The Hilltop Battle | War of the Worlds(2005) Lore | Battle Analysis

[@100_American_Bison]

I think there was two strategies the U.S. military was trying to pull off. One was a kill box where the military mix units of Army, National Guard, and Marine Corps in the valley were meant to draw the aliens in for the units that was sitting on other side of the hills to sit up on the hill and alongside the air force was to hit them hard. The other strategy was most likely a defensive one where one of the many units we saw here was meant to rush to breach point in the defensive lines and hopefully close the breach with Air units doing the same. The civilians was an unexpected element, but the units made the ultimate call to try to give the civilians a moment to run before being overrun. 3: Another strategy I thought of after giving some thought was the U.S. units here were trying to employ a form of mobile defense where the units trying to tactically moving between different positions hoping the alien’s weapons had limited range and that different units could coordinate with each other in the hopes to at least to distract the tripods and hopefully bring down their shields to have a kill shot. What we saw was the tail end of that strategy and last units saw the civilians and they made the call to stand their ground in hopes the civilians can get at least.

[@RavenVI]

Those were AH-1W Supercobras, not Apaches. Based on the LAVs present, the majority of the forces here could likely be assumed to be Marines.

[@dion13o]

yeah but green camo also presents US army and marines mostly use desert camo

[@RavenVI]

@@dion13o Camo has never been branch specific, and at the time this movie was made, the LAV-25 was not in Army service. The film only mentions the national guard by name once though. However during production it was a Marines unit that was involved with filming.

[@dion13o]

@@RavenVI okay I rewatched it few times and I seen that guy who said he will delay and attack and from mostly I see he is US army but next to him was marine member becuase he was listening on commands and from my friend who was in US marines had to see that scene 3 times and from what he rememred he would listen to a US army either first or second lietuenant for next command also these AH-1W supercobras confused with Bell AH-1Z viper becuase of 3 barrel gun and then I tought everything there that was fighting was marines but it is mix

[@RavenVI]

@@dion13o probably a mix, but the LAVs and M1A1s are definitely Marines.

[@dion13o]

@@RavenVI yeah totally

[@zachzebra56]

The Uber pods climbing the hill especially when the middle one is on fire, is probably the best scene in this movie in my opinion.

[@Seven_Leaf]

My favorite is the scene where the survivors of the Ferry are flanked on the hill, while more lightning is going off in the background.

[@Shregurun93]

@@Seven_Leaf that scene was just terrifying. Seeing how flexible and fast those tripods move just haunts my mind. Supreme technology of the Martians…

[@brettmcguinness191]

Especially with that music, John Williams works in some of Darth Vader's theme at the end. It's sick

[@zachzebra56]

@@brettmcguinness191 I'm not the only one who noticed that. Noice!

[@brettmcguinness191]

​@@zachzebra56 Word, comes out right around the same time as Revenge of the Sith, there's actually a lot of Star Wars in the "reaching the country" song

[@foundationgamer9771]

I think something interesting to note is that not only was the US Army able to hold their position for any length of time, and didn't simply crumble before the Tripods immediately, as well as the deployment of Uber Pods (stronger Tripods for those not in the know) implies that the aliens did suffer casualties along the way, we just didn't see them. Therefore, I don't think the Tripods are completely invincible, even with their shields.

[@dejanjakobovic9803]

My guess is that the army planted mines after finding out that the tripods were armed with energy barriers, or the artillery combined with the gunships just overwhelmed some of the invaders. Another interesting fact: The concept art of the battle depicts about 7 tripods engaging the US Army.

[@foundationgamer9771]

​@@dejanjakobovic9803 I think the most likely cause for the majority of alien casualties is Main Battle Tanks using APFSDS shells. This is because APFSDS rounds contain no explosive filler. If what the reporter said is true, the shields cause the rounds to explode too early, so they don't do any damage. A lack of explosive filler is a good way around this. This falls in line with why humans can still be picked up and captured (said captured humans moving at a low velocity while entering the Tripod) while the shield is active, yet a low velocity projectile like a grenade still explodes. This means the shield works by setting off the fuse/explosives within a projectile, it doesn't work by blocking high velocity objects impacting on it.

[@entropybear5847]

@@dejanjakobovic9803 short of pure fantasy it's a safe guess to assume that with enough force applied, any shield can eventually be overloaded (broken through). If I was the general in charge of the battle, I'd simply have all forces possible focus fire on the weakest looking tripods until something happened, so I can imagine a pod or two might have been focused down.

[@GabrielUngacta]

No effect on target

[@dynestis2875]

You don't understand the meaning of 'no effect on target'.

[@friendlytankcannon7952]

“Man I sure hope this apfsds doesn't explode before hitting this huge tripod”

[@DC.]

Wow, I've been a massive fan of this movie since it came out and never realized this is what happened in this scene. Excellent scene.

[@craigf7000]

Great content as always, Colin!

[@natheria4933]

this was amazing. I dont understand why this doesnt have more attention.

[@ReveredDead]

There is something about seeing our military helplessly fight against an alien force that is unstoppable. Movies like this and Independence day where no matter what our greatest leaders, militaries and technology do to stem the tide. Absolutely nothing can stop the alien force. Nothing to stop them from having their way humanity.

[@Ricardogs]

Both alien study the planet even before the main invasion, harvester only use exoskeletons to avoid any danger and use planets only to mantain their own ecosystem, more smarter than "marcians".

[@goldenmanstudios]

I’ve been waiting for a video that talks about this battle also these aliens in the 2005 movie are not Martians

[@entropybear5847]

Also the fact their machines are buried was considered a plot-hole. Just figured it out. But if they sent the machines as robotic probes ahead of an interstellar fleet of living aliens (they didn't terraform with the probes because they wanted living aliens to oversee the process) then it makes a little more sense they were buried. Although the fact humans never found one in all our generations of digging seems a bit odd.

[@multiyapples]

@@entropybear5847my guess is that Spielberg did this just to be different in terms of the origins of the aliens.

[@Battleshipfan]

in this specific battle they used their Uberpods , a much stronger variant of their ordinary of their fighting machines

[@miloa5833]

I’ve always been a long time fan of Wotw, but I never knew about uberpods til now, how could you tell?

[@Battleshipfan]

@@miloa5833 the Uberpords are a mix of the Harvester and the classical fighting machine , another key difference of the Uberpods is how they got 5 eyes/searchlights not 3 and a much flatter head

[@entropybear5847]

@@Battleshipfan they're also larger than the harvester/roach-whacker pods.

[@vanguard6498]

@@Battleshipfan Thats all fanon and not official lore.

[@Battleshipfan]

@@vanguard6498 i highly doubt it as there's obvious design differences to the regular tripods that appear in that scene where they climb up the hill

[@Mastershots71]

Very good video sir. Also to note, these aliens are not Martian, Steven Spielberg noted that theses one are part of another group disconnected from Mars.

[@TheLAGopher]

I think the airliner had been downed by EMP bursts just as civilian autos were affected,while military vehicles and aircraft seemed unaffected.

[@Slappy1q7]

Just a quick thing, those helicopters were AH-1 Cobras, not Apaches. But otherwise good video

[@alpejohnson491]

AH-1Z viper I think..?

[@Slappy1q7]

@@alpejohnson491 I thought that too but if you look at a Viper they have a more complex silhouette

[@alpejohnson491]

@@Slappy1q7 true the body looks shorter like the AH series

[@Slappy1q7]

@@alpejohnson491 I'm thinking maybe the Supercobra, fits the silhouette pretty well, fits the time period and overall looks like it (albeit the paint is green and not gray)

[@RavenVI]

The Viper was barely a concept at the time.

[@entropybear5847]

Pro: You know that with enough applied force the shields will likely fall, making the aliens vulnerable. Con: You have no idea how much force will be required before their shields overload.

[@Mick-hp4yg]

This is something that I thought was cool in a (very) non canon video game I saw based on this movie. You can command your troops to only engage with a single tripod for like 20 minutes straight, and eventually the shield collapses. But the amount of ammunition and lives spent taking down the shield makes it non feasible.

[@andreworiez8920]

One guy.... Hiding with a TOW and taking the shot straight up.... From inside the shield perimeter...

[@nitsuA_LH]

My theory is the shields can be brought down in extremely small sections. Pretty much however the aliens desire. That’s how the heat rays are able to pass through without just being stopped by the shields and also how the tentacles were able to leave and bring people inside the shield bubble also. A tactic I think could be tried is trying to predict when the aliens are about to fire their weapons and see if you can get a well timed rocket inside the hole before they shoot.

[@Lsd911]

is like to see a breakdown of the war of the worlds 1953 battle

[@maxencebenech]

I have a question where is exactly the colline we see in the movie ? I think it's Hubbardton Battlefield but i'm not sure

[@harvey-jaygreaves2413]

The 3 tripods that acrosses up from the valley and from the hill are Uber pods they are tripods and harvesters combined into one as uber pods are taller and have bigger heads and 2 more spot lights

[@MrGoji12345]

correction: the uber pod is the martian general, having a larger hood and being more powerful, with 5 spotlights. The uber pod is also much taller than the regular tripod

[@maxmyers889]

They also have thicker legs and I believe have different horn sounds then the other ones

[@zachzebra56]

​@@MrGoji12345 they are not really generals but more or less commanders of the army, giving commands for the lower ranking Assault/Harvesters. Everything else you said is right though.

[@MrGoji12345]

@@zachzebra56 im pretty sure steven spielberg or whoever said it mentioned that the uber-pod was a general, but correct me if im wrong

[@zachzebra56]

@@MrGoji12345 well if you think about it, a general is kinda like the leader of an army, a commander receives orders from the general to tell the soldiers (or in this case, low ranking tripods) what to do. If the Uber pod was actually a general, then there would be only one out of the entire tripod army.

[@Myjacob99]

i love this scene so much

[@TheAngriestGamer.]

Bro calls them apachie attack helicopters. but they are all actually older model F and W cobras. really old model actually.. then again this was a 2005 movie so now im feeling old.

[@raymondrocco8607]

Wasn't a accurate movie ! I'm sure the US Govt has secrete doomsday weapons that we don't know about , than just a few helicopters and some tanks ????

[@multiyapples]

I hope we don’t see a real life hostile alien invasion.

[@defender3758]

Where was this scene filmed at, I was always curious.🤔

[@ampelogardenboy]

Would an emp work, since the shield is energy generated by the machine? Also, how exactly is the shield working when humans can get "inside" the protective area of the tripod, when they're captured? Also, the first tripod in the movie steps on a car and breaks it by physical contact/impact (the car is not crushed before the contact with the "leg" by the invisible energy shield) and the body of the tripod also smashes through buildings, without those buildings being destroyed prio to contact with the "body" of the tripod (therefore not by the energy shield). Therefore, the energy field is not generated all the time, just on alert to be activated//generated by a projectile of some kind. So, what is the "dance" between the energy shields and things (heat ray, misiiles, captured humans) entering and exiting the protective area of the tripod? Either there is some sort of time window when a projectile can pass through and hit the main body or if a tank could get directly below the tripod (without being destroyed beforehand) and fire upon the main body, the projectile can reach and destroy the tripod.

[@DutchGuyMike]

Good questions, that I think not even the writers would really know :p

[@emperorrazor7733]

im not a mechanic or anything of that kind, however i know that there are some safety measures for military vehicles, or even the aircraft of the US president, that would rather make a EMP useless or just useful for a few seconds... maybe the call of the Lt. there ("no effect on target!") could be an small EMP bomb within distance to the Uberpods, but not to the military maybe the tripod sensors work like an iron dome and therefore activate by detected threats, or its just a generated like umbrella and theres a small spot, maybe they just deactivade the shields when harvesting

[@ampelogardenboy]

@@emperorrazor7733 would there be a diferrence between a small emp bomb and a bigger (or the biggest one) when it comes to effectivness or is it just a radius thing?

[@RavenVI]

they literally caused worldwide blackouts with the tripods themselves, i doubt trying their own trick against them would work.

[@Muzzle1300]

In the original movie the aliens were nuked but it showed no effect, could be an over sight that the writers didn’t know about the emp effect since this was B&W era movies, but I feel like the idea is that the aliens studied human weapons thoroughly that they knew how to counter our strongest weapons

[@theshakter]

Where did you get all this info??

[@g00n71]

I bet some gorilla attacks could work like deep ditches traps to trip them or tank landmines, ways to get around there shields

[@themagus5906]

Yes! Any walker can be defeated by just tripping them! In the old "Tripods" TV series they brought down one just by moving a few rocks underneath one of the feet, and having it fall over. And once these machines fall over they can't ever get up again.

[@g00n71]

@@themagus5906 i need to get that series on dvd

[@primushan7547]

Aren't the attack helicopters used in the hilltop offensive AH 1 Suoer cobras?

[@marcuzinator3784]

3:00 I may be wrong but the supposed "Apaches" are probably AH-1 Cobras. Specifically one of the older models as it has only 1 exhaust at the back meaning its definitely not aj apache as the Apache has two engines and two exhausts. In thr enxt shot when you see the helicopters opening fire, it is evident that the canopy seems long and curved st the front snd more straight towards the end of the canopy much like the cobra. But gst is just me, I might be wrong. However, in the same shot at 3:58 when they fire their weapons. Play it at 0.25x speed and pause at the helicopters when they fire their weapons, it is seen that they mount a small machine ne gun in the very front of their nose just underneath the optics which could be seen in the Cobra too. For the other Cobra in the shot rhat was the second closest to the camera, it has two intakes mesning two engines, what I would think this would be is the later models such as the AH-1W that has the two intakes but thebitnakes are vertically long so it cant be the AH-1Z. I know that this is such a minor mistake but I just cant help it :>

[@marcuzinator3784]

Sorry for several typos. I am not used to the tiny keyboard of my phone.

[@GIGN-x4d]

Including some f/a-18s from the navy because there are two tails or that’s just a f-22 idk

[@freedomefighterbrony9053]

Those weren’t apaches thiefah1 super Cobras it was a marine division that was fighting the uberpods

[@59rlmccormack]

Hillside battles are rare to see in movies.

[@chrismbf8160]

3:00 thats are Super Cobras from the Marines

[@davidcave7986]

Considering how terrible Boston you'd think the military would just abandoned the city and withdraw to protect somewhere else

[@JesssicaNadine]

Now do war of the worlds goliath

[@Aviciiz]

This is just describing what happens, not really an analysis

[@Genderbend_Sunny]

Thats...Exactly what an analysis is though...

[@Shregurun93]

The military is powerful enough to take down warrior and harvester tripods, but against Uberpods, they stand no chance. Uberpods have a stronger hull and a stronger shield. The Martian emperor/leader definitely wouldn’t send commander class tripods weaker or as the same strength as warrior and harvester class tripods. Doesn’t matter how advanced and powerful the Martian civilisation is, loosing a Martian commander is devastating, just like loosing a human commander in any wars and battles.

[@vanguard6498]

Thats all fanon and not offical.

[@Shregurun93]

@@vanguard6498 just saying what I learnt.

[@SediAgameRbaD]

Technically there is no such thing as impenetrable armour or indestructible tripod. Unless they come from another universe, the force applied to the tripod's hull from all the shots would melt the inside or crack it simply with physics. That's why bulletproof armour against 50. Cal is useless. Also, the tripods would weigh a lot more if they were made of steel thick enough to survive modern tank rounds. Best they can do is something like 500mm, and I suppose they pretty much never bothered adding armour to the hull since they relied on their shields for most of the time. This means they either are less technologically advanced in that area compared to humans, they're dumb or they thought we didn't have a powerful army.

[@Jie_Hua]

Those were two F-15’s and an F-22 as well as an A-10, not F-16’s and A-10’s

[@dawsonkozel4171]

i saw a f16 i’m pretty sure

[@itscoolgame2]

Honestly , they didnt use A-10's and F-16's because theyre not Air Craft Carrier aircraft, and the air fields were probably attacked, so they used Carrier air craft most likely

[@Jie_Hua]

There were two F-15’s, an A-10 and an F-22 flying in the scene

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

I don't get why they keep showing energy shields as being all powerful, any energy shields would be pointless against kinetic weapons, specially high velocity kinetic weapons, not to mention that by that time tactics would have changed, let's face it by that moment even the least experienced officer would have come up with strategies to defeat those things, even I could do it, in less than five minutes.

[@reubenrobson2003]

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[@scott-gaming.8834]

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