The History of the Lancia Delta S4 - The Car That Ended Group B

In the 1980s Lancia produced the Delta S4, one of the most incredibly rally cars of all time. With its four-wheel drive system and twin-charged engine the Delta S4 crushed rally stages across the globe.
However, it would be involved in one of the worst accidents in the history of rallying and would ultimately lead to the end of the Group B rally car series.
While the Delta S4 would only race for one full year, it would lead to the development of the Delta Integrale, one of the most successful rally cars of all time.
This video covers the full history of the Lancia Delta S4 and what made it such a special rally car.
Along with creating this video, we have also written an article on the complete history of the Delta S4 as well - garagedreams.net/history/the-...
For more on the history of Group B, check out Rally Group B Shrine - rallygroupbshrine.org/
References
Jay Auger. (2014). Lancia Delta S4 (Group B) - Lancia Delta S4 (Group B) | Rally Group B Shrine
Adam. Delta S4 - Delta S4 (lanciaworkshistory.com)
wrcresults.com. Season 1986 - Season 1986 rally - eWRC-results.com
Bruce Cox. (1997). Too Fast to Race - Too Fast To Race - KZbin - Too Fast to Race (Video 1997) - IMDb
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[@Perception_]

When a driver says the car is too fast, you better believe it. Even though I love things like this, there are always limits to anything.

[@solinvictus1234]

Henry Toivonen about the Lancia Delta S4: "this car, go to 0-60 in 2.4 sec, is so fast that your brain isn't capable to stay at pace with your actions. It's crazy"

[@StewartEvans52]

@@solinvictus1234 God rest his soul he was taken way to early

[@x-90]

@@solinvictus1234 this car was so fast that modern HYPERCARS have trouble getting that low of 0-60

[@BetterCallSaul603]

@@x-90 Are rally cars faster than sportcars? I don't talk about drive in sand or Dschungel. What for example on "Nordschleife"? Can a rally car beat a gt3 rs?

[@stefdem1533]

@@BetterCallSaul603 Different cars for different races, impossible to compare on top speed alone.

[@thedunkdojogaming]

"So how much boost and HP do you want?" Lancia: Yes.

[@poplaurentiu4148]

Imagine that latter after the Group-B, should follow Group-S with even more boost & power.. : Audi S-002, Peugeot Quasar / 405 -T16, Toyota MR2-222D, Lancia ECV 1 & ECV 2, Ford RS-200 S, Mazda RX7S, Opel Kadett E 4S, Lada EVA S-Proto, Seat Ibiza Bi-moto, ( BMW M1, Ferrari 288 GTO & Porsche 959 too ) all planned for WRC !

[@Fastbikkel]

That joke still makes me chuckle.

[@hermanman8235]

800hp on a car that weigh little more than a ton are just EPIC.. thanks for the video.informative.

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks for watching!

[@MrEazyE357]

"How and why the S4 left the road is still a mystery." Maybe it had something to do with going 100+ mph around a turn on the side of a cliff? These guys were insane!

[@GorryGaming]

there were no skidmarks on the road from the tires, indicating that there was no hard breaking, or slide. Personally i think mby the brakes didnt work or smth

[@BIV13]

Or it could be stucked throttle, as it was mentioned as one of the car's issues

[@AsinineComment]

The pedal box wasn't attached to the floor,@Sean Price - so even if the pedal box was broken, there's no way "the brake was going through the floor".

[@andrewb8548]

He had a concussion blacked out. (In the 80's head injuries didn't exist. Basically because everyone knew someone who was like, "did you get shelled by the Germans? Suck it up buttercup, you ain't bleeding out the ears"

[@estel6137]

@@GorryGaming there are no skid marks there, if you brake there you are done for and rally drivers know thhaht

[@aesma2522]

Rallying is dangerous even with a basic car, you're going at full blast on regular roads, not circuits. I'm amazed that there are relatively few death, to be honest.

[@foredee8496]

well, one could argue that the weight of their massive titanium balls lower the cars' center of gravity and make them stabler to drive.

[@siddharthakvr5154]

Testament of their skill

[@tony_5156]

Finnish people do that shit all the time lol In RWD volvos and whatever is laying around

[@dbspaceoditty]

@@tony_5156 yes, with probably 25% of the horse power.

[@PageCarteller]

you have to do throttle control, same for high horsepower rwd cars in touge roads in japan

[@4071816]

RiP Toivonen and Cresto

[@hermanman8235]

May GOD bless them both.

[@badgers1975]

That's the important part he was one hell of a driver.

[@user-mx1fq6qm6i]

RIP

[@07_danishwistara29]

It's like the devil Z story, the car was too fast for the driver to handle

[@mateuszpaszkiewicz3831]

Henri's complaint about car's too high performance foreshadowed his tragic death.

[@psychosis1767]

And the occasional reliability issues of the 80s and 90s. Senna also foreshadowed his death, even more strongly after Ratzenberger bit the dust in the same weekend (Which would be completely off the racing code nowdays, the race would have been cancelled if a driver dies during practice or qualifying)

[@pugachevskobra5636]

Yep.

[@GS-bx5hd]

Correction* Lancia created a rally car like no other before, or after... this is the greatest rally car this earth will see.

[@TinyBearTim]

GP2_Engine the Quattro was not that good only won because the got the rules changed and nobody else had awd

[@mckenzie125]

@GP2_Engine you mean iat abarth

[@7spower998]

The greatest of Group B rally cars of all time is the Audi quattro Sport S1 Evo 2. If it wasn't for the quattro, all WRC rally cars would still be in FWD and RWD. And if it wasn't for the quattro Sport S1 Evo 2, WRC rally cars wouldn't have any wings, spoilers and winglets, square fender-flares, turbo anti-lag system, dual-clutch gearbox etc. etc.

[@LJay54]

@@7spower998 No way, thing handled like a supertanker with the alignment out and was obsolete the minute Lancia an Peugeot ran 4wd. The 131 and escort had flared arches,if being picky the Chevette HSR had box fenders years before it.

[@oranges866]

@@7spower998 the dual-clutch came from porsche (and the official race car was a 6-speed manual anyway) and bodykits already came before it in the bmw m1 and metro 6r4.

[@MarcoVenustus]

This has to be the most well made video from a channel with less than 1000 subs I've ever seen.

[@flyingspaghetti]

Too bad his horrible lisp is unbearable after a minute.

[@bso1469]

@@flyingspaghetti he doesnt even have a lisp? Its an accent

[@idenhlm]

@@flyingspaghetti It's lazy speech, and it is annoying.

[@Gniggaaa]

@@idenhlm how , I don’t hear it

[@marksbikeexports5123]

@@flyingspaghetti Hes a colonial trying to sound like a Pomme

[@aderitooliveira9661]

That Lancia was a BEAST... Beautiful, powerful and extremely fast. Unfortunately Henri Toivonen died in a S4 but they both have become a LEGEND ...

[@pierovittori1076]

Saw them both in action live at Motorshow, a very popular motorsports meeting show in Italy at the time. They used to build a small track - with both tarmac and dirt sections - in a huge parking lot area. The whole thing was like a stadium, with tens thousands whooing and clapping their heroes...that place was adrenaline at the finest and I still get goosebumps when I go there with my memory. In that track the Group B cars and drivers battled for a trophy in memory of driver Attilio Bettega, who died in 1985 Corsica Rally. Well, it was EXTREMELY clear from the very start that the S4s where just insane, with a considerable edge over all the competitors. Only Peugeot turbo 16 (another devilish car) could try to stand still against the S4, but only ending up being the best in the loosers pack. S4 was another thing, I mean TOTALLY insane. And Lancia had the ECV1 - evolution of S4 - under development when Toivonen and Cresto had their fatal accident. ECV1 had a next gen engine with 750 hp (some say 800) in 'regular' configuration and a 1000+ hp specced engine for tarmac rallyes like Corsica.

[@xiter8868]

My father, one day, came back home after another long day in engine test room. He told me "these guys are crazy, they want to stick an F1 engine on a light chariot". They had just reached 1500HP and were aiming at 1HP x cm^3. S4 engine was 1750cc.

[@MF175mp]

Has 1hp per cm3 actually ever been taken of any engine?

[@xiter8868]

@@MF175mp Yes, just Google Formula One in the same period.

[@zeroundersteer]

Holy... he was part of Abarth?

[@xiter8868]

@@zeroundersteer Abarth used to be part of FIAT-Lancia located in the suburbs of Turin. Engines used to be produced and tested in common facilities at Fiat test fab in Mirafiori. My farther was responsible for pre-series, he used to manage testing, troubleshooting and homologation of up to 1900 engines per year (all countries where FIAT-Alfa-Lancia group was exporting), including race engines. He nearly became deaf 'cause he had no time to wear protections when entering and going out of test rooms.He has been involved in all process of Lancia Delta S4 engine development because of his experience in engines, including Lancia Thema Ferrari and all models of Delta Integrale. Accordingly to his opinion the 1.6 litres twin cammes has been since long, the best engine Fiat-Lancia has ever produced. And both S4 and Delta Integrale together with Beta (including 037), Prisma, Thema and few others used derivatives of this engines family. Fiat also tested a Uno Turbo with a reduced capacity of 1.3 litres which produced 140HP during testing, this was compared to the 1.3 single camme engine which reached only 105HP. The problem with the twin camme was that it turned out to bee too powerful making the car uncontrollable, but.. what a car, they were considering reaching easily 180HP for rally variant!!!.

[@PieterHalveLiter]

@@MF175mp actually yes. Top fuel dragsters do 10.000+ hp and 20.000+ nm(15000+ ft lb) of torque out of 8 ltr(488 ci)

[@chrisl8873]

I met fortunately Juha Kankkunen a few years ago at a Bentley gig, I asked about the 1986 F1 Estoril qualifying time 'story' and he confirmed its true, he was there. It was a tarmac spec S4 running about 550bhp not 800 as claimed here

[@solinvictus1234]

Juha also have his own S4 in his garage

[@heintmeyer2296]

Excellent video. Most amazing, it was only a few years until Group A cars with barely 300 hp were faster. Power is nice, but suspension, brakes and chassis are the important parts.

[@BadApe351]

I've seen many videos on the Group B era but this is the best. The attention to detail is epic. Even your brief history of rallying is awesome. A credit to you. On the cars themselves - they were psychotic...but breathtaking.

[@rykehuss3435]

I just wished for more of those sweet driving sounds

[@SamFrostDigitalMarketing]

Definitely a legendary car! Great video!!

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks, it definitely is an incredible car.

[@marguskiis7711]

Tragedery car

[@malice2629]

That quote from Henry toivonen is chilling.

[@marcinfaron6414]

*Funny fact:* Lancia had to make 400 road homologated cars to participate to group B with the 037. Lancia only made 200 cars and parked them in one big private parking lot. When rally officials came to check the number of cars, they saw the 200 cars and then they went to the restaurant to eat dragged by Lancia's workers. Meanwhile they were eating 200 people from Lancia's staff drove the cars to another parking lot. After lunch officials went to check the "other" 200 cars HAHAHAHAH

[@mariosaderi9096]

Just a little mistake , only 200 cars needed for the homologation....

[@Charkunt.d5]

Ohh we have a Jeremy Clarkson fan here 😊😊 Both a funny and great story 😁

[@karlmeadows4986]

Only needed 200 mr bean

[@Thomas-ng5rf]

someones been watching TGT

[@abcdefgh-xf2th]

watched the grand tour shitshow feature eh? this urban legend is usually connected to the stratos which unlike the 037 had to be built 400 times. but it is probably just a nice story as about 500 stratos were built.

[@joeblogs4146]

Personally the S4 was the most insane group B car of all time,as a kid I was obsessed with them I've still got the VHS cassette tapes 2-3-and the odd 4 hour one with group B footage from that era with the likes of the RAC, Corsica,Manx, ect,,, I keep saying I'll get them put on to a DVD but i never get around to it (plus I'm old school) and computers and converting VHS is not my department I'm a what you'd call a hammer+nail's guy- I'll get them done one day, There is one bit of footage I had until (excuse my vocabulary) > some bastard recorded over it with a comedy show here in the UK called "dad's army" it was the famous (Dear God) footage of Ari and terry in the manta 400 in the Manx only there was something special that went with it (it had background music to the video so you could still see and hear all the action and the sound of the manta) BUT in the background was the music and the music was a song by a group called "Van Halen" it was called JUMP - and the mixture of those two was something special that I'd love to hear again (I recorded it off a TV program called Grand Stand I've been searching the Internet for years to try and find it but without any success, even my elder brother still talks about it (the footage+background music) "JUMP" that was recorded over on that VHS tape (I have an idea who it was but to this day he's adamant it was in him ) and that person was my dad, OK yes it was only a recording of a group B manta flat out but to me its the combination of the two "footage and music" that still sticks in my memory and I can't get rid of it the reason > because I'd love someone to recreate it a put it on KZbin because I certainly don't have the knowledge of how to do it as I doubt it will ever be found because to me it was a " one off combination of both music and Motorsport especially that of something that is only memories, I've still got a present my mother got me for Christmas back in the days of group B and she said years later it had cost her TWO WEEKS BLOODY WAGE'S she said ! to get that thing built and it's still work's to this day although collecting dust it's a TAMIYA RC 1/10th scale model of the 037 I'll never part with it because of the sentimental reason as my parents worked all their lives to give us (4) what they could afford and to receive a £200 1/10 th radio control car for a Christmas present in the 1980's was something special because we wasn't wealthy my dad was a joiner and my mum was a nurse at a Liverpool hospital. Anyway that's my little COVID lockdown story of memory lane and my fascination of group B especially that S4 although the Audi quattro sport was something special - so if anyone knows how to put that old long lost footage together and put it on KZbin then I'd love to hear see and hear it. Stay safe everyone and goodbye. As my wife is snoring away behind me (hence the reason I'm still awake a 02.27am. Oh! Great video keep them coming.

[@asiftalpur3758]

this was wonderful to read. Thanks, Joe.

[@philiptownsend4026]

I deleted my previous unkind message to you. There are services around who can do VHS to DVD conversions. Once that is done your DVDs can be ripped, edited, uploaded to KZbin or whatever. If the last bit is holding you back then why not offer your material to a KZbinr doing stuff you admire and have them publish it with thanks to you? Take the first step of the journey !

[@andrewdalmau7743]

I grew up going to the races in the rally Catalunya-Costa Brava and saw the 037, the S4, Audi Quattro, the RS200, the MG Metro 6R4, etc...the Spanish newspapers were indeed talking about the Lancia S4 having close to 600hp...I can still remember the smell of the compressed gasses after the cars flew by...the noise, the speed, the smell....it would send chills through your body...awesome times!!!

[@andrewdrabble8939]

I once had a discussion about turbocharging and supercharging where I used to work as one of the subsidiary companies was a turbo builders and recon. I was casually talking about supercharging my car which already had a turbo when someone said "you can't turbo and supercharge a car. It's either one or the other." He soon shut up when I countered with "ok tell that to Lancia with their Delta S4. That was both supercharged and turbocharged."

[@wightangel]

I have a lot of books about famous makes of rally cars. Problem is that Lancia does not seem to do any such book, so having documentaries like this are so refreshing.Thank you.

[@thomasmulhall4873]

Very fortunate to have been given a ride in the Roncaglia privateer S4 driven by Paolo Alessandrini at Olympus. My God! On gravel it did 0-60 on 2,5 seconds. Later at a rally shop Ruote In Pista in Torino, I got to fiddle with an E2 037 and S4. Of note is that there were a pair of Sparco seats on a shelf with "Toivonnen" on one, and "Cresto" on the other. IMHO the S4 was the greatest rally car ever made. 037 was the prettiest. I purchsed an ex-Rorhl 131 Abarth in 1988, with the intention to restore and campaign it in the US. Sadly, I had to sell her. Wish I didn't. The S4 was for sale Lit 40,000,000. Should have bought that car back then. Had 2 spare engines, Torson diffs, wheels, etc. Also got a peek at the Triflux engined evolution Delta for the proposed Group S, that never happened. Carbon fibre brakes in 1989!

[@garagedreams6163]

Wow, that's a great story. Thanks for sharing. Would love to have the opportunity you had!

[@thomasmulhall4873]

@@garagedreams6163 I will never forget that experience. The Alessandrini Bros were just wonderful, as,was the factory Lancia team. I spoke with Nini Russo, and Ing. Corrado Isenburg, who I later visited at Abarth. They gave me a Martini Racing umbrella, which I still treasure. It rained every day of that rally, and Alen commented, in that distinctive accent: "Es too much renn." When those Lancias entered the Tacoma Dome, the sound was absolutely astonishing! Got to chat with Watanabe about the Hondas, which is,a whole other story. Got loaded with various competators our last night there at Olympus. God, the NZ Millen team could drink!

[@federicomezzina5784]

Great video, beautiful animations, very nicely done. I look forward to see more of your upcoming episodes.

[@automobilistic]

Top quality, engaging and informative. Fantastic!

[@garagedreams6163]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@johnbcardin]

This is great content! I’m surprised by the low views and subscriber count. This is top notch stuff!

[@gen2ssi396]

What a great history! Thanks for sharing!

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks for the comment!

[@olderbutnowiser6701]

Superb video, thanks. 🍺

[@djpdjp24]

The loss of Henri was as significant as the loss of Jim Clark. Both drivers were considered to be at the pinnacle of their motoring path and the thought was if it could happen to these guys no driver is safe. Quite rightly major changes were made to rallying and single - seater racing albeit far too late. I feel blessed to have been able to see there careers develop. RIP

[@Magestig]

Holy moly! For such a small channel, this quality is amazing! I can't believe you only have under 1000 subs, I believe you'll get to 10k in no time if you keep this up!

[@garagedreams6163]

Slowly growing but I'm sure I will get there.

[@anotherprofile7954]

It's clear that your channel is gonna grow in the car community, the animation is nice (reminds me of Mustard), keep it up👍

[@Girthology]

Bro, found one of your vids randomly and thought, yah its 250k channel, nope. You're criminally underrated

[@marcogamba9074]

fantastic video, perfect!

[@james.d.8044]

AMAZING JOB with this video keep up the good work 👏 👍 🙌 Lovely channel!!

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks for that!

[@gustavothuram5370]

What a nice video with a nice storytelling

[@juhasaarinen3033]

Great video, i was lucky to see this group B cars in 1000 lakes rally for my own eyes.

[@nevillepretorius8948]

Awesome video! Cant believe I only found this one now!

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks for the comment

[@formantaudio]

I'm young(ish lmao compared to the rest of the rally community) and don't know much of the history but this video and Toivonen's statement about how their brains can't keep up is something I can kind of understand playing rally games with wheels. No series is anything like group b you're in some ridiculous rocket doing 110mph in the dark around corners people do at like 30 normally and still shit themselves. People are wild lol nothing but respect for these legends.

[@taekatanahu635]

Of course you can do that for a while, but for example the Tour de Corsica 1986 was over 1500 kilometers long... no chance to catch a breather because once you were out of the corner, you had to turn into the next one. With Group B rally cars straights became meaningless, especially on rallies like Corsica where it is just turn after turn, while every corner looking the same. It was not just a difficult rally for the driver but co-driver as well. Physically and mentally really exhausting. Nobody knows what caused the crash, but there just wasn't any margin for error anymore, be it driving mistake, wrong pace note or mechanical failure. Whether you died or survived started to become more and more dependent on luck so it's no wonder many drivers and FIA started to have issues with the Group B regulations. Actually they had already recognized everything was getting out of hand and were coming up with Group S that would have limited the power to 300bhp.

[@kenxiong6830]

More content please!!! Your videos are great just lots of time in between videos. Hopefully KZbin will start paying you so you can focus on making these great videos

[@kundanpradhan5649]

And i think one of the most beautiful cars ever made those Lancias. Puegeot 205 t16 video next please. Great video. Cheers.

[@MrEazyE357]

Awesome video dude! You definitely gained a new subscriber.

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks!

[@holeshotshane6344]

I gotta say I like how you balance the showing of pictures and film. Its just more entertaining to see pictures of parts of the car and drivers, and then see film of the two in action.... 3 if you include the codriver... because rally

[@bearto4703]

Wow this content is amazing dude! definitely subscribing!

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks for the comment, really appreciate it!

[@GrizzlyDust7222]

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[@mampe8898]

Toivonen crash reason was the gas pedal was stuck in the floor because metal was so thin. Thats why there is no braking mark. It was happen before with gas and clutch pedal with test driver.

[@tiredgiraffe]

@Garage Dreams amazing video and animation quality, really impressed. would love to see a vid covering the Metro 6R4 personally, another Group B Legend even if it came along a bit late.

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks for the comment. Definitely want to cover all the main Group B cars at some point, so will eventually get around to doing the Metro.

[@Bohoro]

@@garagedreams6163 do you do these videos alone or do you have a team working on them? Either way, amazing quality. Keep it up

[@garagedreams6163]

@@Bohoro Just make them by myself.

[@fanaticjay3825]

@@garagedreams6163 hey so are you making a video it’s been 3 months?

[@garagedreams6163]

@@fanaticjay3825 Yeah, still working on the next one. Getting through it but its quite a big project. Will probably be out within the next couple of months.

[@pavlidaboy1533]

This is awesome! You are like the automotive mustard

[@reiss1100]

I got that vibe from the intro too

[@GForceVRX]

Those Lancia’s are amazing

[@garagedreams6163]

I think all those Group B cars were pretty incredible.

[@GForceVRX]

@@garagedreams6163 yes very much so

[@forgotn42]

That S4 prototype looked like it would've been right at home in Mad Max.

[@davidpistek6241]

New to channel,,great stuff

[@kjp-sy8uf]

How does a channel with this level of production value have only 900 subs

[@guillemgraufreixas8640]

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[@kjp-sy8uf]

@@guillemgraufreixas8640 I'll check it out. Maybe they commission the same editor or animator?

[@luminescent92]

This is like from mustards channel (talks about planes) but instead talks abouts cars. And its great

[@JoseAlfonsoChavez]

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[@carlosmagnus717]

It never ceases to amaze me that whenever we talk about Gr. B of rallying, the Audi Quattro is always taken as an icon, which conceptually was a Gr. A (it was not much more than an Audi 80 Coupé with a turbo engine and four-wheel drive) for Much that they put ailerons and tried to compensate for a very uneven weight distribution by putting the radiators at the rear. The truth is that already in season 86 it was already an obsolete car no matter how much the skillful hands of Walter Röhrl tried to compensate. The merit of innovating with the first all-wheel drive vehicle caused them many reliability problems, having already been in competition for 3 seasons. Peugeot and then Lancia did not have so many problems with their first all-wheel drive models. Also say that the Regulation of Gr. B was inspired by three very innovative models: Lancia Stratos and its mid-engine, the Renault 5 Turbo and its mid-engine also put into a small utility vehicle (a large marketing operation in which Peugeot later would inspire) which gave them both astonishing agility and the Audi Quattro with its all-wheel drive but lacked that agility. All three were running under the rules of the previous Gr. 4.

[@VWaudiRULEs]

I would argue the 1986 Quattro wasn't obsolete at all. The fact that it was competitive even though it didn't have a spaceframe and had a big 5-ilnine engine sticking in front of the front axle is astonishing. Actually it came in 1985 and impressed right away at 1000 Lakes. It had its own anti-lag system and pioneered the semi-auto gearbox (at RAC I believe). The thing is Audi wasn't running a full program for 1986 and they weren't always pushing in the one full rally they participated. Rohrl was running very well in MC until he got a puncture and the spare was a studded tire. Also Audi always gave some attention to safety and had many complaints about the safety standards of GrB. They wouldn't make compromises and cut corners that would endanger their drivers. Audi was the only one of the top contenders that didn't suffer any serious accidents (like Vatanen in the 206, Bettega in the 037 or Toivonen in the Delta S4). Also I would say that Audi had the last word when it came to those monster cars and it happened at the 1987 Pikes Peak. The car Audi raced showed the Quattro S1 was in no way obsolete in 1986. And yet to me the saddest thing is that Audi did make one car that was close to a true GrB car. It had a mid-engine layout though I imagine the chassis and body were just the regular short wheelbase Quattro S1. Rohrl tested it and loved it. It was built and tested in secret because the Audi board was against deviating from the original layout. The car was apparently destroyed immediately when they found out and all we have is a few black and white images and an interview with Rohrl.

[@carlosmagnus717]

@@VWaudiRULEs The Audi was a car that could'nt do anything against the Peugeot and the Lancia in 1985 and 1986 and the results corroborate this. They did'nt retire in 1986 for security reasons, they retired because they knew they were not competitive, even if they later justified it with security. In fact, the only events that he wins are the 1985 San Remo, which wins it because Salonen does'nt race it at full speed since they were worth the points of 2nd place to be world champion that year and he did'nt risk, surely with Vatanen the result would have been been another, as had happened the year before. The 1987 Pikes Peak is won by Röhrl because Vatanen breaks a turbo flange at 3 km. finish line, and it was only 7 seconds faster, because both in practice and in the first split times Vatanen was clearly winning, despite being a climb of "full power". He could go on talking about what happened in Monte Carlo 85, but the comment would be too long ... Regarding the engine, it is obvious that an engine of almost 2.2 l it will yield more power than its rivals with 1.8 l engines, but not everything is power, agility and weight also count, and those were the weak points of the Audi, apart from the reliability, until the 84 the Audi Quattro had a lot of problems with the transmission and the engine (they lost the '83 Championship incredibly for this reason to a Lancia 037 4X2, ask Mikkola or Blomqvist). At Audi, Mr. Piëch insisted that the car had to be like the serie cars (However, Peugeot did with the 205 a perfect marketing operation, even though they were totally different from the series cars). If you read the rules of Gr. B well to know that Audi did not design a car with all the parameters allowed by the regulations. It's clear that the Gr. B rules did'nt meet the necessary safety, Kevlar bodies should have been prohibited, thicker roll-bars, fuel tanks placed in safer places, minimum weight limit and flange turbo engines to lower so much power (- 400 hp) would have been the solution, and still Peugeot o Lancia would have won because they were cars designed only to win in rallies, the Audi was conceptually an improved street car adapted to the Gr. B, which is different. If we talk about technology, Peugeot had the anti-lag DPV system, the germ of what it's today, it also had a water injection that today is equipped with premium brand cars to lower the temperature and give more power. The Delta S4 had a turbo and compressor, a system similar to the one used by the Volkswagen Group 1.4 TSI 10 years ago or so. The semi-automatic gearbox that Röhrl equips in his car in the RAC 85 Rally is the PDK that Porsche was testing in Gr. C with the 962 and that they agreed with Audi to test in rallies and that today they equip their standar cars.

[@VWaudiRULEs]

@@carlosmagnus717 I don't agree at all. Audi couldn't do much in 1985 when they were racing the original short wheelbase Quattro, which was difficult to drive. And yet it was almost always on the podium and a win was lost due to some bad luck. With the Se E2 they won San Remo, before that they got 2nd at 1000 Lakes (with Audi famously setting a record at Ouninpohja and winning many stages), then RAC was for testing and development where they retired. I don't think those results show lack of competitiveness. They would not have kept developing the S1 E2 if they thought that. Like I said, what makes the Quattro S1 E2 so amazing is exactly that it's based on a regular car. The Peugeot and the Lancias were all purpose built and especially the Lancias were dangerous death traps. You'll have to excuse me about Pikes Peak because Audi didn't just win in 1987, they set a record which Peugeot barely beat in 1988 with a brand new car. Not to mention Rohrl and the other Audi drivers (Mikkola, Blomqvist) were significantly older than the Peugeot and Lancia drivers. Anyway Audi kept winning wherever they went - Grand Am/IMSA, DTM, then Le Mans and many other endurance races with the R8 (coupe). Then VW dominated the WRC like no one else in 203-2016.

[@carlosmagnus717]

@@VWaudiRULEsThe results say that the 1985 and 1986 World Champion Titles were for Salonen, Kankkunen and Peugeot. In those two seasons, Peugeot won 13 rallies, Lancia 4, Toyota 4, Renault 2 and Audi 1 rally. The 1985 1000 Lakes rally was won by a Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 E2 in its 2nd participation, won by Salonen without running hard, without risking excessively. Hannu Mikkola in the 1st pass through the Ouninpohja stage goes off the road and loses time, which later in the second pass is when the time that you say is done, but Salonen has already won the rally and manages the advantage no risks (Salonen gets 20 scratch, 16 Blomqvist and 7 Mikkola who retires on stage 31 of 51 that the rally had). In the San Remo rally I already told you what happened, Salonen only needed the 15 points of the 2nd place to be Champion, he did'nt need to risk and he simply went out for a walk. At the RAC Rally it was not only an experimental Audi (which I already told you was PDK that Porsche was testing in the 962 and then agreed to ride in the Audi to test it on rally stages), but Röhrl did'nt like nordic rallies (RAC, Sweden and 1000 Lagos), in which if he participated he would walk for team's orders. In addition, that rally is won in its debut by Toivonen's Delta S4, a car much more competitive than the Audi, and anyone who knows a little about rallies knows what I am talking about. Another issue is safety and that argument is'nt valid to say that as they were safe the Audi could not win, we must see what the Group B Regulations consisted of and what was Mr. Piëch's idea that did not adapt to those rules. The technical explanation is that a car with a central-rear engine has a better weight distribution, better traction on the rear axle and better polar moment of inertia, which gives it greater agility in rally sections, apart from the more contained weight when also having some 400 cm3 smaller engines. About to the 1987 Pikes Peak, you have to be well documented and really see what happened in detail, and what happened was that in the Peugeot a flange of the turbo intake broke in the last 3 km. of the climb, at 4,000 meters high and "only" lost 7 seconds. In the previous training sessions and in the partial race times Vatanen was clearly winning, forward to Röhrl, Zanussi y Metha respectively. For everything else there are likes and opinions and "opinions are like the asses, everybody have one" as Harry Callahan, the character of Clint Eastwood in "Dirty Harry", used to say.

[@joshuaburke1705]

Jeez. Id love to give the delta a good blat. Awesome vid 👌

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks for the comment, we would love to have a go in one as well!

[@burnercan]

Great content, well done! What are you using for the 3D modeling? Or is that a physical model sitting on the table..?

[@huatseng6037]

Do more rally cars! like peugeot 205, the lancia stratos! Those are pretty iconic

[@OMENAKAKKU-ex5rw]

NICE ONE

[@joshuaburke1705]

Sick vid

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks!

[@scopex2749]

INCREDIBLE MACHINE!!

[@thunderheads4103]

Lancia is not "one of the greatest". They ARE the greatest ever. Forza Lancia, true Italian Supercar

[@emanemanrus5835]

I would not exactly call the Y "supercar"

[@thunderheads4103]

@@emanemanrus5835 lol no, there are also Ferrari that are not supercar either

[@Restilia_ch]

Looked this up thanks to this car being amazing in Forza Horizon 4. Class B, A, and S1 it is a monster on the dirt or cross country.

[@CD-Gaming]

I ran it on Forza Motorsport 4 and the insane grip off the line... it's jus, hold the accelerator, don't even get halfway through the first letter of "go" and you have grip! Oh and, er, well, bye! *waves as passing everyone*

[@Bohoro]

It's kinda sad that the forza team gives more attention to some modified drift cars than this beast. The fh4 version doesn't even have a supercharger and does 0-60 in 3.6 seconds on tarmac when in reality the s4 did 0-60 in 2.3 seconds on gravel

[@martinmaxx73]

Nice video! Maybe you should make a video about the Porsche 959/961/959 Dakar

[@WhispersOfWind]

Everything this guy says is remarkable. The car is unbelievable.

[@matthewspence7476]

Group b cars were designed with one purpose: get from a to b as fast as possible. Everything else was second priority, including human life.

[@junioradult6219]

Lol isnt that the whole point of racing😂😂

[@Krystalmyth]

I'm more a fan of the Lancia Rally 037, but Ryu and Ken am I right? In the end both are masterpieces.

[@BOABModels]

Really great video! I subscribed! May I ask, what software are you using to edit your video? Thanks!

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks, I mainly use After Effects, C4D, Blender and Premiere Pro.

[@philiptownsend4026]

@@garagedreams6163 You are a very skilled video maker.

[@theephemeralglade1935]

Hey, Luigi! That skid plate is just gonna slow us down! Get rid of it! 🤕😵☠💀

[@npharkes]

Incredibly well put together video! You deserve WAY more subs :)

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks for the great comment!

[@DMGaina]

"Kay Gee" Okay man, you're the first person I have ever heard in my entire life saying "Kaygee" to kg

[@tonypowers123]

Can you please post/make a video about the Opel Manta ? 🙏

[@user-tj9nw8qw1p]

the best rally team!!!

[@camrsr5463]

I would like to see a video about the Porsche 908. Or a video about the evolution of Porsche's 904, 6, and 908.....but leave out the 917....we've heard enough about that thing!

[@georjaum12]

Nice video man! Now you ask the cars I d'like to see (and have) Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale 1957 Ferrari Testarossa 250 Jaguar XJ13 Shelby Daytona Porsche Porsche Flat 16 Spyder - (917 -16 cylinder) C2 Corvette Grand Sport Peugeot 905 evo SLR Mclaren

[@upwaveflash8429]

Deadly but beautiful What was that The golden group B of speed and dirt

[@mark6491]

nice video...add cutaway drawing

[@michaelhall736]

I want that model of the Delta.

[@jerymcervantes9493]

Good mustard inspired video

[@garagedreams6163]

Thanks, Mustard's videos are definitely an inspiration for this channel. His video quality is incredible.

[@nightdriver7216]

Literally. Because it was simply too much. 600 bhp, short wheelbase, lightweight. An inhuman monster.

[@BaconFrisbee]

Who would have thought that going 0-60 in under 3 seconds on gravel could be dangerous

[@wainakariuki3107]

Possible to do a Series on how Toyota dominated the Safari rally:-) brilliant work thanks👍

[@michelpesenti141]

The beast !

[@samarthgupta8770]

u should make more videos more often

[@garagedreams6163]

Would love to but these videos take quite a long time to make, especially rendering the animations. Currently working on a video on the Benz Motorwagen at the moment, so will hopefully have that out in the not to distant future. Thanks for the comment, really appreciate it!

[@mattlott8766]

Nice to hear a farmiliar nz accent !

[@screenfixer1936]

Insane car

[@glensgraphix]

Love the computer animation.

[@abdurahmancecilio4039]

The way you make the videos is just amazing, you just earned a new subscriber keep it up and i want a Topic about the Toyota GT-One or Mercedes Benz CLK GTR if possible

[@fmon846]

When the brain can’t keep up at the insane brutal power and acceleration. If Ferrari and Lamborghini are what they’re nowadays needs to thanks Lancia squadra corse team for the innovative technology and development.. the Blue “scudetto” will be alway in my heart. R.I.P. Champs!

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

I drive the lancia 037 (ralleye) in GTA 5 online. It's a beast.

[@mathew3267]

Game Over Yeah!

[@branon6565]

It's not pronounced "Lan-see-ah", gotta remember it's an Italian last name, so it's pronounced "Lan-Chya"....

[@gufo_tave]

Don't worry. Everybody not used to italian phonetic alphabet will mistake the "c" for an "s"...

[@Charkunt.d5]

@@gufo_tave very informative! I’m an English speaker and I never understood why, cell! Is spelt, sell! 😵 of course it didn’t make sense until now so thank you 😊

[@leftright6054]

I thought the same that I call it Lan-cha.

[@Ben-nn7ls]

I call it Lan-Cha

[@sen_ex]

If only that was the only thing wrong with this video lol

[@thetreblerebel]

The Quattro Sport is pretty cool too tho!!

[@henryjohn2218]

legend it was a death monster. l love a car that eats its itself. italians were first at TSI technology bye bye germans.

[@badgers1975]

And putting n2o in extinguisher bottles

[@gufo_tave]

@@badgers1975 Explain, please...

[@AlanahJakob96]

woaltr rowl, absolute legend

[@soupgod7780]

you need 1000 subs

[@CD-Gaming]

I still love old Lancias, having a unique relatio-wait, is that a Delta model kit!? Imnotjealousatallhowdareyou!?!?

[@lovingtanja]

Have you found out about the model?

[@-kajczy7659]

you could speak in the video about what haopemd with the cars like using them at rallycross

[@theant9821]

The integrale had no relationship with the S4 other than the team that ran it.

[@will1_a.m649]

Could you do a video on the Peugeot 205 T16?

[@garagedreams6163]

Will do at some point. These videos just take me a while as it is just me doing them. Currently working on a Porsche 917 video at the moment.

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

8:22 what happened was henri Toivonen and his co driver Sergio cresto brought their lancia towards the flat out approach to the tightening left hander and they didn’t even make it they were too fast and that sent the lancia off the road erupt to flames and killing henri Toivonen and Sergio cresto

[@gregy67mead]

Should have mentioned the placement of the fuel tanks , next to the driver, which may have contributed to the explosion of Henri's car and little chance of surviving the accident