The Hinman House: Unraveling HELTER SKELTER Charles Manson Murder

Gary Hinman was the first victim of the "Manson Murders" or the "Helter Skelter" murders of 1969. His body was found on July 31. Manson, Bobby Beulsoleil, Bruce Davis, Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner were all at the scene in at 964 Old Topanga Canyon Road.
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[@Casey-zp9kv]

Yes Gary Hinman is one of the forgotten victims of the Manson Family yet his torture & murder was probably the most horrific of the lot given the time period over days he was held captive. The canyons and hills that surround LA fascinate me, I could watch a drive through them anytime. Great video Scott, ty

[@cindyrussell1581]

Pretty much everyone hardly gets mentioned except Sharon Tate and it really annoys me. R.I P to all the victims.

[@constancewessel3906]

I grew up in San Diego. a city of canyons, so when I see canyons, rocks , oak and palm trees, I feel like I am back home!

[@JimSty-bh1os]

Gary Hinman sounded like a very good, decent man with a gentle and harmless soul. What happened to him was just horrible. I truly hope Bobby B. is *NEVER* paroled and dies in jail for what he did to Mr. Hinman. RIP.

[@alwaystruetoblue]

Beausoleil and Watson must NEVER GET OUT.

[@lindahandley5267]

Back in the 80's I'd read 'Helter Skelter' at night in bed, while my 2 boys and husband slept. I would get up several times to be sure the doors were locked. It was so eerie and unnerving. I could almost feel the desperation of the victims as they realized what their fates were.

[@sandyperkins237]

My dad took the book from me and told me I couldnt read it LOL!!!

[@lindahandley5267]

@@sandyperkins237 I can almost see why! The nightmares!

[@jillgross6232]

I understand that feeling all to well!. I read it as a freshman in high school in 1980, for a history essay. I didn't sleep at night for a few days and after that, hated being alone at night! I was paranoid for years about dying in my own home by strangers. That book can twist you up if you let it! 😊😊😊

[@lindahandley5267]

@@jillgross6232 It was almost too hideous to be real. Sometimes I wonder if people just didn't lock their doors, opened their doors for strangers or they broke in. I can remember as a little girl in the 50's when no one locked the doors on their homes or cars!

[@pamcornelius9122]

I read it when I was around 12 years old. Very unsettling.

[@ChadQuick270W]

Mortgage payment of $13,569 per month? Good God!!! I can’t even fathom that. System shock. Sadly the murder of Gary Hinman often gets forgotten when the Manson family is brought up so I’m glad you made this video.

[@meaghanmcgurn2469]

Even almost 54 years later and so many documentaries and theres still new things to learn. We truly will never know what really went on back then.

[@soso8824]

Read the book CHAOS by Tom O'Neill and download Nikolas Schreck's 50th anniversary Manson murders discussion. Very informative, not to mention shocking revelations.

[@GILBERRful]

@@soso8824 . Well done, and plus the victims knew the killers very well.

[@soso8824]

@@GILBERRful Exactly 💯. I believe that Sebring and Frykowski knew Charles Manson....as does Jim Markham, a protege of Sebring's. Markham revealed in a 2019 interview that Sebring's shop on Fairfax was 'bugged' as in wire-tapped. Markham also said that he believes that Sebring and Frykowski best Manson up during a disagreement concerning drugs that occurred on Thursday, August 6, 1969....the following night the murders happened. Bear in mind that Sebring was known as the 'Candyman' in Hollywood circles. Candy as in drugs. I was shocked when it was disclosed in Brie Tate and Alisa Stratman's book, Restless Souls, that Colonel Paul Tate, during his investigation into his daughter Sharon's murder, that he discovered that Jay Sebring was $250,000.00 in debt. That was a whole lot of money back in 1969. And. Upon visiting Sebring's houseboat in San Francisco, Colonel Paul Tate saw what appeared to be drug-making paraphernalia. Believe me.... Jay was a drug dealer and he was way in over his head.

[@BarbaraAdler-zj4zr]

Maybe it's best that we don't know😢

[@BarbaraAdler-zj4zr]

Wish you would of talked to us during the drive😊

[@cathygiuliana9089]

I remember when this happened Scott, I was 17 yrs old. Thanks for a great video so tastefully done! Much appreciated! You gave Gary Hinman the respect that any deceased person deserves! You are a class act!

[@jeffsilverman6104]

Growing up in L.A. I drove that canyon a hundred times. This proves once again that no one was ever a friend of the "family." You were either a victim, or a mark for drugs and money. God bless all of the fallen who believed otherwise.

[@robtempe]

Linda Ronstadt DID live next door to Gary Hinman at the time of his murder. In fact, the two houses were a stone's throw away and shared a mailbox stand down the hill by their driveways. Hinman at 964 and Ronstadt at 954 Old Topanga Road. Linda was away at the time ironically playing a gig in NYC called The Bitter End.

[@brittanyb5942]

Being in NYC probably saved her life!

[@pamlunn8844]

I am sure hundreds of cars drive past this house every day and don't know what happened there, and the significance of the murder of Gary Hinman. This house was where "Helter Skelter" truly began.

[@scotabot7826]

More like 99.9 percent of the cars/people don't know.

[@lonnietoth5765]

George Harrison had to fly to La. and tell the prosecutors that the Beatles did not write the song to cause civil unrest ! It was about going down a sliding board . " When you get to the bottom , you climb back to the top of the slide , and you stop and you turn and you go for a ride , then you get to the bottom and you do it again again " ! They could have twisted the words to " Over the Rain Bow " to suit their needs .

[@DearlyDepartedTours]

There are some great John Lennon quotes too. Mentioning that Manson is right, he was created by society, "of course he's barmy" (crazy). "What's Helter Skelter got to do with hacking up people?"

[@sugarjoe50]

In Britain, a "Helter Skelter" is a fairground ride. Looks like a lighthouse with a slide circling down from the top.

[@kittykatz4001]

Gracious! I can not imagine what was going through George Harrison’s mind (or any of the Beatles!). They probably though “what is wrong with Americans?”

[@retromoviefan944]

great video! what always amazes me is that these manson family hippies constantly said they were "stoned" and high on various drugs, yet look at the roads they routinely traveled during that era...winding, difficult to find locations, many times at night, and yet they were able to navigate these rather risky areas in the canyons. Your video shows the type of roads these are. Even though they hitch hiked a lot back then, they still drove various vehicles around to these locations, including the Tate house which is also not easy to find even if they'd been there before. This is what has made me doubt their claims of being so "high" that they didn't know what they were doing. People who can traverse these types of locations in a vehicle are highly focused and know what they are doing.

[@pookycat1626]

Yeah, I doubt that I could do it with GPS in the daylight in 2023. 😂

[@soniagardencourtreporter1173]

That's a good point you're making.

[@quickflip7185]

@@pookycat1626 Ikr? haha

[@vahgeuvje10]

Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. Sometimes you can do anything.

[@tonyneal4716]

They were taking a lot of speed which makes you focussed.

[@susanmiller4159]

I’ve seen and read a ton about these murders since my aunt introduced me to Helter Skelter in the early eighties. I honestly think your coverage of the locations and your unique research is so underrated. It is such an education for those of us who have never been to CA. No desert here in Virginia. Thanks so much for all your efforts.

[@LindaCarol-ig2ri]

thank you for remembering Gary and being tasteful re his death. RIP Gary.

[@laurastrobel718]

Chilling... The song and it's psychotic lyrics really add to it. In his book Music For Chameleons, the late Truman Capote included an interview that he did with Bobby Beausoleil. That house is beautiful, sad it was the sight of such horror. Thanks Scott. RIP Gary 🙏🌈🕊️

[@lonnietoth5765]

Psychotic lyrics ? They were writing about going up and down a god damned sliding board ? What the %$#@ is so psychotic about that ? Try comprehending what you hear or did you bother to listen to it ?

[@joanellebracht5311]

​@@lonnietoth5765whatever, it's still trash

[@ryaneugenepeck]

6:18 I would have preferred road noise or Scott humming "Road to Nowhere" over that song.

[@laurastrobel718]

@@ryaneugenepeck The song scared me, it really did. The band did a great job in that aspect. But Road To Nowhere is one of my favorite songs by Talking Heads, nice. 😊👊

[@1sttvbn]

@@ryaneugenepeckcopy that

[@lizzieb1106]

Good research. I always felt sorry for Gary Hinman. He didn't have to be killed. Thanks for taking us on the ride with you. Enjoyed the song, too. You're such a good narrator. Never boring. Thanks for making this.

[@kokettabrown986]

Can we all agree that the number of possible Manson family victims is possibly high than any of us really know. Hinman was one of the most horrific for sure! I think Manson got off on being able to tell HIS people to KILL and they would do it. Some of the most senseless crimes in history,

[@jimsty7550]

RIP Gary Hinman. Rest in paradise, kind soul.

[@Blueskys1972]

Taking this trip on Topanga canyon with you brought back memories for me 😮 My friend and I used to hitchhike from Venice to Topanga to a place that was called twin pools, it's weird how we knew exactly where to pull over and go down. We would stay for the day and hitchhike back, we were 12 or 13 at the time, crazy 70s!! Never thinking about any murders. Kind of creepy now to think about 😮

[@Cheshyre.]

God watched over you guys for sure!

[@jillgross6232]

The 70's were full of freedoms. Heck, parents didn't check on their kids until they were late for dinner. And I'm talking kids under 10. If you were a teenager parents just figured you were with friends. They didn't worry unless you were out past curfew! 😂😂😂😂

[@kittykatz4001]

@@jillgross6232Yep. You are right! Once I went outside to play, my mother gave no thought to where I was or didn’t look for me until dinner time. Fortunately, the most I did was ride my bike all over or go a couple of streets over to play at some other kid’s house. Mom was just glad I wasn’t in the house getting under foot or getting on her nerves. Further, I was “incentivized” to go outside and stay out of the house bec my mother might give me chores to perform!

[@angelabaldwin5460]

I really enjoyed this, but I watch everything you do and love it. You definitely make some of the best documentaries I've ever seen.

[@christylove4834]

Indeed!!

[@thedrunkenfish5855]

I have had the craziest experiences on Topanga canyon and Mulholland drive. It's a hub for strange energy for sure.

[@loganstroganoff1284]

Elaborate damnit!

[@pinecone1321]

What??????

[@BelievingRebel]

Somehow taking that drive made it all real to me. Gary Hinman’s big mistake was befriending the Family. 😞

[@kittykatz4001]

Yeah. 😢 Poor man.

[@lauriewarner4848]

I have been a bystander on this case from day one. My father had keys to SMR and took us there right after Manson was arrested. I went to the gas station right after they found LaBianca wallets there. After marriage I bought a home on Dumetz road off Topanga, and drove by this house every day to work where I designed clothes in LA. It still is interesting to see these places. I wonder if LV Houten will ever re visit these places now that she is free… kind of scary to think about all of this . Thanks for the posts

[@lauriewarner4848]

Wait…. Did you turn off TC to old Topanga Road? This is not where I thought this was at all, or I am remembering this all wro

[@lauriewarner4848]

Yup I have been wrong all these years. There used to be another dark shingled house with the same stairway off main Topanga that I thought was the house. Well we’ll we’ll that is why we need folks like you. Bravo! I am going to check this out tomorrow.

[@joecra4154]

What is SMR?

[@kittykatz4001]

@@joecra4154Ditto. What is SMR?

[@swampmusic9222]

@@joecra4154 Spahn Movie Ranch

[@shirleedanis-lp7pm]

You never disappoint Scott 💫😉 Thank you for sharing new knowledge on this. There's no lights there, scary😮

[@scotthugins7672]

This case is a bottomless pit of fascination for me. I was 4 when this all went down and I remember my parents watching the news - and this it began 🤪

[@kittykatz4001]

I was a few weeks shy of my 6th birthday at the time of the Tate/LaBianca murders, and I don’t recall it at all at the time. However, was older by the time the movie Helter Skelter was broadcast on TV, and I do remember that. I also was old enough to recall coverage of the trial in 1971 and Squeaky Fromme’s attempt on Pres Ford’s life and HER trial. However, in 1969, when the murders took place, I was too young. I don’t think my parents were really paying much attention or talking about it.

[@gueneveregust4904]

Thanks for sharing this video Scott and especially for remembering Amy Crosby. She was a friend of mine 😔🙏🏽

[@marcbolan1818]

Like all or most Cali properties, murder homes or not; the revisions and prices are extraordinary from what they were in 1969.

[@soso8824]

Ain't that the truth. I wish that we could go back to to those prices. For sure.

[@TheHarryleemartin]

Please don't call California "Cali."

[@marcbolan1818]

@@TheHarryleemartin Ha ha, got it.

[@mamajanestarr7286]

Thank you for sharing this! I feel as if i were actually right there with you!! *shudder* it gives me the shivers, but in a good way! Does that make sense? I appreciate you so much for all the hard work you do to bring us the amazing content that you bring! Thank you soo much!!! Oh, and Hey to Troy!! Big ol hugs and love from MamaJane in South Carolina

[@shayevondekempt8566]

So sad what that man went through. I wonder if the house is haunted. I really enjoy your channel Scott. ❤😊

[@Joseph-eu6jp]

Any house that someone was murdered in is going to be haunted with a negative vibe's or demon's, yes it's horrible what happened to Hinman.

[@starr-monkeysurfer8577]

Loved the real time drive. I was born and raised in So. Cal. I remember learning about the murders. I always felt Hinman murder was treated like a footnote. Manson was crazy and the control he had over his commune. As cold as it sounds, I never shed a tear the day Manson died. All involved should never be paroled.

[@sabinabirnie3761]

I’m amazed that Leslie Van Houten has been released after all these years, I think she’s been out for a few weeks……..Just unbelievable.

[@starr-monkeysurfer8577]

@@sabinabirnie3761 it really is unbelievable. They all were sentenced to death. Calif overturned the death penalty. They all should never come up for parole.

[@sabinabirnie3761]

@@starr-monkeysurfer8577 totally agree!

[@donaldgasser1531]

@@joenickell6323 Agree. I'll leave all of the judgement to a higher power.

[@starr-monkeysurfer8577]

@@joenickell6323 we shall agree to disagree when it comes to Van Houten. I personally know someone that was in that house before Tate and her friends were slaughtered. He rented it with Terry Melcher. Was at the house when Melcher turned Manson down for recording Manson’s music. Person I know, all these years later, has PTSD, a virtual prisoner to his many homes. Manson’s clan has contacted him and they keep trying. Like I said, we will agree to disagree.

[@marcusbell5383]

Always great to hear your docs and stories.Gary definitely is the forgotten victim god bless him

[@beandipcartography]

My thinking is that Hinman didn't "burn" Beausoleil on the deal (intentionally or otherwise) because he probably knew enough about Charlie and his followers to not cross them. I think the Manson freaks were just desperate for cash.

[@kittykatz4001]

It doesn’t make sense or add up to me that Hinman deliberately tried to “rob” via a bad drug deal or deliberately “cheat” Bobby B. Whether Bobby was a “family” member, was was known to be associated with Manson’s crew. It doesn’t make sense. Hinman tested them as friends and was kind to them. It doesn’t make sense that he would deliberately try to cheat them.

[@indiandaeng]

Likely the Straight Satan's figured they could intimidate Bobby and get the already used drugs for free.

[@aprilgosa5779]

If They HADN'T Let Manson Out Of Prison That Last Time in 1967 He Would Have Not Been Able To Build His "Family" And The Innocent Victims Would Be Alive

[@karentarr8930]

Ty Scott for always remembering these murders and bringing light to these horrific crimes

[@Bojackbatzli]

Pretty sad what henman went through. 5 days wow , stitched up with dental floss. No one deserves that. So sorry to all the victims

[@tammieastman9997]

I never really heard a lot about Gary hinman, possibly because everyone was more focused on the Tate-LaBianca murders. This was interesting and a beautiful journey! Thanks for sharing.

[@kittykatz4001]

Vince Bugliosi was more concerned with the Tate/LaBianca murders to persecute, more advantageous to his career and personal noteriety 😢😮

[@jujulionesselsa1416]

It most definitely has a spooky creepy feel to it 😮.

[@jmuhles]

Great video, Scott. Taking us along for the ride gives a really personal touch. Very enjoyable.

[@angelarowe3472]

Thank you so much for bringing this out. This poor young man at the time didn’t get the recognition that he should have in the mess that Manson made for himself and that of others but getting back to this, Gary I think it’s so sad because nobody even bothered to check on him. I guess he didn’t have any family members or even any friends for that matter, that would make sense why he would even get mixed up in that with the kind of people that they were anyways but thank you for bringing this out, you take care and be safe.🤠

[@pookycat1626]

I bet that place is haunted. I wouldn’t want to live there by myself. 😳

[@kittykatz4001]

Me either.

[@loganstroganoff1284]

I eat a lot of fiber rich foods so i spend a lot of time on the crap tub.

[@GumpSpelunk]

...yer vids are always informative..with maps..pics..narratives..and on location scenes..awesome job! 🇺🇸🎥😎📺🏴‍☠️

[@brittanyb5942]

I would NEVER buy that house! EVER!!

[@rongenung]

It is interesting that good old "love your brother" Charlie Manson gave the order to kill Gary Hinman over MONEY. Why did Charlie hate Terry Melcher? Because Charlie thought he thwarted his attempt to become a wealthy successful singer/songwriter. So much for Manson's disdain for the material things in life. Poor Hinman got mixed up with some very bad people. Excellent video. I had no idea it was such a long drive from Malibu. Manson sure left his mark on the L.A. area!

[@hollylynn9322]

👻a haunted canyon for sure, i can juz imagine how many dead bodies and weapons are hidden in all that shrubbery😱

[@syreetaabney6968]

Scott another great video . this was so intense to see the house that Hinman was killed in.

[@darrelljohnston8676]

Wow that area looks like it ready to bust into flames. Did the sellers of the house have to disclose there was a murder there? The last bit of music was pretty cool and creepy.

[@DearlyDepartedTours]

In CA the real estate people only have to divulge that information for 7 years after the event. But... if you buy a house without googling the address first, well, that wouldn't be wise.

[@kittykatz4001]

@@DearlyDepartedToursI used to work in the local history collection in a certain town. Ppl used to come in to use the resources to perform history searches for their houses. Often the staff (myself included) would enter the person’s home address (of the house being researched) into search box for the Proquest online local newspaper to see if the house was mentioned in the news 🗞️.

[@ShannonLee1956]

I actually dig the drive, reminds me of going on google earth and "driving" around places I know I'll never get to go to in person. My mom had those same encyclopedias, she got them from her grandma who was a school teacher, I sure wish I had them now!

[@ruthluckoff388]

Great job Scott! Your videos are the best. You have a voice that is very expressive and real. A true professional. Thanks for uploading.

[@kittykatz4001]

He really does have a great voice! He could make a “side” hustle reading audio books!

[@ararepenny2739]

Even thought this video is based on a tragic story I enjoyed the drive down Topanga Cyn. Brought back memories for me from the late 60's through the mid 80's. I also enjoyed the music choice for the ride. Thank you for sharing, and God rest souls of all the victims in this tragic happening.

[@russellbarnes7728]

A good one, Scott! Stay the course, young man! I still love the "Six Degrees" soundtrack. To me it's mesmerizing, having witnessed the entire Manson family ordeal.

[@discoverthis]

Thank you for doing this, really enjoyed it. You don't always get to hear much about Gary Hinman or Shorty Shea. Thanks Scott!!

[@kittykatz4001]

Vince Bugliosi didn’t care, as a prosecutor, about prosecuting for Gary Hi man’s murder. Didn’t see it as “advantageous” to his career and personal noteriety. 😢

[@NicholasShade-eq1ts]

Thanks for the upload. I think this is the first time I seen it. Keep the uploads coming. Love and light from Gore, Oklahoma.♥️🕯️

[@ticketyblue3080]

You have a very nice voiceover voice.

[@Akahele]

Six degrees of Helter skelter is one of the greatest documentaries I’ve ever seen. Great work.

[@user-di8hm2jl2u]

Those psychopaths should never see the light of day. Pure evil.

[@vahgeuvje10]

Stiching up his face with dental floss sounds like torture, not benevolent

[@crazy4277]

Thank you Scott!

[@SISSYKAY]

That was a calm and relaxing ride and with beautiful scenery. Thanks for the story and the ride.

[@Bobbygambone7154]

I never understood even to this day that none of the houses above, below n adjacent to Sharon’s house never heard the screams n gunshots

[@christine7956]

How did the Tate victims not hear Stephen Parent being shot?

[@Zeke1379]

@@christine7956 not just that but william garretson was in the guest house and apparently had a large dog there with him...I'm sure the dog would have heard commotion....

[@christine7956]

@@Zeke1379 It's baffling!

[@ChefRonLock]

I always had a gut feeling william garretson had some connection with Manson or one of the followers for some reason.

[@flop2100]

It looks totally different now. Thanks for the journey.

[@WrayEllis]

Nice to hear the late Amy Crosby again. I happened to be on the same tour as Shitting Glitter - which went deliciously long because we were having such a great time. Still the best time I've ever had in California. Thanks again Scott!

[@DearlyDepartedTours]

Nice to see you, Wray!

[@heatherrau2236]

These crimes never should have happened rip to all the victims prayers for the family and friends of the victims

[@themadisonian5176]

That was a very eerie drive 😮

[@brittanyb5942]

Imagine driving it at night 😖

[@lotstodo]

If I ever leave so California, I'll watch your driving videos out of nostalgia.

[@teresanicholson6241]

Thank you so much for these I’m from Australia so it’s interesting to see the different places ❤

[@maurad5378]

Really love your channel!

[@SheilaRiley-ug9pb]

Thank you Scott for this. Mr. Hinman j ed's to be remembered. He's always been overlooked. That drive there was so neat.

[@melissabarriebrown9008]

Love all your content Scott!

[@cathpeterson1944]

luv the drive thru Topanga Canyon, I learned so much from your documentaries Scott 👍🏻 excellent

[@artsahobby123]

When does Bernard Crow tying down Mary Brunner to his bed for ransom, fit into this timline? Obviously happened before. They don't talk about the fact that Charlie saved Mary's life & she went on to testify against him like all the women in this case.

[@chowchops]

That Hinman court exhibit mannequin scares the living crap outta me.

[@reneeo7736]

I always enjoy your videos, especially when it comes to the Hinman/Tate/LaBianca murders. Great job, Scott!

[@lillibet7432]

Thank you, Scott. Love your presentation. And the silence was deafening. Great work.

[@aimeemader6645]

Very interesting. Its important part of history.Has anyone wrote a book on Gary?

[@MadMax76er]

Hi Scott, have you seen Hollywood Graveyards latest video detailing the vault of the Chapel of the Pines? They managed to locate some Hollywood stars located there and have them reinterred where they can be now seen, its a great watch👍

[@DearlyDepartedTours]

Yes I have and you're right. It's brilliant!

[@lvredgrl5201]

Everything that Mr. Dark puts out is brilliant.

[@marinawilliams7477]

expensive or cheap, i would never buy this house😢

[@brittanyb5942]

Me either!

[@MRVISTA-wz7vj]

Never fails. This pops up. I'm down the hole. 😂😂😂😂as always. Great Stuff!!! Thx🎉🎉🎉

[@CaptainBorax]

Love it, looks like there used to be a wooden staircase in the center of the yard from the street. I've been to Gary's grave, right next to his mom at Rosebud Cemetary in Glenwood Springs, CO. I think they were from Grand Junction originally? GWS is where Doc Holiday lived and died of TB back in the 1800s. Cool old westy town with hotsprings. Ted Bundy escaped from the jail there as well, went on to kill 4 more people, yikes

[@Jeffsafe]

Interesting drive up from Malibu. That entire area is a tinderbox. I wish the seller all the luck on unloading it and I even more so wish the buyers luck in paying the annual Fire policy on that property.

[@heathermanning5368]

Thanks for Sharing! Excellent videos as always!

[@Krencik68]

I really like your channel. I bought your 6 degrees documentary. Very chilling, the creepiest part is when you go out to barker ranch. It would be cool if you did one on shorty shea

[@jerrydavila5647]

13:38 turns left on another road. Looks spooky even during the day. Woudnt want to drive this road at night by myself 🥺

[@kittykatz4001]

Exactly! It seems unbelievable that a bunch stoned ppl drove those twisty roads, BUT were Soooo high at the time they killed all of those ppl, they just didn’t “know” what they were doing…

[@SueDykema]

Thank you so much for your videos. They are so informative and the actual locations and the actual route the person took are incredible. I feel I'm going back in time, to 1969. Even though I was five years old at the time. The videos bring back the sadness and horror of the Manson murders, along with grief. I hope all the victims are somehow at peace. I've wondered if people who are murdered get a chance to reincarnate.

[@stevesutherland6232]

These video drives are so interesting

[@runedharma22]

I lived in SoCal in the 1960s. I remember well the weirdness that consumed the atmosphere of the Manson Murders. I feel like Beausoliel driving to Hinman's house, and the merry band of murderers.

[@georgeadams8230]

Crazy story almost sounds like a trial run, I was 14 years old during the murders and lived 30 miles away, it becomes part of your life story, I remember the fear everyone felt. It's a shame the way the victims were portrayed in the media calling it a "weirdo orgy" and alluding that they somehow deserved it for their lifestyle choices. I dont know how much more can be learned but Scott does a great job, so much we will never know for sure. If those audio tapes from Tex Watson are ever found we may learn more.still after over 50 years it is still very sad.

[@katemaloney4296]

I read somewhere that Gary was supposed to go back to Colorado right around the time he was murdered. I don't know why he changed his mind and stayed. As for the drug-burn, I read that supposedly he had sold Beausoleil some bad mescaline and they were trying to get the money back but found out that Gary had come into a large amount of money and wanted that instead. Personally, I think Beausoleil either took the mescaline for himself or he sold it to get some quick cash. Knowing that he was in a world of deep kimschi, he told Manson that Gary sold him some bad stuff. I think everything can be traced back to Beausoleil who was not exactly the brightest crayon in the box.

[@ocalagator2813]

The bad mescaline story came out 12 years after the Hinman murder I think Manson thought Hinman inherited a large sum of money and wanted it. Susan Atkins said she was told they were going there to get the inheritance money and had not heard anything about a bad drug deal. Beausoleil supposedly admitted the bad mescaline story was a lie in 1998 but I haven't seen any confirmation of that as of yet.

[@kittykatz4001]

I agree. It doesn’t add up to me for Hinman to deliberately cheat the Mansons crew over some drugs sales. He treated them like friends, was kind to some of them in the past giving them $, letting some of them use his car and stay in his house etc. Also, from the descriptions of his personality etc and being kind to the Manson folks, it doesn’t add up that he would cheat them on drug sales or knowing peddle “bad “ dope to them. IK humans are capable of doing ANYTHING, including doing stuff that makes no sense, but this seems weird for him to deliberately cheat them over some dope.

[@ocalagator2813]

@@kittykatz4001 It's possible he could have sold them bad dope or been the middle man in a bad dope deal but the fact that story was never told until years later tends to make me think it's bullshit invented to make the murder look less heinous than it was. Retribution vs straight kidnapping and extortion.

[@johnperiard9594]

This music is freaky.

[@freddieblue6351]

Luckily, Linda was in NYC singing at the Bottom Line when it happened. Great presentation!!!

[@kittykatz4001]

IKR? Whew! Good thing she wasn’t at home!

[@Christine-fo3bo]

Great vlog, Scott! I thought I knew everything about this crime but didn't know that about Linda Ronstadt. I have a feeling most in both Topanga and Laurel Canyon knew about them too.

[@Skunkape74]

You weren't joking when you said it was a long drive lol... Thanks for sharing!!!!

[@kittykatz4001]

I have a hard time believing that Gary Hinman really “burned” Bobby B. or the Manson “family members” with drugs. He was frequently kind to them, saw them as friends. I’m not trying to paint Hinman as an angel, but just how he is described, and his “kindness” to the Mansons, it doesn’t add up to me that he would deliberately cheat them over drug sales etc.

[@hanselmansell7555]

Another great vid, love the way you do abit of chatting and info etc and then just music and visuals.. loving this channel 👍🇬🇧

[@jude999]

None of these people can live in a simple house with character, they always have to blow it up into a McMansion.

[@christyhallberg]

Another great video. I feel so lucky to have been able to visit Gary's house on a tour with Scott, who is THE Manson Murders guru, y'all.

[@Commander-McBragg]

Beausoleil (not sure if I spelled it right) is now out of prison. He got an electrical science degree in prison and sold technology to Casio for their early synthesizers. He played with many prison bands.

[@JohnnyBlueJeans55]

Yeah. That’s BS. He’s still in Vacaville. Do some research.

[@kashesan]

The drive is so cool-probably looks the same in many ways. Creepy and hypnotizing. Thank you for posting.

[@lisaellis6291]

Thank you for always sharing and providing information. I really felt as if I was in the car making the drive e myself. I love your channel. So just take Topanga Canyon all the way?

[@lisasharf1442]

I enjoyed the drive. I miss California…😢 Would love to see a post on Shorty Shea, and Van Houten’s attorney (Ronald something?). Two other forgotten victims of the Manson gang.

[@TLS93]

The road traveled reminds me of route 52 in McDowell County West Virginia

[@jlbaker2000]

Wish he had never had an involvement with those freaks. Gary Hinman was a brilliant artist and the Manson group was beneath him.