The Heater Shield, Part 3 effectiveness without armor

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Shadiversity

Shadiversity

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@malnoch3520
@malnoch3520 9 жыл бұрын
In Link's defense, he never gets a choice as to what shield he uses, and a crappy shield is better than no shield.
@shadiversity
@shadiversity 9 жыл бұрын
+Malnoch Very true.
@flyboymike111357
@flyboymike111357 9 жыл бұрын
And he takes a knee when he needs better coverage. Honestly I wish he would get a Norman Shield, belt quiver, proper slings, better grieves/bracers, a spangle helm under his cap, and mail as the games progressed. In Twilight Princess he had mail under his tunic and got some suits of armor but those had serious drawbacks.
@toryunaminosaki1022
@toryunaminosaki1022 8 жыл бұрын
+Mike Mac Zelda: Breath of the Wild...make the bigger shields xD
@kingv-raptor840
@kingv-raptor840 7 жыл бұрын
Don't worry guys the Kite shield is the best shield in breath of the wild. Not for its defense but b/c it is the best shield for...shield riding
@bombchus
@bombchus 6 жыл бұрын
Not only that but link Shield is more of a representation of Asians not understanding European style fighting
@AdamCHowell
@AdamCHowell 8 жыл бұрын
Link uses a Hyrulian Heater shield because those are the shields sold and found lying around in chests in Hyrule. The Hyrulian guard wear plate of course but link just uses what's available.
@chaosvolt
@chaosvolt 7 жыл бұрын
Rather belatedly, that does seem like a sensible explanation. One might also reason that, if targes and bucklers aren't in common use for travelers and other civilians, it might be the most practical design in the setting for someone to carry around all the time, at least compared to a large round shield, a kite shield, or a scutum.
@KairuHakubi
@KairuHakubi 6 жыл бұрын
oh yeah, I forgot about that. all those armored knights around. that's who's usually intended to wield what he buys or scavenges up. And in a lot of older games, he's just using a plank of wood. so there's that. Just once I want him to have a round shield that's enchanted to be thrown :>
@Berserk_Knight
@Berserk_Knight 8 жыл бұрын
Well, Link didn't have much of a choice for his starting gear. Hell, it's a miracle he even gets a heater shield! He generally starts off as a completely unarmed civilian, but then he gets a heater shield straight off the bat! "You can take this heater shield that isn't exactly ideal for unarmored combat, or you can go with no armor AND no shield." ...I'll take the shield, thanks. Also, most of Link's non-default shields were considerably larger. The Magic Shield in the original (for the NES) was pretty big, about the size of a proper kite shield. Then we have that huge Mirror Shield he gets from one of the last dungeons (Turtle Rock, I think) in "A Link to the Past (SNES)". That thing's basically a man-sized portable wall that can stop lasers. Oh, and he does get mail armor from time to time.
@KairuHakubi
@KairuHakubi 6 жыл бұрын
You also have to love the creativity of the game where he gets the shield as a wee child and can only use it to turtle-up until he grows up a bit. That's inspired. It almost looks like it's MADE for that purpose.
@Elonyx.studios
@Elonyx.studios 8 жыл бұрын
In all fairness, later iterations of Link depict him wearing chainmail underneath his green tunic (& maybe even over Gambeson ;D ) so in those cases he's technically not unarmored, except for his head. So TP & Hyrule Warriors Link are kinda using the heater shield correctly.
@th3officebeefalos456
@th3officebeefalos456 6 жыл бұрын
Skyward Sword also has Link wearing tunic on top of chain mail on top of a tunic or maybe Gambeson.
@twodogs6087
@twodogs6087 9 жыл бұрын
Shad, great video on the kite shield buddy! lol.
@Telogor
@Telogor 7 жыл бұрын
1. Why does the heater shield have the angles on the top? 2. Link usually uses his shield to defend against heavy blows. Pretty much every enemy he faces strikes slowly and heavily. In such a situation, a heater shield might be the best choice, as it absorbs the blow better and survives longer. Furthermore, in many of the games, he is wearing mail over or underneath the Hero's Tunic.
@jasoncox5263
@jasoncox5263 7 жыл бұрын
I imagine that a straight line is just easier to make than a rounded one, and when it was realized that the curve was no longer serving a purpose it fell out of fashion
@medievalswordandshield-bil5631
@medievalswordandshield-bil5631 5 жыл бұрын
This is how the corners are used. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHSanqdrrpuprrM
@williamfescemyer4739
@williamfescemyer4739 4 жыл бұрын
The curved/not straight edges allowed better angles for strikes/provides more versatility in attacks.
@CursioNeptune
@CursioNeptune 6 жыл бұрын
I think one of the reasons the heater shield got so popular these days is because of its silhouette. The silhouette of the Viking shield is just a circle, that symbol is already used for lots of things. The Kite shield is just an upsidown teardrop, one may not immediately associate it with a shield. However, when people see the silhouette of the heater shield, they don't think iron heater, they think shield. If you quickly want to convey to the audience "shield" while not obscuring most of the character (which would be the tactfully advantageous thing) you pick the heater shield.
@Dethneko
@Dethneko 5 жыл бұрын
In Link's defense in the original game he can upgrade the shield to a much larger one, so could be he starts with what he could afford and he gets a better one when he (read: the player) can afford it. Edit: Also, if the Heater exists, could assume armor advanced enough to where it was needed and the Kite just wasn't as readily available anymore, and between the choice of a sub-optimal shield or no shield, well, a sub-optimal one is better. As far as adventurers (and potentially Link in later games), Heater might be the same weight as the Kite, but it is less bulky which can be good when maneuvering through tighter spaces. Also, it's not just other people they face, but monsters and other fantastical creatures as well, and they might need the strength of the Heater to hold back those massive blows even if it is less effective when wearing sub-optimal armor. There are exceptions, it all comes down to your own character creation, but in general it's aesthetic over functionality since video and table-top games don't actually account how weapons, armor, and shields are properly used; it's all just flashy and meant to look cool. In Hollywood's defense, I guess the idea is to have as much of the actor visible as possible so the audience knows who they're rooting for, so sub-optimal armor paired with sub-optimal shields since the fights are choreographed and they're only going to take the hits they're scripted to anyways. Not realistic, but, when done well, still looks flashy an cool.
@lyrieladuial4901
@lyrieladuial4901 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with basically everything in this Video, except the Part about Link. Malnoch and Adam allready brougth forth good Points, but there is more: In the earlier games, you can't see this. But at least from Twilight Princes ongoing, we know that Link is in Fact: Armored. He is wearing chainmail under his Green Clothing (though there is probably not that much padding beneath it) and he has thick Boots + good Gloves ( later: With Armor on them). It is not a full Suit of Chainmail ( at least his Legclothign doesn't really suggest that) but there is another good Reason: Convenience. Link is riding around, Climbing through Caverns, doing all sorts of partially very acrobatic things. Sure a Suit of Chainmail doesn't slow you down that much, but with all the things he does, I can see why he wishes to reduce weight, concerning the thigns he is actually carrying on his Body. Another Reason might be, that a Kiteshield, a Roundshield or basically anything that is much broader then his body, might als cause problems while climbing and stuff, especially fi they get Stuck or anything like that. So Links Attitude to his Choice of Weapons and Armor is probably (well if its a choice at all): He knows he is going to get into a fight, but he needs a lot of mobility as well, hence why he is using Weapons which are convenient to carry around. (Talking about his Sword and Shield, not the rest which vanishes magically into Midnas Twiligth Pockets). A Buckler would of course be more convenient, but since he repeatatly in his journeys needs to block Arrows, the Heater Shield just does a much better Job.
@PrimordialNightmare
@PrimordialNightmare 9 жыл бұрын
In the defense of Link and the adventurers the like, the heater shield ist not really rubbish. If I were to wander around the Hyrule field i might want to have a smaller less clumsy shield while walking kilometres and kilometres. I wouldn'T wear too much armour either. A hole lot of weight that wants to be moved. And you mentioned as well that the heater Shield would endure longer. thats one of it's greatest selling points to adventurers. You never know what will come, better be able to block poleaxes, luzerne, hammers and these sorts of weapons. And even if the heater shield ist small in comparison to the kite shield, it still offers a lot of passive protection and it might be a little less tiring to have a strapped shield. Although this boils down to preference. Well, probalby a heater shield sized centregrip shield might do as well or better.
@PrimordialNightmare
@PrimordialNightmare 9 жыл бұрын
nickyiil The type of Character mentioned is not someone looking for trouble. Thereby he only has weponry of a traveller, or better, he actually has weaponry exseeding that of a Travellor (Sword and shield, and (often) Chainmail. And you might consider, that we only talk about the shield, and not proper armor or no proper armour...
@livinglifeform7974
@livinglifeform7974 7 жыл бұрын
7:44 minutes of a man calling the heater shield a kite shield
@Tuclix
@Tuclix 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thought :-D There is so much it almost deserves a redo. :-D Love Shad though.
@mwplaylist2890
@mwplaylist2890 5 жыл бұрын
@@Tuclix I just like how he ended up bashing the kite shield at the end. I can imagine him going to his actual kite shield later and saying, "I'm sorry, Kitey, I didn't mean that." 'Twas a good and informative video for sure though.
@human7331654
@human7331654 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this series. I never quite understood what this type of shield was for. I figured it was more of a projection of Hollywood or just the modern romantic idea of the knight since that's what we so mostly associate the shield with. It was always too small imo to actually serve as an adequate shield until you explain it now.
@shadiversity
@shadiversity 8 жыл бұрын
My pleasure mate, thanks heaps for sharing what you learnt!
@aaronsanderson9458
@aaronsanderson9458 5 жыл бұрын
Okay, couple of points. Yes, a buckler is easy to carry, but doesn't do anything to protect you against arrows. Great for normal every day carry, not going to be the choice for a pitched battle. Kite Shield: Huge, lots of protection. Great for standing shoulder to shoulder with your buddies in a group. Unwieldy when on horseback. Not practical for carrying around all day or anything other than a battlefield. Heater: Small enough to pick up and carry all day. Protection against flights of arrows. Protection for the Torso and upper thigh. You can maneuver easily by yourself or in a group. (Which is why we see it as the standard War Shield for 300 years from the time of the Second Crusade through at least the end of the 100 Years War)
@RagnarLodbrok1
@RagnarLodbrok1 4 жыл бұрын
It also seems to transfer pretty well to sword-and-buckler fencing, which a kite shield is more unwieldy in. It's a perfectly adequate shield if you aren't armored. There have to be reasons you don't see kite shields depicted much after the 12th century. Not to mention that the later rotella provides less coverage than a 13th century heater shield and was absolutely used in civilian fencing. As a general rule, people would prefer not to die. If they're in a duel, they won't pick something if they have a reason to believe it's a poor tool for the job.
@WilliamSlayer
@WilliamSlayer 6 жыл бұрын
Your ability to make fun of your own mistakes in this video made it even MORE informative. I actually found my self sitting up and paying closer attention just to see if you would say "Kite Shield" again... and again! Thanks for both the information of the Heater shield, AND the laughs! :-)
@KirillTheBeast
@KirillTheBeast 8 жыл бұрын
Just an opinion from my limited experience in HEMA: The amount of shenanigans you can pull off with a skjoldr is almost infinite. I've found heater shields to be most effective using it for deflecting, and other HEMA practitioners know this too, so they know the only threat is my sword as opposed as when I'm using a Skjoldr. TL:DR Pick a larger shield if you're unarmored! A skjoldr will do wonders! PS: Im curious regarding which martial arts you've practised in the past, because you seem to understand very well the approach to certain matters (read: all gear meant to either synergise or complement the rest).
@Mr.Foxhat
@Mr.Foxhat 6 жыл бұрын
One thing to note about Link however is that he fights enemies way bigger and stronger than anything a real knight could even dream of fighting. And while Lanayru (the creator of the Hylian shield) could have made a round shield or a Kite shield, he likely chose a heater shield due to the ability to cover the body more than a buckler, yet allow for greater movement than the other 2. It is an indestructible shield after all.
@PJDAltamirus0425
@PJDAltamirus0425 9 жыл бұрын
Well, link can pull several items from seemly nowhere, has to climb and scale stuff, and does frequently get assaulted by arrows and get better armor in the form of spells Magic armor in game, so in that context, that in is more of combat adventurer than battlefield warrior, the heater makes sense. It is small enough to be carried around like a backpack and big enough that if your crouch, could cover all the areas like a kite shield does.
@gianni777m
@gianni777m 6 жыл бұрын
I know I'm late to this one but the Hylian Sheild is actually a sheild used by the highest level of royal guards who are often in full plate mail and Link snags it on his journey. I don't think Nintendo actually considered this but it does line up. As for the mirror sheild I don't know enough.
@almusquotch9872
@almusquotch9872 9 жыл бұрын
A video about the targe would be interesting.
@shadiversity
@shadiversity 9 жыл бұрын
Almus Quotch Indeed it would. It's on the to do list!
@destinytroll1374
@destinytroll1374 7 жыл бұрын
Shadiversity Yes! I want to see that! Also perhaps one on the Pavise.
@robertscully3153
@robertscully3153 5 жыл бұрын
Not only does Link not get a choice on what he uses (as someone else said), he is an adventurer. I believe it was you that made a video of how adventurers would use different gear than those going directly into combat :P
@filipesilva1907
@filipesilva1907 6 жыл бұрын
I agree that the heater shield is NOT the best one, but personally it works just perfectly with my fighting style, I use the shield to block attacks but I use it more for counters, but once again it's just my opinion and my experience, I just tought it would be interesting to share this.
@SneakyTogedemaru
@SneakyTogedemaru 4 жыл бұрын
7:25 Uh oh, Shad's carried away by such big passion that he himself saying kite shield is a rubbish😱
@taintedmyth0s636
@taintedmyth0s636 5 жыл бұрын
4:56 I was watching this video specifically because I'm planning on making a larp character with similar armour to Link. Glad you directly answered my question xD
@BioHunter1990
@BioHunter1990 7 жыл бұрын
The very good Mount and Blade Warband does a fantastic job in helping you determine what shield to carry. You have everything from large board shields, down to heaters and small rounds. Whenever I am relying on a heavy cavalry charge, I tend to use the smaller heaters. The main threat I find is arrows. And a little more mobility helps me catch arrows. But during a seige? Kite. Almost every time. If I'm attacking Rhodaks, Board...or the steel shield (higher HP on the shield)...those damn crossbows.
@jasoncox5263
@jasoncox5263 7 жыл бұрын
Many would pick the buckler over other shields simply because they were more used to fighting with it and had fighting styles that relied more on speed and agility than would be easily accomplished with a full shield. I can tell you from experience that using a shield and sword is a very different experience than only using a sword, or using a sword and off-hand weapon (ie a dagger or a buckler, ect) and I am not nearly as effective with the sword and shield as I am with the other two types of styles.
@diggy5884
@diggy5884 4 жыл бұрын
Link wears chainmail and in one case, Full plate armor. If you play lttp, he wears mail armor, in TP he wears chainmail, scale mail, and plate. In hyrule warriors he wears Full plate in the opening
@miguel0n338
@miguel0n338 5 жыл бұрын
It's funny you brought up the buckler in all 3 videos; I was just thinking about its effectiveness, cuz it's so tiny that I don't know if I'd even call it a shield. Like you said it's better than nothing, but I just can't imagine using it with anything less than full plate armor... and yet it's something that people carried around often because of its portability. And that was funny about Link from the Zelda series! He does get armor later on in most games, and if I were him I would definitely want the heater shield over a buckler... but at the same time, if I were fighting the kind of creatures he fights, give me a kite shield any day! :) So, definitely interesting to see the shields compared.
@GabrielMillerd
@GabrielMillerd 4 жыл бұрын
One of the problems with a larger shield is that it can be too large and 'can' cause you to essentially out flank yourself by giving opportunity to your foe. Especially if facing multiple foes. When Shad holds his shield that is covering his whole body (head to toe, even while he is standing in a straight posture) he is 'at times' going to have to open himself up with the shield (bad), change his facing (bad), or contort his shield posture (bad) . It would seem like he can twist the shield to be more diagonal to his body to lower it opportunistically, but his arm would be contorted and he would need to correct this before engaging (because it is double strapped). Also moving forward, while still being protected forward is not easy with a head to toe shield. It can easily hinter your movement, even a modest obstruction is an obstacle that needs to be overcome. Lastly, a shield that limits the ability to fall forward and easily recover is horrible. You literally risk pinning yourself to the ground (think kneeling on the shield while being strapped to it). Also it can be to large to pickup items or secure oneself in an emergency with the shield hand. It's a cool shield if you are in a line of men and you cannot be outflanked (think SWAT teams), but not a cool idea otherwise. I can see if it you have it on a fortification, your mount, or in an armory for use opportunistically of course.
@GregTom2
@GregTom2 8 жыл бұрын
I mean... Link isn't really a warrior. He doesn't often fight other creatures with weapons, or projectiles. He's mostly an adventurer with some side arms. He's carrying the biggest sword and the biggest shield that he can comfortably carry around in forests, volcanoes, lake beds, freezing areas, hot areas, tight spaces, etc. If anything, he might be better off with just a buckler. If he was better armored, maybe. If anything, I think we can command his carrying a shield. Most heroes go with just some sword and a whole bunch of plot armor.
@seanpatterson5948
@seanpatterson5948 4 жыл бұрын
I like wood paneling and welcome to my TEDtalk.
@immoralnight9895
@immoralnight9895 8 жыл бұрын
actually just made a cleric who is going to wear plate armor and I have him equipped with a heater shield with a snarling dragon engraved on the face of the shield.
@kallmannkallmann
@kallmannkallmann 7 жыл бұрын
a cleric with full plate armor? what is this!
@Modest_PhD
@Modest_PhD 7 жыл бұрын
kallmannkallmann Dungeons and Dragons has always had heavily armored clerics. Don't ask me why. I don't get it either.
@tane98gaming
@tane98gaming 7 жыл бұрын
havel mages would like to say hello
@corwinhyatt519
@corwinhyatt519 6 жыл бұрын
While I'm cracking up at you correcting yourself via annotation I am appreciative that you take to time to do so for the sake of clarity. :)
@tylerstaley2667
@tylerstaley2667 7 жыл бұрын
but the heater shield is KEWL!
@dynamicworlds1
@dynamicworlds1 9 жыл бұрын
I have one word for characters that want to use a heater: grieves!
@poconogym8611
@poconogym8611 8 жыл бұрын
+DynamicWorlds It is true that medieval Knights applied plate armor to their lower legs first and then started building up from there over the centuries. However, even with grieves, you don't want to take a straight blow there. Best way to prevent that is to keep you low legs either out of range or inside the range to cut the angle. Don't put you low legs "in range".
@dynamicworlds1
@dynamicworlds1 8 жыл бұрын
Pocono Gym True, though at far range, the lower leg is still very vulnerable to things like spears and arrows (which they are generally very good at protecting against), and the "inside the range" part is very hard if your opponent doesn't need a powerful cut to wound you. Non-powerful blows being a threat greatly widens the "in range" area you have to avoid.
@alexanderkurtz8744
@alexanderkurtz8744 6 жыл бұрын
In the legend of Zelda breath of the wild, Link does have the opportunity to utilize shields that are closer to the size and shape of kite shields, and round shields. However he can also wear full plate armor in that game which could necessitate the usage of a heater shield depending on the foe he is currently facing
@thejman10151996
@thejman10151996 7 жыл бұрын
also in links defense he fights monsters that generally hit hard and fast and so his combo shield no armor allows his high mobility and high defense against such blows he does not often duel against a sophisticated swordsman or any human for that matter. gannon by the end usually but he has something near equal to effective armor magic or not by that point.
@KickyFut
@KickyFut 6 жыл бұрын
Got it! As Shad said throughout the latter half of this video.... *"Kite shields are rubbish!"* I mean obviously he hates *kite* shields, as he would never release a video talking about a different shield than a *kite* shield, if he's not saying how inefficient *Kite* shields are... He wouldn't have released a video where he stated that he doesn't like *Kite* shields without viewing it first.... would he? Remember: *Shad hates Kite shields!*
@dwightehowell6062
@dwightehowell6062 9 жыл бұрын
It occurs to me that with your arm strapped to the back of the the heater shield a hard blow from an ax just might get through to the arm. You don't have a steel boss there. That would seem likely to hurt a lot. Two of the advantages of the center grip shields is you do have the boss that is very unlikely to be cut through and you are holding the shield further away from the body.
@shadiversity
@shadiversity 9 жыл бұрын
Dwight E Howell with the heater shield being so thick I would think that it would be very hard for an axe to penetrate, particularity because the shield isn't braced against anything solid, the movement of your body would absorb a lot of the energy. You're right that a strapped shield could result in injury to the arm due to the energy transfer and about center grips, one of the many reasons I prefer them.
@PsylomeAlpha
@PsylomeAlpha 8 жыл бұрын
It's difficult to cut through such thick wood in one swing.
@destinytroll1374
@destinytroll1374 7 жыл бұрын
Dwight E Howell In addition to Shads point, you would probably be wearing armor on your shield arm. Chain or Plate over top of a thick padding called a Gambeson, which would help to absorb the impact.
@austynsingletary183
@austynsingletary183 6 жыл бұрын
Ever swung an axe at a shield? They don't go through as easily as Hollywood would suggest. Lamination, bro! Similar to Kevlar
@arthasmenethil4672
@arthasmenethil4672 6 жыл бұрын
The wood used may also be cross grain, the reason you can split a log easily is that you're cutting with the grain but if heater shields were plywood layers with a rawhide or laminate coating they would be much harder to swing right through.
@mitchellline3398
@mitchellline3398 6 жыл бұрын
On argument you could use in a fantasy universe is that it's strapped to the arm instead of just center grip in order to reinforce fighting as a unit instead of as an individual (like the hoplon) of course they would would need to be large heater Shields
@simmiusthefirst4558
@simmiusthefirst4558 6 жыл бұрын
The heater shield was worn with just plain mail not plate in the 13th century so less armoured people did use it.
@poconogym8611
@poconogym8611 8 жыл бұрын
When using mail armor the shield is the primary defense. A Norman style Type X sword will break bone through mail. Nasal helms of the 11th century only weighted about 2 lbs, so a direct blow will knock you out. Modern training helmets weight 7+ lbs to absorb the impact safely, but you can not wear this for more then a few hours without getting head and neck pains. People had to live in their armor so a mail shirt had to be no more then 20 lbs and helm no more then 2 lbs.
@PsylomeAlpha
@PsylomeAlpha 8 жыл бұрын
A modern helmet incorporates the weight of padding, and needs to stop far faster projectiles. If you weighed the mail coif and the padded hat that would be worn beneath the actual helmet in many cases you would find them to weigh at least as much as modern helmets.
@KairuHakubi
@KairuHakubi 6 жыл бұрын
You can be forgiven for the goofup in the middle, as it looks a lot more like a kite than the kite shield does!
@blkgardner
@blkgardner 7 жыл бұрын
Although the heater shield was optimized for armored combat, I don't think it was never or rarely used by unarmored people. My primary evidence for that assertion is that small to medium-sized strap shields survived into the early modern period, while large shields were rare and often for specialized purposes, such as pavises and dueling shields. If the heater shield is too small for unarmored usage, then so are the rondache and the targe.
@SiriusMined
@SiriusMined 8 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the heater shield still be better than the smaller round shields? The one you show in the video is very large, but I seem to recall you holding a round shield that was smaller, but significantly larger than a buckler.
@Deathgaming112
@Deathgaming112 3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the kite shield blocks your own attacks or leaves you open for counters
@РоманГогешвили
@РоманГогешвили 8 жыл бұрын
wow, Shad needs another double for this video!
@matthewalphonso3420
@matthewalphonso3420 8 жыл бұрын
What are the chances you could make a video on targes/rotellas?
@LG-iy5mw
@LG-iy5mw 4 жыл бұрын
What about a large heater shield? Maybe about Kite Shield size?
@miguelsuarez-solis5027
@miguelsuarez-solis5027 7 жыл бұрын
Bucklers weren't carried on the sword handle... they were usually carried on the belt on a loop or hook... often times over the sword or near it
@Deathgaming112
@Deathgaming112 3 жыл бұрын
You need to know how to use each shield effectively like the kite shields good for defence actions and the heater shield is the most offensive because it can block effectively and can manipulate the battle with speed
@thejman10151996
@thejman10151996 7 жыл бұрын
in some of the newer ones too links tunic is very similar to a gamberson.
@eazy8579
@eazy8579 4 жыл бұрын
When you see everyone is commenting on Link and the Zelda series, but no one is noticing that he calling the heater shield a kite shield by accident
@metamaxis
@metamaxis 5 жыл бұрын
4:56 Its kinda true, but its also magic so....
@evandropin16
@evandropin16 5 жыл бұрын
I ordered a Heater Shield and I do not know what size of a one-handed sword is most effective with it. Can you help me with this?
@mineman2142
@mineman2142 8 жыл бұрын
5:10 he calls the heater shield a kite shield :P
@elsasslotharingen7507
@elsasslotharingen7507 8 жыл бұрын
He does it consistently throughout the three videos...
@leaveeye
@leaveeye 7 жыл бұрын
He also corrects himself
@brotherandythesage
@brotherandythesage 6 жыл бұрын
Round shield is just a shape. Sizes of round shield can vary greatly through time and space. Huge Ancient Greek hoplons to tiny Late Renaissance bucklers and every diameter in between! You can find small-medium shields used among American Plains Indians, Persians, and Indians to very late dates. (I wonder with terminology though when writing in a period where there are so many armor, shield, and sword types why did they not have more specific wording? I mean if you yell at your squire to go grab you that shield and you have four different kinds of shields how does he know which one to fetch?)
@Badwater4560
@Badwater4560 4 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to design a shield that can go up against charging attacks from large goats or wild boar. How would you recommend I design a shield to protect my legs/self in this manner?
@EitriBrokkr
@EitriBrokkr 7 жыл бұрын
any guesses as to why the top of the shield is pointed and not rounded like the other two
@stevel8430
@stevel8430 8 жыл бұрын
shame you slip up and say kite when you mean heater towards the end but good vid and great channel full stop. However I disagree with your conclusion. its a rubbish shield for a infantry shield wall. for that kite round or ideally roman . However in all other situations i would choose it . its not big enough to slow you down. Because a object being big and cumbersome is more of a factor in that than than actual mass . in that sense its a compromise between buckler and kite . The strap configuration means you can hold rains and conceivably even draw a bow while holding it. But also a heater shield is offencive as well as defensive . my weapon of choice would be a morning srar adopting the same stance as a authodox boxer blocking and deflecting with the left and trying to force a gap to get the knock out with the right. mace to hand then knee then head . Armour no armour mans done either way. The heater sheald can be turned sideways and used to jab with. I think thats a huge advantage thats why id choose it for foot combat as well as mounted excluding shield wall scenario that is. Not that that's the position id choose to be in . id be on my horse lancing then drop lance once the lines broken and set about them with the morning star. id cary a hand and half on my left Purley as back up for the Mace and shield. But if you sead arena fight with no mount .im taking a 9ft Halburg forget the shield il take reach thanks .
@filippofontanesi8925
@filippofontanesi8925 6 жыл бұрын
but in a castle, so with narrow corridors and no need to defend youself from arrows or forming a formation, is it not more effective than the larger shields?
@DaglasVegas
@DaglasVegas 8 жыл бұрын
4:02 that's an unrealistic argument. If you live in the 13th or 14th centenaries, and you are from the socio-economic class who can't afford full suit of armor, you are not in the position too choose which previous periods shields you'd like to carry to combat. you couldn't say, all-right the contemporary shield, which is the heater shield, is just rubbish, I better make my self a kite shield or a Scutum, because they would offer me a better protection. that not how it worked. the Heater shield is what they had, that's about it. Historical reenactors usually try to accurately depict an accurate depiction of a person form a specific historical period, you can't fault them for using the heater should when reanacting the period they were used in. HEMA is usually based on surviving fighting manuals, as far as i know, there aren't many surviving manuals that deal with kite shields, so HEMA practitioners tend to focus on practicing what they can learn from surviving manuscripts rather then what they can't learn because of lack of information. faulting them for using the less effective shield would be unfair, and Maybe it's not actually more effective when you consider that HEMA is mostly focused on one on one dueling, and maybe the kite shield is too cumbersome and big for that purpose.
@destinytroll1374
@destinytroll1374 7 жыл бұрын
Gad Yariv Even if you are poor, if you go to buy a shield, you're going to pick the best one for your needs.
@lonewolf209
@lonewolf209 7 жыл бұрын
If you were from a socio-economic class who can't afford a full suit of armor, who says you can't afford your choice of shields? Shields were WAY cheaper than a full set of armor. It's not that difficult to make, it doesn't require special skills. Really, anyone who isn't absolutely dirt poor (who really shouldn't be in battle anyway) should be able to afford a damn shield.
@ShadyKnight9
@ShadyKnight9 8 жыл бұрын
If I understand correctly, say I made a character in a role-playing game who wears munition grade armor, cuirass, spaulders, tassets, helmet, maybe a pair of greaves and vambraces for the heck of it, then he should be rocking a kite shield instead of a heater shield, correct?
@shadiversity
@shadiversity 8 жыл бұрын
+ShadyKnight9 In my opinion, absolutely, as the kite protects the legs and the legs are vulnerable in the armor set up you describe.
@patrickstewart3446
@patrickstewart3446 8 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video about the hoplon where you keep calling it a scutum? :)
@PAX-East
@PAX-East 7 жыл бұрын
I made a character for DND who wears medium armor basically chainmail with leather / Rawhide over it and uses a dagger and buckler (more thief type), is that logical?
@marsbolcan9311
@marsbolcan9311 7 жыл бұрын
What if you don't want to have a huge Round Shield or Kite Shield, but you htink to yourself that the buckler is just way too small? I think the Heater shield can great if you don't want a massive shield, but not a tiny one either.
@nicholasking6066
@nicholasking6066 3 жыл бұрын
it let me get through a handful of vids commenting hulk brigandine then wouldn't let me post that anymore so lets see how far Shad brigandine will get before i have to think of a new one. if i run out of armors i will use every incarnation of the shadiversity battle cry known to man. for one vid just type hulk may work but for this library of shadexandria. . . we will need more machicolations sir! youtube algorithm you have slapped a shadiversity student and US Army wounded warrior with a gontlet this duel is on.
@Tss70892
@Tss70892 7 жыл бұрын
Is kiteshield and mail-armor a good combo?
@JohnSmith-bg4hu
@JohnSmith-bg4hu 7 жыл бұрын
what about tower shields?
@MrSmileyZ
@MrSmileyZ 8 жыл бұрын
I would use thise tipe of shield even with weak or no armor at all.. I would use it offensively, to bash in to enemies just to get a litle bit closer and stab them or something like that.. So It`s basicly tactic related- offensive. (Sorry for bad english)
@destinytroll1374
@destinytroll1374 7 жыл бұрын
Miloš Zdravković A center grip shield is far more effective for offensive actions than a strap on. They provide extra mobility and range to bashing attacks.
@MrSmileyZ
@MrSmileyZ 7 жыл бұрын
That way you have greater chances in hurting yourself... By bashing with your whole body you distribute the force of the bash and you get more force in to it becouse of the waight put in to it...
@NoTrail
@NoTrail 7 жыл бұрын
Where you from Shad dude?
@yoblackdaddy1
@yoblackdaddy1 7 жыл бұрын
Australia
@NoTrail
@NoTrail 7 жыл бұрын
Ok...just curious, your accent didn't seem quite British or Australian. I am fascinated by accents and dialects.
@junichiroyamashita
@junichiroyamashita 7 жыл бұрын
ever thought of making a video about the pavise?
@destinytroll1374
@destinytroll1374 7 жыл бұрын
Junichiro Yamashita Yes! Someone else who's interested in them.
@panandrew2748
@panandrew2748 8 жыл бұрын
I fell you shad. I fell you.
@Roland3ld
@Roland3ld 7 ай бұрын
Hello guys from the previous video.
@ragnar338
@ragnar338 7 жыл бұрын
Nice content but it hurts to see a suit jacket touch skin - the Hemd/chemise whatever is the underwear that is washed sterile (theerfore white), the jacket not so much.
@master9187
@master9187 5 жыл бұрын
Ive watched you call different Shields kite Shield make up your mind
@Deathgaming112
@Deathgaming112 3 жыл бұрын
I think the heater shields way better then that tripping hazard
@Deathgaming112
@Deathgaming112 3 жыл бұрын
Do you even spare?
@Deathgaming112
@Deathgaming112 3 жыл бұрын
Do you spare????
@wearyaxe9164
@wearyaxe9164 7 жыл бұрын
HEATER SHIELD
@Deathgaming112
@Deathgaming112 3 жыл бұрын
That kite shields so clunky you'd loss against every shield in any combat thats not formation combat and if your formation got broken youd be fucked
@justin9202
@justin9202 7 жыл бұрын
you know shad, you mentioned that you only want to use the heater shield when your in armor EVEN CHAIN therfore why would you say Link your an idiot? Link is damn near fully clad in chain armor under neath the tunic, He also wears a helmet in multiple instances and even legg protection if your using red or blue tunic. So why call him an idiot when you mentioned chain armor earlier as a group of people that would use the heater? that's very contradictory
@Deathgaming112
@Deathgaming112 3 жыл бұрын
With weapons
@Deathgaming112
@Deathgaming112 3 жыл бұрын
You need to know shield technechs
@TediI47
@TediI47 6 жыл бұрын
I think Link predominantly uses a heater shield because he's a stupid 6 year old. A more sensible person would use a glass jar or a net.
@Deathgaming112
@Deathgaming112 3 жыл бұрын
You cant just grab a shield and use it effectively id tare you appart in battle forcing my shield into your weapon and poking you in the fucking eye
@badpossum440
@badpossum440 7 жыл бұрын
HEATER- HEATER- HEATER NOT KITE.
@Adventureruler
@Adventureruler 9 ай бұрын
HOW DARE YOU SAY LINK IS AN IDIOT 4:57
@Xirque666
@Xirque666 8 жыл бұрын
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@GusCraft460
@GusCraft460 6 жыл бұрын
What about tower shields?
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