The Historical Mystery of the Kalabhras with Shri T. S Krishnan

The first flowering of classical civilization in Tamizh country finds expression in the poetry and songs of the Sangam Age, which is commonly held to be between the second century BCE and second century CE. After this period, a strange dynasty of mysterious rulers are said to have come from somewhere and deposed the traditional 3 Kings - Chera, Chozha, Pandya - and ruled Tamizhagam for centuries.
During this period, they neither gave any grants, constructed no lasting monuments, no poets sang of them. This is the 'Dark Age', a period of mystery when the curtain of hidden history is said to have been drawn upon the Tamizh country. When the curtain lifts, in the early 5th century CE, the Pandya and Pallava kings left inscriptions claiming to have subdued this dynasty. From here onwards, the Kalabhras just disappear from historical, as mysteriously as they arose.
In this podcast, we invite Shri T S Krishnan, historian and Tamizh scholar, to shed light on this mysterious people and find out if they are really as much of an enigma as is popularly assumed.
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[@chakravaham]

You have shed a lot of light on this age of darkness!! 🙏🏽

[@sgsgsg1050]

A very illuminating interview, between two stalwarts with a passion to look for historical evidences of the Kalabhras in Tamizhakam.

[@jayarama5489]

Thank you for the valuable information T S Krishnan sir

[@JohnDoe-ry4kv]

Thank you for this very informative podcast sir 🙏🙏

[@karunanidhiramaswamy8702]

Excellant information about kalabras sir. thanks. kalabras' ancestral god is thirumaal called mahaavishnu, srikrishna. acchutha (அச்சுதன்) Is the another name of Lord thirumaal. since kalabraas are kalvar vamsam, they worshipped their ancestor i.e, thirumaal. one of the sangam literature.. kaliththogai mensions about ' Thirumaal' as "முல்லைத் தினையின் தலைவன், (திரு) 'மால்' எனும் 'மாயோன்', கள்வன். கையில் வளரியை (chakra) ஆயுதமாகக் கொண்டவன். கரிய நிறத்தவன். Hence, Kalabras, in the initial period of their kingdom, the royals named themselves as Acchutha and worshipped Lord Thirumaal/Srikrishna/mahaavishnu. Kalabras defeated the three kings.. i.e., chera, sozha, paandyas put them into prison ( kalabras did not kill any of the three tamil rayal kings..chera, chozha, pandiya) and asked the three kings to praise the kalabra king who defeated them. two of the thamil kings mrs is.. as they were not hand cuffed. one king praised the kalabra king with double meaning, one of which was indirectly degrading the kalabra king. hence, he was hand cuffed and put into prison and the other two kings were not handcuffed but put into prison. this shows their magnanimity. As regards the other 7 velirs, one.... the kodumbalur be put also belongs to kalvar vamsam as mentioned be the great Historian Nilakanda saasthrigal, in his Colas, and the great Mahadevan also mentioned Kodumbalur velir as kalvar in his kodumbalur velir varalaru(history). Sangam poet kabilar says that kodumbalur velir royal Irungovel as 49th decesdent of Lord Krishna, who ruled thuvaragapuri. Also, sundaramurthy nayanar, Sekkizhaar, nambiyaandaar nambi have mentioned that kodumbalur velirs are the ancestor of cholas. Also, historical records says that kodumbalur velirs are the ancestor of hoisalas, chalukkiyas.

[@subbus2631]

Nice pod cast

[@srebalanandasivam9563]

26:00 the learned speaker doesn't count the kadambas as a factor during the weakening of the satavahanas. He mentions Chalukyas and pallavas for his hypothesis of southward migration of kalabhras.

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[@keshavkk479]

Yea they both playing intelligent divortion of history, they don't want to accept kannadigas ruled them all for 3 centuries and cholas and other were under their courtesy

[@srebalanandasivam9563]

@@keshavkk479 Kannada as a language originated circa 350ad and the first proof emerges in the Halmidi inscriptions 442ad. The Kanarese language is wholly a late Kadamba enterprise to begin with. So it's not fair to call Kalabhras as 'Kannadiga' but you can call them as proto dravida stock or proto Tamil cohorts coming from the present Andhra region.

[@keshavkk479]

@@srebalanandasivam9563 kannada script and words found even in Ashoka inscriptions, oldest full fledged inscriptions of solely kannada found in 350ad, doesn't it mean people invented script then invented language for it..fool. Telugu inscriptions are even later then this. Elevated land north to konga region untill godavari were kannada. And your proto Tamil and Telugu never existed around there. Even Roman plays acted in alexandria called by name 'Charition mime' has kannada dialogues. Sanskrit developed is script very late after rigveda, does it mean Sanskrit never existed before? You fool. Your airavata mahadevan stated''Kannada personal names and place names in the early Prakrit inscriptions on stone and copper in Upper South India [...] Kannada was spoken by relatively large and well-settled populations, living in well-organised states ruled by able dynasties like the Satavahanas, with a high degree of civilisation [...] There is, therefore, no reason to believe that these languages had less rich or less expressive oral traditions than Tamil had towards the end of its pre-literate period." And also The Greek geographer Ptolemy (150 AD) mentions places such as Badiamaioi (Badami), Inde (Indi), Kalligeris (Kalkeri), Modogoulla (Mudagal), Petrigala (Pattadakal), Hippokoura (Huvina Hipparagi), Nagarouris (Nagur), Tabaso (Tavasi), Tiripangalida (Gadahinglai), Soubouttou or Sabatha (Savadi), Banaouase (Banavasi), Thogorum (Tagara), Biathana (Paithan), Sirimalaga (Malkhed), Aloe (Ellapur) and Pasage (Palasige).[44] He mentions a Satavahana king Sire Polemaios, who is identified with Sri Pulumayi (or Pulumavi), whose name is derived from the Kannada word for Puli, meaning tiger. Some scholars indicate that the name Pulumayi is actually Kannada's 'Puli Maiyi' or 'One with the body of a tiger' indicating native Kannada origin for the Satavahanas.[45] Pai identifies all the 10 cities mentioned by Ptolemy (100-170 AD) as lying between the river Benda (or Binda) or Bhima river in the north and Banaouasei (Banavasi) in the south, viz. Nagarouris (Nagur), Tabaso (Tavasi), Inde (Indi), Tiripangalida (Gadhinglaj), Hippokoura (Huvina Hipparagi), Soubouttou (Savadi), Sirimalaga (Malkhed), Kalligeris (Kalkeri), Modogoulla (Mudgal) and Petirgala (Pattadakal), as being located in Northern Karnataka which signify the existence of Kannada place names (and the language and culture) in the southern Kuntala region during the reign of Vasishtiputra Pulumayi (c. 85-125 AD, i.e., late 1st century - early 2nd century AD) who was ruling from Paithan in the north and his son, prince Vilivaya-kura or Pulumayi Kumara was ruling from Huvina Hipparagi in present Karnataka in the south.[46] An early ancestor of Kannada (or a related language) may have been spoken by Indian traders in Roman-era Egypt and it may account for the Indian-language passages in the ancient Greek play known as the Charition mime.[47]

[@vijay2856]

श्रीमान एक संपुर्ण तमिळ इतिहास पर एक एपिसोड पनाये

[@srebalanandasivam9563]

30:00 Saivas during their bhakti movement were seeking revenge for the injustice wrecked upon them by the Jains and their kalabhra patrons

[@dcmhsotaeh]

All areas of Bharath are great but time and again it is seen that Karrnataka has been the birthplace the raja supplier of india Kalabras from karnataka ruled Tamil nadu for centuries Vengi chalukyas from karnataka ruled andhra for centuries Kakatiya dynasty of Andhra started by family from kakati village in north karnataka Konkan and Sahyadri areas of maharastra ruled by Kadamba.dynasty of karnataka Mumbai built by shilahara karnataka dynasty Kolhapur bult by Kannada shilahara dynasty Magarastra and gujarat ruled for several centuries by Kannada karnataka origin Chalukya dynasty Maharastra central indi5 north india up to kannauj ruled by Kannada Karnataka origin rastrakoota dynasty Vidharbha ruled by Kannada Karnataka origin seuna dynasty Bengal ruled for 250 years by karnataka origin Sena dynasty Bihar ruled by karnataka origin Mithila dynasty for centuries Nanyadeva Nepals greatest king was from karmataka Madurai ruled by karnataka origin vijayagara dynasty Chennai built by chennappa naika of vijaynagar empire Jai Karnataka Jai Tamilnadu Jai Bhaarath

[@Pk-bj5wu]

Actually Kalabrahs r from Tamil speaking areas of modern day Karanataka

[@Pk-bj5wu]

Hoysalas also have Tamil origin

[@srebalanandasivam9563]

Kalabhra era will be regarded as "the Dark Age of Tamilakam" till we can establish the entire lineage and geography of all the mandalams. The origins and downfall remain shrouded in darkness too.

[@keshavkk479]

Fall of kalabras links with raise of later pallavas. Check them out, very intresting

[@KK-bg2hp]

Kalabrahs are Tamils and they were not Kannadigas

[@keshavkk479]

Then why themselves recognise themselves as karnatakas? It actually makes sense. After raise of mayuravarm's kadamba rose to power, who were Jain's basically shot one-off shoot from Hassan's shravana belagola to Tamil reagion, im not saying chera,chola and pandyas were weak then but those kannada raiders were strong then these rulers. Then started to implement their culture and later in Tamil too. So it is not bad to accept history and it's truth

[@samayasarjain4559]

The Kalabhras were *Buddhist and Jain Kings !!*

[@srebalanandasivam9563]

And few were ajivaka too in religious persuasion

[@VashishthaSinghKalchuri108]

Kalabhara is a son clan of kalchuri empire.

[@samayasarjain4559]

@@VashishthaSinghKalchuri108 Yes, and the *"Kalabhras and the Kalchuries"* were *Jain Empires* and Dynasties.

[@vinpatrel7517]

Is there a possibility that they were the southward expansion of the Huns, who were responsible for the decline of the Gupta

[@samayasarjain4559]

@@vinpatrel7517 They were Jain Kings. And, many of them were from South !!

[@srebalanandasivam9563]

Kalabhra rulers were atheists thus staunch Jaina, Buddhist and Ajivaka in persuasion. Later they converted to Saiva and Vaishnava communities

[@sskgrs]

The descendants of Kalabhras are Tamil vellalars today. The kalabhras may have migrated to western india from Middle-east/Southern europe prior to the Aryan migration and if you review the Haplogroup J-M172 which is high in tamil vellalars over any other group in India.

[@KK-bg2hp]

I think they come from Tamil speaking regions of Karnataka

[@karthikrajagopalan5130]

Yes, we can find Tamil inscriptions in Sravanabelagola, Chikmagalur, Shimoga etc during that era.