s. have nothing but respect for his career and his game, in much the same way i liked Kris Draper as a Detroit fan.

[@meme_ajin]

Love the legacy videos. Thanks Shannon

[@Kinesicz]

One of my favourite forwards growing up a habs fan in the 80s.

[@muneebahmad190]

What a sweater, Shannon! Love it.

[@lankancheetah]

Two ex Montreal captains worked to win the cup for Dallas (Carbonneau and Mike Keane). Wow.

[@jefffyock2617]

Just watched a podcast (Suds with Luds) with Guy and talked about those years with Bob. I remember spring training in Breckenridge 1999 a black bear cased us down the street.

[@billyp.bertrand7990]

Fun fact: in his (and mine) hometown, there are 2 arenas side by side, and the smallest, least well equipped of the two is named after Carbonneau, which I always found very funny, you'd think they'd name the big one after the hometown cup champion, HoFer, and captain of the Canadiens.

[@ColorSpryte]

Love these career videos. As a fan who only got seriously into hockey in the last decade, it’s nice to learn about those who came before.

[@coreywilliams6390]

Somehow i forgot about his Dallas years! Thanks for the great video.

[@Aza13]

Boom another HOF video! Keep them coming!

[@varunmuruganandarajah7785]

Great video as always Shannon can you please do Marty McSorley next! Such an interesting player with a lot of insight that people don't know about!

[@MrMorrowman]

Stars great Guy Carbonneau. His son in law was a bad azz as well,Stars great Brenden Morrow

[@carparthero]

DAL actually had 4 ex-montreal guys on the 1999 stanley cup winning team. really enjoyed seeing DAL as the 1st deep southern team, finally get over the past heartbreaks from EDM, DET and COL in winning the stanley cup.

[@gogolplex74]

​@@carpartheroCarbonneau, Keane, Skrudland and Ludwig?

[@bartsanders1553]

I did not know this!

[@carparthero]

​@gogolplex74 excellent. and bob gainey was gm.

[@TheScotian82]

​@@gogolplex74 @carparthero What about Shane Corson?

[@lankancheetah]

Montreal's mismanagement of assets in the mid 90s is a case study in stupidity

[@user-ph4sy1bu4s]

Also I forgot to mention, he is class act, great attitude and a good sportsmanship.

[@Peksisarvinen]

I've got a lot of time for guys like this. Underappreciated players who were just out there helping their team win. Doing all the work that goes largely unnoticed by the general public, and letting other guys have most of the fame. Nugent-Hopkins type in the sense that they rarely get the headlines, over the superstar teammates, but true fans know just exactly how insanely valuable they are. Also love videos about guys whose hockey cards I remember having as a kid, but whose careers are still somewhat of a question mark.

[@Mark-xl1ze]

The GREAT Guy Carbonneau

[@habinations]

i felt a disturbance in the force gohabsgo

[@AndyI222]

One of my all-time favorite Habs!

[@UncleAnaesthesia]

If I remember correctly, Carbo played that Dallas-NJ final with a broken foot and a torn groin muscle.

[@iivarikoutonen9027]

Absolute legend also as hockey card charter ❤

[@wilseph1]

Your favourite 2-way center's favourite 2-way center.

[@coincidencecontrol]

17 goals 2 goals 4 assists for 6 points

[@charlottereed7603]

I remember a brief period of my childhood where stubbornly I went around "correcting" ppl's pronounciation as I thought it should be "Ch" like the root word "Charbon" 😅😂. I was eventually convinced of my folly

[@Ian00003]

Never heard of him until this video but I can’t imagine being an defensive forward in the 80s

[@yoholmes273]

I am have a serious Mandela Effect. I could have sworn you already did a career video on Guy. YEEESH. Well , great vid, my man. Guy was such a lunch pail glue guy. A winner and a tremendous Canadian 🍁 🍻

[@KevinJL]

Loved Guy on the Stars

[@xmarine73]

Guy Carbonneau and Benoit Hogue were always my favorite veterans on the Stars in the late 90s.

[@maxlacloche4329]

My hometown pride

[@michaellanza6327]

Nice player

[@lil_bear]

I forgot he even played for the Blues just like Gretzky

Guy, was the "Jaromir Jagr from Mario Lemuiex" of Les Canadiens from Bob Gainey.

[@TylerMorganShow]

Montreal royalty

[@maluorno]

he got to party with pantera. nice

[@greengears4607]

5:59 the truth

[@lankancheetah]

I've wondered why he never got a second chance to coach again

[@ThrawnTheater]

Believe Brenden Morrow dated his daughter while they were teammates/linemates in Dallas

[@Mark-xl1ze]

True

[@QueensNewYorkguy]

I gave this vid a like before It even began! lol Carbonneau is a legend! Loved when he helped the Stars win their 1st in 1999 and was a little sad to see my Devils keep him from a second with the Stars the year after! The Dallas Stars never get mentioned when people talk about Dynasties! But this team dominated the Western Conference from 1998 to 2000 and made it to 2 Cup finals in a row and winning 1! That’s a mini dynasty in my book! Side note 📝: so jealous of my cousin Roger in Montreal for meeting Carbonneau couple years ago, talked to him and got his autograph ✍️ cause I’m a billion times more of a hockey head(fan) than he is lol

[@matthewdaley746]

Ar least, the Avs, stopped the Devils from repeating, Scott Stevens was truly a total disgrace, (even for him), losing was the only just outcome, period.

[@carparthero]

i really appreciate to this day, the DAL 1999 stanley cup team. they were the 1st deep southern team to win the stanley cup. up here in southern ontario it was really weird geographically for myself and a lot of folks at that time. to your point, DAL had some really good teams back in the late 1990s-early 2000s. it was a great way to learn about the texas hockey market and people.

[@matthewdaley746]

​​​@@carpartheroOnly Minnesotans are bitter.

[@carparthero]

@@matthewdaley746 minnesotans were probably more pissed off with the pylon owner norm green. even bettman admitted years later it was a mistake to have let MIN lose the nhl north stars. i got no hate or feelings towards MIN. great hockey state for college and high school. other than that, glad they were able to get the wild. although their last relevant season was making the 2012 wcf.

[@QueensNewYorkguy]

@@matthewdaley746 explain to me just how the greatest captain in hockey ever and greatest defensive defenseman ever and greatest open ice hitter ever and most feared man ever was a disgrace? And disgrace to what? Disgrace to you?

[@MySundin13]

Leaf fan so...hated the Habs, but i respected the Hell out of Guy. What a 2 way player

[@parjf]

You know a players's worth when fans of a rival team hate them - Nordiques fans absolutely hated Carbonneau and I'm pretty sure Peter Statsny wasn't very fond of him either.

[@jamesnunn5452]

Like the story why he retired, when the young players started asking to date his daughters.

[@tendresseak27]

Carbo was my favourite player growing up. Always thought it was dumb for Montreal to trade him but we all know how bad management was gonna get for the team. Having said all that, don't believe he should be in the hall of fame. Happy he got there though.

[@christhornycroft3686]

What amazes me is that in the 80s, Guy Charbonneau was being recognized as a Selke candidate (if not winner) basically every year, but if we had someone like him today, they wouldn't get close to a Selke. Ryan Kesler had to score 40 goals to get anywhere near a Selke. Even during the Dead Puck Era and to this day, unless you're at least a 70 point player, good luck getting any Selke consideration. It's basically a consolation prize for some who is good defensively but not quite good enough offensively to win any of the other awards. In the 80s, when scoring was everything, they actually gave the award to the Best Defensive Forward. How much or little they contributed offensively was fundamentally irrelevant. I wish we'd go back to that. We need the Selke to go to a Guy Charbonneau type of player who excels at shutting other teams down and whether he puts up points or not isn't important.

[@matthewdaley746]

Forget it, that's the same reason why a player like Adam Foote never won, the, Norris Trophy, he was basically like Rod Langway, who rarely scored, at all, but, won because of the era.

[@gogolplex74]

​@@matthewdaley746Same for Craig Ludwig who was great at blocking shots

[@matthewdaley746]

​​​@@gogolplex74Reunited, Champions, bizarre, unquestionably.

[@doaftheloaf]

true. marner of all people got nominated last year. it should be guys like, say, danault, eriksson ek, guys like that.

[@matthewdaley746]

​​​@@doaftheloafNo winning fairness, unquestionably.

[@bartsanders1553]

At this point, every career video is met with a "He hasn't done ________?"

[@IceNinja2007]

The best two-way forward not named Yzerman, Federov, Datsyuk or Zetterberg.

[@LSA30]

Found the Wings fan! Seriously, though, the Selke pedigree in Detroit is ridiculous.

[@IceNinja2007]

I won't lie, I will be absolutely biased in this discussion.

[@dominicpardo4783]

Bergeron?

[@bartsanders1553]

​@@dominicpardo4783Nah, it's gotta be a red jersey. Thatxs the rule.😛

[@dominicpardo4783]

@@bartsanders1553 Bergeron won more Selkes than all those guys combined. Lol...

[@gogolplex74]

If Carbonneau is a hall of famer, is Jere Lehtinen one as well?

[@doaftheloaf]

interesting name for a defensive forward. anyway, carbo’s career was longer and he won more. not saying lehtinen shouldn’t be discussed, but carbo’s case is stronger.

[@dominicpardo4783]

He's in the HOF, and Steve Larmer isn't?

[@doaftheloaf]

he was one of the greatest defensive forwards ever. larmer was a good player, but never elite at any part of his game. my go-to for someone who doesn't deserve to be in is kevin lowe. a second pairing dman and a passenger for gretzky and messier. his numbers were more or less identical to charlie huddy, and no one's clamoring to put him in. as for the snub, i'd go with alex mogilny.

[@dominicpardo4783]

@@doaftheloaf Larmer was a Calder Trophy winner, nearly a point per game player, 7 time 40+ goal scorer, and a Cup winner, and had numbers very comparable to Mogilny.

[@matthewdaley746]

​​​​​@@doaftheloafI'd nominate Grant Fuhr, the Oilers won two, Cups, without him, two in, spite, of him, and, lost four more because of him, the voters, apparently, ignored the entire second half of his career, plus, the fact that he won exactly one, Vezina Trophy, and, exactly zero, Conn Smythe Trophies, his only legitimate, Cup, was in 1988, simple as that.

[@doaftheloaf]

@@matthewdaley746 he’s a sketchy one too.

[@doaftheloaf]

@@dominicpardo4783 he’s a bubble guy, then. mogilny was an elite goal scorer for a while. larmer’s career was more consistent but less high-end. it wouldn’t offend me to put him in. he goes in ahead of guys like gillies and glenn anderson for me.

[@aahZeiK]

I still can’t believe he got in the HOF, just the Hall of very Good now ….

[@steveautio4997]

He was a good player but not a Hall of Fame player. I’m not a hater but there has to be a certain bar and he just never rose to that level.

[@seanpoulton2446]

@@matthewdaley746 not to mention successfully minimized Gretzky’s impact in the 1993 final

[@doaftheloaf]

what would you say in bob gainey's or rod langway's case then? they too are in for their defensive prowess.

[@mike04574]

worst hof?

[@dereksoutar9320]

Career videos are the best! Hope for a few in the off season. Dave scatchard, brent sopel, mattias ohlund etc.