The Hidden History of Shuai Jiao - Part Three - Kungfu Explained #08

The Hidden History of Shuai Jiao is a multi-part series that will present the history of modern Chinese Shuai Jiao, examining the commonly spread history to separate fact from fiction through the lens of evidence, history, and logic.
Kungfu Explained #08 - The Hidden History of Shuai Jiao - Part Three
Following on episode two, in this third and final episode we look into the the origin of the Shan Pu Ying, the structures of the Qing givernment and its banner system and the actual roots of Shuai Jiao in totality.
Once again, a huge shoutout to Alex Xian Zhao, and his research into this subject, on which much of this series was inspired and based on.
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[@AA-dg2fn]

So cool that you studied the culture and history of a martial art to a point where you even studied the Mongolian loanwords in Manchu language! During watching your video, I realized a connection between the Mongolian verb for that dance before wrestling “magsihu” and the Manchu word for dancing “maksimbi”. Its nominal form is ‘maksin’, transcribed in Chinese as 莽式.

[@wade8130]

Another great lesson. Thank you! I was involved in a Baoding Shuai Jiao school for nearly a year in Germany. A prior injury to one of my knees, leaving it a bit unstable, didn't allow me to continue. The back-leg-straight approach to the sweeping throws was just too dangerous and I kept re-injuring the knee. Broke my heart to leave it. I had already had many years of practice in another system of Kung Fu, and if I try to execute a throw nowadays, it will be hip throw or a short sweep without straightening the leg. It's not as powerful or fast but it can get the job done if I'm careful.

[@Livingtree32]

We have a Shuaijiao school in Germany? 😮😮😮😮 Where?

[@bboyshaolin]

Just watched it and although we have discussion often on the topic, damn it was amazing to see it all together. What a great video. This is something very important for the arts and culture, thank you for your great contribution to Shuaijiao and Bokh🙏🏾❤️

[@MuShinMartialCulture]

Thank you brother!

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

The background on the banner system is fascinating

[@MbisonBalrog]

Why? It just groups different ethnic groups into their own military units.

[@AlIskanderZhao]

The memes are great. Wish I could put memes in research papers.

[@MuShinMartialCulture]

Lol that would make for an interesting read

[@Tunks1]

Excellent! 👏👏👏

[@polyronin]

Fascinating, thank you. 👍

[@AlIskanderZhao]

Thanks for the shoutout, bro

[@michaelnolan1623]

Very well done!

[@MuShinMartialCulture]

Thank you

[@shawn6669]

That video starting at 3:56 is the best thing ever! :)

[@shawn6669]

Also great video, as always, Byron! Thanks for posting!

[@AA-dg2fn]

It is pretty clear that the modern day Shuai Jiao originated from Manchu buku(wrestling) of the Qing dynasty. Some wrestling techniques in Shuai Jiao still have their Manchu terms, such as “dehele”(transcribed in Chinese as 得合勒) which comes from a Manchu verb dehelembi, meaning ‘to hook’. Trying to connect Shuai Jiao to other older wrestling forms in China is, as you said, a myth.

[@MuShinMartialCulture]

Indeed, actually the term 'dehe' comes from the mongolian word for a hook / hook shape. As per Rozycki's research, the word's origin is Khalkha mongolian, and its adoption into Manchu was more recent in general terms. The technique in Bokh uses this name (dege).

[@AlIskanderZhao]

It's pretty funny, but when you look at shuai jiao manuals, a lot of them mention Chi You, Yue Fei or some other form of wrestling that has little to do with Shuai Jiao. As I wrote in my thesis, it's like claiming soccer is related to ancient Chinese cuju.

[@MuShinMartialCulture]

@@AlIskanderZhao Yeah man, this was happening in the republican era in a rampant manner. I'm sure you read Marrow of the Nation, where you can see some of the these types of writings from prominent republican era figures.

[@lelionnoir4523]

I was highly dubious of all that was said until I saw Uncle Roger. Those two seconds single handedly convinced me instantly.

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Thanks for the spoiler

[@lelionnoir4523]

@@MonkeyStealsPeach Australian latency. Not my fault you went and buried yourself there. 😛

[@lelionnoir4523]

...he wrote from the forlorn depths of his French countryside.

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

@@lelionnoir4523 well, I have just spent the last week in a town where the only restaurant felt like it was from an episode of Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares

[@janeygenraam7923]

🤪Shampoo Ying 💆🚿😅

[@DavidRoss2780A]

Ma Liang is a very important figure in understanding Chinese martial arts today, but the politics of the 20th C mean he is seldom actually discussed (only changing recently). People don't even accept that he set up the Shuai Jiao program and the Central Guoshu and invited Chang Dongsheng to attend the program

[@MuShinMartialCulture]

Yes, he is extremely important, but...politics as usual

[@AlIskanderZhao]

He backed the losing side... now he's seen as a Hanjian

[@DavidRoss2780A]

@@AlIskanderZhao politics do not change history, despite the efforts of so many

[@charlesbetancourt7337]

@@MuShinMartialCulture Speaking of the world's most famous Shuai Jiao champion( Chang dong sheng), why in all your episodes to you only give him maybe five seconds of exposure. Does it have to do with him being a practitioner of the style of shuai Jiao you make funn of in this video? If you don't believe in h" hiding" history, tell us all what happened when he wrestled " hukil" the mongol wrestling champion.

[@MuShinMartialCulture]

@@charlesbetancourt7337 There was no making fun of in this video at all. It seems you have a comprehension problem and didn't even grasp the topic that was being covered here. I suggest you watch all three episodes again