The Dark Age of Tamil History and the arrival of the Kalabhras

[@AshwiniKumarS]

There is one very important contribution of kalabhra period or kalapirar in tamil that makes many to deny the period to be dark ages. The aiperumkapiyangal or the 5 great epics that include silapathikaram was written during this period

[@max-cs9ko]

Only reason why Kalbhara declared dark age of Tamil by historian because they were follower of Buddhist, tbh that period was golden age of Tamil history

[@AshwiniKumarS]

@@max-cs9ko there are no golden periods in history, both golden and dark periods are contextual

[@alpha-vs1fx]

​@@AshwiniKumarSsometimes there's a period when a civilization thrives and people live good lives , in Indian culture it's known as Ram rajya , in English it's golden age.

[@shubhammeena5177]

@@max-cs9ko I don't think we know that for sure, can only speculate, cancelling of land grants to brahmins could be a one-off thing not the norm. maybe these brahmins preffered pandyas over kalabhras.

[@shubhammeena5177]

@@max-cs9ko It's called dark age because we have very little extant inscriptions from this time.

[@privatechannel875]

Your videos are valuable for both, those interested in history as a hobby and those looking for a more serious treatment of the subject. Thank you and keep up the good work 👍👍

[@vg2812]

I was waiting for a proper video on kalabhras for a while now. Thanks for the video

[@vasudhruw6843]

Sir can you make video on origin of Gujar prithihar and their conflict with arab 😊

[@hydraempireff8972]

🍷🗿

[@literallynothinghere9089]

I second this request sir

[@yaminikantasahoo556]

Is there any link between Kalabhras and Kalingan King Kharavela? The description of his war on tamil kingdoms in Hathigumpha inscription seems to have some resemblance with kalabhras invason.

[@AshwiniKumarS]

Hathigumpa inscription only mentions chera, chola pandiya and athiyaman kings to be away from kharavela's rule and friendly. Kalabhra in Tamil is kalapirar, in that word you might not see similarity to kharavela.

[@shubhammeena5177]

@@AshwiniKumarS What does this word mean?

[@AshwiniKumarS]

@@shubhammeena5177 which word?

[@AshwiniKumarS]

@@shubhammeena5177 I hope you are asking kalapirar. The most accepted etymology is kal`appu eerar, kal`appu meaning mixed, eerar meaning race. Mixed race. Another alternative etymology is kal`am meaning field, irar meaning race, kind of from the fields, this theory sees kalabhra as beginning from peasant movement where smaller tribal lords who served chola, chera, pandya armies revolt.

[@AshwiniKumarS]

Interestingly even kharavela would have a meaning in tamil. Khara means dark usually used to describe dark clouds, Vela is a weapon of lord muruga also, the small royalties are referred as vellir

[@vanshbeniwal1662]

SUGGESTIONS - History of Karkota Empire And is the extent of empire mentioned in kalhana text real or exaggerated

[@jayachandrans.n.2827]

Dark age of Tamilakam was the period between 1323 AD to 1371AD. The period of Madurai suthanate . During that time religious beliefs, culture, language,art forms ,temples were all in a condition of seige. This chapter is put under carpet by all. Bring it to day light.

[@keshavsinghal3292]

So chad

[@ogKrisht]

finally someone with a backbone!

[@sathiskumar911]

After this time Tamil nadu saw a dark age where old Tamil cultural practice were degraded, fully lost of Buddhism jainism ajivikaism in Tamil land. And saw full fledged vedic culture spread.

[@adityasharan9568]

Abe jaa, Sanghi Historian

[@ogKrisht]

@@sathiskumar911 yes they were trying to get moral victory over turk people who had no morals

[@vurevu1017]

The KalaBhras were of Kannada in origin After defeating the kaLabharas, all kaLabhra's records were destroyed That is why there are relatively less or negligible administrative records during that period. The aLabhras rise to suppress the atrocities of cholas on Vokkaliars (Peasants in Kannada) Also, the kaLabhras were jains and vessels of Western Gangas

[@markaxworthy2508]

Another wonderfully clear exposition.

[@shivamvishnu5539]

Kalabhras were most likely Jains and likely patronized Jain monks instead of Brahmins. Jainism was dominant in this period of Tamil history. Not sure if it was a dark period for Tamil since a lot of literature including Silapathikaram was composed in this period. Unfortunately these guys did not leave behind a lot of records about themselves and hence have been forgotten by history.

[@GuanhuagLee]

It was dark period for Brahmins only not commoners

[@elton123432]

More videos on Tamil history Please ! : )

[@contemporarymatters8106]

We need more such expositions on Indian history from the south which are not widely discussed.

[@srikanthmarakanti276]

Real dark age for Tamil is right now politicians want to eradicate local religious beliefs over foreign religions

[@mohansheshu4049]

This is true realisation

[@siddharthkaushik7665]

Christian missionaries

[@kumar.193]

When age-old beliefs like false supremacy of brahmins, priests are appointed based on training instead of by birth, loss of ability to manipute general population in the name of god, brahmins are bound to shout from rooftop disgruntled by loss of centuries of artificial supremacy.

[@kumar.193]

When age-old beliefs like false supremacy of brahmins, priests are appointed based on training instead of by birth, loss of ability to manipute general population in the name of god, brahmins are bound to shout from rooftop disgruntled by loss of centuries of artificial supremacy.

[@vasuvasudevan1827]

My late grandmother use to recall a schism between the Brahmanas of Madurai in the late nineteenth century - one group was called the 'kadaambi' kootam (group) and the other, the 'kalabra" (no extended a in the second syllable) kootam. I've always wondered if this had anything at all to do with the kalaabra of thirteen centuries past. I'll leave out which group she was from 🙂

[@ShivaprakashYaragal]

This is awesome. Even I didn’t know they exist … these are very rare things… even as history of Karnataka we don’t read them

[@shivashankar-xy8zm]

Pandyas seems to be active during that time . Sinhala texts mentions some of thier activities.

[@times2508]

Omg the uninvited seethe on this video is enough for me to judge the people.

[@ravikumarrshetty6345]

Kalabhras are kannada origin people who ruled more than 300 years and during that time Tamil literature flourished and people live happily under Kannada rulers

[@chezhiyangovindasamy5913]

Sorry no literature evolved in case no one were allowed to learn like the period of Krishna deva rayan Since his period tamil were not allowed to read and write tamil that is how Stalin came to rule tamilnadu

[@Che_Guna]

Dark age for Brahmins not for tamil language and tamil People

[@kalyanidinesh9679]

Kalabhras were from tungabadra regions

[@shivjogdand3968]

Make a video about mittani and from where they split up from Indo Aryans.

[@shaktiprasadsethi5914]

Plz make a video on Temples how did they play important role in Early mediaeval India History.

[@JayVardhanSingh]

Thanks for the suggestion, will try to make a video on it

[@parjanyashukla176]

So the Kalabhras were basically Jain warriors?

[@Che_Guna]

Yes they were mostly Jain's but admired and respected Buddha philosophy

[@bhanupratap1063]

​​@@Che_GunaThey must be atheists who had sympathy for Jain and Buddhists. That's why their entire history was intentionally destroyed by Brahmans.

[@GuanhuagLee]

Jain and Buddhist

[@asifhassan4980]

Most of Scribes has been "Brahmins" or Budhist or Jain Monks throuout the history hence whatever they wrote has a motive of propagating their own and Denigrating the other opposing ideologies

[@sssun7]

There has been quite a substantial numismatic research of this so called dark ages by many well known scholars, like dr. Krishnamorthy, the editor of tamil newspaper dinamalar. Pls refer to those research and expand your aricle. Ty.

[@indianatlarge]

During War the landowning communities gave Generals who swore the loyalty to different royal clans from time to time ... and when in peace the generals had their foot soldiers working in the farms as peasants ! Is this accurate or a gross generalization

[@ogKrisht]

Came across somewhere that the title for one of those Kalabhra kings translated to an idol breaker.

[@vinod.19]

Jay bhai ... please make a video on dating of Sandrocottos of Megasthenese.

[@ayushkumarsingh3029]

Check Ashoka rock edict 13 It mentions Greek kings of Middle East and balkans ruling in third century bce It helps in dating mauryans

[@-rate6326]

Are you trying to say "Chandragupta" by holding your tongue with your fingers

[@GuanhuagLee]

​@@-rate6326Greek word was Sandrocottus

[@venkateshu8715]

Superb ❤️

[@karthikeyantm800]

Kindly do an episode on failed Mauriyan invasion on ancient tamilagam . Read the above information in bits and pieces and found it very interesting.

[@bhanupratap1063]

It was not even an serious attempt.

[@-rate6326]

We don't have sources. Only propoganda war of Kalinga is best known

[@sunitabajpai4690]

Can you make a video on the findings in excavations of the rama janmabhumi temple , ayodhya?

[@balakrishnanrajagopal9630]

thank you, awesome . when did corruption or anti corruption literature or champions came in please

[@Archi.x002]

Please make some videos about cheras (first and second chera empires)

[@girishk2712]

KaLabhras were from Karnataka they were mentioned as KarNatakAvar They were Jains and supported the Peasants revolutions Their work was destroyed by chslukyas, pallavas, pandians

[@Agnostic7773]

Also shaivas

[@hanumanthagnostic4402]

You know one thing, Kalabhras studied Marxism from Russia.... And god support from stalin

[@girishk2712]

People with poor history and loads of political exposure will find truth strange

[@50centgamer65]

They are also shaivas

[@GuanhuagLee]

Destroyed by Pallavas

[@sssun7]

Which tamil grammar book you mentioning here as a source of kalabaras? Is it nannool?

[@chezhiyangovindasamy5913]

Kalabra means kalavaram Kalavaram means mutiny or revolution. The people had revolted against monarch It can be based on religion probably Buddhism or Jainism or any other for their freedom

[@akitodaisuke6532]

He comes when we need him most

[@Nritya-Natya]

extremely interesting

[@laxmivasudevan7576]

Pallava dynasty ? . Equally important . Mahendra Pallava and Narasimha Pallava were well known Pallava great kings . Mahabalipuram rock statues stand testimony to Pallava dynasty .

[@JayVardhanSingh]

We will soon cover the Pallava history as well.

[@ayushkumarsingh3029]

Please make a video on why there is no architectural remains from the period of c,1500 bce to 274 bce

[@-rate6326]

He already made one. Some were destroyed. Some got destroyed.

[@ravichandran5721]

Kalabhras were tamils according to historian Padmavati. She argues Buddhism emerged in TN in 3rd century beginning. The vihars helped people during their distress. So people took to Buddha. The minor velir kings who supplied soldiers money food to the three kings stopped it and formed their own army called kalabhra or Kalappirar or mixed people of Tamil and defeated the three kings to take tamizhagam for themselves and rule.

[@vurevu1017]

@Jayvardhan Being historian you should know how to pronounce the nouns properly It's Kannada Say that properly

[@upbeatpenguin5488]

If you make video hindi of bengali.....many people will enjoy it.... because this high knowledgeable video must reach to the general people of India. Please think about it

[@asifhassan4980]

There was NO dark Ages of Tamilkam ! As the kalabhras favoured Jainism & Budhism hence this "Shastry" a Brahmin who was a recent NOT contemporary of that era rather very recent author painted it as Dark Ages of Tamil !! It is getting perpetuated hence then !

[@dhi1083]

Bro, plz you need to work on your pronunciations...

[@girishk2712]

@JayVardhanSingh It's Kannada You are doing pH. D You should know the pronunciation of KannadA, one of the oldest languages Hind bhash people should Correct it

[@Agnostic7773]

Canarese not kannada

[@t.4999]

@@Agnostic7773what next? Canada? Suffering form colonial hangover? Go home Shashi Tharooru

[@-rate6326]

​@@Agnostic7773 have some self-esteem

[@girishk2712]

@@Agnostic7773 Canarese was used by portugues whonhad tongue defect Kannada words oldest usage comes from 100 BCE In that case tamizhi should be pronounced as tamizee Marathi should be marattee Hindi should be hean -dhi Bengali should bem gali Gujrathi should gu jara thei Scriot-less languages with f0(ed up version of sanskirtika (greko-persian) language of Refugees and mercinaries of one time are teaching the name of language with 2500+ rexorded history

[@bhuvaneshkadaraiah3293]

Its not kannad it is kannada please pronounce properly 🙏🏼

[@mahanirvaantantra]

In hindi it's Kannad not kannada. similarly telangana is telangaan and kerala is keral.

[@raghuls1515]

​​@@mahanirvaantantrait shows Hindi is not fit and non Indian origin language mix of Persia urdu etc😂

[@dhruv49039]

@@raghuls1515cope nobody wants to speak ooga booga kannada

[@raghuls1515]

@@dhruv49039 sry my language is tamil

[@Pumbarumba]

​​@@dhruv49039 and what is hindi? Taxi wala's bhaiya language or language of people of sucked up to islamic invaders. You call it hindi really it is hindustani lol.

[@AnilKumar-ih7hq]

Very irritating pronunciation of names

[@SuryaBhowmick-w7o]

❤❤❤❤

[@max-cs9ko]

Only reason why Kalbhara declared dark age of Tamil by historian because they were follower of Buddhist, tbh that period was golden age of Tamil history

[@thrinethranak5652]

Pandiyan Kings Started Tamil Sangam to Translate Sanskrit Scripts to Tamil Language and more from their own. Tamil Language was Built On Sanskrit Language Only. Even the Word "Sangam" belongs the Sanskrit Language.

[@Prashanth_026]

🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@cokedupnormies2651]

Isn't the dark ages the current era? They've turned the south into Mughalistanam essentially.

[@ancientminds199]

Agree

[@bhanupratap1063]

Moghulistan is the name of Modern day Xinjiang.

[@adityasharan9568]

Idiot, you are. Stop reading Sanghi Historians.

[@dhribbler7303]

Political cope. Use your mind, not your behind when thinking.

[@GuanhuagLee]

How? Only 8% Muslims in TN UP Bihar has way more Muslims

[@TheChintu-il3sq]

A proud kannadiga here! its not ""kannad" its KANNADA likewise Hindi is not hind ."The kalabaras where kannada kingdom, actually the whole northern part of modern day tamil nadu historically refered as ""kongu nadu '" region was ruled by Gangas actually the founder of ganga dynasty is ""konguni verma"" hence the region's name and kalabaras for centuries, then by hoysala (Beast killars) empire before mighty karnata empire (vijayanagara).

[@raghuls1515]

Similarly tamilakam which is older than kannada is composed of south karnataka ,south Andhra ,kerala ,parts of srilanka and tamilnadu

[@Sakthivel_555]

Gangas Tamil Velir Kings not Kannada Kings

[@satyashodhak.ashish]

RS Sharma elaborated kakabhra revolution as need of Adivasis liberation

[@cokedupnormies2651]

Sangam age was the OG Sanghi

[@-rate6326]

1. What do you mean? 1. Normie, sanghi, Dank, Dark, pi*ce of sh*t. What are you?

[@-rate6326]

What do you mean?

[@cokedupnormies2651]

@@-rate6326 Sangam = Sanatan = eternal

[@stealthspider1528]

😂V, dark, Tamil people 😁very happy

[@hydraempireff8972]

SIR CAN U MAKE A VIDEO ON "REALITY OF ALEXANDER LOST AT AFGHANISTAN".... TRY TO MAKE IN HINDI , EVEN IF IT WILL NOT IN HINDI, IT WILL BE FINE

[@JayVardhanSingh]

I have made videos on Alexander. Do watch it.

[@hydraempireff8972]

​@@JayVardhanSinghsir i think, u didn't seen properly😅

[@LostinMango]

The dark ages is current era with rise of sanghis.

[@ancientminds199]

The rise of Sanghis is a reaction to the rise in pseudo secularism which is Hinduphobic.

[@rexxbailey2764]

SELL OFF A FEW SISTERS OR YOUR MOTHER TO THE HYDERABADI OR KERELA MUSLIMS THEN WHY DON'T YOU, I BET THEY WILL BRING THE BRIGHTEST OF DAY'S AND ROLICKING OF NIGHT'S RIGHT INTO YOUR HOUSES FOR THAT SMALL FEE!... EVEN SELLING OF YOUR DAUGHTERS WOULD BE WORTH IT TO BRING IN THOSE GLORIOUS MUSLIMS AND NICE WHITE SKIN JIMMY SAVILLE'S FROM YOUR EVER FAVOURITE VATICAN AFTERALL NOW! ENJOY THOSE " BRIGHT DAY'S " THEN BOUGHT IN TO YOUR LIVES BY THEMM NICELY THEN OKAY!???? 😑😒 HAVE FUN. 👌👍👍

[@-rate6326]

Syrian Christians in Kerala? They are foreigner isn't it dark age? Watch the video again. You might be casteist to think that? Casteism is dead. RSS is anti-Caste. Sangam era caste system wouldn't be allowed anymore. But there's new casteism in Kerala. "I am descendant of Syrian Christians" lol. You are guys are real sanghi

[@suhash137]

Sanghis is original derived from sangha of buddism, so you say Buddhism became the dark age of history, that what you taking about, Because there was no where in history sanghis in current era,😅 ( Gigga chakka sale)

[@suhash137]

Just like you 😅

[@southpole4776]

Dark ages started when brahmins arrived

[@rexxbailey2764]

YES CAUSE BEFORE THAT BOTH YOUR MOM AND SISTERS AND PROBABLY EVEN YOUR GRANDMOTHERS WERE JUST HAVING TOO MUCH FUN ENJOYING THEIR TIME HAVING THEIR HOLES FILLED IN ALL THE GLORIOUS MUSLIM ORGIES ORGANISED FOR ALL ROUND FUN IN YOUR VILLAGES AND THE PALACES OF ALL YOUR MUSLIM KINGS TILL THAT TIME AFTERALL ISN'T IT ??😑😒 PIECE OF FILTH PERIYAR FILTH TRAITORS! 😑😒

[@-rate6326]

You are delusional. Watch the video again..

[@vimdhayakjigulambipurwale4536]

All the ancient tamilkam dyansty claimed their ancestory with Aryan clan like solar and lunar dynasty 😂😂😂.cry more

[@southpole4776]

@@vimdhayakjigulambipurwale4536 what is your definition of ancient?

[@-rate6326]

@@southpole4776 certainly not medieval. Southern architecture is now dead. Say thanks to communitists (Russia made), pseudo secular leaders.

[@parikshithj8636]

Say tamil nadu, not tamilakam

[@mahanirvaantantra]

cry more, lemur

[@suhash137]

சுண்டி புண்டே😂

[@srinivaskumar232]

Cow belt guy talking about South ?

[@t.4999]

What are you? Buffalo belt hijda? Thika muchko bosdike. Potthitu poda DMK naiye

[@ancientminds199]

Because no Idli sambar guy talked about it

[@srinivaskumar232]

@@ancientminds199 we understand ulterior motives of Cow belt thugs

[@ancientminds199]

@@srinivaskumar232 feel really worried to see people like you becoming victims of the separatist agenda which is filled with hatred and superiority complex.

[@times2508]

​@@srinivaskumar232 shut up dmk cvck

[@maghee83]

what is your source off this video, you must quote them in the scribe, else people will sue for spreading mis information.

[@mayankdubey2006]

Reference:- 1. The Dark Period: Myth or Reality? by Valerie Gillet 2. The Kalabhras in the Pandiya country and their impact on the life and letters there by M. Arunachalam 3. Viewing the Kalabhras as a hoax or historical reality by S.C Mishra and Minisha Agnihotri 4. A History of South India by K.A. Nilakanta Sastri 5. South India under the Cholas by Y. Subbarayalu 6. A Concise history of South India Edited by Noboru Karashima 7. Epigraphica India Vol 17

[@mayankdubey2006]

Have fun

[@maghee83]

@@mayankdubey2006 you should செ this line in this page, not just the book name

[@mayankdubey2006]

@@maghee83 well you should contact jay about this . Yet it is better than providing no source at all

[@mayankdubey2006]

To provide source for further reading