Why Heihachi’s Return is Potentially Genius.

[@mordymountains1096]

We’re going to have to pay for Heihachi’s diaper outfit, I can see it now.

[@DrNR-jp6lz]

Fundoshi LMAO

[@guzoulou]

We'll have to pay to play Heihachi on a Tekken game ffs

[@dojojoe2861]

😂💀👌💯

[@saiyanhashira2.075]

Im Here for it 🙌🏾

[@crystaleater2581]

The only thing worth paying for

[@EXCELLENCE-037]

Nah, the scene where the monk saved heihachi in the new story chapter is an example of awful story writing, they could've actually killed him and make reina revived him and then heals in the temple with the monks, but instead they added more pointless side character

[@raveturkey1996]

I was thinking pretty much the same thing, although it wouldn't really be great writing either to be honest xd I really wanna know more about Reina at this point though... Did Heihachi sleep around or is she a test-tube baby? Maybe she's an orphan? I'm hoping they give us more info on who she actually is and where she is and what this mysterious plan is all about. Before Tekken 9 :(

[@JayGaming-p2u]

I like the way you think @excellence-037

[@ryry29_h03]

Good Writing: ❌ Good Marketing: ✔️

[@KmoneyB12]

At this point i rather see a prequel on how heihachi became what he was before meeting his wife than to see what we have now cuz the story we got now is not it

[@GaeaRage0798]

Definitely bad writing. That's what happens when you make a fighting game's story so narrative driven and give a sense of finality to one of its characters, that in the next entry or even further updates, all of that will be invalidated. Probably Capcom knows this and that's why they haven't given us a Ryu vs Akuma The Last Stand, because we all know they would back down from the result, sooner or later.

[@parrisxsummers]

Just bring the character back as a flashback like they did with kazumi… Capcom doesn’t know anything, that’s why they keep bringing m bison back. They haven’t given us ryu vs suki a because akuma is a meaningless character. If you remove akuma from street fighter, nothing will change.

[@lostlameloop9923]

Imagine they just skipped him for this game. Imagine they actually commited to what they said for once and made a suprise comeback in the next Tekken. But no, they want the money so he is missing from the game and you have to pay extra to play him and due to his popularity they will make hella bank. This is just a cash grab, can’t tell me different. It was way too obvious they can’t skip him. Skipping popular characters would have been cool, but skipping them to make us pay extra to get them as DLC is bullshit.

[@SuperFusionAJ93]

"Good Writing" Yeah Ok...

[@Spades20XX]

Yeah. That’s what I said.

[@SuperFusionAJ93]

@@Spades20XX And I say you are on meth

[@Takamine_kun]

GARBAGE writing!!

[@princecrowe6417]

Heihachi coming back is not the problem (it was going to happen either in the next game or the last season of T8) but for him to be back THIS soon just off of season 1 pass is wild and concerning to how they can even top this with future seasons / T9 story progression But maybe Harada have something else up his sleeve 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@userrick-n8y]

Of course, the return of Heihachi to the story reflects the depletion of creativity in the minds of the game developers and their despair after suffering from a lack of innovation, along with the purely commercial, corrupt global direction focused solely on making money without any artistic or creative value worthy of selling millions of copies. I hold the gaming community partly responsible for this neglect, as they accept this disrespect because they accept everything. Jun will appear as if she is alive with the appearance of a 28-year-old, and oger may return as well, along with Jinpachi coming back in a ridiculous resurrection.

[@Spades20XX]

I agree that Jun looks way too young (younger than her Tag 2 appearance which I personally enjoyed) but I don’t see this as “depleted creativity or “lack of innovation”. A lack of innovation in the series would be another game like Tekken 7. The developers were bold enough to develop a new system and even retool it after consumer feedback (Heat gauge from the first beta to now is vastly different) but many players are so caught up in being upset that it isn’t their perfect Tekken that we actually haven’t respected an attempt at new ways of balancing. Obviously not everything thrown at the wall sticks, and there are definitely painful business practices but “lack of innovation” and “depleted creativity” are hard disagreements from me personally. TEKKEN is a business product yes, but I do believe Harada is leading with some absolute passion and it shows in his in-depth tweets about the business, Tekken narrative and personal investment in the game’s reputation.

[@userrick-n8y]

@Spades20XX From the writing perspective, I don't agree. but in terms of the effort they put into the game design, costumes, and the new system, yes, this game truly looks beautiful and has significant differences for the first time since Tekken 5. However, when it comes to the delivering a story worthy of the legacy and the years, and subjecting it to scrutiny and criticism free from feelings of love for the game, you'll find that the story is a never-ending loop... Maybe the story isn't important to the professional players, but in every game, the story matters to me. This is my personal opinion.

[@nugget3327]

I can definitely see them cooking on the Tekken 8 story mode that we had seen but then they fumbled the bag at how many executions they missed with it.

[@userrick-n8y]

The story in Tekken 8 doesn’t even involve a process resulting from creative writing or writing that seeks to add an intelligent touch, even at the most basic level. I attribute the mistake of overvaluing Tekken 8’s story to Tekken 7, as its story was extremely poor. But Tekken 8, in terms of its narrative framework and plot style, lacks even the most basic elements that constitute a story. It’s very uncharacteristic.

[@ScrapeMcLavacle]

⁠​⁠@@userrick-n8y”even the most basic elements that constitute a story”. ??? Though I disagree with ur takes on the quality of recent Tekken games, I personally think they’re as cartoonishly entertaining as ever, that boils down to opinion and I’m sure you have ur reasons. But saying that Tekken 8’s story lacks even fundamental building blocks of basic writing is objectively wrong. You may not like it, but using such absolute phrasing just to shit on the writing makes it seem that you think your subjective opinion is as important and objective as basic writing concepts. Tekken absolutely has basic and more complex intentional plot development, and it’s possible to objectively appreciate/acknowledge techniques used while personally hating those elements of the story.

[@iMmunashe]

Good writing and Tekken's... in the same sentence, now that's a reach

[@Spades20XX]

@@iMmunashe yeah well not to me. Made a whole video about it

[@Dusktodawn430]

This is a very well done video. You’re well spoken you make good points your audio quality is good and your edits are clean. And if you look at heihachi’s gameplay in tekken 8 you’re on the money. I don’t even comment often but this was a good video.

[@Spades20XX]

@@Dusktodawn430 Thank you 🙏 means a lot.

[@President_Shin]

It’s definitely bad writing, or at the least way too soon.

[@logand450]

Tekken has never had good writing.

[@Diu1999]

@@logand450Tekken 1-4 says Hi 👋

[@userrick-n8y]

This is not correct. Tekken 1 to 3 had a cohesive and strange direction. Even then, despite its simple storytelling and plot, it was surprising to portray the return of the villain in the second part as the hero, the death of the original hero in the second part, the appearance of the son in the third part, and the death of Kazuya's supposed wife. Tekken was bold and unpredictable. In Tekken 4, Kazuya returned, which was a beautiful surprise, and Tekken 4 had the strongest story and presentation, not just for Mishima but for the entire saga." ​

[@nugget3327]

I don’t have any high hopes but I hope it’s better than the last one they really dropped the ball with that.

[@Pokaroquai]

​@@logand450please compare the ending of Paul Phoenix between him in Tekken 4 and the other Tekkens, and come back and prove your statement later

[@ReignXzile]

“The Electrical God Fist” gave my IPhone a virus.

[@luyandothando]

as a Kazuya main, I am pissed. you guys seen how pissed and tired Kazuya is too? in a way I am interested in seeing how Jin and Kazuya fair since they both lost their devil genes, and Heihachi gained something similar to Jinpatchi.

[@newnamek96]

Fool me once (tekken 1) shame on you, fool me twice (tekken 5) shame on me, fool me 3 times (tekken 7) now its over for you

[@jordanroberts8270]

First video of yours I’ve watched and the memes plus information got me locked in 🔥🔥

[@Spades20XX]

@@jordanroberts8270 hey man I really appreciate it. I would love to keep making videos like this 😭

[@chefvideogame]

I really hope he doesn’t end up like SF6 Bison. Bison/Dictator got a gameplay update and an amnesia plot, but World Tour’s story basically shows him getting his memory back and hints at Season 3 bringing Balrog/Boxer and Vega/Claw back into Shadaloo again. Heihachi’s gameplay looks like “Lidia but Mishima”, so I’m hoping that the story doesn’t just bring him back to return to the status quo.

[@millimeterpeterderekjeter]

I thought adding Reina was supposed to be the Heihachi replacement, bringing him back is just lazy and stupid

[@logand450]

Completely different play styles. Heihachi needed to come back.

[@californiawells2805]

@@millimeterpeterderekjeter Reina is a stance character with evasive properties. Did you really think she was a replacement or were you just told that?

[@aleflippy1997]

@@californiawells2805 Girl was added as the secret daughter of Heihachi whom nobody has ever heard of... right after the game that supposedly killed him... Of course everyone thought she would be Heihachi's replacement you bozo.

[@californiawells2805]

@aleflippy1997 her 1,1,2 is a stance transition move. Idk how you could think she replaces Heihachi after that. If anything I'd say Kazuya replaced heihachi given his moveset was upgraded to be more aggressive but even still he focuses on 50/50 setups where Heihachi has always been more focused on straight rushdown

[@aleflippy1997]

@@californiawells2805 But you're talking about gameplay. We're talking about lore and Tekken's history. Of course (and thankfully) they are different enough gameplay-wise. But we all thought we would finally move forward with the Mishima saga... But nope. Eight games so far and we barely moved an inch.

[@C.R.Cole331]

Is it possible the story DLC could be expertly written and completely justify bringing Heihachi back to life? Yes. Unlikely but possible.

[@diablojim]

*spoilers* their explanation for Heihachi’s survival is some of the worst writing i have ever seen.

[@guillermogarcin9529]

​@@diablojimyep your right, same with MK1. MK1 Khaos Reigns is the worst story ever. Mk11 Aftermath is way better.

[@bruhman9262]

the not so hidden dumbassery behind bringing him back the game after he died

[@EmmanuelMarin07]

Okay. You've convinced me *subscribes*

[@KCarver]

Good video. I've been playing since T1 & after reading countless comments both on this video & on other media platforms, most people fail to realize this is a business first & foremost. Secondly, Heihachi is Tekken. The “Fans” have to understand that if they want to see Namco continue, T8 has to make money. Simple. The complainers have to grow up & stop being crybabies. Don't like Heihachi. Don't play/buy him.

[@Jay-mx6bg]

Some call this an asspull I kind of a grew but they’ve been trying to “kill” him for ages now

[@nemesisprime2993]

Heihachi should always be around because he himself is Tekken, if they say he's is in exile, but dead, hell no!

[@popshot8898]

Yoooo that Kendrick intro was hard af

[@Spades20XX]

@@popshot8898 bro thank you! Was really proud of how it came out

[@IzuMido-t1m]

Okay I won’t throw shade at heihachi now since we haven’t gotten an explanation on his return wen there COULD be an explanation, but if we get the story and they don’t explain heihachi’s return and even who reina is then I will be very disappointed/upset.

[@Spades20XX]

@@IzuMido-t1m that’s all I’m asking! I just made a new post on my channel that strongly suggests there’s an actual explanation too

[@IzuMido-t1m]

@@Spades20XX tbh Lars inherited heihachi’s electric sparks and still has heihachi’s electric sparkles in tekken 8 (the light blue electric sparkles from tekken 7) along with his own unique electric sparkles (the light purple) in tekken 8. As we saw in heihachi’s trailer, heihachi now has Reina’s electric particles, no longer his own generic electric particles (the light blue) this hints that the heihachi we see isn’t the real one

[@IzuMido-t1m]

@@Spades20XX jin, reina and kazuya has the Smokey electric sparks in 8 due to the devil gene I’m assuming since Lars doesn’t have the Smokey electrics, this means heihachi has to have the devil gene

[@JalauroUrsa]

You have to use Comic book logic, when it comes to resurrected characters, in Fighting Games. Bison, Heihachi........next is Geese........

[@djw_tekken8490]

@@IzuMido-t1m we got the explantion now someone saved him from the volcano

[@Takamine_kun]

Wrestling fan chants: Same old shit! Same old shit! Same old shit!

[@RickBomhof]

having Hei return to t8 is bullshit. tekken 7's story just gets completely ret-conned and makes everything pointless.

[@Spades20XX]

Everything? Like his character development? The story of Kazumi? Akuma? Jin coming to terms with his Devil Gene and beginning a redemption arc? Kazuya reaching his personal peak? Also, who said Heihachi *didn’t* die in the volcano? What exactly are we seeing when we look at Heihachi’s character model and the character you see coming out of the volcano? How do we reconcile them to be the exact same person? I think we should ask more questions and wait for definitive answers before saying “everything is pointless”. As someone who thinks the story of Tekken is better than most fighting game fans give it credit for, I just can’t call bullshit here.

[@SuperFusionAJ93]

@@Spades20XX Better than most Fighting Games? Ok Buddy You Genuinely Tweaking

[@Spades20XX]

@@SuperFusionAJ93 that’s how I feel bro, you ain’t gotta like it.

[@shvrberi]

I still don’t understand why 7 was “supposed to be different”. I’ve been saying since day one that Heihachi never dies. I don’t know why everyone really wanted to believe they wouldn’t bring him back this time, but there was no reason to think that.

[@omegabossking]

I'm happy that he is back :D

[@djw_tekken8490]

it makes no sense but we are still happy to get him

[@TheDarkknightrules92]

Yeah dude. The story of Tekken has always been the most fascinating in fighting games imo. It just wasn't always presented properly like ie, the boring narrator in T7. But T8 was a breath of fresh air. It was epic! Can't wait for Heihachi's return! ❤

[@justaway6901]

They are going to recreate the Jin vs Kazuya vs Heihachi from the movie. But what has not happened yet? Them teaming up! We all know Ogre is coming. Them teaming up to defeat Ogre is hype.

[@GuiserGestalt]

I'm interested in the interaction between Devil Reina and Heihachi, will Reina be Heihachi's subordinate or will the devil gene just make her more arrogant and basically create a kazuya 2.0 where she wants all the power for herself? There is also the unnatural way that Heihachi is being brought back and whether he will have new supernatural powers of his own

[@rollin-kimblecroskey9110]

Heihachi's time has come and gone!!!

[@Zenkai.boost.Kekkei.Genkai]

Heihachi isn't resurrected from the dead he got saved by one of those monks just as he was about to fall into the lava

[@connorohalloran1636]

For me Heihachi's return either has to b well written or a what if story. I'm sceptical, wait and we shall see

[@MuhammadAbdullah-em9ps]

I agree bro they crying for no reason 4:57

[@mr.bucket1921]

also the fact of heihachi original voice actor had died years back

[@cosmicspider2]

8:10 - 8:35 Are you sure about that?

[@Spades20XX]

@@cosmicspider2 yeah at the moment of writing.

[@cosmicspider2]

@@Spades20XX Hm. Okay then.

[@Spades20XX]

@@cosmicspider2 was it too hard to check the date of the upload before posting some snark?

[@holicstardroidrm146]

Why would you think he died to begin with? Bro is a mishima, death made him comeback younger!!!

[@diablojim]

They should have brought him back but without including him in the story, it just repeats the same stuff and its getting boring, it is awful writing.

[@guillermogarcin9529]

Welcome to the fighting games, it was always like that. Same with MK.

[@girlbeneaththegap6982]

Tekken plot is so unserious😂

[@Spades20XX]

@@girlbeneaththegap6982 it can be! I think that’s a great thing sometimes. I don’t want something like Tekken 4 that takes itself so seriously all the time. It can be a good thing but this is a world that has fighting bears, pandas, time travel and a fat man who has the speed of Ip Man, we gotta have goofy and hilarious moments!

[@girlbeneaththegap6982]

@@Spades20XX Yeah I think my favourite moments were some comedy endings honestly. In regards to Heihachi, it would have been satisfying if they waited longer before adding him in.

[@Kielon360]

If you look at the lore of tekken, Heihachi survived many live endings, so its not surprising that his back, look up his timeline between tekken 4 and 6, his as was underground for whole tekken 5 timeline (its cannon) and came back like nothing happened withoud food and drink (at that point i think he have some kind of devil gen in him LMAO)

[@nemesisprime2993]

Heihachi is Tekken, there's no good Tekken if he's dead, if sent to exile we can understand that, but dead! Hell no!

[@thankyoujeffrey]

Great video

[@Spades20XX]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@crazy911wman]

I hope they wont ruin him as they did with dragunov

[@SmallOneEyedKing]

I still believed Reina was created from Blood of Heihachi and a piece of tye devil gene. Since The Zaibatsu is high in technological Genetics.

[@TigerPlayzz786_official]

I think the last person returning is Jinpachi cz no one’s talking bout him and everyone forgot him and no one expects it to be him and it would be a very good twist if he returned cz I don’t think any other character returning is as good as heihachis returning except Jinpachi

[@Spades20XX]

I dunno I can’t see Jinpachi coming back right now. Maybe Ogre. But not Jinpachi unless they’re going for a non-canon appearance. I been wrong before tho

[@TigerPlayzz786_official]

@@Spades20XX u might be right

[@TigerPlayzz786_official]

@@Spades20XX the reason why I think ur right is cz no one expects it to be him also and he’s the one who killed jun Kazama’s (Jin kazama’s mother) and Jin is like the main character of the show so it might be ogre then than returns

[@JonJondagr3test]

Heihachi the GOAT

[@Spades20XX]

@@JonJondagr3test Yessirr

[@djw_tekken8490]

3:42 jujutsu kaisen ptsd

[@WALKERZ1108]

We're Talking about Tekken here, The same Tekken that Make us Fight a literal kangaroo with Boxing gloves, brown Bears That Knows Mishima Karate,a living Training Dummy. And Velociraptor. And you think Heihachi Return from death is Bad writing? Pfff He Is Tekken Himself. I would believe Kuma Suddenly got Devil gene instead of Heihachi Death, He is simply too Powerful,Too angry,and too Iconic To Die.

[@WALKERZ1108]

And don't even make me Talk about Paul That went From being able toe to toe with Kazuya,and Defeating Ogre into some Gag Character here.💀 Or Asuka That Got dumbly Sexualized despite Should be having Connection with Jin's Story...

[@momzilla2010]

i think him coming back is a great twist

[@corruptdreamz51]

i just wanna see heihachi in tournament

[@Snoot_Boi]

I don't really care if it makes sense or not anymore, it's a fighting game. And sometimes with fighting games the main villains never stay dead. They either come back from the dead still evil and just fine or they ended up narrowly alive or redeem themselves/still be evil

[@JoeFlix]

As someone who isn't a big tekken fan. This was interesting. The storyline has to be consistent if the game prides itself on its quality, long as their is a reasonable writing reason any character can be brought back, especially one that might excel with new systems and updates. I feel people are more unhappy it wasn't their favorite character

[@parrisxsummers]

Tekken fans will do more gymnastics than Lili to convince themselves the Tekken 8 story was good.

[@alainchristienemendoza9982]

Just bad writing. Tbh, I really don't like Tekken 8's direction of where it's going and call me crazy, but I'd rather play older Tekken games over Tekken 8 any day.

[@danieleguidi2037]

Amazing soundtrack in the Conclusion, what's the name of the song?

[@Spades20XX]

Heart Breaks 2005 by DUSQK

[@floreziwi]

Saying that none of the other Mishimas represent the original style is just false tho????? If you know how to play Kazuya in Tekken 8 you can carry that all the way back to Tekken 1 and 2 and Kazuya was just a simpler Heihachi. He has hellsweep, electric god fist, upercut, twin pistons, etc

[@Spades20XX]

Kazuya is the closest character variant to Heihachi, yes. However the game is developed specifically to have each character play different from another to create character identity. You separate Kazuya and Heihachi through Kazuya’s devil attacks and more defensive playable/ 50-50s. Heihachi cannot be replicated unless it is Heihachi himself.

[@floreziwi]

@@Spades20XX yeah but Kazuya also represents the og style, they were both introduced in Tekken 1. Of course Heihachi cannot be replaced, he's the only protagonist to be in every game and there's a reason for that, even Kazuya was replaced by Jin during Tekken 3

[@Spades20XX]

@@floreziwi you’re kinda agreeing with my point and disagreeing. Yes Kazuya represents an original Mishima style since he came from the first game alongside Heihachi, but to my greater point in the video, they have different interpretations of the style developing throughout the series, and Heihachi still has an identity all his own that is also an original Mishima style, with classic Mishima attacks that Kazuya does not have or no longer has. Saying “Kazuya represents THE OG Mishima style” is kinda right, and kinda wrong. Everyone has something to also add to their Mishima style and Heihachi doesn’t, narratively and in gameplay. It’s just Mishima style Karate. Although based on HOW he’s brought back narratively he might be different from T7 Heihachi too 🤔

[@floreziwi]

@@Spades20XX sure I only disagreed with that specific part, rest of the video was really well developed 💪

[@Spades20XX]

@@floreziwi no offense was taken at all! I enjoy discussing stuff like this and you are valid in saying that Kazuya does still have a strong original Mishima identity

[@noelportillo8633]

It's DBZ. No one ever dies.

[@shvrberi]

I can’t believe how many of you thought he was never coming back.

[@kacperparzecki7164]

I see in the comments that a lot of people just don't get Tekken story Harada is not bullshitting anyone about how their story looks like It's suppose to be insane and weird, it's been the general direction from the times of Tekken 3 and yet somehow people still want Tekken to be what it has never been or never meant to be You guys are simply looking at a wrong game if what you need is a good story with a sensible conclusion. Tekken will not give you a steadfast conclusion of any character, don't expect it.

[@nugget3327]

I’m still mad about the reason how Heihachi survived, if you know you know but I do hope this story turns out to be at least better than the mediocre The Dark Awakens story mode Tekken 8 had.

[@logand450]

Why is everyone talking about the story? Tekken's story has literally always been terrible. It's a fighting game, not a drama. I'm here to compete not watch a soap opera.

[@guillermogarcin9529]

Your right, they are complaining about Heihachi is back but they are not complaining MK games that also doing the same thing 😂

[@SonnySantana2099]

what we're not gonna do is act like the TEKKEN story is good, its all over the place, very basic and cliche, and sometimes just lack luster. i fell in love w the concept and the game itself, the story is trash and that rlly upset me when i got into it. Heihachi coming back is also very stupid story wise.like ur not gonna act like that doesnt completely ruin tekken 7. Tekken needs an anime w animation like bleach or Demon slayer with an extended and more in depth story, than i would love it

[@Spades20XX]

@@SonnySantana2099 No. What I’m not gonna allow in my comment sections is a blatant disregard for my own opinion. I love the open dialogue and I appreciate your opinion, but the “what we’re not gonna do” is unnecessary. If you strongly feel like I’m wrong, let’s talk about it or make your own video, but respect my opinion like I respect yours.

[@SonnySantana2099]

@@Spades20XX lmao Ngga relax. I wasn’t disregarding ur opinion. Was just combating it. Started off a lil hot but otherwise just disagree strongly. Saying the Tekken story is “good” is a lie. Plot holes, contrivances and retcons galore. Ima keep playing Tekken regardless. But let’s not pretend here