The headset wars: Why it's Apple's to lose

Two tech titans are now duking it out in the headset wars. Apple's Vision Pro and Meta's Quests offer different price points, different specs, and most importantly, different visions of the future of virtual reality. And both have big hurdles to clear. This week on TechCheck, why the headset battle is Apple's to lose.
Chapters:
0:00 - Who will win the headset wars?
0:42 - The case for Apple
5:35 - The case for Meta
7:56 - The case for both… or neither
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[@Ryan256]

I wish “Tech Check” had its own KZbin channel so I could subscribe without getting all the other CNBC content flooding my feed.

[@powerhouse884]

Funny, I am subscribed and I don’t have anything from them flooding my feed. Maybe you need to subscribe to more channels to have a varied feed.

[@Woozy.0]

Same

[@budgetarms]

Yeah, they are really good

[@RandyRant72]

Turn the background music up a little louder I can still hear you

[@rajeshranjan3199]

I don't believe you.

[@young1151]

Why is background music needed for a news?

[@fhowland]

The background music was super annoying

[@yvan2563]

It's way too loud.

[@synthmaker]

KZbin should separate background sound from foreground with two corresponding mute buttons and volume controls.

[@cubertmiso]

would be nice if people uploading videos would be forced to put background sound to an other audio channel. and youtube to give always off option. ia is pretty neat but cant separate 2 mushed audio streams so easily.

[@JimmyHuynhdesign]

"Meta Quest already does that"....its not all about features. User experience and execution makes all the difference.

[@weho_brian]

yep apple is never first to market. they let their competitors figure out the painful stages of early product launch.

[@realharo]

What is going to be the Apple headsets' user experience without even having KZbin or any fitness/rhythm/golf/etc. games? What is there to *do* after the first hour of checking out some demos?

[@Aggie4life77]

@@realharoKZbin? You do know the headset works with all iPhones and iPad apps right? Also, did you completely miss the fact that developers are working on apps? What you can do at the moment is watch media, attend events via headset, play game(regular games), use as a desktop setup for your Mac/MacBook, view 3D photos/ movies, purchase things online and be able to see it virtually like furniture, a car,etc. You could look at a car in your driveway! Also think about the enterprise market! VR games are coming, but there is a reason Apple don’t want to just push this as a gaming machine. That doesn’t sell units! Last but not least, Quest 3 just don’t have the power to compete with this device. It like your trying to justify that a Super Nintendo is just as good as a PS5 because they both play games on your TV. Think about that for a minute!

[@Allenz2205]

@@weho_brian Thats just not true lol. For example, Apple is the main reason why the smartwatch and wireless headphones market have grown so much, when the Apple Watch and Airpods first came out, they were absolutely hated. And theres the iPhone and iPad.

[@realharo]

@@Aggie4life77 But what are you gonna do with iPhone apps? Like it's kinda convenient that you don't have to take the headset off to check something on the phone, but the main experience is gonna be worse than just using the phone in the first place. Similarly, the resolution and the comfort is still not good enough for a proper screen replacement, except for short amounts of time. Most of the things you can do on it are just an inferior experience compared to doing them the normal way without the headset.

[@michaelrfx7]

Stop the background music!!!

[@DREWDOWN3]

You can hate Apple, but VR lovers should pray this is a success. Quite honestly, if Apple fails, the entire VR industry will too. Meta really needs a player like Apple to jumpstart this industry.

[@Mr_Kenneth]

100% RIGHT

[@alwaysyouramanda]

THIS they’re not actually competing while Apple is charging nearly $4k compared to the $250 to $500. Apple just gets to show the world what’s possible (through commentary coming from the filthy rich.)

[@DerekDavis213]

The entire VR industry has been selling products, and refining the software and experience for 10 years. Vision Pro is not some 'linchpin' to the future of VR, as you think it is. Apple Watch is ignored by billions of people worldwide, and the Mac Pro computers have done p00rly over the last decade. Apple does not always achieve success, despite their very slick marketing efforts.

[@RIVvideos]

Its gonna be hard at $3k, its expensive for US standarts, imagine for world wide

[@eon5323]

Jump-start...? Mate Vision Pro is just a bulletpoint in the VR time that started with the Rift 10 years ago. Quest 2 has sold millions. How tf you gonna jump-start over that at $3.5k ????

[@rmzzz76]

The big thing not pointed out is that Apple just sold 180,000+ units on preorder with a profit margin over manufacturing cost of about 133% per unit based on analyst claims on their build cost... They just made over $300-$360 million net on preorders. Of course their advertising cost and R&D cost to recoup, but consider that Meta has NEVER had a single profitable year for Reality Labs, the division of the company responsible for Meta headsets. They acquired Oculus 10 years ago, not a single net profitable year and in fact over $40 billion in debt. Meta has admitted their pricing on hardware is "near break-even", following the game console strategy of profits on software royalties over hardware. Everything Meta has created in the past 10 years not supported by a functional business model for VR/XR tech but instead funded entirely off social media earnings.

[@bobcat1856]

It's unfair to ignore R&D cost for apple but not for Meta. You have to do an apple to apple comparision.

[@aztronomy7457]

Does “preorder” count as a sale now?

[@jonanddy]

@@aztronomy7457 it’s a potential sale, so it’s a good indicator of what we should expect. the news reporter is doing the same by inferring why apple would lose

[@joeysipos]

Yet Meta made 32 Billion in revenue in just the 4th quarter of 2023 - so having spent a couple billion on Meta Reality Labs is a penny in the bucket of the overall company.... A smart investment if you want to have a chance competing with Apple.

[@BusterDarcy]

This. Other companies try, Apple succeeds.

[@Smojero]

Meta wouldn't even have a chance if they priced like Apple... In fact Apples VP could possibly boost meta's quest by making it a popular budget option

[@mac2phoot]

LOOK LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.....YOU GO GET THAT APPLE AND I HAVE THE QUEST 3.......SEE THERES MANY THINGS THAT META WOULD BLOW APPLE OUTTA THE WATER ON......BUT THESE ARE ANCHORS THAT DONT HAVE TECH LIVES LIKE THE ONES WHO LIVE IT OK.......APPLE IS NO COMPARSION TO META TO WHAT IT DOES......SO PLEASE CAN THAT APPLE WOULD EVEN ATTEMP TO GET IN THE RING IN A PEGUIN SUIT ON WITH A LION WITH A BASEBALL BAT.......NOW I CAN SAY THE RESOLUTION IS YET TO COME......BUT HEY APPLE LOVERS I LOVE YOU JUST STEP IN THE RING......WHEN WE ARE PLAYING IN A FOOTBALL AREANA....

[@mac2phoot]

AND PLEASE CHALLENGE ME TO WHAT META CAN DO TO WHAT APPLE CAN DO AND I BET YOU WILL LOSE THAT CHALLENGE.......I PROMISE IT.......TEAM META 4 LIFE

[@cytrex1o1]

@@mac2phoot cringe

[@ChaosNLD]

@@mac2phoot wtf 😂

[@4dy4dy]

I'm 100% sure that if meta made a $3500 device no one would buy Apple, meta would be totally superior at that price. The fact that Apple sells a device at 3500 with only very small upgrades over Meta is ridiculous to me. You find devices at half the price that offer what Apple offers.

[@CorbinWilliams]

Apple isn’t always first, but it does it best. Of course developers like Netflix and KZbin aren’t going to build apps for a new platform that’s unproven. The first iPhone didn’t even have an App Store. Just like with iPod, iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch, this headset will pave the way for future headsets. Let’s be realistic, this is just the first generation. Cheaper and better versions will come as the technology evolves.

[@PSy84]

macbook has no netflix...only im website

[@Symbiotix_Gamer]

The Truth 💯

[@markjason2]

Lets be realistic, apple doesnt innovate anymore

[@notinterestedx]

@@PSy84Neither does a windows laptop etc. They are browsing machines, they don’t need apps like netflix

[@Y-zf7tf]

But but but.. why are you not hating apple? You're so uncool.

[@aztronomy7457]

Not a Facebook fan but I hated the Meta quest 2, love the quest 3. $3500 and $500 aren’t even in the same universe of product. That’s like comparing an F150 to a Ferrari SF90.

[@jameshoch41]

yep excited for high end meta headset in 2025

[@theo5675]

I hate Facebook I wish it was still oculus

[@AntTurner]

@@jameshoch41 Still won't be as good as the Vision Pro or Samsung's XR Headset.

[@DerekDavis213]

Quest 3: 9 million pixels Apple: 23 million pixels Quest 3 has very advanced electronics, not much different than Vision Pro. Compare the two, and Apple is certainly not a 'Ferrari' . LOL

[@jameshoch41]

@@DerekDavis213 he was referring to the 7x price difference silly

[@supersingular]

The way she described Apple Vision is like she didn’t understand it. The point is to augment reality, and for that you need to be able to represent reality digitally. When you wear both headsets which ever represents and integrates reality the better will win.

[@eggnogaddict6287]

To “augment” reality…. The propaganda runs deep.

[@DerekDavis213]

Price is a very large part of who 'will win'. Vision Pro is over 4000 USD, while the excellent Quest 3 is just 500 USD. Vision Pro doesn't have a chance.

[@thecapone45]

@@DerekDavis213it literally already sold out in the weekend it released.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@thecapone45 The first small batch sold out to developers and people hypn0tized by the Apple marketing machine. Let's see how many $4k USD headsets they can sell in 6 months or 1 year?

[@DerekDavis213]

@@thecapone45 The first small batch sold out to developers and people excited by the Apple marketing machine. Let's see how many 4OOO d0llar headsets they can sell in 6 months or 1 year?

[@televerket]

Sorry guys, the background music loop is almost preventing me from watching the clip. Im 3:30 in. Maybe something to concider for future videos?

[@portcybertryx222]

Apple and Meta aren’t competing for the same space. Apple is focusing on spatial computing meaning they literally want to take your iPhone and chuck it in front of your eyes while also focusing more on productivity and AR applications with a better user interface. Meta and Facebook is more focused on entertainment and VR applications. It’s like they want to be an app on your iPhone for fun. They are in very separate leagues and the Vision Pro has insane levels of compute power and fidelity compared to the Quest pro

[@74Spyderman]

Are they really competitors though? There’s always overlap but these seem to be aimed at two different markets. Now in 5 years…

[@AntTurner]

Meta has had a 5-year headstart and is already being dominated by a $3500 headset (160,000 sold in 2 days). Samsung is coming this year and will knock Meta even further back. Meta has never been good at hardware, "Facebook Phone" 😵‍💫. They have just been the lone major company making headsets. The big boys are coming to take over, and I predict Meta will drop making headsets and focus on 3D social media in the next 5 years.

[@BB-mt5no]

@@AntTurner Dominated how? The Vision can't do as much as the Quest 3 can. You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Meta could make a pricier version of their headset, but they are aware that the way to get more people using VR headsets is to make them reasonably priced. The Quest headsets are the best selling by far. Apple won't sell half as many.

[@Funktastico]

@@AntTurner 160k .. "dominated" lol .... there are over 20 MILLIONS oculus headsets sold ... let's see the 160k/2days down to how many units/day after 2 weeks.

[@AntTurner]

@@BB-mt5no Meta can't do crap, they put everything they had into that Quest Pro and they had to reduce the price by $500 in TWO MONTHS because of the abysmal sales!! You really are lost if you think the Quest is even in the same league as the Vision Pro. (Best Selling) Numbers mean nothing when you are Breakeven or losing money on every headset and there is ZERO competition during those years. The day the Vision Pro goes on sale Apple will have made more money on their headset than Meta has ever made on any Quest headset since they have broke even on all or loss money on the others like Quest Pro lmao. Stop it brother.

[@AntTurner]

@@Funktastico The Quest 3 sold 69,000 headsets the first month it came out...😆 you sound ridiculous right now. Might I add they are losing money on each headset sold 🤣😂 so yes DOMINATED. The Quest 2 is the one that sold 18 million units over 3 years which are nice numbers but is not used by 90% of users after just 1 month of ownership 😂 Terrible retention.

[@TheMapaSoft]

It reminds me of Steve Blamer slam Apple having the most expensive phone on the market

[@karimgreen8732]

I love the irony of Netflix and Google advising Apple that consumers can use their website/webapp. Just like Apple had (until recently) told Microsoft, Nvidia, etc. the same thing about their gaming apps.

[@TerryJGeo]

I'm not a fan of Apple but I do think this will help VR move forward. I have the Quest 3 after owning the Quest 2 and as soon as you step into the VR world, you see what all the hype is about. I do believe this - or at least AR - will be our future. We already have the Raybans and the more invested people are, the better, cheaper and lighter the tech will be.

[@JhonasVe]

I'm with you, I'm not a Apple fan or hater but I know that they can push I little bit the VR/AR niche, I have the Quest 2 and I love it.

[@NeerajKumar-ld8ht]

Weight and form factors will come down. It will be like wearing a swimming google on the eye but only if we will be able to fit all existing technologies present in Apple Vision Pro into that small space. Otherwise both two- google like wearables and AR-VR headsets will remain distinct and for distinct use cases; Like we do with basic phones (keypad dialling phone) and smartphones.

[@kylecurtis5239]

A lot of great points on both sides of the debate, but I’d like to finally address the elephant in the room… Is the whiteboard really necessary?

[@gavinlew8273]

Both Apple and Meta headsets will appeal to different crowds. It's a win-win and not a zero-sum game.

[@bujin5455]

8:41. You mean the first "cell phone" NOT the first "smart phone". The first smart phones were the Palm Phone and the Windows Phone and the Black Berry, none of those weighed anything close to a single pound, they fit in your pocket, and they were well under a grand.

[@Mouse_007]

yeah, that was a sloppy blunder.

[@AntTurner]

You're also incorrect, the first smartphone was released in 1994 by IBM

[@bujin5455]

@@AntTurner Well at least I'm in the right decade of the truth.

[@laurenslee9134]

​@@AntTurneri remember my dad having a brick of a smartphone with a touch screen interface that would would but you had to be very precise and if sunlight was on the display you could not see anything I wish I could recall the model that he had. His job being a Judge, wanted him to have it

[@AtulPal]

Hi CNBC Television, I have one query : Apple Vision Pro will be helpful for more sight for those people suffering from Retinitis Pigmentosa(No Cure in the world)?

[@Kitora_Su]

The future of virtual reality and interfaces in general will always be neural interface/brain machine interface/brain computer interface(with all sensory perception), there’s no way around this. Hence, the future of these current headsets is very small and will only be adopted by a small population (in terms of interest and regular use). Neural Interfaces will be adopted in 2030s as Ray Kurzweil says & especially due to the advancement in AI that whole brain machine interfaces will be possible by then

[@jaredspencer3304]

An important difference is that the Vision Pro isn’t for gaming, whereas the Quest is. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised that they can’t play popular VR games on the Vision Pro.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Nobody is buying this thing to play games. That's been heavily emphasized on apples marketing campaign. There are games but, hand tracked games will only go so far without additional means of control.

[@aleksei5195]

@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 You know, some people are REALLY REALLY stupid... There'll probably like, "So where's Beat Saber thing on this?" 100%

[@Junispro31]

But people are also pointing out that you can do browser stuff on the Quest 3 too. There's even dedicated KZbin VR and Netflix Apps for those devices because they've been around longer. Not to mention the significantly larger app base

[@legacyjeetkunedo492]

Apple users won't be surprised. We use the PS5 for gaming, and Apple devices for computing.

[@Eric-ix3rx]

I was never excited for the meta headsets, I don’t even recall when it was launched. But the apple vision pro will remain in everyones mind, apple does things differently

[@Junispro31]

Lol, but the 3.5k US price tag is almost equivalent to a standard person's monthly salary in a 1st World country. Really hard to see it ever not become niche

[@Eric-ix3rx]

@@Junispro31 an iphone 15 pro max costs $1,500 all what it does is calls and internet, you can get a techno phone which does the same for $100, but can you count how many people who bought an iphone 15 this year? The reason why vision pro wont get into everyones hands is not because of its price, but the use. It is for professionals (designers, software developers, etc…)

[@itsjustacomment454]

Apple has rolled out tech that's flopped too. They aren't infallible.

[@tecialist]

Everybody is saying generic comments like “When the first [whatever successful Apple product] first came out, it lacked…” This is a standard logical fallacy. You have to see a product for what it is now. By that logic then ANY new Apple product is almost bound for success.

[@americanfreedomandworldpea6912]

What people don't realize is Meta VR (formerly Oculus VR) was already around for almost a decade (first PC, then mobile VR), so there is a big library of apps and development community. Apple is a hype machine, so their brand power might help jumpstart AR/VR to become more mainstream. But with that $3500 pricetag, that's NEVER going to be mainstream.

[@acslater017]

1) Meta Quest also has something like a 10% retention rate, meaning 9 out of 10 people didn’t find it compelling and put it up on the shelf at some point, myself included. 2) I don’t think it’s wise to judge a first generation Apple product on its high price tag. The price always comes down.

[@americanfreedomandworldpea6912]

@@acslater017 before it was the Meta Quest VR, it was the Oculus VR. The Oculus Rift for Windows PC was one of the best VR experiences. The PC based VR headsets are way more immersive and real, the Meta Quest is a mobile and affordable VR experience. Just look in KZbin people playing VR on the Oculus Rift. I think most people have not tried the Oculus Rift and only the mobile VR experience which is why it was a bad experience. The Apple Vision Pro is a whopping $3500, so it's not like people will be able to afford it. That is more expensive than a entry level gaming PC and VR headset. The Oculus Rift is connected to a high end computer and uses the high end graphics card of the computer, giving it a much more immersive experience with high end graphics, much more powerful than Apple Vision Pro. Plus, there is a ton of VR games and apps available on Steam or Oculus, and plenty of 3rd party games and experiences.

[@americanfreedomandworldpea6912]

@@acslater017 most people HAVEN'T tried the PC based VR (Oculus Rift) and only tried the mobile VR headsets (Oculus Go or Oculus/Meta Quest) which the graphics is way weaker and basic. The PC based VR is hands down the best VR experience currently, especially if your desktop PC has very high end graphics card and hardware. I'm guessing you haven't tried it yet. The "novelty" effect does not go away with PC based VR, but it does go away with mobile VR. The mobile VR is affordable and cheap plus it's standalone (no PC needed), so anybody can afford it but the only problem is the weaker graphics.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

​@acslater017 man I hate that dumb "retention rate" metric... that's still millions of people every month using quest... not "like 15 people or something"... quest 2 was easy to put down, quest 3 is a far better product in every way. Both devices will continue to improve

[@georganatoly6646]

never owned an apple product but I am really rooting for their ar/vr headset, been waiting for years for an ar/vr product that finally reaches that critical level of general consumer market saturation, hopefully over the next decade or so apple can make their ar/vr platforms an increasingly integral part of their ecosystem so that general consumers can have a realistic ar/vr productivity/entertainment alternative to their phones and personal computers, the future of computing is in ar/vr it's just a matter of what specific form factor and UX finally breaks out into the mass market

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

It will be years before apples device takes shape properly. I'm rooting for Meta as they've been invested in this area of tech for over a decade now and have had consumer feedback and developer support for all that time. Apple, however, is only just starting, after being extremely secretive and tight-lipped about it.

[@lawrencefearon6830]

Awesome TechCheck Deidra! But Apple's real target is Microsoft's $3500 Halolens2 which is utilized for combat use. You see where this is going. Fighter pilots will be flying drones controlled by Apple's Vison Pro.

[@danielcalvert5260]

Why does the announcer have a pen and white board?

[@SimonTmte]

These headsets share the same background and future such as folding phones, first in that they exist not to serve a need but simply because there's tons of employees, tons of capital, they need to make up something to keep things going, superficially you can make a product seem like a good idea, one can make a claim that VR can replace the screen of laptop to something that's vastly superior but you'd be ignoring all the downsides particularly on a human level, one of the most important things in use of technology for people is convenience

[@yvan2563]

Waiting for the Valve Deckard.

[@roboteen]

This is the way

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

The most overhyped VR device ever, and it doesn't even exist. They had zero issues launching a steam deck and steam deck oled, wtf are they waiting for exactly? Both companies to fail, so they can keep the price at valve index levels of stupid?

[@nuyou21]

It's safe to say you could hear Meta gulp when Apple's Vision Pro sold out in minutes. Face it, when has price ever been an issue to Apple users, especially when the experience is next level 💯😁

[@angelesparza4759]

This was a very well made segment. It clearly stated the pros, cons as well as putting the this new technology branch into context.

[@johndoolan9732]

Let me try a visualisation and let you see as I do can you adapt this to portray through communication skills verbally or written

[@jazilzaim]

Also one thing is that Apple has a dispute with their developers going on right now. This similar level of dispute cost Microsoft the smartphone market with the Windows Phone. So Apple is sort of at a standstill at the moment in regards to seeing if Vision Pro is a success or not

[@andrewhooper7603]

Could be a good thing, if it leaves the market open for smaller devs to beat the dinosaurs.

[@astronotics531]

what kind of dispute?

[@jazilzaim]

@@astronotics531 it's in regards to the 30% cut on the App Store

[@cesramm1120]

Just use safari to use those apps they never failed they sold out your misinformed

[@astaloaf2113]

​@@astronotics531 To support the native app for 1st gen product

[@nami-swan7394]

They aren´t duking it out. Meta is going for the maximum number of people with a headset for lowest price possible, but as is customary with Zuck, you become a product to (ads). Apple is going for the standard Warren "mote". A more refined but fancy product (they both do the same essentially), allowing them to extremely overcharge early adopters ( eventually dropping prices a bit). Even more important for Apple, with this new headset added to the ecosystem, is getting people to use more and more of there services section, with even more overcharging to developers and consumers, getting plenty of margin to offset the lower volume of sales.

[@AnotherBrownKid]

Whats with the title?? No where in the video did you say apple will lose the war!!!

[@uditkhanna09]

Clickbait title. Nobody wants to see a video of a lion beating a dog in a fight, but reverse that and you’ll have a million views day one.

[@LungYang]

So not commenting on the Meta Quest store commission fee? Or how to justify the Quest Pro price and it’s early demise?

[@bow-bots1116]

Hello, I am currently creating my first VR game, and I'd like to share my perspective on the current state of VR. The two headsets cater to distinct markets, each with its own potential for success. A suitable analogy would be comparing an Xbox to a high-end work computer-they serve different purposes. As of now, Meta Quest primarily emphasizes gaming, while Apple seems to focus on professional applications. There are common features, such as the ability to watch movies on a large VR screen, but their primary objectives are very different.

[@joeysipos]

Question is how big is the market for productivity apps compared to games. Are people willing to put on a VR headset to replace their laptop? Or would they rather put on a headset for highly immersive AR/VR games?

[@DerekDavis213]

"Apple seems to focus on professional applications" What can the Apple headset do that I cannot do with a big beautiful 4k monitor on my desk, and premium mouse and keyboard? And Sennheiser headphones.

[@user-lj4xq4hm3k]

What could the iPhone with a touchscreen do that you couldn't do with the keyboard and scroll ball thing on a Blackberry?

[@DerekDavis213]

@@user-lj4xq4hm3k Not a good example. Blackberry was primitive compared to iPhone. My PC is running Windows Professional with ultra-fast CPU, ultra-fast GPU, and gorgeous 4k monitor. Premium keyboard and mouse lets me control the PC with ease and precision, much better than a headset that 'tracks' my eyeball. Vision Pro is running an ARM chip that comes from a cell phone. My PC is running a 24-core AMD Ryzen that is a monster, compared to Apple Silicon.

[@ThomasSselate]

@@DerekDavis213You are talking about specs. We don’t care about specs. What’s important is what you can do. His example is perfect

[@gariantroll2975]

Quest 3 is awesome for its price point. The Vision Pro seems to be great for its eco system.

[@Rikimkigsck]

They both are too heavy right now but these headsets will replace smartphones in 10-15y. There is just no way smartphones can compete against these products once they become comfortable and AI softwares develop further

[@user-cw2py6wh8l]

$400 vs $3,500. It's a no brainer.

[@adrianfox7972]

People keep mentioning that the Vision Pro feels a bit isolating, they could have bought enough meta quest 3's for the whole family and stil have money left over for lots of cool games. They also would share all the games with one family account. Only down side is needing the space in your house for the multiple users at one time.

[@enzmondo]

Meta focuses on content consumption while Vision Pro focused on content production, two wildly different use cases

[@unexpectedly1468]

Very good video, thanks. I think apple's strategy is to get wealthy people to buy these and so it becomes an aspirational product for the rest of us. Hence they're priced so high. The problem, maybe, with that is that these will be an at-home use item, unlike the iphone, which is a very visible, "social" product. So people won't know you have one of these unless you tell them. So they might not be so successful down the line. A bit like how people are kinda non plussed about the ipad pro. It does ok but most people will opt for a cheaper product. Not so the iphone, which has more status-symbol value.

[@unexpectedly1468]

@@Philokally Thank you, I did not know that. Cheers

[@Cowboy_moonman396]

I have a concern, I have a meta quest 2 and use it for 3d Design using gravity sketch. I love it! But I’ve been feeling like the blue light from the screens are messing up my ability to fall asleep at night. Plus the eye strain is concerning, I have been trying the 20/20/20 rule but I still feel a bit of eye strain. But that’s my concern, when I use it I end up tossing and turning for 2 hrs a night! I hope this is addressed or a lot of people will be burned in their first vr experience.

[@Junispro31]

That's because you are prone to VR fatigue. You see, when your eyes are viewing real objects in real life, different depths have different focal lengths, but in vr, all objects regardless of depth are presented on the same focal plane and hence it can mess with the coordination between your eye and your brain

[@ayayronbalakey7789]

I think Apple will be the ones leading this market. 1. It's Apple, they have an eco-system of smart and connected devices. Imagine connecting your phone, Macbook and HomePod (optional) to your goggles and doing virtually anything. 2. The Metaverse concept existed in movies and we've gotten to experience that "idea" thoroughly and this is where Apple slides in and introduces "Spatial Computing", instead of building everything you need inside a virtual world, bring the virtual things to the real world. And I think Apple's strategy for immersion will be more helpful and productive (a bit scary too) while Meta's strategy is for fun and all... in my opinion.

[@mrapollo_17]

Nobody is talking about how heavy the Apple headset is not to mention the battery teather that lasts maybe 2hours. Also you need an iPhone to get this headset or access to one. I want competition but these 2 products couldn't be farther apart. While yes, someone might buy the Apple headset as a replacement for a computer nobody is going to buy a $3,500 headset for their family members or even $1000, especially for kids.

[@agme8045]

If the Vision Pro was 1k I’m sure they would have already sold millions. Everyone would get one. As you said, this device serves as a replacement for a computer, and this would be one heck of a computer for only 1k. That’s a great deal imo. I can already imagine families buying one of these for each person in the household (once they get a bit cheaper). People already buy $2.000+ MacBooks, what’s stopping them from getting a more ‘affordable’ Vision Pro?

[@mrapollo_17]

@@agme8045 I wasn't talking about a vision pro for $1000 they aren't getting a device with that capability down to that low of a price for many years. People aren't going to buy into a brand new technology at $1000. And say what you want I don't know a single parent willing to spend $1000 on a device for a child. A teenager MAYBE. Most people in America don't even get a MacBook until college. The Valve Index considered to be THE headset to get for PC vr is still considered too expensive at $1000. There is a reason the Quest sells well and it's not power or design it's price.

[@andrewhooper7603]

Nobody is talking about one of the things every write-up has pointed out.

[@natchan1150]

They've been talking about it quite a lot but you've probably ignored that part.

[@DaveDFX]

If you drop it poof. U can’t repair it

[@muhammadawais472]

The most important line you missed, they both are working on different stuff, META is working on VR and Apple is seeing the future in AR, totally different things. You just said VR. Obviously its a headset war but with two different approaches.

[@darryljoyner]

AVP is mixed reality. AR & VR.

[@jc2kusa]

It's crazy how two tech giants saw Ready Player One and stated, oh yeah, I want that!

[@pulsatingsausageboy2076]

They’ll both be fine. They’re both gonna appeal to different people and it’s early in the game so the market isn’t flooded with competition. It will be exciting to see how they evolve over time.

[@SuperMachead1]

They will both survive…but not thrive….I own many apple devices…but I’ll stick with my $400 vr headset ….apple will probably never go that low….so I’ll be with Meta for the next couple generations….

[@aboucard93]

People are making a lot of assumptions about Apple Vision Pro but it hasn't released yet.

[@joaoroman9583]

It doesn’t even allow one to use glasses while wearing them

[@thecliff4838]

The KZbinrs featured have used it.

[@drjaaj1594]

Future belongs to eye wear like smart full computer AR VR eyeglasses or lenses. Any company invest on this path they going to be hugely successful.

[@icroosing]

Vision Pro is just on another level on everything, price, immersion, tech, productivity, smoothness of the hardware and software and the most important thing: the ecosystem, the walled garden make a big difference. The price is a big obstacle for most people tho

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

How great would it be for all these helmets to fail?

[@jayfloramusic]

I don't think I'll ever buy an eyeset like this.

[@moow950]

It’s clear this first generation version of the Apple Vision Pro is just like the iPhone 2G was (it will be a prized collectible in the future). And see how far it has come with the iPhone 15 Pro. Future versions of the Vision will be light weight (maybe even in eye projection) so that you don’t notice, very powerful, monitoring body vitals (like blood pressure, brain activity) and have a long battery life (maybe recharging using solar or body warmth/movement technology).

[@Headphone_Guy]

basically lizard dude vs the money man

[@slotsmaster8877]

Yeah, quest made me dizzy, I think Vision Pro fixed that, that can change everything

[@mannyk1986]

Does it fix the vision issue? Will my vision won't degrade from constant usage of headsets? If there's a mass adoption of these devices, we'll see a large population of younger generations developing vision issues.

[@maxieroo629]

@@mannyk1986 So, headsets have lenses in them that change the focal point of your vision to be further away. Your eyes might get tired from looking at that focal distance for a while, but also realize that the bigger issue would be you forgetting to blink and your eyes becoming dry because of that. Keep in mind that spending time outdoors is a bigger determining factor for kids/young adults needing glasses than amount of screen time (phone/laptop), and headsets have you focus further than a normal screen distance away!!

[@vision1707]

too much eyestrains - not for me. @@mannyk1986

[@BoltRM]

​@@npc-drewPoppycock!

[@tingoyeh4903]

@@mannyk1986 As a VR user, I don't know the damage that VR might cause to kids' eyes, but don't forget that it will definitely impact kids' consciousness of the real world. This is something that can't be cured by some eye surgery.

[@mfajardox]

Not sure that Netflix would be a deal breaker given so many good shows and movies are already available on Apple TV+ and iTunes.

[@cloudboysmusic5223]

people still uses iTunes? lmao

[@rendermanpro]

Might a concept of virtual full scale video calls and meetings is not that bad, but not with a brick on the head, with low battery life etc. But that all you CAN do on your laptop without suffering much, the same video calls. Regarding Apple's you can buy buy a Quest or ANY other VR headset AND buy a projector AND still have a lot of "change" money.... You can buy 2 (or even 3) very good modern projectors at that price. Whatever how cool it that, $3500+ is way more that average person could afford for just a "game".

[@JoshRafG]

dont listen to people that dont actually use the metaverse. I use meta headseats almost EVERYDAY, and not for gaming. But for work. Normal work, like editing, excell, and anything normal that you do in a normal computer. I can adjust how many monitors i want to work with, their sizes and also their positions. It has been a life changing for me and i dont see it stops evolving even better since more and more investors investing in the metaverse ecosystem

[@gunnshell]

Damn that reporter moves around in that chair way too much. It almost looked liked she was making wheelies.

[@mindaza0]

Probably she is hot

[@thecliff4838]

Maybe she had gas.

[@FougaFrancois]

With all due respect, the real leader today is the steam side, with its game eco system.

[@raygrenade1697]

steam link will be available day 1 on apple vision, 4k gaming on a 1 inch micro oled screen will be insane !!

[@Seshua87]

The headset wars: Why it is Apple is to lose My brain: WTF

[@narz7573]

I think someone forgot to end the looping background soune

[@cedric148]

Meta is updating the quest 3 to do basically a lot of what the vision pro can do and they already have most of the market share, I understand they’re not the same use case, but you cant help but wonder “what is the vision pro for exactly?” Why would someone spend so much money on it

[@chinito77]

Quality, that simple. Better materials, better resolution, better hardware, etc. It doesn't make it better for the average joe. The "Pro" is a term coined for people who do creative work. In other words, this model is for developers. Only a fool would buy one now given the lack of apps. It will only get better with time and become the defacto headset like the ipad is to tablets and apple watch is to smart watches.

[@DerekDavis213]

@@chinito77 Only a F00L would buy, indeed.

[@BB-mt5no]

To show other people how much money your parents have. Like kids that got the Nintendo Power Glove or the Sony robot dog. Apple seems to think people will walk around wearing an uncomfortable headset. Anyone who currently owns a VR headset knows what a joke that is.

[@creativestudio101]

Meta crap vs Vision Pro? 😂😂😂 You gotta be kidding me... Like f'ng comparing a Ford Pinto to a Lamborghini ha ha

[@DerekDavis213]

@@creativestudio101 Meta has more than 10 years experience with headsets, culminating in the excellent and affordable Quest 3. Meta is nearly a trillion d0llar company. Very capable folks work there. 35OO clams for an untested and beta Vision PR0? Who is going to make that miss take?

[@joseantoniocanorosas]

It is expensive but I choose "The Apple Way", stable, reliable and flawless.

[@aztronomy7457]

He said “flawless”

[@vincentfan]

That chair she is sitting, must be very uncomfortable.

[@Sr.Feynman]

Ikr? So obvious she's intentionally doing that.

[@thomastang2587]

Your seat is not comfortable, you keep on moving.

[@ayush-ojha]

I was searching for this comment.

[@ethanwmonster9075]

VR and AR really is more about soft ware im far more confident in meta since they've proven to be more open ended and pc like than apple which has a more closed in eco system.

[@PSy84]

lol. Apps and game developers develop more for iPhones than android. Apple also earns more than COMBINED profits of Nintendo, Xbox, PC games, and Playstation..,COMBINED! in WWDC2023, Apple released game toolkit that translate games from months into weeks to Apple devices. Since users are buying in Apple...most developers develop for Apple. In Android and Windows, more are pirating and using APK.

[@BabylonBaller]

The Quest alll dayyyy. Love My Headsets, I have 3 !

[@visualonestudio]

At one point the reporter looks like she's going to show us her legs for no reason. "Oh, and here's my legs." Back to the story.

[@Sr.Feynman]

Haha. Thought I was the only one who noticed

[@timstarockz]

Love seeing Linus on the news

[@Needglory23]

A brand new Bentley vs a 20 year old Ford Escort….

[@matt_the_man9831]

Meta have the expertise and the means to produce a headset as good as Vision Pro. The reson why they dont do it?.. The product would be too expensive for mass adoption.

[@thripnixe]

I think another reason vision pro is 3.5k is Microsoft Hololens is exactly that price. They dont want second to Microsoft

[@DaveDFX]

Apple Market is consumers . HoloLens if enterprise. But I’m sure enterprise apps will follow .

[@johndoolan9732]

Imagine the possibilities in teaching through visualisation with logical conclusion as I see but this could bring a way to engross the students

[@roboteen]

There is no war. The Apple headset is almost 5 times the price as the quest 3. And it does nothing 5 times better, it doesn’t have 5 times the apps. And most of all, no one’s going to wear ski goggles everywhere they go.

[@BoltRM]

7 times the price actually, with fewer apps & less functionality in 2024.

[@BoltRM]

It will do less but beautifully..

[@raygrenade1697]

@@BoltRM lmaoo!! XDD

[@Theprofessor1212]

Couldn’t be so wrong. Meta has no ecosystem and no one has brand loyalty like Apple and Tesla.

[@rollingmancave4547]

Nobody wants a Ski Goggle device. AR glasses are a big yes!

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

You don't get to one without the other. Meta is working on real lightweight AR glasses, but they have been using the Quest product line to build the software and experiences for when they arrive. Apple built a quality headset, but just basically put iOS on it to start with and will go from there to build up Vision OS.

[@MatthewMS.]

I bought a meta quest 3 on a whim and it’s probably the coolest thing I ever bought. I’d never consider an Apple Vision Pro.

[@GatherVerse]

She’s so wrong and only knows less than half of the reality of the metaverse. Media personalities aren’t technologists and they’re basically their limited information on commercials, press releases and stage presentations. She needs experts to assist her with this - real experts like Christopher Lafayette in Silicon Valley or so many others that have spoken at GatherVerse. She may look back at this very interview and realize how wrong her outlook was based on severely limited information. We dont blame her, how could she know?

[@wcw3836]

Meta Quest is a game console that you put your face. Apple Vision Pro is a spatial computer that you put on your face .

[@SaysSim0n]

spatial computer is just a different word for the same thing to confuse the consumer who is new to this type of hardware

[@BoltRM]

The Quest 3 is capable of the same. Apple's will have a little higher rez, but less functionality at least for 2024 & probably 2025. The Vision Pro will be outdated in 2025-2026

[@belizarius_997]

Once the price falls to around 1000 dollars Vision Pro becomes yet another Apple device. Their customers are simply used to this price point. I’m fairly sure that those heavily invested in Apple ecosystem wouldn’t mind shelling another grand for what it seems, alternative user interface. If you factor in Apple’s mighty supply chain, super polished software, fantastic end user support, absolute control over their own hardware, loyal customer base and slow depreciation, you have a recipe for success.

[@CorneliuTicu]

In regards to metaverse you forgot to mention that you will do all this while living in a box somewhere in the endless desert on Mars. Apple Vision will augment you to interact more efficient with your real world. It's like the internet when it started to augment everyone's knowledge and than chatGPT and now ChatGPT with eyes. So my bet is on the ones that engineer hard and soft on demand for each realistic task. Not emulating everything until your CPU gets on fire.

[@k.vn.k]

Umm 😟 I am not sure why journalists think Vision Pro is just another Meta Quest. I have been using the demo and it’s literally nothing like Meta. In fact it is nothing like anything that has ever came out in the market. People, you are in for a big step into new spatial computing experience and yet I sense not excitement. Have you been eating up lazy news like this and click bait articles and videos too much recently?

[@tclxy194629]

This is probably the worst take a wearable tech and AR news... some of the most superficial news reporting lol

[@anime21236]

Plus you can’t play vrc on the apple headset and it’s real heavy and you need two expensive power bricks to play for a long time because I’m pretty sure you can’t plug it into the wall.

[@BG-vj7wm]

You can plug it in.

[@troyingram716]

When you get your headset make sure you buy a case. Then, when you take them off delicately put them away safely so they don't get damaged.

[@fhowland]

Will never catch on

[@Zog_Bogbean]

Apple can’t lose. They will move it forward don’t care what anybody thinks. Also the Apple vs meta is not really a fair comparison. This isn’t meant for the masses it’s a foot in the door for the next few iterations to get it cheaper and in more hands. I mean they’ve already sold out their first wave

[@mrangles3402]

If APPLE fails, Vr will be pushed several years back. If Apple succeeds with this crazy price. We may see the start of the meta verse again

[@owenjenkinsofficial]

I thought Apple made it clear this was an early adopter product, and it’s still better than any vr/ar headset in existence so far. I believe the next generation will blindside a lot of people and compete with the meta in both price and performance far beyond what people assume they can rn.

[@Sirianphillips]

You cannot compare the Quest with Apple Vision. The only spacial computer on the market is Apple Vision

[@tiagomaqz]

People always complained Apple didn’t use the latest tech in their devices but now they did, they used the most advanced tech available in the Vision Pro and that’s why it’s so expensive. But unlike Meta, Apple products become cheaper overtime as some tech becomes cheaper, whilst Meta would have to increase in price considerably to be able to compete directly with Apple.

[@michael.j.mueller]

IMHO both headsets belong where the sun don't shine.

[@ipsb]

VR of any type or form will never go mainstream unlike smartphone. One reason being health issues such as deterioration in the eyesight, headaches, etc. They'll be just an extra/big screen for entertainment and gaming that's it period.