tHe HaRdEsT mIsSiOn - Wings of Mengsk - Nightmare Difficulty - 07

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[@danielwunsche2005]

Where many hours of failure... I don't know if I should be disappointed because of the length or be happy that Grant managed to finish it in 40

[@Player_Kolosus]

Same

[@conan2096]

it might not be as long as you were hoping for, but its girthy enough to be satisfying.

[@underkiller6875]

I finished this mission with 2 colonies safe strangely enough it was kind of sad for me cause I thought it would be more difficult. Then again I did most of the campaign before this mission and had full lab ups.

[@nt.hunter]

I didn't even suggest him take the Safe Haven way, and watched the whole of it. I was promised 6 hours lol

[@kylerd5663]

Wait this is it, there is not like another five hours on a Twitch replay or something?

[@NightNord]

That one templar on the high ground probably got more kills with auto-fire than the rest of his kind in the entire protoss history

[@SIMULACRA37]

I saw that! I was so annoyed he didn't pick it off.

[@Tullipaner]

I am here to watch the entire VOD

[@Yetidelamontagne]

Doing my part !

[@katieheys3007]

Same! The entire mod has been fun

[@calebadam2576]

Same!

[@Frost-ul1yi]

Didn’t vote but will still watch the whole thing anyways, always a treasure

[@explore7891]

Welp got my drink...LET GO!

[@dimant35ify]

Lets to go Belshir, as this is the closest quest chain that you can finish next

[@danpitzer765]

Also, maybe a Royal Guard goliath. That would be cool if there is one.

[@BrownsheepBF]

@@danpitzer765 There is, very fun. All the bonus range and simultaneous air and ground attack of the upgraded vanilla campaign units but with cliff jumping and other fun stuff.

[@joshuakim5240]

@@danpitzer765 There's Bulwark Company, but no idea if they'll actually be implemented considering how the Death Head reaper weren't.

[@yami-131]

agreed

[@peons1]

Hell yeah, Belshir!

[@Archphoenix1]

just a reminder that it is this hard while mengsks units are omega OP. This insane

[@ironmilutin]

Shows how balanced guardian shell is.

[@Shadesight]

Grant never really got to the point of truly OP mengsk units - I don't think he got *any* level 3 units. Rocket troops are great, but this victory was *all* Grant.

[@antonitomasik8946]

​@@ShadesightI saw one lvl3 Sky Fury right after the Purifier's shields fell at the end of the video

[@Mgalds]

Lots of them seem to have different stats. Sky furies in coop have a chance to avoid damage entirely, rather than simply reducing it

[@Xenotric]

@@Mgalds yeah technically they been slightly nerfed overall in this mod because a unit that deals 250 damage to massive units and evades 50% of all damage and then also deals hundreds of damage on ground to massive units is kinda game breaking in campaign where big things are meant to be scary. That said they inherited the aoe attacks from raynor and han and horner which themselves are very strong but don't neutralize the difficult stuff.

[@hypotheticalaxolotl]

23:25 "I'm never gonna not be supply blocked, am I?" He says, as he salvages his SUPPLY bunkers (for cash?) when he has 3K in the bank >_>.

[@Fitzkrieg]

Silly Grant

[@Squarcialupi]

'Cos his solution was to Call to Labour the Forced Conscription guys to workaround his lack of workers, but it was pretty entertaining to see that auto-pilot goof a lil

[@sindrisuncatcher653]

I like how in the end, the final solution to the protoss menace is just filling the map with ordinary conscripts with rocket launchers. Anyway I vote for the research upgrade on the right.

[@mimicrymwot]

Guardian shell is an interesting case of an ability that is very fun to play with, but disctinctly unfun to play against. When you have it, it is great, because it allows to make a mistake and still be punished for it (as now you have to be extremely careful with this 1hp unit), but not as hard as you would had the unit been killed. But then when your enemy has it, it's like 'Oh, you went out of your way and focused fire on a high-value target? Well, it has a guardian shell, so no you didn't.'

[@benedict6962]

I feel like it would make more sense if it encouraged landing and flying to juggle the guardian shell, but that requires MUCH better retargeting AI or just making guardian shelled units untargetable.

[@BrownsheepBF]

@@benedict6962 Guardian Shell does make the unit un-targetable and immune for that brief 3-4 seconds after it triggers. You can see at points in the video where there's lone phoenixes harassing his Witness at the second but the turrets take a break when the Guardian Shell pops.

[@BrownsheepBF]

Yeah the Guardian Shell leaves a really sour taste in my mouth trying this mission. Especially when you have such a long range unit like Vikings which are so good at sniping enemy units it's just such a slap in the face.

[@solaariel2692]

In the player's hands Guardian shell is a powerful tool to allow you to retreat injured forces, but when the enemy has it you just have to sit there and wait while invulnerable enemies whittle down your forces. Another thing I noticed is that it contributes to a lot of wasted shots; because vikings fire volleys of relatively slow projectiles, an entire volley can be wasted on a 1 hp enemy. There will always be some overkill in normal play, but every enemy surviving at 1 hp means that you will have this issue with every air unit. I wonder if a composition of units with hitscan weapons would have been better?

[@mimicrymwot]

@@solaariel2692 yes, all the projectiles going into a single target and still not killing it is exactly what I was talking about

[@evophage]

Only 40 minutes? Guess we gotta watch this 9 times to make up the full six hours!

[@jace6273]

25:18 that stalker cosplaying spinlot, im laughed too loud😂😂😂

[@lewisjones9142]

Grant owes us 5hr 20min, but we’ll let it slide. Deadman’s Port!

[@MrRageBuilder]

I was only half lisening, but what I took away from his end speech is that Grant prepared for this mission by having a 3 hour shower thinking about nightmare.

[@steelwindv2]

was expecting a long vod, 40min video? i will still take it and fully watch it lol - edit: watched the mission & learned that rocket troopers are OP. would like to see deadman's port next

[@aaronscott7467]

The rocket troopers really are good, but don't forget the Vikings do 100 damage twice vs heroic

[@steelwindv2]

this is also very true, but still pretty good on how fast the mothership died lol after everyone telling grant how hard this would be and we were expecting a long vod

[@calebadam2576]

In my own play of thus mod Ive found experience costs highrr than the co-op version, even with the buff to experience gain. It may well be more beneficial to keep a smaller elite team and not produce more royal guards until you level your existing ones up. Halfway through and hoping Grant finds out about the Balius before the mission is over, too.

[@SuperSnowshark]

Second this, I've gone through the mod a couple of times and I try not to produce any new Royal Guards until my existing ones are fully levelled. Then I can use the kills of my fully levelled units to fuel up the ones I've just produced back at base, it's a really cool cycle once you get the hang of it

[@jarrakul]

I think, with all the self-handicaps Grant does, that the community sometimes forgets he's very good at this game. XD And hey, he's got the rockets.

[@mastercoolguy2809]

Heck for me it’s just the fact he always plays on brutal or, if it’s available, nightmare. Highest I’ve done is hard and even then I’m just not that great

[@wisp6826]

Ah yes. Protect the colony. The bad ending.

[@Noplayster13]

Any ending where the doctor lives is the bad one.

[@Max_ikingking]

Hi Grant and community. Please pick right. It is obviously the far superior choice. Why you ask? Allow me to elaborate. While the left side offers only the "fenrir squadron", the right side offers the "FENRIR SQUADRON" which should already tell it'S the way better choice by name alone but if you need more arguments I'll humour you. While the "fenrir squadron" only does an unknown amount of dps, which already sounds kind of bad, while have a lackluster unkown amount of health, the "FENRIR SQUADRON" come with an amzingly powerfull unknown amount of dps and on top of that even has unknown amounts of health (if that doesn't sound awesome what does?!). That was the stat comparison. Now that we are done with stats we can look at the coolnesfactor. The "FENRIR SQUADRON" brings an awesome model with a lot of details and can be viewed as one of THE units, meanwhile the "fenrir squadron"s model looks kind of meh. The animation is and it hurts me to say that about as good on either but that still leaves us with the following score: Left side ("fenrir squadron" [buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh]) 1point Right side ("FENRIR SQUADRON" [wow how cool, awesome, nice]) 3points 1:3 is a decisive victory for right side. Thanks for reading this pickind guide and keep on having a good day

[@riluna3695]

This is a beautiful example of the kind of nonsense people like Mengsk pull to make you feel really strongly for one side over the other based on jack friggin' shit. An excellent primer on propaganda, well done.

[@Cobra100]

When I saw the guardian shields I was expecting to be watching this for an hour longer I did.

[@Meto_50]

Would've been funny if Grant had added 3 hours of nothing to the end of the Vod^^

[@BartixShieldsmen]

At this point i think this would be a great time to unlock the marauder :D

[@Shadesight]

Yeah, I kinda want to see what Balius does on Monlyth.

[@The-jy3yq]

​@@Shadesightnahhh we gotta go blackhammer on this one

[@RagingReaper]

Ah my favorite SC2 youtuber uploaded the hardest mission! *Sees it's only 40min* I was willing to keep the deal for 6 hours so it is still acceptable. Always happy to watch Grant.

[@TheHalogen131]

It is time to fulfill my end of the bargain. I probably will watch it in two seatings, but I'm watching every second. Love ya Grant

[@TheHalogen131]

That was fun. I wish there were more air enemies to make use of the viking air to air splash, but without the Spear of Adun shields, of course. Good job, Grant.

[@user-nw4oq6vx3i]

nicely done; destroying the bottom base early would probably be extremely useful, since it is the production base, but it looked nearly impossible to actually destroy. I would say you should take the left upgrade, and deadmans port since I am wondering how the wraith will be different in the future.

[@Photoloss]

I doubt the base itself actually produces much, even in vanilla this mission relies a fair bit on off-screen invulnerable warp gates for the various waves and the Purifier has a power field. Not that the cheaty gates even require power in the first place IIRC.

[@izanagi3521]

From what i saw, that bottom left base produces all the air units that would defend the other 2 bases. If you kill the defenders but are unable to kill the nexus, air units will come from that base to replace the lost air units.

[@Beautiful6064]

Well I am here as promised to watch the whole thing here we go (also 40mins I thought you said this might be hours :D ) your just too good at SC2

[@13g0man]

I was not expecting that end, I thought the Mothership would have Guardian Shell just to make it that little bit harder. Loved that fight between a planet destroying spaceship and a spam of meat shields with rocket launchers.

[@hendrikgreiner8449]

I am here to fullfil my contractual obligations for the whole 39 minutes and 59 seconds like we promised!

[@raghduhl2877]

While I was hyped for the three hour cut, this was increadibly satisfying to watch

[@luk7269]

You actually already have your first "mercenary" unit on this mission, the balius, which absolutely anhilates any and all threat and self heals, I reckon the mission would be easier if you used it (although it's extremely costly)

[@mobgabriel1767]

You mean the balius from the Coop mission?

[@luk7269]

@@mobgabriel1767 yep

[@shuckmatt2947]

I think the problem with your earlier attempts is that yes the conscripts suck but you are floating an insane amount of minerals and have the supply space to use them. They can at least handle the DT's and other nuisance waves that rush the mineral line

[@ChannelMiner]

We got our own transformer, the rough and tough viking. He can fly and he doesn't scream like that little wuss Starscream.

[@Hidden_Sage]

So, I fell asleep the first time through (because the vid posted at 1AM my time and I was le tired). But circling back now... Damn, that episode was something. Love this series, and can't wait to see what you do next. My vote is actually gonna be Dead Man's Port for next mission - beating Orlan's teeth in with a Balius sounds fun.

[@breathstealer5486]

Left if you're unsure. Right if you're sure about the next mission

[@Makujah_]

That was incredible. Watched the whole vod despite being generally against going into hard challenges underprepared

[@crabroll1681]

40 minutes? Man mengsk has it easy. I was ready for a 4 hour video, but great job grant enjoying this mod so far.

[@valor3221]

17:29 the cut sound sounds like "Fu*k Vikings" or more like "Fu*kings" xD

[@misticfairy9899]

left and bel'shir, been a long time fan glad to see you didn't struggle too badly with that mission, hopefully you take care of yourself

[@aleksandarlazarov9182]

You fought the hardest mission and as promised - I watched the full VoD! It was foolish of us to think this would be a challenge for you, Grant. You truly are a master of this game!!!

[@bookshop7337]

Let's go Bel Shir, so we can start seeing some spec-ops action soon!

[@Rethaxian]

Man, what an intense mission. It hits hard and fast. I think what paid off is all the years of challenge runs, thinking on your feet. You really worked it out super fast. Amazingly done, makes me want to play sc2 again just for custom stuff. But I'm bad lmao

[@lombre4453]

You can lower the difficulty tho, a lot of mods aren't nightmare

[@BrownsheepBF]

@@lombre4453 A lot of them use Nightmare as a base. I don't blame them, Rhyme and Grant did some amazing work on the mods which make them an amazing base for adding lots of cool stuff without really having to worry about balance as much because the Nightmare changes make the balance so level to begin with. But those Nightmare changes affect the lower difficulties as well. Which means that if you're only sorta comfortable with Base Game Brutal Difficulty, the second you add a Nightmare based mod, you're almost forced down to Hard or Normal mode. If you're uncomfortable playing hard then you basically can't play any of them, the difficulty spike is too much.

[@lombre4453]

@@BrownsheepBF I was thinking about mods that aren't Nightmare difficulty. The Moebius mod can be played on easy if I remember correctly, so you can choose weither or not you want to play in Easy or Brutal with it. On the other hands, mods with nighmare implemented are intended to be indeed played on Nightmare. I think lowering the difficulty to normal/hard is still going to help, but it'll be a lot harder. That I'm unsure of as I haven't tried many mods and played on the intended difficulty for Moebius and LoTV.

[@quickdraw6893]

@@BrownsheepBF Casual difficulty is still extremely easy even on Nightmare, I don't think anyone's really limited out of the game here by Nightmare mod. The Nightmare-based attack waves are tiny.

[@ttilatv3502]

I... think I got a thing. When you said, he puts the hi in hydra, I remembered Carbot animations and the waving hydra, it's a hidra, or maybe that's just me

[@user-xb2xg3wi5r]

Tal’Darim shall gladly welcome you in the jungle.

[@Mesteryman1]

You don't need to buy the mercs for the hero units, Balius was worth the cost but there will be another one that is leagues better. Won't say when or what but it will be fun. Honestly love to see you think around the problems. Enjoy the rewards for questlines as they are well worth the pain.

[@Kilraeus]

Grab the predator and dead mans port for next planet. 40 minutes? Man i was let down, i set aside 2 hours for this.

[@KindaJewish]

I watched the first failure and then skipped to the end. You have been bamboozled

[@Greatnessquared]

No matter how much he hates the Doc, he will always choose this mission branch lol

[@Zok]

I came with my watch time, as promised! Cheers for doing this!

[@duke_aki]

This series seems nice, it makes me want to play it too, good job

[@ripedroxx]

this was the mission that taught me that you should focus on getting rank 3 units instead of tons of base ones, once you figure it out the rest of the mods becomes an absolute power trip lol

[@Caltimus100]

"Reporting for duty!"

[@alcatraz160]

Sus video length. Also definitely right and belshir to start the mission counter for the Tosh story line going, then I think monlyth into Dig is long over due.

[@nacl4988]

TO BE FAIR. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE HARD. YOU ARE FIGHTING OFF THE MAGICAL SPACE WIZARDS WITH BULLET.

[@momom6197]

Where are my six hours of Grant? 🥺

[@daemonbane1]

I ended up cheesing Haven with Nukes - building mostly defense, spending basically all gas on Academies and getting the infinite nuke range upgrade, then using bunkers\swarm to get vision on the nexuses. Kinda glad I did cos breaking those bases legit looks rough.

[@ShotgunFiend]

guy with gun saves the day again i did the vs. zerg version of this mission and yes, i 100% relied on slow creeping with earthsplitter ordiance like you theorized you'd might need to for this mission haha

[@jessesummer-lavigne269]

I can watch the whole Vod before work. Thanks Grant!

[@abaddonarts1129]

Oh man, is this actually a Selendis Co-op AI? That'd be insane but I don't know the co-op abilities to tell if it's a 1-to-1 or not :(

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

Seems like a fusion of Vorazoon and Artanis, with the Guardian shell and the shield recharging cloak blink. Edit: and karax. Now just waiting for a heroic arbiter to pop up for Fenix.

[@emilchan5379]

Nah Selendis isn't a Coop commander. The Protoss units here seems to be the Aiur and Nerazim versions from Legacy of the Void. So you have Spinlots, shield recharge Stalkers, and respawning Dark Templar (Avengers). The Phoenix, Immortal and Void Ray should the LotV versions too. Colossus appear to be regular versions because they are a Purifier unit in LotV.

[@hiddenTNT]

monolith, a presumably easy mission after a hard one sounds about right

[@SuperSnowshark]

See, it wasn't so bad. Grant and Mengsk are a team that can defeat anything!

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

Yeah, i can see why thats the hardest. The giant multi prongs are enough to make it hard, but with guardian shell you really can't leave it alone, things just live too long, so it's just insane. Still, extremely well played by grant, and cleared in under 40 minutes.

[@ebilgaming]

Greatest 6 hours of my life. Oh wait it was only 40 minutes... Best 6 hours of my life still.

[@MagrisHal]

Good job on doing that in under an hour. I was so ready for several hours of background content though!

[@BesfrenOnlinegamerz]

Me: *seeing a 40 min video smiles and happy* After watching the video Me: *seeing it's only 1 mission slowly returns to the corner and sulk*

[@caos1925]

the protoss be like 'see the zerg are here!' every time you summon them.

[@mythlover137]

Monlyth, the protoss research is so strong for your economy

[@ForgetName675]

So... Grant not noticed the new button on CC. Sad. No Archangel in Heaven But 40 min? Great job Grant!

[@janejvmmsvictoria5857]

Come on Grant, we were promised six hours of content! Jokes aside, excellently done Grant

[@MrStanDoesStuff]

Allright grant, we had a deal. there for i watched the 1st attmpt, and than skipped to the end to see you beat it. than i just played the full video in a muted tab. hope it helps, well played!

[@mrjamirox]

This mission gets trivialized by 1 ghost and 9 ghost academies. Otherwise, is a complete drag to complete.

[@mystfawn8774]

Right for Might, Left for Death. Also, Boo Grant, Boo! You promised a 6 hour video and u beat it in barely 40 minutes! xD Well done

[@Warclam]

I was all geared up for a crazy-long video, and then this happens? Good thing we had the Brood War speedrun. I don't know the co-op factions well. It just occurred to me that the supply bunkers are basically orc burrows. The Dominion is the Horde confirmed? I guess that would make Mengsk Gul'Dan, which kinda checks out.

[@ramos8437]

I personally think that best hero os at the end of Tosh storyline. Also secret mission is chef's kiss.

[@brandonmitman3275]

Well, I watched the whole vod. But where was my 6 hours I was threatened with!?!? Good job on clearing it so quickly! Lets go Left on Research, and Belshir for planet. I want to see what we get with that planet!!

[@RonnocFroop]

As promised, I've watched the entire VOD. And here I thought it was going to be a couple-day investment.

[@Nekoyashiki-san]

When you are late you are left with no right to choose. x) Thanks for the Dominion. ^^

[@SamKBlang]

27:57 Im so dead here... Yes indeed

[@davidpoveda7550]

The command center looks like had a new upgrade but grant didn’t realized

[@Granas1988]

Just 40 Minutes? buhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I was getting chips ready for a 2 hour vod

[@Onebadterran]

Bel Shir should be interesting. Now that you have Vikings I imagine it should go swimmingly

[@gushlergushler]

Dead Man's Port! I am excited to see the Imperial Units like the Thor in the future!

[@jst1606]

oh no time to honor my pledge to watch the whole thing. Idk if I can take a whole 40 min to do it!

[@GGG_gaming]

again as promised i came back a week later to watch the vod again for your views

[@inductivegrunt94]

40 minutes on the dot for Safe Haven. And he's had to deal with Co-Op abilities like Guardian Shell and Repairiers. Yup, Grant is just that good.

[@Ricardo_Rick]

Grant did very well, that mission is just too hard, i honestly think it's impossible to win without snipping the nexus with the zerg distraction, at least when you don't have nukes, i can't wait to see the Bailus, also it's good that you unlock the hero units at the last mission of the timeline instead of after it. About the lab research, i think you should go left, it's clearly the strongest of the 2 :) Go Monolyth, i mean, it's the marauder, besides i think that cleaning that map with the Bailus would be great

[@izanagi3521]

It can be possible by just luring the air units out of the base and into the dead zone. Don't need to fight everything at the base. Then it's a lot easier to snipe nexus without using the zerg

[@Ricardo_Rick]

@@izanagi3521 well, yeah but there are a lot of air, and not only are they strong but the base is always rebuilding tho, so i'm not sure how effective that would be tho

[@EmperorNefarious1]

Watched the whole thing again at .75, extra watch time to make up for the suffering the others put you through.

[@WholeCarrots_]

Well maybe if you keep salvaging your supply bunkers, you WILL never not be supply blocked XD

[@tsukasadt]

Always nice to watch a difficult mission. GiantGrantGames' thought process seems similar to mine, just with fewer expletives. Was hoping for a longer video, though. This seemed like nothing to some of the train challenges. ;) GiantGrantGames: Gas is the most important part of the gas game. Viking Pilot: Are you sure? Honestly, I first watched it while I was working, so I was distracted. So, I went back and rewatched it. :D Can't post without asking: how many Games could a Giant Grant game if a Giant Grant could game Games?

[@Dan-sb7wg]

25:48 Master Skyfury there are to few of them, what are we going to do?

[@aitordominguezcomin9147]

didnt expect this mission to be only 40min. Well played Grant!

[@ghost_curse]

38:30 Me irl Guardian shell is Starcraft's version of the focus sash Left seems more powerful than right, Bel'Shir next because Goliaths are cool

[@Lindwurm_Nx]

Left and get those emperors shadows going, off to bel´shir!

[@paintswithlead7517]

Surprised yet glad this wasn’t 2 hours yet I want more vids.

[@MyNamesJeff493]

Well played Grant! I thing right is the right option, and I want to see Bel'Shir (but more so the spec-ops unit/s and whatever Baleus type unit we get at the end of that questline)

[@VoidTemplar]

As you wanted, i watched your entire vid.

[@rapteroker7845]

Wow, that was a heck of a mission. Nice!

[@kipix4246]

40 mins WOOOOOOOO. Monolyth next? Though... Troopers should tank for our sky furies, no? You float so many minerals...

[@BoogaCentral]

I say we go left in two ways, in research, and by going to Bel'Shir!

[@thebenqisme]

Take the right one and we should learn some bold move from mr raynor.. So.. Balshir please

[@Thyranel]

What a nail bitter but super awesome. Congrats on the win!!!!

[@ACEYGAMES]

Honestly that mission did feel like a massive spike in difficulty, like it could have been a several hour long journey but you cut alot of that off with your careful saving and overall stratigizing. Left and leftmost planet, Belshir. After this mission, I wana see the Balias stomp some protoss into the dust. You deserve retribution against the protoss after this.

[@khiengsrunlim]

I recommend getting Earth Splitter Ordinance (or whatever the name is) and nuke before going to In Utter Darkness.