The Harbour Air eBeaver Electric Seaplane | Everything Electric Canada 2024

[@shazam6274]

Nice to watch interviews with people who are competent, know what their talking about, can answer details and are concise. Good job Erika and Shawn!

[@NihonKaikan]

English much?

[@shazam6274]

@@NihonKaikan OK, ya got me! Should be: "are competent and know what their talking about, and provide details in a concise manner." Better yet: "are competent, detailed and concise" I knew what I meant and was in a hurry, so no proof reading it. Domo arigato, for catching this. Konbanwa.

[@fullthrottle7985]

Omg really !!?? She doesn’t have a F#%*ing clue !!!!

[@shazam6274]

@@fullthrottle7985 Examples?

[@HarbourAirSeaplanes]

Thank you for stopping by for a visit!

[@MunroLive]

Thanks for having us!

[@jeff119990]

I've been following this since it was announced and it is great to see all the progress. Its gonna be amazing once it is certified and in regular use. And this will only push battery tech forward for longer flights.

[@JoeCool-l7h]

I live nearby and look forward to booking a flight as soon as it is flying!

[@_electricvehicle]

As a Vancouverite, so cool to see this on Munro Live!

[@foreststewart1968]

So impressive to see what the company is doing to navigate the technology & the regulatory process. This peek into their efforts made my day!

[@feandil666]

Respect to the lady for delivering her full spiel very efficiently while not being annoying. Exciting actually.

[@38whitcomb]

As a retired pilot it's nice the see someone that can speak with a good command and knowledge of the subject

[@nicholasmurrell7904]

'Nice Beaver!' 'Thanks! I had it stuffed with batteries last year!'

[@davelariviere682]

Wow, this next generation power package is going to be quite the build. VERY EXCITING.

[@MichaelCuthbertson-zl6in]

A GREAT presentation! Thanky'all!👍🏾

[@lesbendo6363]

Amazing technology! Thanks for sharing Sandy! 🇨🇦

[@carholic-sz3qv]

how exactly is it an amazing technology? its just like evs

[@lesbendo6363]

@@carholic-sz3qv one difference, if it stop working it falls to the ground.

[@1voluntaryist]

For extra safety, a "free wing" (control wing) design would have been better.

[@Dusty0116]

@@carholic-sz3qv Well for one thing, if a EV car's battery fails in use, it just rolls to a stop. In a EV aircraft they don't have that luxury. The reliability requirement's for EV Aircraft certification are a lot higher and more stringent. In the case with Harbour Air they are building a EV Aircraft motor system into an old airframe. Basically abuilding a new motor and battery system to meet the specs of that aircraft. They don't have the luxury of off the shelf motors or battery systems. Each one is unique and the costs are much higher.

[@brainworthy]

Erika Holtz is very knowledgeable and it was interesting to hear her explain the details of going electric. Watching the float planes in Coal Harbour in Vancouver take off and land is fascinating to observe. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Well done.

[@krakken-]

So cool to see options like this and the Regent Air Seaplane electrifying flight.

[@TonyGrayCanada]

Everybody assumes electric aviation means fancy carbon fiber airframes. I love that these guys are making it work with tough as nails old bush planes.

[@Gerhardium]

@@BillericaBunnies You must be a Joe Rogan fan being such a contrarian without anything to add to a discussion you simply aren't equipped to take part in.

[@MashDaddy]

Thumbs down the Troll 👿

[@MsSomeonenew]

Well it's all about how much you want to carry, if the base plane is lighter then you get to carry more weight per flight, or in turn have more batteries for greater range. An all carbon Beaver could very possibly get to double load capacity.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

of course they dont do long distance flights, composite materials have made modern aircrafts significantly way more efficient

[@carholic-sz3qv]

they might almost double their range if they uses more modern and lighter composites.

[@ShahryarSaigol]

The problem with electrifying an old plane especially a utility plane like the Beaver is that the plane is heavily built to withstand the vibration and weight of a radial piston engine plus the airframe is overbuilt with a very high service factor to make it more rugged. If an electric plane is designed from the ground up, it will be much lighter and more streamlined, needing much less power to fly and therefore have a longer flight time. Since the wings are not carrying fuel they can be thinner and lighter too.

[@gregripp]

Pilot could loose some weight too!

[@mikegilkey]

It will be so great to see where this goes in the future. Hope Sandy and fly in one

[@andreasnewitsch59]

Nice to see sandy here in Canada!

[@abelincoln3261]

As many may know, The Philippians has about 2,000 inhabited islands The Philippines is an archipelago consisting of approximately 7,641 islands. These islands are grouped into three major regions: Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao Interestingly, only about 2,000 of these islands are inhabited... they run a lot of small commuter planes there everyday... imagine the savings in fuel pollution and noise...

[@fredhinck9685]

How is their power produced ???? Hydro or coal. Remote pollution

[@LeftCoastStephen]

The Salish Sea, where Harbour Air is based is much the same. I’ll miss the sound the old radials made!

[@brianb-p6586]

The DHC-2 Beaver was produced from 1947 through 1967. C-FJOS is Beaver serial number 1030 as Shawn said and the Canadian aircraft registry confirms; it was built in 1956... 68 years ago and midway through the production run.

[@brianb-p6586]

Regarding the comment about Joby's props at 8:34... all practical propellers have tip velocities below the speed of sound. Tips need to be well below the speed of sound to avoid excessive transonic effects. And no, Sandy, an original Beaver prop was not made of cast iron, even if it had cast iron hub components (which is unlikely). As you know, it had wooden blades.

[@-LightningRod-]

YES !!! i am so Excited to see this,...

[@mpoulter54]

I think this is valuable from a research standpoint. They are sure depending on a lot of technology improvements by 2027. May make sense in some limited markets. For widespread use, still a lot of work to do to make this economical and practical.

[@eur2030]

I really would like to see even a small demonstration and hear the motor running, but still fascinating , battery planes.

[@sandmehlig]

It is a bit far away and thus not optimal. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZjPmqyZj6yHopI

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@sandmehlig Also they played music over the takeoff run to avoid tripping ContentID from background music.

[@johnarnold893]

All you have to do is look, there are numerous videos of it.

[@eur2030]

@@johnarnold893 I have looked at some, but they are usually from a distance and don't show how the plane feels and sounds inside ( or close to the plane ).

[@deepgroove1000]

So cool.. glad Munro come to Vancouver for a visit.

[@michaelpaczynski941]

I’ve been following this for years. Hats off to Harbour Air to pursue this dream. I’m left with some questions… How many cycles per year? If operated 10 flights per day at 20 minutes each day with 30 minutes to charge…2000 charge cycles/10 flights per day = 200 days. Looks like the battery gets replaced approximately every 10-18 months depending on usage and remaining tested charge capacity. If so, this explains the need for updates to the supplemental type certificate(STC) as battery technology evolves. Further explains why there isn’t a huge cost saving over combustion fuels, but should be a big saving over sustainable aviation furls. Good thing they are quieter and shift their energy source to hydro. This will be fascinating to see how it pans out. Excellent program.

[@mrkzed709]

Love Sandy talking to such an expert. Great technical details. They are discovering why we love electric cars! Better performance all around (as long as within range):)

[@carholic-sz3qv]

nope they arent! a giant chevy suburban diesel has up to 800 miles of range on standard fuel tanks, litteraly doubling the range is super easy with a replacement bigger fuel tank

[@douglasatkinson2476]

Nice to Vancouver as your back drop. I really enjoy your talk talks Sandy.

[@titussteenhuisen8864]

Thank you the world needs this development

[@glike2]

I worked on R-985 and R-1340 one summer in the late 80's. But happy to see progress needed for the climate, and safety.

[@leftcoastcorrie]

Great Video, great interview! Well done! Harbour Air is one of my favourite local companies. Best....Corrie

[@JoelSapp]

"It was so nice seeing your Beaver"

[@Jojo-o6o6w]

[@stickynorth]

That joke gets old here because it's so common a phrase here... Just you wait till you here about our big Regina!

[@KevinT3141]

​@@stickynorthThe city that rhymes with fun.

[@larrybremer4930]

The Beaver being a bush plane is almost as funny as Viagra being made by Upjohn.

[@JoelSapp]

@@larrybremer4930 hahaha!!

[@TomokosEnterprize]

One of a kind. I have always known and flown a Beaver and can atest to its strength and manoverability. They will be around for a very LONG time yet.

[@MikeKisil]

No end in sight for beaver impressive men and woman and their flying machines what can be done .

[@CajunGreenMan]

2:50 TBO. Time between overhauls.

[@marcusmcqueen7996]

A Twin Otter with electric engines would be fantastic. I could definitely see a fleet of Electric twin otters doing work in the Caribbean. Perfect for island hopping

[@jamesdillon3320]

Great stuff Sandy!! All the best to the amazing "TOMATOE PICKER"!! Greetings from the sandy shores of Lake Huron!! Ontario, Canada!! GIDDYUP!!

[@flwi]

Soo cool! All the best with the certifications! I've seen those yellow planes live from an AirBnB we stayed in when we had our road trip through Canada. Such a beautiful place.

[@tonymazelon3400]

Sandy is checking out the beaver

[@IndaloMan]

0:56 Erica smiled when he said the 'B word'....

[@Mrbfgray]

@@IndaloMan She doesn't get as much beaver attention as she craves.

[@ralphrietveld]

Ooh nice beaver.

[@jinpingthebear110]

I doubt this braver is that great.

[@williamscoggin1509]

Don't tell his wife! 🫣

[@Dusty0116]

Welcome to Vancouver, Canada Sandy. Nice to see you up here!

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🙋‍♂️THANKS SANDY,ERIKA ,SHAWN AND MUNRO ,FOR THE UPDATE 😎🔋🔋🔋

[@warrengee-f9l]

Old school Beaver fan .....love what you are doing

[@alexcook4851]

Very excited about this new plane!

[@leoyoung7547]

I remember studying mediation at the school beside Balwf's monstrosity. Sometimes, when the wind was just right, they would warm up and take off from right outside the school. The fumes were the stuff of nightmares. So toxic. I am so happy that they are going electric - the first company in the world to start the process. So, I am quite proud of them.

[@tonyguarino3594]

Wow so cool, game changer for short haul flights

[@stickynorth]

The future of aviation right there, if only for a few niche applications to start... The Vancouver to Victoria run for example...

[@comment8767]

The future if they can find a breakthrough technology. There is not guarantee that things get better over time. Have coal powerplants gotten better? Gasoline engines? Nuclear reators? Sure, at little bit. But not 100% better ... more like 20%. The laws of physics still apply, even to EVs.

[@rhwing5095]

@@comment8767 The sane take.

[@MichaelHBallard]

Interesting. Great to hear how much more efficient things are coming down the battery tech pipeline.

[@SteveRiddel-iz3cy]

Flight from Vancouver to Bowen island are great!!!

[@tizio5103]

This is very exciting. Perfect application for the short-hop flights in the PNW. I can't wait until we get a lighter battery chemistry that will allow us to slash the battery weight and get truly amazing range out of these things.

[@tizio5103]

@@BillericaBunnies No magic required. We may be many years out, but I am certain we will continue to discover new battery chemistries that have > 1kwh/kg Materials don't have to be heavy to hold a lot of electrons. It's not wishful thinking, it's materials science.

[@markadler8968]

Unless you increase the price of flights several times over and increase the size of your fleet multiple times these will never work. The extended model has 1/10 the range of a gas powered version and has to spend endless hours charging to achieve the same distance.

[@tizio5103]

​@@markadler8968 80mi range is enough for their longest scheduled route out of Seattle. If you require enough juice for a round trip, you can fly from Orcas to any of the island ports and back.

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

Power density of batteries is still light years away from what plain old gas has. This will be shackled to short routes. Won't fly in places like Alaska.

[@michaelbartell1166]

❤ wonderful thanks😊

[@markrusk2870]

Need a video of it running/flying

[@tazeat]

Been following this project for a while now, fascinating to see what's going on just a few hours north of me.

[@bobgraham303]

Great video. It won't be long before solid state will be pushing well north of 500wh/kg with smaller form factor, safer cells, lighter weight etc. Perfect for a business like this.

[@jimmykelly2809]

Sandy asking a lady about her beaver is peak internet

[@lewispaine4589]

It'll be even better when solid state batteries come into use.

[@aaronpops4108]

All that money for an 82km range. crazy.

[@ryuuguu01]

I have used Harbour Air, and I hope I can ride on one in a few years.

[@mike5695]

Really wanted to hear it running next to an internal combustion engine one to compare the difference.

[@nathanbanks2354]

Neat. Was wondering when I'll be able to take an electric flight to Nanaimo.

[@Coyotehello]

Terrible decision from Harbour Air to discontinue the route between Vancouver-Salt Spring-Maple Bay. Destroying the communities that have supported Harbour Air for over 30 years is, to stay polite, disappointing. With a 14 day notice. I hope they will reverse that decision. That being said I am hoping to be trying this electric plane as soon as possible!

[@dmacpher]

Oh that’s too bad, loved the maple bay route

[@Coyotehello]

@@dmacpher Please consider writing to Harbour Air asking the route not be cancelled. There are entire communities who will suffer from that decision: Hotel, restaurant, marinas, families with relative in Salt Spring and Vancouver. Thank you.

[@kisssys5414]

It needs a sound system inside that plays R985 sounds, the best sound of any engine and would give total confidence to the passengers.

[@TekNullOG]

Crazy coincidence. Took my first Harbour Air flight today. So cool to see how they’re investing in battery electric motors.

[@allancrow134]

I've been following the development of this plane since it was announced. I wish I had the $$ to buy some stock. Eventually, this is going to be huge. Harbour Air is blazing the trail.

[@McCanicScot420]

Canada, leading the world in aviation.

[@jasonneugebauer5310]

I think it is pretty good that they were able to get the electric airplane to a cost competitive cost of use. The elelectric aircraft development field is starting to produce usable airplanes which is a huge step forward. I'm not sure if there will be many use cases for electric air transportation beyond short hops of two hours or less. Unless you start talking lighter than air, which will probably do well with electric propulsion.

[@felixaudet5860]

This will become more practical as battery tech evolves.

[@duncanjames914]

I love this! It's the ideal aircraft for electrification given its STOL capabilities and intended usage. This is the future.

[@ButterfatFarms]

@@duncanjames914 no it's not the ideal airplane for an EV is one that's designed from the get-go to be an ev. Retrofitting something like this is always going to be a half-ass solution that's less than ideal for many reasons.

[@markadler8968]

130 km range is basically nothing and that is on the extended model in ideal conditions. Not to mention this plane will spend far more time charging than in the air. This is nothing but a gimmick with a fancy paint job.

[@BruceBusby]

​@@markadler8968Exactly!

[@AlbertZonneveld]

@@markadler8968 There are many short haul targets you could cover with short haul ePlanes. Think of coastal islands that often have regular or even irregular services. Installing a battery and solar panel on those islands could makes charging to extend the range easy. Not sure a seaplanes is the best option as it does not seem to be a very energy efficient plane

[@harriettanthony7352]

For this writer alone; this is sheer amazing. He flew these A/C in the Viet-Nam War and now sees them enter the electric aviation era! Such is progress!

[@andrewashmore8000]

1 hour flying. On full electric that's cool.

[@markadler8968]

Hardly, it is a complete joke. A gas powered version can fly 10 times the distance without refueling and doesn't have to spent literally days charging to go that distance.

[@andrewashmore8000]

@@markadler8968 frankly I thought it would be less than one hour. But 1 hour is useful for alot of small regional flights, so not too bad.

[@markadler8968]

@@andrewashmore8000 But you did not acknowledge the huge amount of time wasted charging. These planes will spend far more time charging than in the air which makes the beyond impractical and nothing more than a novelty

[@andrewashmore8000]

@@markadler8968 yeah , well that's where good design comes in , you know it's possible to swap batteries in seconds in need a super quick turn around. But in the video , the operators talk about charging in 30 mins , and that's about the same time as a turnaround time also.

[@markadler8968]

@@andrewashmore8000 Sure they going to swap batteries on a floating airplane that weigh several hundred if not over a thousand pounds on a dock on the ocean.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣You are hilarious.

[@vvvci]

FANTASTIC! To see the first "real life" EV aircraft be a DeHavilland eBEAVER mod! I've long thought that the Beaver is one of the very top aircraft candidates for a new, carbon-fiber generation _(I believe someone has made something similar in a 4-6 place, also STOL, even more capable, but expensive turbine powered ac)_ - but to see this super versatile, super reliable aircraft be one of the first to be fitted with a production EV battery powered electric motor is great. IF these do work out, go in to production, and prove reliable... then you can bet the AEROSPACE community will jump in, THEN there will be EVEN MORE DRIVERS for those developing the next gen of lightweight, high power, super reliable EV batteries.

[@brianb-p6586]

Pipistrel has had multiple battery-electric models, including one which has been certified since 2020 and in use by flying schools. Harbour Air's goal is the first battery-electric aircraft in commercial passenger operation - they may make that.

[@blackdice42]

Very cool

[@charlesmarsh9608]

Good luck

[@axelzilm778]

Wow 82 kms that is amazing AF better just stay near water

[@hybridstoatdragon]

Im impressed

[@dansbrown1313]

Hello Sandy, nice to see you.

[@marcschouten3527]

Canadian beavers are the best beavers!

[@brianb-p6586]

Takeoff is at 100% of _rated_ power, but the magni500 Electric Propulsion System (engine) is substantially derated for this application, to match the original 450 horsepower (331 kW) P&W engine in the DHC-2 Beaver. The magni650 will be used at an even lower fraction of its capability. So electric cruise requires 41% of 331 kW which is 138 kW (185 HP), compared to the gas original of 52% of 331 kW which is 175 kW (234 HP). Earlier in the flight test program, they were assuming 150 kW at cruise.

[@Barskor1]

I wish Sandy could mass produce his airplane with updated tech and materials it would rock!

[@randallmauger5659]

Cool!

[@williamscoggin1509]

TOO COOL 😎

[@urbanstrencan]

Great to see aircraft EV resto mods 😂😂❤❤

[@DouglasJMark]

Awesome video! Thank you very much. Oh dear, not another FAA story?😭😭😭

[@haileyr.s8107]

In reality it flys for 30 minutes with 15 minutes of backup power. What a piece of garage

[@davidelvin1380]

Brain of a dinosaur 🦕

[@rhwing5095]

@@davidelvin1380 To be honest, the plane really is a glorified piece of garbage (for now), which is why it's going to be employed sparingly for some short scheduled hops, carrying half the passengers and load, over 10% of the distance of a normal beaver, manufactured 75 years ago. It will take many years before the new paradigm gains any real traction, and it may not get beyond short island-hop type of environments (which would probably already be seen as a staggering success for electric flight). When it comes to electric technology replacing dino fuel, the name of the game is energy density.

[@trentdabs5245]

@@rhwing5095 Wow a intelligent person Nice to know they still exist

[@armandbourque2468]

If every electric vehicle now in use died right now, the world economy would crash. They are EVERYWHERE, and a necessary com0onent to most industry. And in some environments, they're the ONLY safe choice. For air travel, just like ice powered air travel, we're still in the infancy of the sector. Nobody would fly a ww1 plane as a passenger vehicle these days, even if you would be allowed to. Or use a model t as a daily driver, or any kind of work vehicle.@@rhwing5095

[@DrKnowNothing1]

Maybe with battery pack swaps it could be a great trainer? Or maybe it’s allowed to land on lakes that ban gas-powered vehicles? At least it’s nice and quiet…

[@daviddenley3512]

Great Stuff...electric flights at last,

[@brianb-p6586]

This is the first time I have heard an explanation of the battery packing of the first proptype and of the planned final design from Harbour Air. The total volume of battery packs in the nose, belly, and rear cargo area will be less than that of the battery in the first prototype.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

I am watching all of this just for the opening outtake. 😆

[@brianb-p6586]

This (at 2:06) is the first time I've heard a battery-electric aircraft builder clearly define the battery energy density assumed by their hoped-for performance specifications. Note that while MagniX has promised 300 Wh/kg (at the whole battery level, not module or cell level) they have not yet delivered this, so even Harbour Air's second conversion (now being built) will not achieve the stated payload and range.

[@rossr6616]

great Solar Impulse connection!

[@lifeaccordingtobri]

You can't beat a good beaver. It's nice to see a beaver upgrade available now. Soon you'll be able to have a fresh beaver.

[@Jojo-o6o6w]

yawn

[@comment8767]

I'm thinking about upgrading to blonde.

[@jairokg]

Cut!!! Lunch time

[@Vagabond1209]

Electric MOTOR! Engines have pistons

[@meofnz2320]

Not all engines have pistons!😂 I think you’re right about the difference though: motors convert energy directly to mechanical force, whereas engines convert fuel to energy to mechanical motion. But it’s hard to find an authoritative definition these days and they overlap in some cases.

[@hughwaller6789]

​Tranpprt Canada and mos t likely the FAA insist on "Engine"​@meofnz2320

[@toddfleury7324]

Do motorcycles have pistons? Motorboats?

[@Vagabond1209]

@@toddfleury7324 meofnz2320 is correct. Think of Wankel engines. The engineering perspective is that engines convert exploding or expanding gasses to pressure (energy) to move a mechanical device. Either way, thanks Sandy and the Harbour Air team for this experiment in electric motor propulsion. We will never get to the end goal without taking these steps

[@ParkourBrian]

FORD ENGINE COMPANY doesn’t even understand this!! 😡 makes me so angry I could shit myself. Terrible people and damned straight to hell, the lot of them! 100% agree with you, vagabond

[@CyberTankMan]

👍

[@bill6255]

Cool plane, I'd put the batteries in the pontoons. Then they can be easily changed/jettisoned in an emergency.

[@brianb-p6586]

That's why you're not an aeronautical engineer.

[@trentdabs5245]

Lithium and sea water don't mix 😂 This is just a Toy / demonstration

[@dalel3608]

MagniX is also working with NASA on their multi-engine eTransport; so hopefully they'll be able to certify a few different motors and battery packs to choose from for aviation.

[@jimkitt2128]

It sounds like they still have some proprietary technology going on with the motor and battery, but did they share with you whether or not there's a gearbox on that motor? They could easily increase the mechanical advantage by as much as 14% if they did, and your mention of a 5-blade with a similar disk area should certainly help with performance as well. The added prop blade may be an efficiency tradeoff with the gear reduction, but that could be a worthwhile trade. I see there are a few more videos of this same plane, so I'll check them for any mention of a gear reducer. I'm pretty sure Archer went to a gearbox on their eVTOL a while ago and in the end, the right prop tech with a gearbox will probably be what the endgame looks like for STOL too. The math certainly suggests it.

[@brianb-p6586]

The motor (or engine) is the well-known MagniX design. Like most aviation electric motors, it is direct-drive for reliability. The motor is designed to suit the desired propeller speed.

[@garbizwal]

Motor. Motor. Motor.... MOTOR! :) She should know this.

[@hughwaller6789]

She does. TC and FAA don't!

[@dmacpher]

@@hughwaller6789yup!

[@PabloGonzalez-hv3td]

She's not wrong.

[@brianb-p6586]

She knows what terms are correct... but apparently you don't.

[@davydatwood3158]

Well, if their timeline holds I'll have to try and book a flight next time I visit family in Victoria.

[@nononsenseBennett]

So glad Sandy got to see this plane. I predict BIG THINGS in electrification of airplanes. Hopefully he'll do an update as this project progresses.

[@davefroman4700]

With how far battery recycling has come today? I can foresee a time in the very near future where the cost of purchasing the new battery will be weighed against the material value of the old battery you are trading in. Think of it like a core charge on your alternator or water pump today, only much more valuable. Its already cheaper to recycle and reclaim materials in batteries today, than it is to mine, ship and refine new materials.

[@swecreations]

With time cycle life will continue increasing so operating cost will go down.

[@prestontucker1687]

Hopefully Twin Otter is next!!!

[@deltaskyhawk]

Just enough range to get from Vancouver to Vancouver Island one time! lol Could have done a turboprop configuration.

[@cascade5682]

I'd like to see a Taxi-Takeoff tug that positions the eBeaver for takeoff through V1 where it then drops away and returns itself to the FBO's charger. The eBeaver will have increased flight time as a result.

[@rbfarrell1]

We all love the Beaver. lol

[@NaughtyGoatFarm]

Tell us about your beaver....