THE HISTORY OF MAINLAND SOUTHEAST ASIA - EVERY YEAR

[@jewjewthanawat]

As requested from kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKDbZqqvhr53n7ssi=QoaUgdxLPLys2rfD. Here are some comments. It would be more precise if the map complied with ancient geography, e.g., in 10000 BCE, the coastline was different. At least three southern states I notice are missing from the map and shown as Nakhon Sri Thammarat: the Patani, Setul, and Singora. Principality of Hà Tiên seems to be missing. ~1438 Cambodia had two kings fighting each other for the throne ~1600 Ayutthaya, during King Naresuan's reign, captured Martaban and some Shan states (Hsenwi, etc.) for several years Early Rattanakosin also claimed that some Shan states, Chiang Hung, and Sip Song Chau Tai (Muang Thaeng and nearby) are their tributary states. Before you get a headache verifying these claims, let me explain some basics here. In ancient main SEA, superpowers used the tributary system to indicate (claim) the territory they owned. That is why mapping this region is so challenging. 1. It is hard to verify if a state is really under the suzerain influence. Let me give some examples of claims: - The Thai chronicles claimed that Lan Xang sent tribute to Ayutthaya during King Borommatrailokkanat's reign and after King Naresuan's reign. - Burma chronicles claimed that Longvek (Cambodia) sent tribute to Toungoo during Bayinnaung's reign. The claimed tributary state might refuse this since the same logic applies when every country sends tribute to the Chinese emperor. 2. It is possible (and recorded) that a state may send tribute to multiple suzerains simultaneously. Therefore, these states would be overlapping areas between those suzerains. - Some Shan states sent tributes to Burma and China (and possibly Lan Na/Siam) at some point in time. - Chiang Hung sent tributes to (2 or 3 of) Burma, China, Lan Na, and Siam at some point in time. - Sip Song Chau Tai states sent tributes to Lan Xang, Vietnam, and China at some point in time. - Even Lan Xang and Cambodia, in later eras, sent tributes to both Siam and Vietnam. 3. It is hierarchical. For example: Sip Song Chau Tai sent tribute to Luang Prabang, and then Luang Prabang sent tribute to Rattanakosin Once, Ayutthaya was a tributary state of Toungoo, and Ayutthaya had its own southern tributary states. So far, I still have not seen any maps reflect this correctly.

[@freddymapping]

It's quite a challenge to map out the precise history of this region. This video took me the most time to produce out of all of my videos, and it has took quite a while to make these kind of long videos. Anyways, thanks for the comment and explaining, it really helps me to use these as sources. Have a great day :) - Freddy

[@marrrtin]

Very good labelling clarity to give a good big picture.

[@miming9409]

Thank you for your efforts to make this video much more enjoyable to learn more about the history and the significant facts of these interesting countries 😊

[@freddymapping]

@@miming9409 thank you for your kind words!

[@Springfield707]

As one of Vietnamese like history, I was surprised by the amount of historical information conveyed in one video. This is a carefully crafted video full of important information. I am impressed with your extensive knowledge of history. +1 subcribe for you....

[@freddymapping]

Thank you very much! :D

[@mint8648]

Very interesting

[@tipp1515]

5:38 Thai people call China “Jeen’ till these days. and Thai is Tai Kradai not Mon but later migrated to the Mon’s land.

[@Kitsada1222]

According to recent reseach papers, Central Thai's DNA is close to Mon more than 60%. Although Mon and Khmer are Austroasitic, they are obviously different group of people (both DNA and culture). Mon's DNA is close to Central Thai more than Khmer's is. Present Khmer's DNA is similar to the prople in Indonesia. The problem of some outdated versions of SEA history believed that all Thai are Tai-Kadai whereas many researches and media show that Thai is multi-cultural and various ethnicities. Tai-Kadai people spread in Northern and Northeastern parts. Central Thai are mixed Mon-Tai and other minor ethnic groups (Khmer, Chinese, India). Southern Thai are mixed Mon-Tai-Malay). Many historical evidences, not only in Thailand but also include China, India, Persia and Western countries, indicate that the people who called Siamese (for Ayuthaya and Rattanakosin era) are an combination of three kingdoms, Suphanburi (Mon Daravadi-Tai)+ Lavo (Mon-Tai-Khom) + Sukhotai (Tai). Then Thai culture is mixed Daravadi-Khom-Tai. I use the word "Khom" insead of "Khmer" because the people who have this type of culture are not only Khmer. There are many group of people in Khmer Empire. One of major groups have lived in Khorat Basin who is origine of Mahidharapura dynasty of Khmer Empire. DNA test results of skeleton buried in the basin close to nowadays people who live there. These all prove that majority of people who live in Thai nowadays have lived here before emerging of Khmer Empire and some groups of people who have Khom culture (Pimai, Burirum, Lavo) are also ancester of Thai people. I don't want to claim that all cultures are our but they are shared-cultures ) between us before we forming our nations (same in major parts but different in details).

[@Kitsada1222]

If you said Tai-Kadai migrated to Mon's land, where did Mon people go. I believe Mon were not disappear but they mixed with Tai-Kadai. DNA test results in recent research shows Mon's genetic code heavily spread in Central Thai people as much as Tai. You should seperate ethnic group from nation name. Thai is not Tai-Kadai. There are many ethnic groups in Thailand, Mostly Mon and Thai. Don't believe me, please research to scientific joural and evidences explained by Ancient China, India, Western and so on. You will discover the true origin of Central Thai people (Siamese).

[@vida-1995]

that's just incorrect information from Cambodia.

[@somsaksompong689]

​@@Kitsada1222But Ban Chiang is not Thai and Mon is not Kradai.

[@somsaksompong689]

​@@Kitsada1222If Thai means Tai-Kadai We have to start from when the Tai-Kadai migrated to Southeast Asia, not start from the past before they migrated to Southeast Asia.

[@Cấnphươnganh-1998uno]

12:53->14:43

[@HungPham-ki9wu]

I admired your knowledge. Its very true at least for viet nam

[@freddymapping]

cảm ơn🙏

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Can you make history of Anatolia too👀

[@freddymapping]

I will try to in the future! :D

[@freddymapping]

Here's a document of the script for this video: sg.docworkspace.com/d/sIImJ7qo3_tvqpQY

[@lovelymonster]

I think the information of language in Neolithic Age is not correct. We cannot know which language the local people spoke at that time. As you may see, Laang Spean Cave or Son Vi culture were all related to Hoabinhian, and Hoabinh culture cover a large area including Thailand, Lao, Cambodia and Vietnam. There is general belief that Hoabinhian were replaced by people coming from the North (South China) (2 layers theory). Meanwhile, the Pro-Austroasiatic language established around 6000 BC, Vietic and Khmer were branched much latter. Hence, we CANNOT classify local people of Neolithic Age as Astroasiatic, Vietic or Khmer.

[@freddymapping]

Understood, thanks for clarifying :D

[@amazingpeterzhu]

唐朝末年，军阀割据，静海军节度使和其他几十个节度使一样都是唐朝割据军阀的一部分，唐朝灭亡后，所有军阀都希望自己能统一中国，其中也包括静海军节度使，也就是越南的前身。 后来，最强的军阀，后来的宋朝几乎统一了中国，但是由于各种原因，当年唐朝的节度使军阀有三个没有被宋朝击败，也就是后来的契丹（今天的中国北京，中国东北，蒙古国等地），西夏（今天的中国甘肃，中国宁夏等地），越南。 宋朝持续了300年，这300年，当年的静海军节度使刻意淡化了和中国的联系，一直到元朝100年仍然没有拿下越南。然后是明朝，明朝短暂的控制了越南几十年，但是由于明朝糟糕的统治（不仅对于越南，也是对于整个中国），越南最终独立了，中国丧失了最后的机会。 其实越南和中国的关系很紧密，毕竟中国和越南作为同一个国家一起生活了1000年，这1000年并不是中国在压迫越南，而是中国的皇帝和贵族平等的压迫中国的每一个人，那个时候的越南人和普通的中国人没有任何区别，相当于罗马的公民权，那个时候越南人看待东南亚的其他人就像看待野蛮人一样。起码直到200年前，越南和中国的关系，类似于台湾和中国的关系，都是从中国分裂出去的一部分。当然，200年前欧洲的民族主义思想传到全世界后，民族主义思潮觉醒，一切都改变了。 如果古代中国在某一时期灭亡了，越南一定会改名中国，并参与到中国的正统争霸。

[@lelongviet3622]

Trong mắt người Việt Nam, Trung Hoa đã diệt vong ít nhất là hai lần vào thời đại nhà Nguyên và nhà Thanh. Nguyễn Thánh Tổ (明命) - vua của Việt Nam đầu thế kỷ 19 đã từng thẳng thừng tuyên bố rằng: "Giờ đây, nền văn minh Hoa Hạ chỉ còn được duy trì ở Việt Nam. Những người Trung Quốc đã trở thành man di!"

[@ironbuffaloXX]

That means Thai people are mon - Khmer. The lighter skin Thais are Lao and/or Chinese, makes sense now.

[@travelingman1125]

That is true. But there are also lighter skin mon people as well.

[@oajajaj]

There are mistakes but nice try also you should use more sources than wikipedia since I find on south east asia related stuff there are a lot of things missing also you should cite other creators better than just ("Example" , 2015)

[@freddymapping]

I'll try my best next time

[@somsaksompong689]

Banchiang is not TaiKadi but monkhmer

[@ahrifin9182]

Champa not deserve for lose😭😭😭

[@tlsvd5842]

The weak die and the strong survive in any wars

[@Henrycus5321]

is nanyue history of Vietnam or China?

[@freddymapping]

Both actually. Zhao Tuo (or Trieu Da) was formerly a Qin general, but then he moved south, established his own kingdom, and got mixed into traditional Vietnamese culture.

[@HungPham-ki9wu]

Good question

[@rostenaron627]

nayue was established by a Chinese

[@MaungKyawHlaing-g5y]

Arakan state at 150 CE pro

[@Trucnguyen-yf1ii]

đúng là lịch sử của việt nam luôn gắn liền với trung quốc từ thời xưa .

[@amazingpeterzhu]

唐朝末年，军阀割据，静海军节度使和其他几十个节度使一样都是唐朝割据军阀的一部分，唐朝灭亡后，所有军阀都希望自己能统一中国，其中也包括静海军节度使，也就是越南的前身。 后来，最强的军阀，后来的宋朝几乎统一了中国，但是由于各种原因，当年唐朝的节度使军阀有三个没有被宋朝击败，也就是后来的契丹（今天的中国北京，中国东北，蒙古国等地），西夏（今天的中国甘肃，中国宁夏等地），越南。 宋朝持续了300年，这300年，当年的静海军节度使刻意淡化了和中国的联系，一直到元朝100年仍然没有拿下越南。然后是明朝，明朝短暂的控制了越南几十年，但是由于明朝糟糕的统治（不仅对于越南，也是对于整个中国），越南最终独立了，中国丧失了最后的机会。 其实越南和中国的关系很紧密，毕竟中国和越南作为同一个国家一起生活了1000年，这1000年并不是中国在压迫越南，而是中国的皇帝和贵族平等的压迫中国的每一个人，那个时候的越南人和普通的中国人没有任何区别，相当于罗马的公民权，那个时候越南人看待东南亚的其他人就像看待野蛮人一样。起码直到200年前，越南和中国的关系，类似于台湾和中国的关系，都是从中国分裂出去的一部分。当然，200年前欧洲的民族主义思想传到全世界后，民族主义思潮觉醒，一切都改变了。 如果古代中国在某一时期灭亡了，越南一定会改名中国，并参与到中国的正统争霸。

[@hongsirima3857]

[@DavidSengDV]

Fall of Khmer empire and lan xang kingdom 🙂The big toungoo empire

[@Peterr.2304]

i like this history video

[@freddymapping]

Thank you! :)

[@Hanamii-p5h]

The Cambodians in the comments are definitely crying🤭😌

[@hongsirima3857]

[@hongsirima3857]

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[@loser_lunar]

This comment would never hit 100 like

[@freddymapping]

@@loser_lunar We'll see🙃

[@loser_lunar]

Okay

[@LonSokleap]

I am liking

[@StarterOffical-Jousha-lf6ig]

Southeast asia was Important.

[@freddymapping]

It was really important for the rise of its economy.

[@alexangelo1998]

Mon are Mon-Khmer people, not Tai-Kadai

[@freddymapping]

Noted, thanks for the correction!

[@bank0942]

คนเขมรมักนึกว่าตัวเองคือไทย ประวัติศาสตร์เขมรที่มีไทย ร่วมอยู่ มักจะถูกเเก้ให้เป็นเขมรเสมอ ละน่าตลกที่เพื่อนชาวมอญเพื่อนของผมไม่มีเกี่ยวข้องกับเขมรเลย มอญก็ส่วนมอญ ไม่ใช่เขมร เเค่ภาษาอยู่กลุ่มเดียวกัน

[@sangsang6894]

​@@bank0942ហើយមនក៏មិនមែនជាសៀមព្រោះមនមាននៅក្នុងផែនទីតាំងពីសៀមចូលមកទៅទៀតននៅតំបន់នេះឃើញមានតែ មន ខ្មែរ នឹង ចម្ប៉ា ប៉ុណ្ណោះ !! ក្នុងផែនទីបានបញ្ជាក់ថា សៀមបានចាប់ផ្ដើមកកើតក្នុងពេលអធិរាជម៉ុងហ្គោលវាយប្រទេសចិនទើបលេចឡើង ឃើញមាន ថៃ និង ឡាវ ។

[@liketostudy66]

@@bank0942 try to research again.

[@bank0942]

​@@liketostudy66Dna หรือยีน เหมือนกันหรอ เขมร กับมอญ ?

[@JamieRedknap]

Khmer can’t accept truth that they were Javanese immigrants came on land just during 700-800 and adopted Indian cultures when Mon, Lavo, dvaravati was original local on Thailand for millennium

[@Wandrative]

Mon people and Khmers are of the same root and have branched off since Funan. Mon-Khmer-Vietic peoples as well as Tibeto-Burmese people are the only people original to Mainland SE Asia.

[@JamieRedknap]

@@Wandrative Bangkok premier king, Thonburi king are Mon descent of Ayutthayan lords. Mon was here long before Khmer migrated from Java. Burmese record explained Mon was first indochina nation who adopted Sri Lanka Theravada Buddhism, and Siamese was all time Theravada Buddhism, unlike Javanese immigrant Angkorean invader on Mon land. That’s why when Siamese dominated the region and ruled Cambodia, Theravada Buddhism fully replaced all Angkorean Hinduism and Mahayana Buddhism until today. Chinese record Tai of Sukhothai (Siam) combined Mon of Lavo (Lohu) since 1283 to form up Ayutthaya. That s why Chinese called Siamese as Xian Lo since then till Siamese changed to be Thailand, Chinese call Taiguo. Angkorean Suryavarman I originally was Mon Lavo king whose wife is Angkorean princess who fled country bloodbath. He later ended civil war and claimed throne of Angkor as Suryavarman I, then came back on his original Mon land, that was how first time expansion over Mon land, before later Lavo combined Tai of Sukhothai. There are a lot true history that Cambodian never know.

[@JamieRedknap]

@@Wandrative different. Bangkoks premier king and Thonburi kings are Mon descent of Ayutthayan lords. Mon is First Nation in indochina who adopted Theravada Buddhism from Sri Lanka by Burmese record. Siam is all time Theravada Buddhism country. After Siamese dominated region, Theravada Buddhism fully replaced Angkorean Hinduism.

[@Wandrative]

@@JamieRedknap Now you talk about religion which is not relevant to your initial claim. I personally like Hinduism more then Buddhism anyway; also original Mon people were Hindus, not Buddhist. The small number of Buddhists were Mahayana Buddhists, not Theravada. Theravada in SE Asia is a new thing.

[@레지스-b7v]

​​​@@JamieRedknap인도차이나의 최초의 국가는 베트남이다 순서: 🇻🇳->🇲🇲->🇰🇭->🇹🇭->🇱🇦

[@cudanmang_theog]

Champa and khmer were Black

[@sangsang6894]

បានន័យថាចម៉្បា និង ខ្មែរ មានទឹកដីអរិយធម៌មុនគេបង្អស់ ។ Thank you Vietnam for support Cambodia and Champa ❤😚😂😂

[@cudanmang_theog]

@@sangsang6894 Khmer was a black Bantu empire

[@레지스-b7v]

​@@cudanmang_theog동남아엔 흑인들이 들어오지 않았어요. 당신의 생각

[@narongudomtang]

Khom is not kamer

[@rothapov3102]

😂😂😂😂

[@RINKING-s1h]

RINKING

[@PO.RO.MD.ORT16]

You have way too much free time 🙃

[@freddymapping]

😂😂❤

[@trongnguyenvan9350]

@@! sorry but Xich Quy territory more Huge, futher than more NanYue too,, should make it more true. but thank for this video

[@kimumaiguen5650]

thực tế nếu xét về mặt lịch sử Xích Quỷ là nhà nước liên minh của nhiều bộ lạc Việt và được coi là truyền thuyết hơn là lịch sử nhà nước Việt Nam. Tính đúng ra thì bản đồ trên cũng miên tả đúng rồi và ko sai :v

[@trongnguyenvan9350]

@@kimumaiguen5650 tính đúng sai bản đồ sai chứ đúng gì, nếu ko thì bỏ luôn Xích Quỷ đi b ạ, bỏ cả Văn Lang. Cho vào thì cho cho đúng. Đến cả Hạ Thương, và đến Tận Chu Sơ vẫn chỉ là liên minh bộ lạc

[@lovelymonster]

I think Xich Quy and Vanlang are just the myths. In fact, Red River Delta was the location of different languages and tribes, many tribes came from the South China (including Baiyue) mixing with local people. In Vietnam's view, we tried to attach our history to Baiyue history but in China's view, Vietnam is not related to Baiyue at all. As far as I know, I believe Vietnamese have some relations to Baiyue but we cannot represent for Baiyue.

[@kimumaiguen5650]

@@lovelymonster Bei Yue is the Chinese name for the southern tribes or countries, including Vietnam. Basically, Vietnamese history is only recorded during the reign of the Hung King

[@kimumaiguen5650]

@@trongnguyenvan9350 Tại sao phải bỏ Văn Lang? Khi Văn lang được coi là quốc gia đầu tiên của Việt Nam, sau khi bị Âu Việt đánh thì thành Âu Lạc. Tự dưng đi nói bỏ văn lang hơi khó hiểu

[@hongsirima3857]

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