The HARDEST Characters to Defend

[@olamasama9243]

What are some other characters that are hard to defend? Comment down below.

[@THEKINGCINOS]

Johan Liebert from Monster

[@Or_is_it_spelled_Charlie]

Valentine from steel ball run is a horrible person. Who's crimes include murder, hiring assassins, attempting to prevent a cripple from walking again, manipulating people into stealing a corpse for him, and some we aren't even allowed to talk about on this website. But the worst part is the Valentine did nothing wrong mfs are the most obnoxious and delusional defenders.

[@joannabegin3635]

BUT IT WAS ME DIO

[@mcbdllc2848]

Nagato

[@Or_is_it_spelled_Charlie]

@@mcbdllc2848 broo you just reminded me of the Itachi glazers. It's wild people will be out here trying to defend a guy who has committed genocide, beats the shit outta literal children regularly, is a literal terrorist, and then they Itachi defenders will be like "he was doing it for the village tho" and then don't elaborate.

[@Aso7989]

“As the strongest curse Jogoat, fought the fraud, the king of curses. He began to open his domain, Sukuna shrunk back in fear than Jogo said…Stand proud Sukuna, You are strong…”

[@olamasama9243]

Extremely cultured. We all know Jogo could have violated Sukuna with infinite volcano

[@Aso7989]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@olamasama9243Fr, I’m predicting Jogoat is coming back in chapter 250

[@Aesop-rs7qr]

And this men is the most sane gojo fan after his death

[@truceism]

@@Aesop-rs7qr?? theres a difference between jogo and gojo

[@Aesop-rs7qr]

@@truceism my brother in christ the correlation is that gojo died and gojo stans went insane and started posting dumb shit

[@kage1573]

I would also like to add Dabi to that list because some people say that his actions are justified and put all the blame on Endeavor but even though Endeavor was in the wrong for how he treated his family, Dabi still made the choice to become a psychotic killer that took the lives of innocent people because he felt like it.

[@star-rock6466]

didn't even try to speak to his family before doing so either-

[@jaeliel]

TLDR: I understand why people defend Dabi. He's justified but wrong. Read it all if you feel like getting my in depth answer on why people defend Dabi or why I say that he is justified, yet wrong. This is a weird one for me because his actions were justified but wrong. When a lot of people see Dabi they see his emotions towards his dad, as they are front and center, but it def goes beyond that. He was inspired by Stain's will because it resonated, it wasn't just his father's actions that he was mad at. He was mad at the hero commission for covering it up because "it would be a bad image if it came out". Hell, heroes used to use their status as heroes to hide their crimes, which was why the commission used Nagant as a personal assassin and before Nagant the Commission colluded and paid villains to specifically kill heroes that were deemed problematic without fair trial. Hawks himself even stabbed Twice in the back when he was weak, wounded and running away (which, as a tangent, created so many more problems than it solved.) I can't emphasize this enough but I'll try: You cannot have true justice in a Utilitarian System that draws black and white lines between heroes and villains and places the greater good above the people. Endeavor's abuse and Dabi's actions are plot devices that fits into this further narrative. That was the point of the liberation war arc. It was to draw a distinct line between how the hero commission and society treats those that fit into its lines and those that do not. Right and wrong are subjective, but good and evil are not. That is how the hero commission sees things. In the very first episode we actually see that when Kamui Woods openly calls a purse snatcher the "incarnation of evil" and brands him as a villain. Dabi wanting to change or upend the HPSC and "dethrone" endeavor for his abuse and their other actions is justifiable. Murdering 30 innocent people is wrong, even if it was the only way he could ignite change. Part of why people defend him ties into this. He knows he's wrong for doing it, comments on it, and even cries bloody tears about it - but its the only way he can bring about change and get the revenge he craves.

[@kage1573]

@@jaeliel I agree with the majority of your points especially about how the hero commission handles things and I would say Dabi is a villain where I can understand his motivations but I still wouldn't say they are justified because we also see how the majority of his plan is focused on his hatred for his father which has become an unhealthy obsession that even led him to kill innocent despite not exploring other possibilities like Stain did which caused a similar shake in the hero world without sacrificing the lives of innocent civilians even though he still killed pro heroes. Hawks didn't really do anything wrong because we see how he was trying to reason with Twice and giving him a chance to turn his life around but he refused and chose to respond in violence and Twice was a completely dangerous individual that could destroy not just the city but a large portion of Japan if he wanted to which led him to have no choice but to kill him which saved more possible casualties. Dabi is an understandable villain but he was someone that had options when trying to change society but he chooses to become a villain and kill people of his own choice without considering other options or taking into account that he is performing tactics that are no better than the corrupted parts of hero society.

[@jaeliel]

@kage1573 I just want to clarify a few things. Dabi did know that what he was doing was wrong, but he also looked at other options. A distinction between Dabi and Stain that people often forget is that Dabi knew a good portion of what the hero commission has done. Sure, Dabi could have went on to become a reporter or something along those lines but he'd just have been killed for that, marked as insane, or been branded a villain anyway and tossed in Tartarus like Lady Nagant. All she asked was "Should we try to be more transparent?" and the president at the time threatened to kill her too for asking that question. Her specific assignment was to kill two people that were inciting other people to rebel. And even then, despite her killing the man who said he'd kill her, the narrative that they went with was that she lost her cool and killed another hero that she was arguing with. About Twice. I also want to point out that he was killed because of his potential to do something, which is fundamentally wrong. He was killed because he could potentially make Gigantomachia clones or Shigaraki clones. He could potentially turn the war in the villains favor. Emphasis on "war" there, because that is how their society has been operating for decades. Heroes operate more like soldiers that listen blindly to the hero commission and make decisions based on the betterment on them and the society they want. Regardless of how you see Twice or Hawks, what was done to him was fucked up and quite literally emboldened the villains. Imagine if the police executed someone running away, right outside, because they knew how to make a bomb. Not because they made it, not because they planned to, but because they had the potential to just by knowing it. There were many ways for Hawks to incapacitate Twice but he decided that the fastest way to remove the variable was by killing him.

[@kage1573]

@@jaeliel I see your point but Stain was someone that actively tried to talk to people but was ignored and later became a vigilante then villain despite him later becoming a celebrity in a way that was affecting the minds of people and the hero commission kept him alive but Dabi could have took that information and made a difference in the mindset of heroes while becoming a hero or vigilante if he still wanted to protect people due to the majority of heroes and vigilantes doing there own thing and having there own ideals outside of the hero commissions orders in the series but I could be wrong because I haven't finished My Hero Academia Vigilante yet. We also see how the hero commission was going to be destroyed regardless due to the Liberation Front strength with Redestro and Shigaraki. Twice already showed that he was fully capable of destroying a city in Deika city where he created thousands of clones of himself to fight even though the residence were dangerous in their own right and we also see how he was committed to the leagues mission which would have involved killing millions to see their goals accomplished; I would use an analogy like a person built a bomb to kill an apartment full of gang members and the cop later corners him due to getting information that he will build another bomb to kill more people despite the officer pleading to not do it but remains resolute on it which honestly leaves the officer no choice but to.kill him; I think that there should always be an alternative to killing but there wasn't much for Hawks to do due to the position he was in and the danger that Twice posed not just to the heroes but Japan as a whole.

[@jsansamatic6933]

Griffith is complete indefensible, Eren and Geto both are guided by some sort of ideology, which they can at least use to justify they actions. TF DOES GRIFFITH HAD? WHAT IDEOLOGY JUSTIFIES WHAT HE DID TO CASCA?

[@feliche2292]

What did he do to Casca?

[@davishimada1555]

@@feliche2292read the manga

[@wrantheim6777]

@@feliche2292 He did the thing where a man should ALWAYS need a womans consent for, without her consent.

[@feliche2292]

@@wrantheim6777 oh

[@Capt_Sunny]

He ain't do nothin wrong tho

[@drunkeldian3150]

Eren even blatantly admits that he didn't just do the Rumbling for his friends and that he would've done it even if he didn't know they'd stop him, because the outside world disappointed him and he wanted to see the sight of it all flattened.

[@elpopman2055]

In reality he did it because the World wanted to wipe out his people

[@fromthesouthofafrica6815]

Based😂

[@randompotato7932]

He wouldn’t have done it unprovoked tho, he still needed the little threat from the outside world to justify it in his head, and the threat was not little they literally controlled the way he lived for his whole life using the threat of titans, and also left paradis undeveloped and unknowing of the advancements of the outside world.

[@vampyretime177]

Eren was a child who adults took advantage of because of his powers to turn into a titan. He carried too much burden of the world at a very young age. His thinking and logic got twisted because of the adults around him. The same goes for Geto-no one thought of them or how all this would affect them mentally.

[@LibrarianSankore]

Eren literally blames himself for everything everytime he had a break down, hannes death, the two confrontations with rod reiss but now people that have been watching this series for 10 years forget that and think he just wanted to destroy the world for lols. If essentially the whole world didn't either want or were fine with paradis getting wiped out, the rumbling never would have happened.

[@Tensa_Zangetsu1222]

"Griffith did nothing wron-" 300 mph spinning kick right to the jaw* 🗿🗿

[@xSonamy]

I’m not defending Griffith but he is still my favorite character/antagonist in the anime/manga

[@sisirbasnet367]

@@xSonamy you need to go see a psychiatrist

[@minupakumarasinghe3446]

​@@sisirbasnet367A good/well-written character doesn't have to be a good person.

[@sisirbasnet367]

@@minupakumarasinghe3446 Bro got depressed and fu(ked the queen without the consent because his friend guts leave him that also by assuring he will come again one day by achieving something And you called that good writing ?

[@lilityler1340]

@@sisirbasnet367You’re oversimplifying it. As much as I love to shit/hate on Griffith, he is well-written and nuanced character especially in the Golden arc. His character stagnant once he became femto (I can understand why), though.

[@Jogothekingofcurses]

I remember the most braindead take ever saying Guts caused what Griffith did like what 💀

[@rexscaler]

Bro YOUR PFP IS RADIATING BLACK AIR FORCE ENERGY IDK WHY

[@Jogothekingofcurses]

@@nn_austin like guts just didn’t want to be part of there lil gang no more and people say that’s why Griffith murdered everyone and raped his best friends girlfriend

[@olamasama9243]

W profile picture

[@mcbdllc2848]

Guts never needed to prove he was griffith's equal because he was the better man and knew that he loved that man and his inner child his "humanity" needed him. And you gotta remember griffith never turned his back on guts in any bad situation they had in 4 years then he one day just leaves man was crushed and he hated that this 1 man could do that to him hence he tried to choke him until he saw guts cry for the first time.

[@mcbdllc2848]

​@olamasama9243 you also for got to mention griffith forced himself on the princess and all the people he sacrificed go to hell automatically and anyone who follows him.

[@bignoob2726]

If I was a sorcerer, I'd definitely be hanging with Geto. Not trying to get that "witch trail" experience

[@ExpertContrarian]

What does witch trail mean?

[@bignoob2726]

@@ExpertContrarian being suspected or accused of possessing supernatural abilities. Leading to the public believing that u r associated with the devil or a devil. As such, u r mistreated, abused, and publicly executed. Usually by beheading or being burnt alive or beheaded then burnt. Inhumane torture is also a possibility.

[@eVill420]

I mean ngl I'd do the same if I was persecuted like that

[@DragoEpyon]

So, you'd start a genocide in response? Interesting.

[@wheresprototype3507]

With Geto, I don't defend his actions nor believe they're justifiable, it's understandable why he did it. You can completely understand why he did it. But never agree with what he did. Also my feelings on Erens break down are a separate and a longer subject.

[@olamasama9243]

I agree, I can see why he did what he did. There was reasoning behind it

[@swapnilarya-ky6cj]

​@@olamasama9243sarcastic?😂 btw I loved geto

[@wrenbyrd1093]

They just all figured out that humanity is a failure and wanted to eradicate it. Humanity is a failure if it doesn’t change BIG TIME.

[@suzygirl1843]

@@olamasama9243 This is a psychological litmus test. Many nerds will excuse bad behavior from genocidal maniacs but a Feminist - hell no

[@wheresprototype3507]

@suzygirl1843 You talking about Eren? Because I actually like his breakdown, the dudes human, he has a breaking point and can only be pushed so far, and he doesn't want people to forget him, he doesn't want people to move on from him. He's selfish. He's human. And I don't understand why people hate him for being human. Seriously, people act like they wouldn't break down after what Eren went through and then he's about to lose the only people he loves and who love him. Like seriously, he's 19! And he's going to die in 4 years! I completely understand his breakdown. I would break and snap as well.

[@howdy-573]

In my opinion, you can understand where their motives are coming from, but you can't defend them. Even though I like those characters (specially Eren) it's only because I see where they are coming from and I followed them from years now, so... attachment. But I would definitely take actions against them

[@olamasama9243]

Definitely agree with you

[@Randomguy-nr6qr]

Against eren. What choice did he even have besides that. he would be the bad guy either way.

[@zacharymarentette5269]

But I'd also say with eren you have no ground to stand on to chastise him. He was just doing what he could to preserve his people, his friends, his freedom, and his entire way of life. Every alternative risked too much.

[@howdy-573]

Why are we not allowed to chastise him? AOT is a work with many grey areas. We can't all agree on what's right and what's wrong. But even if we understand why Eren did what he did, we shouldn't be happy about the murder of children. If we were to see it from a rational point of view, killing a few Eldians on an island is better than 80% of the population. He did what he had to do, but everyone has the right to criticize him.

[@zacharymarentette5269]

@@howdy-573 I'm not saying I'm happy of the murder of children. What makes this story so tragic is despite all of what Eren did and the monster he became, none of the blame can be put at him at all, for he would be a coward and a traitor to his friends and people if he did nothing and let them all die off for the sake of the 80%. That's the flaw in the consequentialist way of thought. You can be shafted simply because it benefits everyone else. None of this would have happened had the world not oppressed the Eldians for the sins of their ancestors, they had a choice. None of this would have happened had Marley not invaded Paradis, infested it with titans, and kicked down Wall Maria, they had a choice. None of this would have happened had the ambassadors of all nations not given a standing ovation to Willy Tybur's declaration of war, they had a choice. Eren had the lives of his people and himself at stake. He didn't have a choice.

[@vampyretime177]

Eren and Geto were created. They put too much pressure on both of them, and they turned them that way.

[@ljeans531]

The difference is, the world actively wants to Genocide all elidans. While normal people in JJK don't even know curses or cursed energy😂

[@farsous10]

they're both psychopaths

[@vampyretime177]

@@farsous10 both of them were kids and were taken advantage of for their powers by adults. Especially Eren.

[@farsous10]

@@vampyretime177 not saying they weren’t, but they’re still psychotic, one tries to eliminate all of regular humans in Japan and the other literally the world. No amount of justification or reasoning can defend themselves over not being known as crazy people lol, there’s a reason both of them got took down as villains

[@aaronyoghurt9210]

Nah Geto just feel underdeveloped for me. If Geto just get out of jujutsu world, play a single overwatch game, then I could relate to him.

[@bruhhmomentumm]

I don't think anyone actually thinks Griffith did nothing wrong. They probably say it for memes

[@nellyomega8866]

He did everything wrong but in retrospect I get why he did it. The torture he went through for a year straight would change anyone for the worst

[@xenobreyden]

@@nellyomega8866what about the torture guts goes through every night?

[@cyzo]

@@xenobreyden Guts is driven by vengeance, while Griffith is driven by dream. That is wholly different HE could kill himself thousands time a day just to avenge his friends

[@nellyomega8866]

@@xenobreyden We aren't talking about Guts and its not a competition on who suffered more nor am I justifying his choice. All I'm saying is I understand Griffith's action and I can't say I'm surprised he did what he did

[@KaylaIsaiah]

​@@nellyomega8866but he did the same to his friends who risked their lives to save him

[@uzomaokaforanimator2278]

imagine betraying your friends for a gay stripper bat suit💀

[@olamasama9243]

😂

[@thatB0y119]

😂😂

[@VMB01996]

Shit, i would've been crying looking at that shit too😂

[@vectorrondon5852]

Someone just as evil as Griffith is Donavan. The milk dud

[@KingEmiya2023]

@@vectorrondon5852Nah Griffith is more evil than him. Who’s probably more evil than Griffith is Wyald

[@luname2356]

I have a love-hate relationship with Geto. Like you said, he's a very well-written character and I tend to like those complex characters the most even if they turn bad. I don't justify his actions, but I do understand why he did those things.

[@ashhabimran239]

I have the same love-hate relationship with Eren

[@teddysama5745]

I feel same about eren. He was like a cornered rat. No good options

[@luminous8815]

EXACTLY

[@Spearra]

Another character that REALLY makes me feel these things, Bondrewd from Made in Abyss 💀

[@Vientokh]

Griffiths narcissistic behavior is why he was written right, In a story without hesitation with dark topics

[@luffy-aboveall1646]

for erens case: "Get Rumbled, Stay humled"

[@CoNqUeStOr2.1]

Me As Griffith's Lawyer : Your Honor Griffith Is Guilty Sentence Him

[@JustinGreen-h3b]

Griffith will always be the hardest character to defend

[@xSonamy]

Not really we a frieza to

[@OmnipotentSaiyan]

I love Geto's character. I did my best at what I thought was right only to have my views on reality crushed. I hated everything and everyone after suffering endless depression until I found what momentarily made me happy so I understand what led him to his villain arc.

[@NATM-hq1bm]

nice minecraft grass block pfp

[@hish33p32]

4:17 Not to insult you or anything, but yeah that's exactly the point of Aot's ending, whether Eren massacred the entire world or not, in the faraway future, war will still continue as long as humanity exists, the quote goes "As long as more than one human exists, humanity will fight itself" by Erwin Smith himself

[@HeheEhhehe-sr5jk]

Griffith didn't have a justifiable cause, he just did what he did to do it.

[@useruseruseruser424]

His team said they would die for him if it meant achieving what he wanted as a leader. He also told Guts that he only respects people that are willing to sacrifice everything for their goals. If Guts chooses to be friends with him after saying that then Guts is the bozo.

[@markusninja0218]

"They were the best guys arouuuund!!!" 'What about the people they murdered?' "WHAT MURDAAAA!!!!"

[@ianharrison5758]

Geto is one of those characters I absolutely don’t support bc bro was deadass tryna be on Fire nation timing with non sorcerers but given his arc I completely understand how he came to that conclusion. Like he isn’t right but technically isn’t wrong either. Curses and sorcerer society were both the main sources of some ridiculous trauma and a cycle of exploitation, and it all exists due to normal people, who literally have no idea any of this is happening. If the goal is to make a society that’s safe for jujutsu sorcerers and not just exploiting them as teen soldiers fighting nightmares for an oblivious population they either need to sever humanity from cursed energy, not really a possibility large scale, teach humans how to control their cursed energy, which is technically possible but not with everyone, or get rid of all non sorcerers. With Cursed energy centralized Almost exclusively in Japan it’s only really that countries population that they would die. After having the pressure of being top 2, in an S tier duo with the #1, treated like automatons that aren’t just teens, having to kill, risk death, consume curses and lose many close friends it totally makes sense Geto would snap. He didn’t need to do allat tho. Lowkey how I feel about Eren Yeager too bc like I get it but cmon bro

[@Astrothunder_]

Nah Geto's reasoning really makes NO sense to me. It's clear his top concern is for sorcerers, specifically his friends of Jujutsu high. His second concern is that he doesnt want to keep saving normal society and eating shitty curses. So with that logic, he can just stop saving normal society/eating curses. In real life, most of us are healthy people who could be firefighters or officers but dont want to put our asses on the line for random people. So he alrdy doesnt need justification for that. So why not just quit being a sorcerer, and just be ready to help protect Jujutsu high when necessary? He could solo virtually any threat to his friends. Why jump to "I gotta kill these monkeys so the homies can stay safe" when Geto and Gojo simply existing ensures every sorcerer's safety. Atleast Eren cant really confirm his friends safety without doing the most extreme shit.

[@81gsmokie16]

I aint reading all that

[@Sweetumsh]

​@@Astrothunder_but geto and gojos existence doesn't guarantee the safety of sorcerers because they can't be everywhere at once. that was already proven when haibara dies. obviously it was an insane conclusion to come to but when you consider getou's holier-than-thou attitude, like when he was preaching to gojo how strong people have a moral obligation to defend weak people, along with the trauma he went through during the star plasma vessel mission it's understandable why he decided what he did. there's no way he would be satisfied with just exiting jujutsu society and turning a blind eye to how sorcerers are treated by the higher ups when he knows he has the power to do something about it

[@joyc.e.7511]

@@Astrothunder_ He doesn't just want to help himself, he wants to help ALL sorcerers. But as long as regular people exist, they generate curses that Sorcerers feel obliged to take down. Now, if Geto decided to completely change the culture around being a sorcerer, instead turn it into one of preserving themselves...still sucky for regular people, but not genocidal like before.

[@Astrothunder_]

@@joyc.e.7511 he knows two people, both stronger than himself, that are both unhappy with the dynamics and institutions of jujutsu society AND want to change it (Gojo and Yuki). And instead of aligning with them and actually gettin shit done while actually keeping his friends safe, he basically says “nah ima do my own thing” that potentially puts his friends in more danger. And yea sorcerers die with regret or whatever Gege said, but let’s be real he knows one person that died ever. Nearly all his friends grew up to be strong asl and would all be alive if not inadvertently cuz of his actions. He just doesn’t have that urgent threat imo that someone like Eren did to make stupid decisions make a lil more sense.

[@rudy2538]

The Eren part is why ending dislikers/haters say it was a retcon and character assasination while ending likers/defenders say it was poetic deep ang meaningful 😂

[@sate_f]

Hmmm but Eren said multiple times he wanted to change destiny but ended up having the same outcome anyways no matter what. aside of that, can agree with everything else

[@BrianAugust-f7q]

He did change it,, his friends are alive. He did say, this is the only iteration that allow all of them to stay alive, He does not care about the future though, and war will still happen no matter what he did

[@lilg6615]

@@BrianAugust-f7q Half of his friends are dead and eren literally said he wouldn't leave paradis future to fate and yet he did, and it gets destroyed

[@BrianAugust-f7q]

@@lilg6615 only sasha is dead,, he is not a god. Yeah,,, hundred of years in the future

[@lilg6615]

@@BrianAugust-f7q hange is dead, sasha is dead, floch is dead, daz and Samuel are dead, and damn near the whole 104th cadet corps that they grew up with are dead plus 100 years of peace is nowhere near worth 80% of humanity getting destroyed

[@AM17titan]

half are dead but his main friends survived and paradise got destroyed after 1000 years @@lilg6615

[@thesilentscreamer1595]

I recently found about your videos and I must say you taught me a lot about these characters. I think the most disturbing part of our world is that there ARE PEOPLE who actively agree with and defend these characters. It may sound like a stretch but these people are the reason why mass surveillance on a national or even global level exists. These people MUST BE MONITORED 24/7.

[@faith4657]

I can't blame geto for having his body stolen. Gojo didn't properly dispose of his body.

[@ArcaneEminence]

When I heard this the first time it got my ears ringing but then when I replay it my ears are fine 1:26

[@crippledcrusader1321]

Any form of defense for Griffith left when he said the words “I sacrifice” And any chance to not hate him left when he offered Rickert to join the new “band of the hawk”, the same people who he killed and damned to hell for eternity, like it’s nothing big

[@abdelbouzazia4955]

For the AOT ending, just one thing the boy who found the tree won't repeat the same cycle that Ymir because the Halucogenia that white bacteria looking thingy is supposed to grant the wish of the one activating it ( as specified in the manga and the anime) so Ymir wanted an immortal body to escape death and her pursuers but not the young boy, he seems curious, more like an adventurer ( pretty much a scout, he has the same mentality). So no the actions of the characters we followed from season 1 to 4 TRULY ended the harrowing cycle of titans as we know it and another cycle began, a different one for sure. It is a great improvement.

[@ashhabimran239]

Also worth noting that's Ymir's context was darker, and more intense. This boy seems to be having a 'peaceful, cheery run' on a sunny day, compared to the dark, gritty colours of Ymir’s story.

[@jackrichardson9863]

For some reason I can't stop finding people who will defend The Rumbling anyway.

[@pineapplenerd7953]

im a doffy fan, but i dont defend him, i think hes good as a villain

[@dankrigby5621]

@@nn_austin Pain had super stupid reasoning tho. He essentially betrayed his own, and Yahikos morals. He litterally saw the outcome of his actions in his own life and later on still went the same way. Hatred and Pain will only lead to more hatred and Pain, he himself is THE BEST example of that. Really dont know how you can think of him as being reasonable. His whole morals got challenged by Naruto and he instantly had to admit defeat, bc his logic was just super flawed. He was one of the worst defenders of the cycle of hatred.

[@Shooketh_1]

bro got rid of half of humanity just so he can protect his friends and get rid of the titans just for it to happen all over again (i think)

[@nomus1172]

Though that’s in the far future. For all Eren knew titans would be gone forever

[@byesonineedmilk]

fun fact the tree where eren's head was buried got a hole now a kid will fall into da hole and become titan

[@possummagic3571]

​@@nomus1172 The guy should've play some Fallout games.

[@alyseleem2692]

OK, folks. It appears I will be Griffith's attorney for this session. Before you say it, no, I do not think Griffith did nothing wrong. As a matter of fact, I have dedicated an unhealthy amount of time calculating how possible it is to harm Griffith in his current status, and will be presenting my ideas after the end of this trial. That said, I do this because despite everything, I incredibly appreciate the writing of his character, as well as the logic behind it, and simply denying or dehumanising these facets entirely destroys the point behind both. Let us begin: To understand the exact motivation of Griffith requires us to define something admittedly vague. Namely, " dreams". Griffith's view of the world is defined not simply by his " dream" ,but by his conception of what a dream is, and it's inherent value; his morality preceding the events of the Eclipse, his esteem of others and his actions for or against them are defined by this viewpoint. A dream in Griffith's definition is, effectively, a raison d'etre; it's not simply an ambition, or rather, it is, but exists for more than the sake of ambition. Dreams provide people with a reason to continue existing; to exist without a dream, to exist without purpose, is a terrible fate. Dreams , and the ideals and thinking attached to them, impose meaning upon a world that is normally meaningless, and give purpose to the otherwise terrible experience of Man as a being. Indeed, in a (particularly ironic) metaphor in the manga, Griffith compares Dream to a god one must serve in order to live with purpose. In this sense, Griffith is an ardent worshipper of that god. In many ways, this metaphor serves to explain multiple things later on; namely, why Griffith sacrificed his comrades, and why Griffith's obsession with Guts was one that he felt especially conflicted about. How? Recall the dead child for whom Griffith sold his body to Gennon. Now, recall the vision Griffith experienced at the hands of the Godhand during the Eclipse. What picture do you see? Griffith, once as a child, dreamed of obtaining a castle, and becoming a king. A simple, childish dream, typical of someone of his age. This dream became his " reason" to live, despite being an abandoned child with no parents or loved ones. It gave him purpose, and began to grow and become more detailed as he grew into a man; a kingdom, where all can pursue their interests and live as equals, and where he is obviously king of the castle, beloved by all. As it grew, he began to inspire others, deliberately or unwittingly, who thus followed him, becoming ready to die for the sake of his dream, seeing it as an ideal worthy of sacrifice. Griffith realised early on in his life that by pursuing his own dream, he caused others to not simply follow his lead, but be destroyed for his sake, along with their dreams. This is why he experiences such guilt, but also resolves to continue; by destroying them and their dreams through his ceaseless quest to reach his own, Griffith came to carry the weight of fulfilling his own dream so that those dreams will not have been destroyed in vain. This is why Griffith compares " Dream" to a god; to him, it is no longer something he wants for the sake of it, but a force which demands his unrestrained sacrifice of self and other, his time and mind. An idol powered by fear, guilt and reverence, created entirely from innocent childhood fancies. A terrible yoke to bear. However, in the process, a great irony occurred: Thanks to such sacrifice, as well as the weight on his shoulders, Griffith no longer came to love his own dream so much. Like a man of faith in doubt, he was plagued by uncertainty, weak in the face of temptation. Namely, Guts. " You belong to me." " Should I need a reason?" " Do you think I'm cruel?" Contrary to common belief, Griffith never uses such terms of possession with his own soldiers; as seen with his recruitment of Casca, he leaves it as a choice, and insists on granting them the power to affect their own circumstances. The same, however, could not be said of Guts. Griffith wanted, and would eventually get, Guts. When with Charlotte, Griffith's thoughts focus on Guts. When Guts attempts to leave, Griffith stands in his way. When Zodd nearly killed Guts, Griffith nearly threw his own life away to save him. When Griffith was imprisoned, his thoughts, instead of focusing on his dream, focus once again on Guts. Even as he attempted to banish him from his mind, to leave room only for his dream, Guts seemed to eclipse even that glorious castle he envisioned as a child. Before Guts, it is nothing but a " piece of junk" again, now losing it's shine. Guts was, in Griffith's words, the only one who could make him forget about his dream... And that could not be allowed. If Griffith had actually been given the choice, the freedom, to do so, he would've abandoned his dream and chosen Guts. But he couldn't. Because even if he loved Guts more than the god named " Dream", even if the castle was a piece of junk, he had destroyed too many dreams not to get there. He had reaped too many lives to allow it to slip from between his fingers. Indeed, if " Dream" is a god, then Guts is sin personified. After his escape, Griffith's first course of action was to attempt suicide after a hallucination episode. It was then that the Eclipse commenced, and when Griffith's " God" granted him audience. It was then that he was given a choice: One last sacrifice, from the comrades already willing to die for him, or insulting all those who died for him before by refusing, and running back into the arms of Guts, who will most likely leave him once again..... As for the rape of Casca... Spoilers: Now we commence to the fun part: How To Hurt Griffith: The Incarnation Ceremony, as is known, was conducted using the body of Casca's child, allowing Griffith to manifest in the physical world and commence with his dream. This has granted us not only an explanation, but an important opportunity; despite his godlike power, his body is human, and thus, vulnerable. However, as seen in recent chapters, harming Griffith seems immensely difficult. This is not due to him being genuinely invincible; thanks to his position as a member of the Godhand, Griffith is " absolute" in the physical world in the sense that his " fortune" cannot be turned against him; in other words, he has infinite " luck". He is quite literally protected by the hand of Fate, as he is part of it. His quest cannot be stopped. However, as seen with Rickert the Mighty, there is one ray of hope: As long as whatever act is made to hurt Griffith isn't made in opposition to his " destiny" , as preordained by Casuality, it is possible to harm him. Case in point, the mighty slap. There may be no method to destroy Griffith ( and frankly, with Falconia's foundation, that would hardly be desirable), but this option gives us a wealth of opportunities to hurt him, and in more creative ways than mere killing. After all, his body is human; he feels pain. In simple terms, the recipe to hurting Griffith is: These hands.

[@zstrikerlol]

That’s damn good reasoning, but not a good excuse. I can still appreciate the time and effort put into this defense, though.

[@alyseleem2692]

@@zstrikerlol Oh, you think so? Good, because I'm not quite done yet! That said, time is of the essence, and I have little now. That said, were my other..suggestions also satisfactory? Wink wink

[@alyseleem2692]

@@zstrikerlol ( Also, thanks 😊)

[@alyseleem2692]

@@zstrikerlol OK. Expansion time: On Guts, Griffith, God And What Friends Are: Many people tend to argue the question of whether Griffith viewed Guts as a friend or not, judging by the fact that despite his surprising care for his men, Griffith demanded an " equal" with his own dream to be his friend, something we know Guts didn't have at the time. The simple answer is: Yes. Of all the followers of Griffith, Guts is the only person who could say with confidence that Griffith valued his opinion. Whether it be to judge his strategy or his moral fiber, Griffith has used Guts' input for both. This, along with the irrational lengths he will go to to keep Guts alive, marks Guts as someone he considered a friend, and likely more than a friend. So, why? Is Guts some " exception " to the rule? Is he just special? Was Griffith simply talking out of his ass? No. For those who have read the manga, recall the examples Griffith set for those who " follow their dreams" ,according to his logic. One example listed is one who " lives by the sword". This is no throwaway line; this is a direct( and very strange) reference to Guts; he genuinely believes that Guts has his own " dream" or " reason ", and that that reason was none other than " living by the sword"; living the life of a warrior, roaming from place to place, free like the wind. In Griffith's eyes, Guts' aimlessness is freedom; he is blind to his lack of purpose, perhaps because he sees his own purpose as a burden of sorts; freedom like Guts would make any man like Griffith green with envy, or red with admiration. In fact, if you think of it in retrospect, his entire speech with Charlotte, especially the ending segment, is him talking about Guts. Who else refused Griffith's offer point blank? Who else fought Griffith to keep control of their destiny? Guts was the first, and last, recruit Griffith ever had to earn, and in Griffith's eyes, that proved Guts most certainly had his own dream. This is, of course, wrong. Guts has no dream. Guts has no purpose. The only reason he swings his sword and wanders from place to place is because he knows nothing else. Granted, later in the manga, he would find purpose in swinging his sword like Griffith envisioned, but when he and Griffith first met, Griffith saw in Guts what Guts himself lacked the most: Meaning. Purpose. A kindred spirit. An equal. So why say: " You belong to me" " I will decide where you die." Indeed, as we postulated, Guts' treatment by Griffith is unique to Guts; no one within the Band Of The Hawk has ever been recruited so, nor given the impression of being Griffith's own to keep. Here is a question: How did Griffith " win" Guts? By the sword. What does Griffith think Guts lives by? The sword. How does the logic of " the sword" work? You keep what you earn by your sword. The potent irony of their situation is, whereas Guts was helplessly ensnared by Griffith's charisma and confidence, Griffith thought the only reason he managed to keep Guts was him winning their duel; that Guts only stayed because that was the law of the sword. Him reiterating this fact multiple times, all the while treating Guts as an equal otherwise, indicates that Griffith had long feared that this would change. And sadly, his fears were correct, if only for the wrong reasons. Guts alone knew he was none of those things Griffith thought of him as. Guts alone knew that he was unworthy of Griffith's friendship as he was. The fact that Griffith didn't know didn't change that that had to change for Guts to look him in the eye once more. In this sense, Guts' journey was as much to regain his self-respect as it was to truly earn the respect of Griffith. Sadly, his absence left room for Casuality to take shape. As Guts walked away, Fortune followed him, and thus, Griffith was left vulnerable. _ As we have discussed earlier, Griffith's actions are dictated by his conception of his dream; a conception that evolved into a crippling force that became more of a burden than an ideal he strove for, as more and more sacrificed themselves for it's sake. Contrary to what we have been saying though, this isn't entirely metaphorical. You see, this " god" we have been speaking of.... It exists. _ The Idea Of Evil, despite common conjecture, is canon; it appeared at the final page of Chapter 82, and was mentioned afterwards multiple times. Indeed, the only flaw within 83 was limiting the scope of revelations Miura wished to unleash regarding his world; it is, in effect, an oversimplification, but it is nonetheless enough to judge as canon. Most people can agree on this somewhat; where people differ is defining what the Idea Of Evil is. What it represents. A common, erroneous assumption is that it is, simply put, the incarnation of Evil, or else a malignant intelligence by nature. Neither can be farther than the truth. The Idea Of Evil, rather, can be described as the logical endpoint of Griffith's ideals; it is the idea that " evil ", as we understand it, must possess a justification. Dreams, or reasons, or purpose, or whatever you call it; all of them exist to create a narrative that justifies Man's continued existence and suffering. Whether it be the dreams of a lone orphan, or the grand preachings and sermons of the Holy See, or the mysticism of Kushan sorcerers, all serve the same purpose; to provide us with justification. The Idea Of Evil is the grand culmination of this conceit; " the ego of this world". By the wish of the collective will of mankind, which swirls around and binds it, it creates the stream of Casuality, where every action possesses certain meaning; where every step of Man is preordained; after all, only Man can concieve that his actions are somehow of such grand importance so as to be pre-written and pivotal to the stream of Fate. The Idea Of Evil was born to impose the wish of Man; that all suffering must have greater purpose. That no one may suffer without meaning; that none may die in vain. That all things be as intended; that " God" work in mysterious ways. The reason Casuality seems so unbeatable, so inevitable, is because it is, and not because it is beyond Man's reach. It is because it is precisely the will of Man that commands the Ungodly God Born Of Man, who thus commands Casuality in the name of Man. It is our wills combined that drive it forward; the desires of God are our desires, and our desires are the command of God. Now, the obvious question: What does any of this have to do with Griffith? This God made him. This God followed and shaped bloodlines across history to make him; shaped his life to mold him; caused every misery and victory he'd ever experienced; guided his mind and fortune through it all. The God Griffith worshipped was already there, and it was watching him fron the very start. Breathing down his neck since the dawn of his life. When recieving audience with " God", Griffith first lost the ability to shed tears, then was filled with a portion of what composed " God" as he came out, the swirls of Hell, remaking him in it's own image . From this, Femto was born; an extension of " God's" will. The Blessed King Of Longing; a wretched slave to the God named " Dream", now fully broken and collared. No more sin; no more sentiment; no more Guts. A pathetic mockery of all he once was, and he became it.... By choice. Weak. Gullible. Desperate to live up to the expectations of the dead. Indeed, it is a sad thing to see. What does it mean to be a member of the Godhand? Answer: they become the agents of " God" , with their own rule in managing the stream of Casuality. A dangerous assumption I've heard was the idea Guts is somehow beyond Casuality; this notion is utterly ridiculous. Think on this; without Guts and Casca surviving, how would the Incarnation Ceremony occur? Without Guts hating Griffith and waiting for a chance to kill him and Casca being invalid, how would both be at the Tower Of Conviction for the ceremony? Without Guts roaming the land, with his brand attracting misfortune and revealing Dark creatures men had never known before, how else would people know of it as an age of darkness, awaiting the Hawk Of Light? Everything was planned. The moment Femto stepped out, he saw the whole stream before him; the way to his kingdom, open. It was genius. It was also unforgivable. Please, excuse me as I make my second obligatory attempt on my client's life. ( loads crossbow)

[@zage932]

I'm not reading allat 😭🙏

[@ExpertContrarian]

None of these characters need to be defended. Pretty crazy that you would put Eren next to Griffith like they’re anything similar

[@PeeweePlug]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:14 🤔 *Fan Defenders Phenomenon* - Exploration of the phenomenon where fans passionately defend morally questionable characters. - Mention of characters with Legions of supporters despite committing crimes. - Introduction to the concept of fans becoming "stands" and justifying their favorite characters' actions. 00:57 📚 *Analysis of Suguru Geto* - Discussion of Suguru Geto from Jujutsu Kaisen and the three types of fans defending him. - Acknowledgment of Geto's character development but critique of his morally questionable actions. - Highlighting the controversial plan of committing genocide and his history of mass deletion. 03:38 🧐 *Analysis of Eren Yeager* - Examination of Eren Yeager's radical actions and the initial reactions from fans. Insight into *Eren's true intentions revealed later in the series.* - Critique of the massive destruction caused by Eren's pursuit of freedom. 05:20 🗡️ *Griffith from Berserk* - Critical analysis of Griffith from Berserk and his morally reprehensible actions. - Disapproval of justifying Griffith's sacrifices for personal gain. - Recognition that defending Griffith's actions is a form of delusion. 06:02 🚫 *Impossible Defenses* - Listing characters like Celestial Dragons, Doflamingo, and Hoka with extensive criminal activities. - Asserting the difficulty and moral challenge of defending these characters. - Mocking those who claim these characters "did nothing wrong." Made with HARPA AI

[@ekayn1606]

Finally someone who doesn't mess with Hisoka! The only character I like in this video is Doffy. Hear me out. He's a product of his environment. Snot face made sure to keep bro evil. Not to mention how he spent his formative years as a celestial dragon. Our bar for unforgivable, is their typical Tuesday.

[@siddhantchauhan1975]

Ok this is a bit philosophical but the way I understood the ending of aot is that eren upon unlocking the memories saw most of the show. This included him setting of the Rumbling. Also eren can’t really change the future he saw, because aot is set in a deterministic universe we’re certain things are guaranteed to happen. So the stuff eren change don’t matter kinda like in steins-gate, the rumbling will always happen, but stuff number of people will die, when it will happen are what eren can control. An example of this was Eren changing the smiling Titan from eating bertoldt. Bertoldt was always going to die eren could only change how. Eren basically had like one choice where his friends would stop him and Titan powers are gone. This makes eren a tragic character, the boy who yearned freedom is now forced to play a villain in the story, for the sake of his friends surviving because there was no other way.

[@ArcaneEminence]

BRO IN THE SHOW THIS JUMP SCARED ME SO HARD 3:25

[@marquviousgreen4674]

4:30 eren wanted his friends to be the heros that saved the world from him and go live out the rest of there lives in peace he didn't give a damn what happened after that he just wanted them to be safe

[@stefhonsmith6547]

4:55 Oh Nah, Who...*Deep Breath* *Breathe out* Who is defending Griffin? 5:06 Read it. I'm trying so hard to not go Berserk during the talking about Griffin.

[@hammerheadtamer6449]

Eren is easy to defend if you understand his character- for one thing it’s either him or them (people outside the walls), and he wasn’t just gonna let them massacre him and mistreat his people. For another he outright states that he was fated to do the rumbling, he had no choice to stop it. Don’t get me wrong, what he did was horrible, but he really had no choice

[@KINGDREX24]

He did have a choice beacuse he one that kill his mom start to this

[@chloe-jz8bb]

Yeah which is why I ask people what would they do, because there is onlly 2 options here, and they both suck and end up in genocide. Which is why I don't get the whole "Genocide is wrong" thing because it so very is, but Marley did it first, and now that Eren is retaliating all of a sudden genocide is bad? I don't see any criticism towards Marley, which I find strange

[@joyc.e.7511]

@@chloe-jz8bb With Marley, I think it's kind of obvious that they're bad. They want to eliminate our protagonists for things they haven't even done yet. And we are natural more sympathetic towards those we've been following the whole journey. That being said, Eren committing genocide is inexcusable, even if he did have no choice. I think those two things should be able to co-exist. Doesn't matter that Marley did it first (or even that before them, Eldians were messing with the whole world), the choices made by characters are their own.

[@titanus261]

​@@joyc.e.7511 yeah, nah, they tried every peace methods, none of them worked, they knew what they were even getting at cause remember they didnt knew he needed zeke and still attacked.

[@annisadwiputri]

He have a choice...and everything happened doesnt justify his actions...

[@HabitualThinker]

AYE, kenjaku taking geto’s body wasn’t geto’s fault, Gojo specifically let him get cremated.

[@olamasama9243]

My line of thinking is that if Geto didn't go down the dark path, then Kenjaku would not be able to take over his body because Geto would likely still be alive

[@b9humssjheffreinsebastian598]

​@@olamasama9243Well wont kenjaku just assassinate geto and take over his body when he needs it?

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@olamasama9243 bro victim blaming a dead person

[@H_NGM_N401]

putting eren in the same thumbnail as GRIFFITH on this video topic is wild

[@ItsFijiii]

I really feel this cuz jogo is certainly strong. but if anyone else he fights makes him look weak then isn't he just weak? W video btw

[@olamasama9243]

I'm glad you have sanity, if you go on TikTok, the JJK fandom has been losing their minds with Jogo memes(I am also losing my mind)

[@Kyuubey0406]

No, he’s not weak. He had to fight both of the pinnacles of power in Jjk, Sukuna and Goatjo.

[@Fentlover1]

Call him weak till jogoat pulls out his bankai! Then you will see how goted he is🌋🌋🌋🔥🔥🔥

[@YourAverageLoser763]

i mean his main 2 fights were with the legit strongest characters in the whole verse 💀 i mean he is def strong, like even sukuna acknowledged his strength

[@bignoob2726]

Bro, even Kenjaku would get clowned by those match ups. He literally went from hunting 6 eyes, limitless users to using the prison realm upon looking at Gojo.

[@PirateKingBuggy]

Jogoat underrated because he had to scrap Gojo twice and Sukuna once unfair asf R.I.P Jogoat

[@chrismenary3340]

I don’t think Eren wants to be defended for his actions just so long as his home is safe that’s all that matters

[@possummagic3571]

And it wasn't, because war never changes. People want them dead, and no amount of lollipops Levi gives out will change that.

[@innocuousalias6632]

Eren trying to destroy the world makes perfect sense from the first episode onward. I never really got into aot because the whole thing felt like an emo trauma fantasy.

[@channelname9468]

How you gonna make this video and not have Light Yagami

[@rhiannonm8132]

i rly think geto is an example of someone who just really, really needed support and mental health intervention at a young age. like, not to bring this too far into the real world, they just did such a good job portraying his mental breakdown that i was like, get this boy therapy immediately…. which doesn’t usually come to mind when watching anime lol. im not saying this to associate mental illness with violence or anything, im just mentally ill also and went through a breakdown as a teen, and while i didn’t decide genocide was the way to go i really related to the instability he was experiencing. which again, is wild bc it’s an anime lol and im used to most characters acting outrageous. but to me it really felt like geto was a vulnerable teen who developed mental illness at an age where a lot of people do; and he fell into a fucked up ideology trying to make sense of his trauma. in his mind, he was doing the right thing and everything was with the specific goal of bringing about a world where gojo and everyone would be safe and live in peace. his actions are not justifiable but his goal was selfless. i think there’s something redeemable about his character, and i think he could have easily been saved. i will not make this argument about griffith, who can rot. no matter what happened to that morherfucker or how they could have saved him, his goals are 100% selfish and there’s no justification for what he did to caska.

[@Abonphire]

The Amount of people glazing Erin honestly blew mines. Like yall really just gone agree with Genocide ? lol 😂

[@LadyLeomon]

Eren was simply responding in kind: these total strangers who he had never met or even dreamed of, he grew up hearing the myth of Titans “eating all of humanity outside the walls”. Then he found out that not only was that a lie, but also the Titans that terrorised his people for so long were a result of other innocents who these strangers deemed “guilty” and sentenced them to become monsters. Hell his own brother squealed on their father and his first wife, so I always found it incredibly funny this same guy was trying to be all “we’re brothers!” after essentially causing Eren’s mother to be eaten by Zeke’s Titanised mother Dina (there is evidence that the Smiling Titan knew who Eren’s mother was and killed her the way she did out of spite). Eren was damned the moment he was born for things that were never his fault, the hatred of an entire world aimed his peoples’ way purely for having “demon blood”. It killed my heart when he died in the end, but at least now the Marleyans will have to fight their own bullsh*t wars without having great big, f*ck-off nightmare monsters to eat their enemies (also knowing Gabi and her simp boyfriend will almost certainly die in the next war brings me many smiles) Eren was literally a product of his environment, he just went about things a bit smarter than the other guys did (and these are the same people who laughed as a little girl was eaten by dogs, the Marleyans deserved to get Rumbled and no one can convince me otherwise)

[@HeroSword_P]

Should add Obito from Naruto Shippudden. People love to forgive him because he was just heartbroken after Rin dead and he "redeemed" himself at the end to help the protagonists win the war, but that doesn't absolve him of all the deaths he caused and committed. Literally most of the bad events happened because of him and the Akatsuki.

[@THEKINGCINOS]

Congrats on hitting 10K subs bro!

[@olamasama9243]

Thanks bro, it's been a long journey so far

[@YunaTuna01]

5:00 gang im a huge fan of griffith and i cant even support and defend his actions(very well written character tho)

[@AlvinYu-zc1hv]

The way how attack on titan's ending is so messed up is part of the reason of why the writing of it is absolutely genius

[@teddysama5745]

I did enjoy the ending. Maybe anime fixing things is the cause

[@kryptikbeats]

BRO I recently got my wife to watch hxh and we binged in literally like a week or a few days more (I know I don't have a life but odds are you don't either) and she finally got to see who tf Hisoka was and anytime he would say somethin crazy out of pocket (that's an understatement but idk what else to call his moments) she would look at me and be like "WTF WHO IS THIS GUY? WHO WROTE THIS GUY IN?? WHO THOUGHT OF HIM SAYING THIS TO 12 YR OLDS??" which I cant blame her for it. BUT SHE IS EVEN MADDER THAT WE DONT GET ANYMORE OF THIS GEM OF A SHOW WHEN THERE WAS MORE TO BE ANIMATED. I know "MOST" of the manga has been animated.... BUT AT LEAST GIVE US THE DARK CONTINENT ARC LIKE WTF?????? re-watching got me mad bc I somehow forgot how hard it was to not know what happens after the last episode... PS. DONT TELL ME PALM COOCHIE DONT STINK. Yeah I know she got better lookin with the scales and the lil uzi gem on her forehead but its still the same monkey it was before right? gotta be

[@mechamanw668]

4:47 so uhhhhh... did anyone else see the subscribe buttun make a shimmer when he aske if we subscribed? How long was this a feature? Shit's crazy

[@VMB01996]

Yeah this freaked me out for a while

[@ninanayanna]

this video is great !! a little constructive criticism, use a little less boom effect, it became a little repetitive in the middle, but otherwise it was very entertaining !

[@MYBIGDADDY-uwu]

First, and this is a great video W

[@chip9615]

this man needs 100k

[@naturalstrength8393]

Griffith had the choice between becoming a demi god and remaining a cripple the rest of his life who's sole purpose is to witness Guts and Casca living happily ever after, not many people would pass up on that offer

[@fromthesouthofafrica6815]

Fair enough. He's still a bastard.

[@naturalstrength8393]

@@fromthesouthofafrica6815 true

[@KaylaIsaiah]

I'd happily be crippled for the rest of my life 😊

[@naturalstrength8393]

@@KaylaIsaiah Seek help

[@KaylaIsaiah]

@@naturalstrength8393 I would choose been crippled over hurting my friends any day of the week

[@brandeno919]

All 3 have the best heel turns ever the writing for each turning evil is so good it got their fans defending them just like their henchmen

[@DarkMori_]

TWIN HIT 10kkkk

[@olamasama9243]

Thanks bro

[@PerFectCell92]

Yeah Geto I just like because his character and ability. It just all culminates into a well written result

[@Meta_Ciphers.]

Shocked Akainu wasnt here, kinda, actually .

[@olamasama9243]

If I ever did another one of these videos, he would be in it.

[@Meta_Ciphers.]

@@olamasama9243 looking forward to the next upload

[@mrbeard798]

You get *A LOT* of views yet they don’t even subscribe… what a shame, you really deserve over 100 thousands subscribers with these amount of views to be honest

[@icehd2412]

Eren has an excuse his brain was fried from seeing the future and the past

[@Ammiad]

"Errm akshually in part 1 of season 3 of the anime, it is stated that when someone becomes the founding titan, their consciousness is replaced by that if the founding titan himself, therefore eren was not himself during the rumbling, and as such is not at fault" (no spoilers pls cus thats the part i reached so far)

[@captainflappyarms8277]

The only way i can defend suguru is, unlike people say, he isnt racist since jujutsu sorcerers and normal humans are both humans, and he calls all non sorcerers monkeys not just a specific group. Since jujutsu sorcerers are not a race he technically isnt racist even though if he wasnt human he would be.

[@user-zz3sn8ky7z]

That's just a matter of semantics, he gets called racist because there is no simple term for "discrimination based on a lack of magical abilities". He still discriminates against a specific group of people based on the circumstances of their birth (Keep in mind that the ability to control CE is a direct biological anomaly in the brain, if you can't do it from birth you never will - so no, they aren't the "same humans" actually) and plans to commit genocide against them. The fact that technically the term racist doesn't fit the attorcities he did/is planning to do doesn't defend his actions in the slightest

[@yourlocalmoron4832]

​@@user-zz3sn8ky7zableist perhaps?

[@Koneoluga]

4:02 "damn wish I had a friend as loyal as that"

[@RELIX_EDITZZ]

Bro is cooking all day everyday

[@Jonas-ob2sh]

Eren admitted to Ramzi and Armin that he wanted to wipe everything away because he wanted to see the empty, unoccupied outside world and also because he, as Armin put it in the anime, wanted to simply erase people from the world. So the rumbling wasn't just for his friends, paradis and Eldia. If it was only for them, then he wouldn't have put them on risk by attacking Liberio, Sasha and Hange would be alive and civil war against Floch wouldn't have happened.

[@arongebremedhin9764]

Not to mention that the ppl who lived near the 3 walls would also be alive

[@valltrax4076]

nah griffith and hisoka are relateable just in case you need to know its a joke

[@michael-gq8vk]

FREE DOFFY ( he committed many heinous crimes but hey he has a cool jacket)

[@jonathanplooij3666]

The rumbling is like destroying 80 random schools for something your neighbour did

[@possummagic3571]

It's okay guys, Eren just had a rough childhood.

[@youngkai8864]

As the great Arthur Watts told Cinder Fall (RWBY): "You think you're entitled to everything just because you suffered, but, suffering 's not enough. You can't just be strong, you have to be smart, you can't just be deserving, you have worthy, but all you have ever been IS A BLOODY MIGRAINE!! This is for Griffith. And I'm speaking as someone who never saw berserk but going off what @Olamasama is saying.

[@HORIZON00236]

First off all to what you said about eren they changed it from the manga he said he didn’t know why he did it, however in the plot of both the anime and manga explained that their was no way to find peace considering Tybur told everyone the truth and still accepted that the eldian should die so it was either kill the eldians of the outside world . I’m not saying i agree with the rumbling but looking about with the evidence eren had no choice and he didn’t just want to protect his friends but also his people I suggest everyone look at the chapter 139 and you will see what I mean by what they changed

[@olamasama9243]

I get the whole idea of that he felt like he had no other choice, but I feel like at that point Zeke's plan would've been seeing how we know what happens to Paradis island in the future.

[@HORIZON00236]

@@olamasama9243that’s the problem though eren disagrees with the euthanasia plan because that goes against eren character it basically means hey the world doesn’t like so why don’t stop you from giving birth and die off so everyone can be happy how would you feel if black people dealt with that same mentality because of our skin color or your family members the author wrote himself into a corner where there are no options

[@HORIZON00236]

@@olamasama9243 Even if everyone agreed with Zekes plan, do you think the world is going to agree with Zeke, they might as well kill them off, because the hatred or fear they have, that is the line thinking the outside world views.

[@kaiblade760]

@@olamasama9243 Only a heartless person will support Zeke's Euthanasia plan in my opinion.

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@HORIZON00236 stop it, don’t make him think that much!

[@AishahAbdulrauf-l9p]

I love ur opinions,u know I was watching a video in which someone said that tanjiro character is boring cause he is too good,I don’t agree tho,I kinda like tanjiro gentle character but I guess ppl prefer those that r well so bad but they end up changing

[@maximyles]

I’m the case of Eren, you are bugging. It’s not about what’s right or wrong, in any of these instances. It’s about a power struggle of wills. Erens people has been subjected for 100s of years, confined to a tiny society and his people have been killed. Nobody, has personal connections to the whole world - the only people we all care about, are the people we know and love. Eren saw his whole world crushed when his Mother died. It’s perfectly reasonable for him, selfishly, to ensure that never happens again. The only difference is that he actually had the power to stop it. The rest of the world wanted to crush, or control the inhabitants of paradise. That gives paradis the right to equally enforce their freedom. Don’t prod sleeping giants.

[@decafjava8565]

Umm the Eldians were isolated on the island for only 100 years and it was King Fritz that willingly did that to atone for the fact that prior to that they had an empire dominating the rest of the world for much longer. So they were the oppressors until the Great Titan war (a civil war) then Marley took over and became the oppressors themselves.

[@AM17titan]

exactly poeple wanted king fritz who dominated the world and created titans is an ELDIAN@@decafjava8565

[@supreme_vess75]

⁠​⁠@@decafjava8565but all parties responsible for the war are long dead and gone the island is not responsible for what there ancestors did thats why in ch 134 the world/ Marley even admitted that they shouldn’t have put the blame on paradis

[@dariusreedo]

Griffith had the qualifications and potential that not that many others have. He invested most of his life to the dream and others notice. Entities of many guide him knowing his potential. A top candidate for success. However, the last step was to throw away his humanity. It is not an excuse for his actions but understandable. If not him, they would have chosen another candidate.

[@planetbirthday6859]

After this recent one piece chapter you can't be defending celestial dragons

[@Nicovspz]

2:18 BRO TOJI SAID IT ONCEEE (toji effect)

[@thatboifreedom]

EREN AINT DO NUN WRONG HE SAID SORRY FREE MA BOI

[@woof6485]

If I was tortured like Griffith, I'd sacrifice everyone as well

[@OK-yy6qz]

People confuse a character that's sympathetic with a character that's right/morally good. Or even morally gray Griffith,Eren,Geto aren't morally Gray, they're morally black AF. 2 of these characters are just Hitler on steroids and the other is the antichrist

[@ExpertContrarian]

Wrong, all three characters are completely different, and Eren is not morally black. People who are against Eren are morally black and support minority genocide.

[@theauditor3224]

"Kneel down fruadkuna. you were weak" *Morbs* -JoGoat probably

[@xSonamy]

I don’t defend none of their actions I just don’t care or support also I love Griffith, Geto, Hisoka (not the weird stuff he do), and Eren! they are all one of my favorite characters from the anime they are in! 🥰

[@TheOPdog]

I just subbed and great video btw.

[@thiccomniman]

I think Light Yagami should also be added to the list. I mean yeah, he does have some sort of ideology and a twisted sense of justice, but he literally just finds a book and starts killing people because he got bored. Some kills were justified, others were not, specifically Naomi Misora, cuz what Light did to her was immensely fucked 😭

[@useruseruseruser424]

Every kill Light makes is justified because he isn't blood thirsty for the sake of it. Crime rates massively decreased during Light's reign. Naomi Misora would've led him to get caught. Is the death of a few unjustifiable if it means the guaranteed safety of the larger population of innocents?

[@ashuranero5721]

Naomi Misora was trying to get light killed for the justice that he wished for the world, so it kinda makes sense and is justyfiable to kill her, if one is in light yagamis shoes

[@useruseruseruser424]

@@ashuranero5721 Agreed. But if you support light everyone just calls you sick. Even though L works for the FBI which ultimately is just as bad - potentially worse than Light I could argue - people will always say police good Kira bad. Despite the drop in crime rate.

[@lightscorer1320]

@@useruseruseruser424Killing her is one thing but braging about how he is Kira and shit when she is about to unalive herself is NOT justified. He also kills countless people who did not need to be killed like the Yotsuba group, fake L and The FBI agents (fake L was just bc he called Light evil. Light didnt seem to care at all beforehand and the FBI agents had already cleared Light which he could easily guess since he hadnt been arrested. Killing them was just to stroke his ego and prove how capable he was to L)

[@useruseruseruser424]

@@lightscorer1320 You can act on ego and still be justified. Even in killing the fake L, if he was the real L, it would have deterred the police from continuing to chase him. Often people miss the bigger picture with this stuff - Light thought he was a God because he believed he was the only one capable of correcting the Earth. Of course he will have an Ego with that - even though being Godly is supposed to be without Ego - but he’s a human so it’s not necessarily literal. Light’s aims was to create a better world. He wasn’t killing simply out of bloodlust. He decreased the crime rate and had people worship him for applying justice to criminals which the police wouldn’t do shii about - i.e, why mikasa loved him. If Light is evil, then every single president / world leader is also evil to you.

[@dagoodboy6424]

6:41 he did WHAT?

[@PowerPlayerz100]

GET OUTTTT

[@Chilled_Blue]

I feel like you misinterpreted Erens intentions in the last episode a little bit. In the special before, Eren stated how he was seriously disappointed with the fact humanity had survived beyond the walls and in order to gain his definition of freedom, he wanted to erase humanity. At first he thought and tried convincing himself that he was doing it for his friends but in the end, he realized it wasn't that only reason. He didn't feel like he had to do what he did, he did it because it's what he wanted because it fit his definition of freedom and what a free world is to him. But yeah, great video!

[@tecknoid659]

You know Eren had seen the possibility’s and they ended in the rumbling either Paradisa attacking or by him. The way we do ended up making his friends hero and gave peace

[@ExpertContrarian]

No, Eren didn’t see any possibilities. He saw the future which means he has no free will.

[@Joe-yb8ey]

geto got called monkey ONCE by toji and turned it into his word

[@MvkaDaMenaxe]

Eren is so easy to defend

[@titanus261]

He's the easiest to defend, Geto one isnt even arguable cause if he has time to genocide he had time to make other changes to make people develop their cursed energy and all that. All the other in this list leeds to either be in jail or dead.

[@TheSavior-zq4ls]

hell no

[@MvkaDaMenaxe]

@@TheSavior-zq4lsyeah he is

[@Orca_mammal]

Hardest.

[@MvkaDaMenaxe]

@@Orca_mammal not

[@luminous8815]

Another one I can think of Chrollo from HxH Being leader of the phantom troupe he was probably in charge of the curta clan massacre, and what was done to the curta clan is UNFORGIVABLE Like at least these people just killed and took people out of their misery, but the phantom troupe did horrendous things basically desecrating and abusing human bodies both before AND after death. I don’t remember if it’s in the main manga of HxH or a spin off with Kurapika, but when I read the stuff they did it was more than just "steal the red eyes" It was horrific 💀 And people still want to defend Chrollo for his continuous bad actions even after the massacre just because the anime made him an "uwu pretty boy" 💀

[@nulls5408]

*The Seven Lucifers* (for either their actions and/or personality coming off as so vile and evil that such a title is more than fitting - especially with how some may rationalize their horrific actions) *Of Anime* : 1. Johan Liebert (Monster) - a child who was groomed to become the next Hitler, turned widespread homicidal maniac with being known as a true master manipulator even as a child and probably the closest thing to the “Last Man” of Nihilism. 2. Aizen (Bleach) a prideful master manipulator that wished to dethrone and become god. Commonly had people kill those they cared about and actively committed indiscriminate human experiments on “friend” and foe alike. 3. Giffith (Berserk) an “ends justify the means individually” who commonly saw those around him as nothing more than things to own. Self portrayed as a benevolent god when he is actually the farthest thing from such a entity. 4. Kira (Death note) a egotistical child turned self justified mass murder that gained the power of a god through pure chance. Attempted to propagate himself as a god through his borrowed power, with his pride being his downfall. 5. Makima (Chainsaw) essentially the Demiurge of her world. Making it her personal playground where she controlled practically everything and attempted to own what she currently couldn’t control - possibly due to her pride getting in the way of doing it the easy way. 6. Yuno Gasai (Future Diary) Commonly known as *The Yandere* or Queen of Yanderes who is the god of her world. Activiely destroying it and going on a homicidal rampage in it twice - all for her point of obsession. Destructively manipulative that it defies any logic and by technicality one of the Lucifers that has currently gotten what they wanted. Let that sink in. 7. Prince Achmea (Land of the Lustrous) the leader of the remaining humans on the moon, a master manipulator who only wishes to die with the rest of humanity; Achieving this by having the group that was steadfast against him for hundreds of potentially thousands of years turn on each other. Turning the main character and several other gems into his own darth vader fueled only by a bitter hatred for those they once cared for by stoking the flames of their latent insecurities. - leaving the “protagonist” as a self made god on a dead world. With any meaning to their existence long gone. Is there anyone else you think should also be known for this title? Should they replace one that I Listed?

[@greed5111]

Bondrewd (Made in Abyss)

[@TheBriguy1998]

@@greed5111 Agree 100%. Bondrewd is so horrible that he somehow also usurps the award for Worst Anime Dad from Shou Tucker.

[@joyc.e.7511]

@@TheBriguy1998 It's impressive how disgusting Bondrewd is, tbh. Haven't hated a fictional character that hard since Belos from The Owl House. It's those characters that think they're 100% justified that really boil my blood.

[@starriberri]

gotta watch out for the guys with manbuns fr (I’m partially joking)

[@felixortiz257]

Kratos. But i will still defend him.

[@mh4624]

Wow what an underrated channel

[@patrickeles8437]

Naa I think eren Yeager can be justified because this guy's gave him and his people a faith worst than death because of something that their ancestors did. This where innocent people that know nothing about what was going on only that titans were eating them. On top of that they were treated like shit in their own land and they also recruited their own people as titans to fight them, brain washing them that they can attone for their sins by murdering their own people. Erine wasn't just destroying everyone because of his friends, he wanted to end this madness. You said imagine waking up and seeing titans killing everyone, isnt that what the colossal titan did when he kicked the wall, that is a declaration of war and the whole world was in support. If eren didn't do that, they would have made him and his people extinct. Besides it's actually a moral lesson that shows what happened when people fail to letgo of the past and focus on the future. Eren is a 100% justified. In the mist of oppression, an eren yeager will be born one day and that is how life is.