The Hound Hunters Are Back at Our Farm

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[@The_Sin_Squad]

At this point I'm concerned someone in this hound hunter circle is going to try and hurt Morgan. Out of morbid curiosity I checked out Spear's Facebook page, and someone actually said "time to shoot back" in the comment section of that bear photo (with Spear lamenting that he would do so if he didn't have to worry about his dogs getting shot). I mean, Spear is almost certainly bluffing, but in times like these it's so hard to tell. Glad Morgan has Toby and Abby to alert them at night if one of Spear's fans tries anything. Morgan: what you're doing is incredible, and as a fawner/someone who struggles to stand up for herself, I'm really inspired by your calm, open but firm stance. I also want to say though, that while I bet you don't want to/would never do so...if by some chance you ever feel like you need to step back from this hound hunting debate for your own safety, we'll understand. These people have guns and some of them appear to be wrapped up in conspiracy theories. What you're doing is so admirable, and I know a big sub count may come with responsibilities, but at the same time there's your own safety to contend with, and if this gets to be too much then you deserve to be able to live your life.

[@alphanerd7221]

Please. They are such cowards they have dogs do all their work.

[@rock2946]

@B Complex I'm not sure authorities would do anything but it is worth reporting still

[@knshield9684]

Oh good grief! What a load of crap! Noone is going to hurt poor Morgan. I'll bet if you befriended some of them, you'd realize they bring a LOT benefit to an ecology that can be overrun by coons. And for your ducks and goose.... dUH!!

[@paulvcope]

Vermont really needs to rebalance it's priorities and respect property owners above people that don't own the land. Hunting is important, and should be protected from those that want to outlaw it, but it should be limited to land that they have express permission to be on.

[@Fiona2254]

I can’t understand why Vermont is unable to do this. It’s actually done in Texas and it actually easy to post your land with purple paint on posts or trees on your fence line. Even if there’s no fence a purple tree marks where you’d be trespassing.

[@Fiona2254]

Purple marked tree. A band of purple paint around the trunk at the height the fence would be.

[@dixiecyrus8136]

Yep, you don't do that down here in the south, if you don't have permission you can't hunt on someone else's property. If you do and are caught you will either leave in a cruiser or a body bag.

[@dixiecyrus8136]

You CAN train dogs to come back.

[@rubywolf1239]

Why are you allowed to hunt bears I find it so unnecessary. I get the sport thing but why bears. And the meat prices are higher but they are generally low because of mass production

[@chrisnagy377]

Look at these noble woodsmen watching their dogs on gps from their pickups. True skill

[@LB-uo7xy]

Exactly. Again hunters= lazy version of a livestock farmer.

[@chrisnagy377]

@@LB-uo7xy I wouldn't go that far. Some hunters (including me, i would like to think) use skill and patience to get their food (I'm likely more patience than skill...).

[@Princemoon1]

Don’t know what your talking about

[@nicolamarkus3177]

The impeccable grammar of Mr. Spear’s Facebook post tells me everything I need to know about him.

[@Greg29]

I'm not a fan of Texas, but one thing they have right is hunters must explicitly have permission from landowners to hunt on their property, with no assumption that it's ok beforehand. And penalties are pretty big for violations.

[@tabytastick]

"And penalties are pretty big for violations" From what I understand of Taxas' castle laws "pretty big" could mean life.

[@brianmilette]

This isn’t the same as regular hunting

[@goldengryphon]

@@tabytastick If I'm living on land in the country and some stranger shows up around my livestock carrying a rifle? H E L L Y E A H that's a good way to end up unlifed. Texas Castle laws aren't fool proof, but they make it better for people to live safely.

[@goldengryphon]

@@brianmilette ? Yes, it is. You see a field that looks good for hunting and you stop to ask for permission, or buy a weekend "rental"? That's regular hunting. Places will set up for deer or turkey - making sure that there are plenty of food plants in the area or managing their land for good hunting - you might pay for the service, but it's only a "canned hunt" if there's a guarantee. If you're running around on public land and end up on someone's range, you ask for permission to be there. Most people will let you, especially if you're chasing a wounded animal, but if you don't ask you're rude and in violation. Breaking the law gets you a fine if you're caught, but if you're a rude hunter the word will spread quickly.

[@victoriabaker4400]

@@goldengryphon What Brian Milette was saying is that the hound hunting, as practiced in Vermont, is not the same as regular hunting, which is factual.

[@jaridkeen123]

Im a hunter and if a Land Owner doesnt want you on there land its wrong to continue to hunt that land. Im really suprised this is legal. Atleast knock on the farmers door and ask if you can hunt the land for specific animals, they might let you. Some farmers are old and they cant maintain the Deer population on there land and its effecting were crops

[@SunnieDIY]

💯 its all about doing it in a way you dont infringe on others rights. Its only legal there because Butch and his cronies pushed that law into place. It is a case of law infringing on rights instead of reflecting rights and those bs laws are always put into place by people who feel entitled to infringe on others rights to begin with.

[@johng2762]

They aren’t hunting on his land, they hunt a properly near his land. A pack of bear dogs got past the hunters 1 time and he acts like they’re the worst people in the world, they didn’t go on his land to shoot the bear they went to get the dogs and leave. He’s throwing the bear hunting group in the argument of some coon hunters that dropped dogs illegally on his land and said the had permission to hunt it. If he was making the video about what the coon hunters did yeah, but acting high and mighty when hunters couldn’t get their dogs caught in time, and a different group purposely going on his property are 2 different situations.

[@SunnieDIY]

@@johng2762 they have actually tresspassed at bare minimum 2 times this time they didnt. He didnt make them leave they chose to. He told them stay off the first time as they threw a bloody fit after the whole we have permission from the owner thing didnt go over. Then the second time likely because of those people, Butch showed up and trespassed saying he has a right to etc and the rest of his bs. No one tried to stop the dogs before because they thought they had a right to be there. This time these guys intentionally tried to get Morgans attention going back and forth on a public road they had a right to be on so Morgan went to see what is up on a public road he too has a right to be on. He says just make sure they dont come on my land the guys say their dogs are tone trained and Morgan says he would love to see that. Even gave them props for the control they had over their dogs. He did not make them leave or collect their dogs they chose to but turned it around to play victim like pathetic losers mad because Morgan will not have bear hunting on his land. Had they just showed Morgan their dogs are under control they could have showed the bettet side of bear hunting. Yet instead they tried to bait him and Morgan filmed it all. He didnt interfere he observed. He asked them to keep them off his land they chose to bring them in. Again before NO ONE TRIED STOPPING THE DOGS AS THE HUNTERS ON BOTH OCCASIONS (Butch was the second time filmed) said they had a right to be on his land. So not sure where you get this bs from when evidence (from their own mouths as it was happening) suggests otherwise 🤦‍♀️

[@johng2762]

@@SunnieDIY your ignorance to hound hunting makes me laugh now could they have rode past his house to get his attention? Sure but why would they knowing he’s coming out with a camera and act like a dick. Dogs will chase a animal an then it turns an runs the opposite way, it seems like they were doing what they could to stay off his property. Butch was the guy who’s dogs accidentally crossed onto his property and they had the right to go get their dogs and butch was very respectful to the city boy moving out in the country to play farmer. The only videos he’s posted was 1: Coon hunters turning dogs loose onto his property saying they had permission. 2: video with butch where the dogs accidentally got onto his property. 3: this video where the tried and did keep them off his property. And look at the clickbait victim title of the video. He’s just begging for attention.

[@SunnieDIY]

@@johng2762 Also it makes no sense to alienate yourselves from would be allies. So many people today are trying to end all hunting. What is the smart response a) act like entitled aholes that can infringe on someone elses rights and tresspass or b) show you understand the issue here is landowners are sick of being told there are excuses for people to tresspass backed by law and even if they have animals they dont want killed people can let their dogs loose and trespass anyway. Show you get that and you will make sure that part stops and compromise with a fully reasonable request and not alienate those of us who actually sympathize and see the importance of hunting. To me b) is the intelligent option. So many of us see importance in hunting whether we hunt or not. When you show you are the aggressors against landowners infringing on their rights and saying you cant do anything about it we are clearly going to side for the landowner. If it was an accident we wouldnt have seen footage on both incidents (where they actually tresspassed) where they said they were allowed there no matter what the owner said. We did however. Be part of the solution not the problem. Reject the premise that you have a right to be on others land without that owners personal permission (not the state) or lose it all together when people push back. If you defend Butch when the rest of us watched the actual video footage of him saying that whole bs about his rights to be there on Morgans land and you defend Butch saying it was an accident your community just looks like a bunch of man baby bullies. Which is messed up because most hound hunters arent (also not all hound hunters are men and not all men are man babies. I consider grown men who act like playground bullies to be manbabies. Hence Butch and those defending his actions including trying to bait Morgan in this incident when they could have just showed they can comply with landowners rights and can control their dogs. They chose to make it about something else).

[@jackalopesage1206]

My second dog was a lost hunting dog never claimed by the owner it was GPS collard but no one ever came for it. I took it to the shelter and ended up adopting him through a finder's hold.

[@robertreagan2181]

Big respect to the two guys who can control their hunt and dogs while respecting your land. I'm sure Butch could do it too, but he wants everyone to respect him without having to respect others.

[@Trythis837]

You mean by how he knocked on Morgan’s door and respectfully asked if he could retrieve his dogs? What a horrible person..

[@consistentbass]

Exactly. But to get respect you got to give respect. I am a hunter. And I like dog hunting but I believe the law is wrong on this one.

[@Trythis837]

@@consistentbass vermont is an open access state. If he wanted to be the “get off my land” type then he should’ve moved to Texas. There’s a place for everyone and Vermont isn’t for him.

[@Trythis837]

@@consistentbass you also have to remember that butch spears didn’t go onto his land without permission. He could’ve and this Shaw lad would never of known but he didn’t. He went to his door and asked him respectfully. Shaw proceeded to flip out. When a person moves from one state to another they should pick a state with their values. He should’ve picked one of the no trespassing states.

[@rock2946]

​@@Trythis837But why didn't he ask prior to hunting? It's good manners to go before your hunt to the owners of the property and ask

[@simdoughnut659]

As soon as he said your name without you telling him it, that set off Red Flags for me.

[@Tea-N-Tea]

Right?? Like you totally know someone told them about Morgan, maybe even told them to hunt around his farm? People are that way.....

[@kdkrueger112]

They respected his property and were set up to stay off... not sure it's a red flag moment.

[@simdoughnut659]

@@kdkrueger112 I live in a very rural area like Morgan, and around here most people know the names of all the locals. If some guy I've never seen before shows up on my property and addresses me by my first name without me telling him, I'm gonna wonder how he came by that information. Maybe Krueger you just don't know what a red flag is.

[@simdoughnut659]

@@TKinfinity01 Butch's son should have spent less time hound hunting and more time in school learning to read and write properly.

[@candidegunn3624]

Yep, that is why they were driving back and forth in front of his driveway, they went to his farm to start shit and they wanted to make sure he saw them.

[@Gala-yp8nx]

The Vermont Fish and Wildlife Commission is absolutely in cahoots with the Hound Hunters. Morgan is absolutely not the only Vermonter who wants Hound Hunting either regulated more tightly or banned outright.

[@gary6676]

True, we have many new people here that came here to get away from some place, and now want to change what was already here

[@inannaliban]

@@gary6676 Hound hunting today is not the same as it was even 60 years ago. I do not believe that they should be able to let them roam at great distance with GPS collars. If they stuck to actual traditional methods it would not be so much of an issue. You complain about "new people" changing things, but not the fact that they hunters themselves have changed things buy using GPS instead of keeping dogs within line of sight or hearing.

[@gary6676]

@Dancing Daisies Umm.....I own my share of land in VT. How about you? Doubtful

[@gary6676]

@@inannaliban The same type of hunting was done before, just without GPS tech to follow your dogs

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

@@inannaliban It does seem like they changed the laws in principle by extending it to dogs with radio collars. If the hunters had to be within sound, if not sight, of the hounds that would make more sense.

[@KirasKatt]

I just want to say how helpful these videos are to me. I'm looking into buying land in a wooded area that frequently has bears. These have encouraged me to look into the local laws about signage and trespassing

[@gravitas6170]

lol when they said they were keeping bears off his land. I'm like, WHO THE FUCK ASKED YOU TO?!

[@janelledowney]

"I don't want to be on KZbin." "You don't have a choice." Good for you, Morgan. Just to reiterate: you don't have any expectation of privacy when you're in public. You can film or take photos of anyone who is standing on public property. Also, if you own property, you can take video and pictures of anyone who is standing on your property. Someone can ASK you not to film them, but it's up to the you, the photographer to honor that request (and you are under no legal obligation to do so.)

[@TheCriminalViolin]

Also depending on the state laws, you can also record even on private property audio and/or video without another person's permission or knowledge. In Oregon, that's true, as in the early or mid 2010s, we passed the law allowing of it, for safety & legal reasons.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

Roads are public property. And frankly, if you're within a certain distance of a public space and not inside a building? You have no reasonable expectation of privacy and can thus be filmed/recorded. And then there's the recording laws of each state. I know my state is One Party Consent - as long as the person doing the recording is in the conversation, it's legal and they don't have to inform anyone that they are recording either. VT is also a One Party Consent state. Ofc, that mostly applies to audio recordings. Video recordings differ a bit based upon what the person being recorded is doing and whether or not they have "reasonable expectation of privacy." VT does explicitly prohibit recording someone engaging in sexual acts without their express permission, but other than that, it's all based on "reasonable expectation of privacy." Standing on the side of the road, no one would have an expectation of privacy.

[@Tanks_In_Space]

@@SadisticSenpai61 Niice speech, but it those 2 hunters gonna complain at google about showing their face in the video google can remove the video .. that's why their faces got blurred

[@wildsheepc]

It also turns out that it really WAS necessary to film the interaction since the hunters decided to claim to Vermont Fish and Wildlife that he was interfering with their hunt. He has proof of exactly what went down.

[@reddevved]

not quite right, it doesn't matter if they are on public property, but if you as the filmer is on public property or property you can legally be on

[@HeadsorTailors]

This is so hilarious to me because in any other rural state you'd get chased off property with fire arms. My family used to ask to go into neighboring property if the animal they were hunting had run over the property line while tracking. Literally would call em up and get the okay before proceeding even if that meant losing the animal.

[@gary6676]

Not true at all in Maine. New Hampshire or Vermont

[@naerwyn239]

Exactly. These people could have been LEGALLY shot-on-sight for this, in MANY states. Entitled little dog-handlers of Vermont State have no respect and no honour.

[@TheCriminalViolin]

That's how most hunters still do it. It's called common sense and respect. These guys on the other hand have no respect for themselves or others and really do like making absolute asses outta themselves, and that's not a insult at all, just a state of observable fact. A disgrace and gut shot to all honest, respectful hunters out there, which are in fact the majority.

[@Winterascent]

I think this is a new England thing, as in the south, hunting leases were a big deal and no land owner would tolerate this sort of trespassing. Not to mention the person holding the hunt lease would be very angry that someone was taking the game they were paying to hunt.

[@extraslayar4585]

@@Winterascent Up in the east coast we also have alot of dumb laws. I'm in Massachusetts. Our LTC (License to carry firearms mostly for pistols and self protection) requires you to exhaust all options before you even draw your firearm. The way the laws are written and I have people I personally know effected by them, you can not draw your firearm until you are cornered, have called the cops, and the intruder is actively going after you and they are pretty much already attacking you. Even then a Judge can and will argue. "well the cops were around the corner why didn't you just take a couple slashes with the knife before they got there?".

[@tarahunter3469]

I am a land owner and I also hunt and trap. I would never ever go onto anyone’s property without permission. And you were completely respectful to those hunters and asked them to retrieve their dogs. I get that they were disappointed because they want to hunt that bear but the fact that they were so irritated they reported you was ridiculous. People like this make the rest of us who hunt look bad.

[@SimplyHolisticASMR]

i respect how you handled this, its not easy to be firm AND come off as polite or understanding. and you did a great job. i hope i can learn these skills too someday!

[@mikemike9501]

He had no choice in the way he handled it cause he’s such a bitch

[@SimplyHolisticASMR]

@@mikemike9501 mike. your kind of nasty one arent you

[@derekk.2263]

"I don't know if you've bought burger at the store recently, it's pretty expensive" Yes and I'm sure spending thousands of dollars on dogs and GPS collars saves you so much on meat.

[@FK-lq8zf]

Also for all the time spent hunting and processing the meat, it would be more efficient to pick up some extra work (paid by the hour) and BUY SOME BURGERS WITH THE MONEY

[@liriodendronlasianthus]

Plus, don't they hunt bears?

[@tmlawson751]

I honestly wouldn't want to eat a wild animal because of parasites in the meat. People can get sick from an animal they didn't know was sick.

[@candidegunn3624]

Yep, when my husband used to go hunting he claimed it was to put meat on the table too...I pointed out that with what he spent on leases, tags, guns, ammo, hunting gear etc. that meat cost over $600.00 a pound. It is fine if they want to go hunting and go years without getting anything...but stop lying about, they just do it for fun.

[@doggolovescheese1310]

Yeah it's all to torment and kill an animal yee haw

[@ksay34]

100% agree with you. I had an incident years ago with bird hunters flushing birds from the property next to mine over my horse pasture then shooting birds over the heads of my horses in my field. Needless to say my horses were completely freaking out. My property was properly posted. In my state they were in the wrong and the threating attitude they took with me when I ran out and asked them to stop was uncalled for. They only stopped when I told them that any injury caused to my horses would be redressed in court. From then on I did not turn the horses out in the pasture furthest from the house during hunting season. That makes me angry as I should have every right to use my property in full for any legal purpose. The property owners behind me have that right as well, and I totally support him allowing hunting on his land. Shooting into my property however, is not ok. Why is it people shout about their freedoms, but have no problem "treading" on others'? They can't have it both ways.

[@alistairjamesheaton9155]

It’s a matter of respect & common sense. Those hunters lacked both.

[@hey-is1ll]

The Goonies is one of my favorite movies! I love your Hoodie Morgan!

[@davidwhite533]

I grew up running around the woods in what Texas referred to as a non-regulatory county. Translation; yes, you can run deer with dogs across everyone else's property, but you had to leave if asked, and if someone else "took" your kill on their property, that was the breaks. What put an end to it: deer hunting became big business, and landowners realized they could make big money doing leases, leases which require private property to be strictly enforced. And so the non-regulatory counties were forced to give up their dogs. (The timber companies played a role as well.) So if you're going to get traction for banning running game with dogs, that's probably your best bet.

[@mgguygardening]

This is just so weird to me. I live in Ontario (Canada) and am a hunter. We are not allowed to enter private property, even to chase a wounded animal, without the owner's permission. I also don't consider treeing an animal so you can take an easy shot hunting. Morgan, I appreciate you distinguishing the difference between what these people are doing and using hounds to flush animals or follow a scent.

[@simdoughnut659]

Yeah, I'm convinced that hound hunting is for lazy people who aren't really all that interested in the sport. Then again I feel like hunters who hang out in blinds or tree stands all day are more like glampers than real hunters.

[@duhduhvesta]

Nh hunters don’t do this either and it’s just wrong they feel entitled to terrorize farmers because their daddy said so. The laws need to change in Vermont

[@simdoughnut659]

@@duhduhvesta In Minnesota we have very restrictive hound hunting laws. If a dog is spotted chasing big game between Jan 1-Jul 14 they can be legally shot by anyone, and game wardens can shoot them year round.

[@juliejay5436]

Where I am from, if someone's dog enters private land and starts chasing live stock, the farmer has the right to shoot the dog to protect his cattle.

[@rookiefloridasportsman7787]

It 100% hunting the trespassing and other shit aside it is hunting

[@judykinsman3258]

Thanks Morgan for this video. I had to shake my head when he talked about meat in the grocery while he’s involved with a VERY expensive method of getting his meat. It’s very disappointing that the state agency is so biased to the bear hunters & that the laws do not protect private land owners.

[@kvineet631]

I was also thinking that. How can you justify the cost of maintaining multiple dogs and gear and all that driving around plus hours and hours of time of the people managing all this against the burger being pricy? Like whaat?

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

Bear also has to be cooked more thoroughly than beef for safety due to the possible presence of parasites.

[@harpintn]

@@kvineet631 Very little hunting is done for subsistence. It is a hobby and a way of life for most hunters. I have no problem with hunters, but they need to respect private property, and only hunt on land that they have permission to hunt on.

[@naerwyn239]

That was my immediate thought!!!!!!!!!!! "Beef is so expensive, which is why I drive back and forth for miles and miles with my diesel truck, why I feed and house ten dogs, and why I buy GPS equipment!" - A Fool

[@andrewj5998]

Is bear meat any good? I honestly never heard of anybody eating black bear except in historical accounts and in the movies. I've always thought that bears are primarily hunted nowadays for their hides. If you wanted inexpensive and delicious (if it's field dressed and cooked properly) meat, wouldn't it be much easier to hunt deer?

[@northofeight349]

All I could think of when the older man asked where you were from is, “Pepperidge Farms remembers!”

[@dooyeedangriverhounds5282]

What beautifully breed hounds. Loomed like they are well cared for aswell. His got them trained well for hunting bears. What a beautiful sight. Much love for all. May god bless the lot of yas. Long live the hound hunters. Only those of us that have taken the time to understand will truly know 😉. If ya know ya know 😊

[@anitraahrens905]

Morgan, I'm completely and totally with you on this whole issue. The fact that they knew who you were, makes it seem you were a "target" and their intent was to push the boundaries.

[@TSUNAMI-MAMI]

Yup. This was definitely a coordinated effort

[@shariselove]

or maybe to prove that the dogs can be controlled🤔

[@kingkottah]

@@shariselove Why would they then go and report him to Fish and Wildlife then? They purposely went there to get him in trouble for interfering with the hunt without any legal right to do so. He essentially kicked them off his neighbours land which isn't signposted, really he only has a right to stop them from bringing their dogs onto his property so he should've stayed with them while they were on his property boundary and only requested them to retrieve their dogs if they crossed the road onto his property.

[@MajesticalHonky]

@@shariselove In which case they "targeted" him.

[@kileystoll608]

They 100% just wanted to see what you would do

[@Hunterstiq]

I remember asking my grandfather about hound hunting , around 2015. He was from VT, large landowner he had 5 fields he grew crops in and sizable natural forest that my mom and some local kids loved to play in. He tells a story decades ago (around the mid 70s) of waking up from a nap and hearing absolute chaos, dogs howling and vicious barking and screaming children. He ran and got his rifle, threw on a orange jacket, a handful of extra rounds and ran into forest area, calling out for my mother. When he got to the scene, he said his stomach was in knots. Blood was everywhere, 2 dogs were shredded to bits. A large black bear was scrambling up a partially collapsed tree, blood soaked on his hind legs, later found out it was shot twice trying to escape. Three kids, my mom and a two friends, up another tree and were sobbing, fine but terrified. My grandfather was running on adrenaline, shouted at the kids to stay there and then he shot the bear. Boom, fell to the ground. Thats when three people started hollering out, running excitedly to the scene. They quickly turned into rage as they found out that someone else was in on”their hunt.” My grandfather coaxed the little ones out of the tree, told my mother to go phone the F&W department and then direct the officer into the forest, then phone the neighbor to see if they could send their older sons to come over and babysit for a few hours. For the next hour a barely contained shouting match occurred where loaded weapons were waved around on both sides. The “hunters” left minutes before law enforcement showed up, not only leaving behind their “trophy” but also their wounded dogs. Dogs that my grandfather and the officer had to put down. The bear was confiscated by F&W. Nothing was done about the” hunters” much to grandfather aggravation. He wrote local and state government but was widely ignored, hunting permits were believed to be a booming revenue, that the hunting season would be tourists season. I hate it, not just because the cruelty of what you are putting the animals through, nor the disrespect to private property ‘well I have to go on your property to get my hounds.’ But the blatant inaction, this method of hunting is a idiotic and bound to provoke a serious conflict. Even ideal situation with hound hunting in a isolated empty forest, your hounds could get hurt or lost. Hunting on someone’s property who gives you permission, still asking for trouble because like an”expert” says in his own words that I am paraphrasing “we don’t control the bear.” Tldr: at the very very very least, they need to put laws in place to structure hound hunting, protect the rights of the hunters but especially of private property owners. If not abolish this stupid practice all together

[@naerwyn239]

Modern Hounding isn't hunting. It's dog-handling. There is no honour, history, or sport in it. The people of the State of Vermont should feel ashamed at the way their state is run when it comes to this.

[@allyfrank11]

You know I can totally understand being proud of what you've taught your dog and the communication and relationship you've built. I can't understand using that to then put your dog in a position where it could die a horrible excruciating death, to try to terrify a wild animal before killing it, and trespass and piss off multiple land owners in the process. If you have 100 acres and you truly have control of your dogs and can guarantee their safety, ok I guess. But to say these people can go wherever tf they want, endangering their own animals, wildlife, and the animals of every property owner they encounter is such BS. It's odd because American seems so "me, me, me," and "my property," (yes I'm American,) but in this situation you have no control over your own property?

[@susanpendell4215]

I'm surprised that your grandfather had enough composer not to shoot the so called hunters, it would have served them right after all of the terror of his wife and children, but also the loss of his own dogs. The hunters owed him big time and no justice was served.

[@Hunterstiq]

@@allyfrank11 It is very much a double standard. There is hunting and then there is barely contained chaos

[@Hunterstiq]

@@gary6676 No, Blaze Orange has been a thing since the 60s and this happened in the 70s

[@d.oliveras8012]

I strongly believe if you’re a legal land owner and you pay your taxes towards your private property land. Then you should own all rights to be respected not only by state and town but also not limited to any trespassers who wishes to hunt or trespass for whatever means. Love your videos god bless

[@kristinaanderson8644]

It takes a big man to admit that he is wrong. I really appreciate these educational videos. I wish your fish and wildlife would entertain a q&a.

[@duncang8960]

This is so bizarre to me. It would never fly where I'm from. Trespassing is an extreme offense and you and your dogs would be lucky not to get shot at by some angry farmer. Also, a lot of people's dogs are trained specifically for the elimination and discouragement of threats such as coyotes, wolves, and bears. I wouldn't want my dog to show up on someone's posted property. That would be a nightmare.

[@Jinxness]

I mean that's even something the hunters have complained about. That Toby is a threat to them and their animals as a livestock protection dog if they were to 'accidentally' cross onto the property to retrieve their dogs. The mental gymnastics involved to keep wanting to do it anyway are ridiculous.

[@alistairjamesheaton9155]

@@Jinxness Morgan like many folk have guardian dogs because they want the security but also not to be at war with with predators. These hound hunters don’t It’s allot easier for everyone to have hazed coyotes whose patch includes goldshaw than a constant stream new coyotes. A sow bear teaching her cubs to avoid guardian dogs electric fences etc makes life easier. Plus bears are unpredictable & being hazed by guardian dogs to keep them away from property makes more sense than running them up a tree, killing one then dealing again with an another unhazed bear

[@macroisthemicro]

The reason we buy land is for it to be ours, not the public. VT has some very backwards laws.

[@samgay9571]

I think it's pretty common to have laws requiring land to be posted, but the Vermont laws definitely put an undue burden on the land owner. I'm in Maine, and we have the purple blaze law, and you'll see that a lot when out in the woods or on snowmobile trails. It works well and most people are familiar and respectful of posted property, although this might be a cultural thing.

[@shariselove]

agreed

[@Winterascent]

Agreed. Let them pay for it if they want to use the land.

[@grumbleback5718]

@@PD-we8vf OH please, get a grip and stop watching Fox news.

[@ez2733]

@@PD-we8vf democrats putting on hoodies and hopping into their pickup trucks to go hunting. What an image. 😂

[@garretts91]

I'm happy you've again made it clear you're not against hunting in general. VT is a rural state with many public lands. Hunters and Fisherman are among the largest contributors to wildlife and land conservation! That is such a positive thing for VT.

[@claytonberg721]

At the same time however the notion that bear is good eating is often times very false. They aren't terrible if they are on a mostly vegetarian diet but in places where they have high protein diets, such as fish or garbage they can taste so bad you can't even make sausage out of them. Like Morgan said, deer don't really have natural predators anymore. they are good eating. While many who hunt bear are putting meat in the freezer they're mostly doing it for trophy reasons. Secure your garbage and other sources of bear food and generally they'll leave you be. If a bear is habituated to a place where they find food (such as your garbage) they'll keep going there their entire lives, whether your garbage is out or not, and they'll teach their young to go there. Securing your trash is bear 101.

[@matthewcornelison4786]

I’m thankful butch is doing well

[@MoonlightGuided]

Hearing about this is so strange for me, out where I live I would never dream of intentionally entering some ones property for fear of getting gunned down by an angry farmer.

[@ghostpatriot2370]

Exactly

[@duncang8960]

Yeah man in a lot of places it'd be 100% legal to shoot those dogs if they were on your property. They are a danger to your animals.

[@seaside2001]

So what you are saying is that your private property is not your private property and we can all just walk all over it whenever we feel like it? This is totally wrong. I would never dream of entering someone's property without being invited to do so.

[@sswwooppee]

@@seaside2001 I don’t think that’s what he was saying at all.

[@Battleray]

Exactly

[@uppityupshaw]

Poor Butch! Saying out loud what we already knew...he wishes he could have the good ole' days of the 1800's! I commend you for holding firm on your stance against your private property being used against your wishes!

[@kater9796]

yeah, the good old days of 1800s when you could put a radio collar on your dog and jump in your pickup to follow him.

[@cybern00b78]

What's really crazy is that people like this would NOT allow people to come on to their property. I have a buddy who hunts dogs and he says where his dogs go he goes but turns around and says that if someone comes on to his property "they're going to have issues."

[@darlenelarochelle4011]

Isn't that ALWAYS the case. The offenders of others rights howl the loudest when they are encroached upon.

[@rock2946]

It's entitlement at it's finest

[@wesleytravis5651]

Dogs and bear don't know boundaries

[@jennifergriffiths42]

These people are ridiculous. You are so good at keeping your cool. I have 2 modes, too anxious to say anything or explosive rage. Neither are great options. You are awesome.

[@sarahdy496]

I have been admiring your persistence with these 'hunters'. I'm in extreme southern Missouri, 10 miles from Arkansas, and had my very own poacher almost 40 years. I would confront him and think it was settled... but of course he was always back. As of last month, I have outlived him, but I'm sure someone else will take his place. If it happens, I'll hobble up in my woods, a grey haired hillbilly granny, and run them off too.

[@petgranny194]

Congratulations on outliving the poacher!

[@ignightroad]

I'm from Rhode Island but I lived in both Missouri and OKlahoma for a while, where hunters are pretty prevalent. There's hunting seasons, permits, and you can NOT hunt in rural areas unless permitted. The fact these guys keep doing this INTENTIONALLY is awful, because someone's gonna get hurt, and I have a feeling it's not gonna be the hunters or the hounds.

[@brentgraves8165]

If the dogs threaten your property on your property, shoot the dog. End of story.

[@sarahdy496]

@@ignightroad I was the farmer on our farm, not my husband. That means it wasn't "really" a farm bc.. there was no man onsite. After my 2nd husband died, it was so bad I finally leased the hunting rights to a couple of retired LEOs from the delta. About 5 years ago I got a call from Ray, on the first day of the season, asking if I had allowed someone to build a tree stand at one of my corners. His brother, who had a tower at the bottom of a steep hill noticed movement and studied it to be sure.. and it was my poacher, with no orange, climbing up a tree stand. So my beau and I quick stepped up into the woods to see for ourselves. My beau took his fancy camera and recorded every step. We met LEO1 and finished the walk up, and sure enough, it was Jones. His tree stand was on the neighboring farm, but I knew MrB didn't want anyone shooting 'his deer' that he fed in his backyard. So Jones reluctantly came down his stand to see why we were all standing there staring at him. Before I could say anything LEO1 started talking lawman talk. Told him he was violating.. code # whatever, of the Missouri conservation book. Then he asked to see his license. Jones told him no he didn't have one. So Leo1 told him he's lucky his brother didn't shoot him when he detected motion, since he wasn't wearing orange. Jones started coming over the gate, LEO1 reached for him, too. It was quite a scene.. and my beau got every word and gesture. The finale was Jones returning to his tree stand, and picking up his gun and threatening to shoot all of us. It was crazy. Of course I called the sheriff. They didn't care a bit. LEO1 was telling me exactly what to saw in legalese. FInally a deputy showed up, and listened to all of us.. but he hadn't brought a report form or anything else. Finally allowed that we could come to the sheriff's department "if we wanted to" on a weekday and fill our a form. Beau kept saying "he threatened to shoot us!" So then I called our game warden. He's a pal of one of my daughters, and he showed up really fast. We told him the Jones story, and the deputy story, and it was very satisfying. Game Warden took our report, took the deputy's name, rolling his eyes, and promsed he'd be back the next day. He came back and it was almost like he was dragging the deputy by his ear. He had the appropriate forms this time. Long story short. The sheriff's department didn't turn their form over to the prosecutor, and tried to tell me he had decided not to prosecute. I am close friends with the prosecutor and already knew that was a lie, so I told him that. Pros got the report a few days later and recused himself so the trial was set in a non-adjacent county. The sheriff department never sent us the notice to go to court, so Jones wasn't tried. It was insanity, but just the process was enough to finally put old Jones off my place. And now he's dead. And I'm not.

[@sarahdy496]

@@petgranny194 I've got a hillbilly feud with one more neighbor I need to outlive, then I'm good to go.

[@CookBrookCountryLife]

You are gutsy. I hope you will be victorious. 🐻🦝

[@shatipala6000]

My son is a big fan of you

[@kevinnix5495]

The fact butch said he wishes we still had slaves is the writing on the wall of what kinda person your dealing with!

[@doggolovescheese1310]

Yeah and the first guy in this vid had a hate flag on his sweatshirt so you can tell what side he is on too....its almost like big game hunters and Hound hunters have a similar....political leaning

[@Fiona2254]

A hate flag? Please explain, all I see is an American flag

[@Nice-qi5cf]

Disgusting SOB

[@Pile033]

@@doggolovescheese1310 don't group hunters with these blood sport legal poachers. A hunter is told in hunter education to respect land owners and others while hunting even if you don't need permission to hunt private lands always respect the land owner wishes even if you disagree. Guys like this want to kill not for meat or help the states population control needs they want the pleasure of killing for power. I hunt cause I like eating deer meat but I don't see any reason use dogs for game hunting only for pest control. If you can't see of reach your hounds in mins actively chasing them you aren't hunting you are just murdering in cold blood.

[@meggi8048]

calm down guys. dont we wish all to have slves? just bubble speach

[@hannahkemarly6089]

How kind of them. 🙄 You are incredibly reasonable and tolerant of this behavior considering the continuing issues you're having with them. I hope things settle down for awhile. ❤

[@doggolovescheese1310]

Kind of seems like they are targeting him hmmm

[@kristineteall368]

@@doggolovescheese1310 that was my thought also. They’re putting pressure on him so they can continue to report him in hopes it will ultimately shut him up. That said, I don’t think they know Morgan very well and if it were me, I wouldn’t shut up either.

[@s44577]

@@kristineteall368 You're exactly right. These hunters can't see the problems they are making for themselves.

[@mahonrimurphy2139]

They were hunting not on his land. He has no say on what they are doing off of his property

[@kristineteall368]

@@mahonrimurphy2139 they had their truck pulled off on his property though, so he had every right to ask what they were doing. They could have been broken down for all knew. He also asked if he could see them recall their dogs because he truly hasn’t seen it done before, and complimented them when they did. He didn’t do a damn thing wrong.

[@lonely-bays]

i came from a huge hunting family- we wouldnt take large groups of dogs we would take one for each person and maybe a few horses- we always ALWAYS hunted on our own land or on freinds who were coming with us i find it so weird that these people did this, we don't hunt anymore atall as all the dogs are older and tired now. (edit: not hound hunting the dogs would be kept on leashes and pull us towards our deer/ hares)

[@Gayleski]

Excellent videos!! We are also landowners who have had our own run ins with hound “hunters” in our area. Riding around in a truck tracking dogs via GPS isn’t hunting. They have zero respect for landowners rights, and are seriously pissing off most land owners I know. The hunting laws in Vermont definitely need to be changed with respect to this. BTW, I’m part of a hunting household.

[@TheRednose3269]

It is some of the most involved hunting there is. Takes years of working with the dogs to be able to catch game regularly not to mention all of the daily time and care you have to put into it. With hound hunting you practice 365 days a year, people who take their gun out for a few weeks a year to sit over a bait pile or feeder have no place to talk though I don't think there is anything wrong with that either.

[@emk7132]

It is unfortunate how challenging it can be to have a conversation with folks who know acknowledging the legitimacy of your view means they won’t get their way. I recall multiple years with “messages” of dead animals left draped over our mailbox each year we posted land that used to be open for hunting by the previous owner.

[@alistairjamesheaton9155]

Those people sound complete sadists. Extremists. Not in a very healthy way. People like that need the authorities on their backs, because clearly if I’ve had to do that to you, God knows what else they got up to the reasons why some people shouldn’t be allowed to have a firearm and is clearly a good starting point.

[@apollochodev2886]

Messing with mailboxes is a federal crime, and if you want to pursue, you can set up a camera to catch the criminals so they can be charged.

[@williammcguire1823]

That is sad. That wasn’t Hunters. Those people are disrespectful low lifes. As I stated, I allow hog hunters to come in my land to get their dogs, harvest the hog if they bay, or even park in my pasture to turn dogs loose. But everyone knows I don’t let non family members deer hunt. I have never had a problem with local people. The only problems I have are the “hunters” From the city who drive up and down the dirt roads shooting deer from the road. My neighbor lost a pregnant mare 2 days ago from these low life POS. The men running hounds are devoted, and knowledgeable, and ethical. They are hunters.

[@alistairjamesheaton9155]

@@williammcguire1823 given how much for a power feral pigs can carry the idea of letting a dog loose on a feral pig doesn’t seem a very clever idea. Especially given the back in the day they would bring up bought a man pretty much it would be the hunters job to send a mastiff in or usable space. Frankly, I think you’ll be a lot easier for farmers in Texas to buy themselves from guard dogs and let loose a bunch of jaguars or at the very least stop shooting coyotes and to get on with them, make a start on chewing their way to the population of feral pigs. It’s a hell of a lot easier to live with a cougar than it is to deal with a feral pig. The reality is that Texas needs to get rid of deer feeders, reduce the available food for feral pigs for starters and accept that they need a decent native population of predators on hand.

[@CF_Sapper]

As a Canadian this whole situation is astounding to me. Here in Canada you absolutely cannot go onto someones property to hunt without the land owners permission. When I was younger and stalking deer me my dad several times we had to stop the hunt because the deer we were tracking(the old fashioned way via walking and following trails poop and other signs) went onto private land we didn't have permission to go onto with one time the deer was literally staring at us from the other side of the fence.

[@artgreen6915]

You had to pit your own skills against the quarry, rather than rely on other animals'? You must have learnt something more than how to use tracking collars! You may even have seen and heard other wildlife and learnt about the forest, rather than enduring a baying racket.

[@CF_Sapper]

@@artgreen6915 right? I get tree stand hunting for bows(still think it ain't hunting cause I know several bow hunters that stalk their prey) but I don't got anything against it unless they are baiting or even having a single bird dog. I get the historical use when you were feeding a small community and your best weapon was a pointy stick or a bendy stick the launches a pointy stick, but for yourself/family now days with modern rifles it just seems...too easy?

[@dawsie]

Same here in Australia, so many of our local farmers have now posted no hunting signs up nothing worse than waking up in the middle of the night to shouting and gunfire I moved from the city because of this sort of thing, for a while there young men went hunting as an excuse for an all night beer fest and to me guns and beer do not mix at all, and when they start driving around in circles and yelling and shooting as well it’s down right dangers. Because of this all the local farmers started posting signs to stop out of Towner’s coming into the area for hunting beer parties.

[@kevinfletcher8442]

Here in Virginia you have to have land owner's written permission to hunt the property. If your dogs or your animal crosses over you must contact the land owner to get permission to go get your animal or dogs. This assuming you have legally posted your property, if not you must have verbal permission to cross. You can always get law enforcement to come let you go and retrieve your dogs or animal. In my opinion hunting with dogs should only be allowed if you have 1000 acres or more permission to hunt. This won't fix all of the issues, but so many people get permission for a small property and hunt everything around. All in all, just be respectful of the land owners and things will go so much more smoothly. Disrespect destroys relationships and always leads to problems.

[@kennethsheppard7874]

the laws wont be the same every where, way she goes. the guys did have permission to hunt where they were hunting, didnt step on morgans land once. yet morgan still made them go away.

[@richardjones6786]

I live in Southern east part of va and I'm having lots of trouble with hound hunters in my area I also feel powerless over what they can do on my property. Please let me know if there's anything I can do about this in my area

[@samalaboy14]

I own a hound... they're a stubborn breed, sometimes its hard to get him to recall. I understand both sides

[@BLOWN287]

Morgan, I'm a hunter and I love your videos. Especially your willingness to understand the perspective of all involved.

[@destinymartz4410]

I feel like if your dog doesn’t know any recall commands you shouldn’t have them off leash. do they not get that their dogs could easily get hit by cars as well

[@heatherbpitty]

Well they don't care if they get mauled by a bear or rabid animal so... Cars? Meh! Lol

[@creative227]

I agree! There are leash laws in cities and suburban areas to protect citizens, if you cannot control your dog off leash they should be leashed. And this method of hunting is void of sportsmanship.

[@CeruleanStar]

From my experience, some hunters treat their hunting dogs as disposable. If you don't train them, they are easy to replace. I admittedly don't know much about hunting myself (it was very common where I grew up, but my family didn't hunt), but I've never appreciated how common it is for those hunting dogs to be "retired" when the dog inevitably gets injured due to lack of training. I'm all for using dogs to hunt, but only well trained dogs. (As a disclaimer, I have nothing against people who hunt with dogs. I'm also not saying hound hunters don't care for their dogs. I'm talking about those who don't train their dogs, which can be any type of hunter, but not all hunters.)

[@allyfrank11]

I'm in WA state and almost everywhere here there are leash laws that state when off your own property your dog must be under your effective control. That means leash, or verbal control, but that means they have to LISTEN to you when you call them if you're claiming verbal control. It's something people rarely get in trouble for unless their dog ends up chasing people or livestock, or running wild around town or a park off leash.

[@nancywebb1845]

Heck it's posted at the off leash dog park that you have to be able to call your dog back on command. If not, either leave the park or put them on leash. And that's just a dog park.

[@pattipeterson2436]

Please keep these videos up - - - you are sending the right message and people need to know about this. Oklahoma I am sure is doing the same thing ! I truly enjoy your content - love your channel !!!!

[@HeavnzMiHome]

My uncle had his farm officially declared a refuge in order to protect the Canada geese as well other wildlife.

[@FK-lq8zf]

Please try not to get discouraged, Morgan. I believe you will make the changes you wish to see. You're doing great 🙂

[@hobojoe4910]

"When a bear comes and visits you you're gonna really think it sucks." Black bears are extremely docile creatures and will gladly leave at the first sight of humans. In fact the only species of bear that is hostile are Grizzlies and they don't live in Vermont. I don't live in the US but I wish you all the best in winning this fight.

[@Starannify]

It should be noted (does not justify the hound hunters) that black bear mamas will not run away. So if it is cub season, act like the bear may have cubs around it. Or if you see cubs, don't try to scare the bear off and back away quietly. I do agree that black bears are usually just giant chickens...although *real* chickens can be much meaner...

[@07Giddyup]

Generally, that may be the case but we just had an incident in northern BC where a black bear attacked two women out for a walk. They were seriously injured and when the warden came the bear was protecting his prey and wouldn’t leave. The warden (or RCMP) ended up having to kill him. All Bears are unpredictable!

[@dragoncatoverload]

Polar bears are hostile but they live in the far north so you don’t have to worry about them….unless global warming gets even worse.

[@thaismatsumoto]

That actually is not true. There are plenty of fatalities attributed to black bears. Go look up the statistics.

[@mlem6951]

@@07Giddyup And how often happens stuff like this? In this case ANY animal is unpredictable. Do you know how many dogs, FAMILY dogs who did hurt or even killed kids or Adults? So should we make a law for Hunting Dogs? You go into the wild, where wild animals live, way longer than we humans did(as the hunters like to say, we do this since generations) and act as if this was all ours. And then we are surprised that animasl hurt us. We should be surprised, that this happens so rarely but animals know not to interfere with our stupid and arrogant species.

[@mrjonesyyy]

I was in Adrian PA at my girlfriends home and two hounds just did whatever they wanted around us for 30 minutes. Even tried to get in the house. These people tread on whoever without a care in the world, all the while screaming don’t tread on me…

[@nikkireigns]

One thing I appreciate about the new hunters in this vid is they kept their body language neutral and relaxed. Either leaning or walking/facing away. As a female who is smaller and younger than most of my neighbors, I notice stuff like that. I've had a giant of a man stop and ask to hunt but was respectful and also a small guy who was really creepy, got too close, stared just a bit too much.

[@radioactiverobin8245]

I wonder if they would have been more aggressive if it had been a woman confronting them.

[@JayKayKay7]

Carry a .38.

[@rowanweaver3241]

@@JayKayKay7 n o, 38 special revolvers suck dude, she could but a conceal carry glock, that’d be better, got i hate boomer advice

[@rowanweaver3241]

@travis ferguson or if you're down to break the bank a bit more a sig saur pistol, they are always good, ooorrr the HK45; that one is great too

[@sarahdy496]

@@radioactiverobin8245 I can almost guarantee they would've blown a woman off. At least that's been my experience.

[@TSUNAMI-MAMI]

Oh Morgan don’t worry about “not coming off great.” This is your property and people need to respect it!!!!

[@jaredreid2661]

As a pro hunting i completely agree with Morgans stance. Hound hunters/hunters in general should respect property lines. If someone approaches a hunter they should co-operate and leave the property and just inform the property owner of what has to be done to protect them in the future. if everyone is using GPS it should only be easy to program in a no hunt zones that can be easily uploaded to the device maps( i think?).

[@jamesgordon-fq6cl]

Words escape me, the sky is obviously possessed.

[@RJ-go3sn]

After watching this great video, Morgan, it occurred to me....if "hunting" of any kind involves standing by your vehicle, looking like you're constipated, uncomfortable, and bored, well DON'T sign me up. The very definition of hunter is "one who seeks, pursues, or looks" for their game. Real hunters planned their entire day for the walk....the way we dressed (for the climate and for safety), the way we painted our face (to discourage skin reflection), we put on scenting-mask (to reduce an animal's ability to smell us), we took a snack (for ourselves being out so long) in double zip-locked bags (again, to discourage our scent), then we tracked our hunt. The only time we were ever still was while sitting in a tree stand, or taking a shot. And then, we hunted only those animals which would put food on our tables. THAT is hunting. NOT these guys. To me, everything about their way smacks of beer-guzzling laziness. They don't care about anything....the dogs, the prey, the properties they intrude upon, the time they spend...nothing. Mr. Gold, I applaud your openness with your endeavors to be a respectful farm owner. Love these vids! I'm with you!

[@naerwyn239]

EXACTLY. These are not hunters. They are DOG-HANDLERS. Not very good ones, either.

[@Pile033]

@@naerwyn239 I will say they are more legalized poachers that likely shot randomly near the gate to force hunters the drop their game to take cover then steal it while shooting recklessly into the woods

[@barbhenley4692]

@R J that is exactly how my husband hunts. I don't think hounds should be used for hunting unless they are chasing an animal away from your heard .

[@corgiw7281]

@@naerwyn239 - More like dog-abusers. There's a big difference between a trained dog who is a partner in some kind of operation (police/military K-9, Toby) and a dog being treated as an organic alarm system or tool.

[@Ben-fk9ey]

They're not even hound hunting in the spirit of what I'd assume hound hunting should be. A dog on a leash and a hunter moving along with the dog to track animals. These dudes just tag GPS to dogs then sit down and relax. It's like fishing with dynamite, yea it's still "technically" fishing but defeats the point of the whole thing.

[@jaidensjungle2309]

I am not technically a “Hound Hunter” but I do Shed hunt with dogs and I would NEVER let my dogs cross into someone’s else’s land without permission from the land owner! It’s blatantly irresponsible of the Hunter to do that. My dogs all wear Garmin tracking and training collars and when they hear the beep they IMMEDIATELY return to me. I’m so sorry this happening :( best wishes!

[@obtuseangler768]

If you truly care for your dogs, for sure! Up in BC Canada, if you have a working farm, you can shoot anything on your land harming your animals. Coyotes, cougars, dogs. My neighbour across the road had his beautiful catahoula cattle dog smoked by another neighbour down the road. Surprising trespassing is legally enforceable down in the great US of A🤔

[@wasidanatsali6374]

@@obtuseangler768 Hunting dogs are protected in my state. If they’re harming you or your livestock you can shoot them but there will be blowback. Bear doggers don’t take kindly to people killing their prized hounds. They’ll never say a word to your face but the retribution will be insidious.

[@SunnieDIY]

@@wasidanatsali6374 and so will it be when they do something stupid. An eye for an eye and it was the hunters who were the only ones in the wrong. Farmers and even hobby homesteaders can be quite vindictive as well. Ill always be willing to go further than my opponent. Ill hand them their dog in a body bag with a smile if it trespasses and say should have fking listened to my signs and trained your dogs to come back to you. Im not risking my space my animals because of some ahole with a sdc who thinks they have more right to my space than me. Period. If they dare do a damn thing Ill bring it to their home. I will take it to what and whom they love and I overthink. I also seem nice to most people. They wont have proof its me. Ill be all too willing with 0 remorse for someone who feels entitled to harm me and mine and think I have to take their crap. I have empathy but that is selective. Strangers? Yep I have empathy for. Infringe on me and mine and that goes out the window. Start war and Ill go nuclear and there will be blood or fire. No joke. Whatever it takes to neutralize the threat to me and mine. The dumbest thing one of these loser fake hunters can do is make themselves a threat to me. I know Im not the only one like that who will help the search party look for them and look concerned. Some people do not deserve empathy. Anyone who thinks its ok to punish someone else for THEIR OWN MESS UP that got their own dog killed of all things will get exactly whats coming to them and with more people than you realize it wont be victory for these moron fake hunters in the end. Some of us were over bullies bs in elementary school and grew up standing up to whatever level is necessary to bullies and we will unleash more hell than its worth for them I promise. Its stupid they would think they were the wrong parties when its their fault their dog is dead. Not all hound hunters are idiots but anyone defending them infringing on actual rights who thinks that Butchs way of hound hunting is acceptable and does it like that isnt a real hunter they are lazy and they dont know their heads from their a$$es. Train your dogs to come back to you and stay off land the land owner doesnt give you permission to be on or you dont deserve your hunting permit. Pretty simple.

[@robertjustice641]

Ya you can't call off hounds off track or tree

[@BMarie774]

Beware of the people who may assume you’re like typical hound hunters. Just know, if you get treated badly it’s probably because those people went through a terrible experience with hound hunters. Thanks for not being a jerk and thinking that “right to retrieve” bullshit is any way whatsoever fair.

[@moose5413]

Please stay safe, Morgan! I wish you luck in what is sure to be a pretty long fight. I’m fine with and respect hunting in general but what these guys are doing just isn’t okay. Hopefully some kind of resolution is reached in the near future. Also unrelated but I lol’d at the Mallrats clip 😂 good editing choice.

[@emilysimoneau]

After this experience you need to read and reflect on Fences by Robert Frost. That will help you I think move your cause further with Fish and Wildlife. Do good fences really make good neighbors? Or is it the yearly property walk with them when you actually see your neighbor and do an activity with them that you both agree on that makes the boundary a good one? A boundary of collaboration rather than one sided effort.

[@karenmorse7031]

Hunting. Standing in the road trying to retrieve their dogs. Dogs that run through private property disrupting owners’ lives and those of their animals.

[@NTGaming00]

You have a right to kill their dogs and I don’t know why he hasn’t yet. Any animal that causes threat to a domestic animal you own on your property can be killed. No idea why he even lets it go this far.

[@Shibalvr]

I take it there are no leash laws in Vermont?

[@Renderduck]

@@NTGaming00 well I don't know how effective it is killing a bunch of dogs who are just doing what their owners trained them to because at the end of the day's these dogs are nothing but animal workers to these hunters, as soon as these dogs get shot they're just going to borrow their friends pack or buy new trained dogs or new puppies, it's more effective to try to communicate and barter with the other side you know?

[@gary6676]

@@NTGaming00 Not in VT you don't.

[@karenmorse7031]

I’m in Va. I have no rights as a property owner here as far as dog hunting goes. We get a “notice” ( FB post, signs around the area) that the dogs will be released at 0600 and we are to put away our animals and drive carefully to avoid hitting dogs that have no concept of where the woods and roads meet. And then the shelters fill up with “stray” hounds, which besides the ones that the owners can’t find there are the hounds that can’t cut it as hunters.

[@MRRookie232]

You've got to respect how Morgan was making Butch look like the clown that he is while being so polite about it 😂😂😂😂😂

[@SharonRepici]

Not hard considering Butch truly is a clown and representative of the past.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

One suspects Butch has dementia. His hound hunting licence should be cancelled.

[@alistairjamesheaton9155]

@@JoeyBlogs007 the worrying thing is for butchers family is that he got lost out in the woods on his own. And regardless of what other people think of butch, as far as I’m concerned, that’s a vulnerable adult out in the bush on his own. He shouldn’t be out there on his own anymore. If clearly he is getting lost and he does have dementia. God for bed he could end up being found dead because he takes a fall or something about Ilkeston to get lost and ends up in the back. End of nowhere and no one can find him.

[@birgitelisabeth9661]

"It's all good, man", LOVE IT.

[@UnbornHeretic]

If you have a GPS, you could theoretically train dogs to to stop their chase if they keep going via an automatic tone in their collar when the dogs reach the border of a predetermined area. Maybe a small, prank pen level shock.

[@kevinnix5495]

Any one else think this is now deliberate?

[@Brokenrain223]

Yeah! They knew his name before he said it!

[@anitraahrens905]

Yes, it sure is!

[@kevinnix5495]

The writing on the wall for me was when he showed they were related to butch.

[@mainenanabear9746]

Wouldnt surprise me. I can see hunters in that area stepping it up to overwhelm Morgan and his farm. THIS is how folks get hurt or lost in the woods. Traps would be my concern going onto someones property. Ya just never know where they would be and jeepers a huge risk. Just sayin

[@TheCriminalViolin]

It very clearly is. At this point they're doing this more to say "fuck you" and also fully know they will inevitably gain plenty more publicity for it too, so to them, it's a win/win. Arrogance always teams up with stupidity, and that's these hound hunter guys to a T. Disrespectful and Uncaring as all hell too.

[@DarkPlaces6]

This whole situation gives me anxiety. I don’t know how you handle the stress of this guys showing up.

[@joshwoodburn3828]

Let the Hound hunter dogs wander on your property then you shoot the their dogs that's how you handle that type of situation, shoot their dogs.

[@brittneyrichmond6724]

I feel the same way.

[@doggolovescheese1310]

If I move to Vermont Iike I want to, I will keep a gun just for the purpose of getting hunters the hell off my property

[@erwinj9697]

I really hope it doesn't escalate and I believe these guys were really trying to stop the dogs from going on Morgan his property but honestly I think it is ridiculous to let dogs run amok on people's properties in the first place. I'm all for hunting but the way hound hunters seem to do it is something I don't agree with. Wandering around on people's properties like that without asking should be illegal no matter if there are postings or not imo, I think it saves alot of arguments that could one day end up deadly too which is the part that scares me the most for people encountering the hunters.

[@jeremyharris485]

My biggest problem with this video is that they were never on your property and you almost made them leave because of a chance they could get on your property. The other problem is you dont respect your nabor with the corn field because bears do incredible amounts of damage to corn fields

[@SCP_Bright]

My biggest problem with you is that yihre spreading misinformation. Don't worry that won't be a problem much longer say bye bye to your account.

[@SilentWolfFarts]

13:49 blurred face one sec then it switched faces like magic 😂

[@NotreDanish]

If the dogs get called back by their collars and the control system from the hounders, then wouldn’t it be easy to setup a system that automatically triggers the recall when they get within (maybe) 1/4 of a mile of “closed” private property. That would be a tech based approach anyway

[@kdkrueger112]

You would have to do a lot of research, set up legitimate maps on a GPS system showing every posted property and hope you didn't miss one. However if there was a local system where people could post in it would be easier.

[@cameronvincent3122]

@@kdkrueger112 Based on the video where he posted his property, it seems like there already is a GPS system?

[@Nice-qi5cf]

Right?

[@thatonedog819]

No. At least not the collars I've been looking at. It has a geo fence, but it doesn't shock them when they enter an area, just leave an area. Which is good because I don't need my dog not wanting to come back. And it takes time to set up the fence and it has limited area and ability. What you can do is train your dog to recall even off of an animal.

[@zacharywhite8230]

@@kdkrueger112 we can draw on a map where our dog can be at any time or place

[@120weapons]

Had trouble with coon hunters showing up on my land at 1am…three times in the last year. I’m sick of it. I’m going to ask for their address and show up in their back yard at 1am.

[@via7216]

I live in SE PA. We have fox hunters. They ride their horses and the dogs come through our property. I am now looking at legal options if possible. Maybe serve them an official do not tresspas notice.

[@lolotaeja3911]

Is it possible to fence off your land completely? Or at least the "forested" area

[@robertharrison8738]

That's the correct course of action. You and you alone are responsible for keeping fences maintained on your property to deny passage.

[@mistressofuniverses]

Hearing about this situation has led me to look up the laws for the use of dogs in hunting in my state, Colorado. Turns out that in my state they have to be on a leash at all times, can only be used to locate and recover wounded wildlife and can't kill, chase or harass wildlife. I feel like this is a decent compromise and it seems to be similar to what you're pushing for. Thanks for informing us about this! I never knew about this type of hunting, my family and neighbors track themselves when hunting, and it's been an interesting thing checking up on those laws.

[@victoriabaker4400]

I've lived in 3 states-- California, Louisiana, and Mississippi. In all of those, if a dog enters your property and is chasing your livestock or pets, it is 100% legal to shoot and kill said dogs. And in fact, a pack of 3 stray dogs attacked and nearly killed one of my cats, who was simply napping on the porch, and a neighbor's chickens were all killed by a pack of strays, so stray dogs are nothing to be calm about. In California, it is legal to shoot and kill dogs who are chasing wildlife, I don't know for sure about LA or MS laws on that. This Vermont legal structure, in which these people have the right to enter your (properly posted) property if the dogs did, when they weren't in control of the dogs but watching from a distance with GPS, is bizarre to me and 100% wrong. And the fact that the only reason this activity has become a big deal is due to GPS technology which allows the humans to sit back with a cold one and never break a sweat, renders the whole "tradition" thing entirely moot.

[@alphanerd7221]

That's a lot of absurd legal rules for a dog to follow. Also, leash laws in the woods? Lame.

[@CraftAmundous]

Yea Vermont FWL has some back door money flowing in. Only thing to explain their completely lax attitude towards land owner complaints vs the "hunters".

[@FeralHomestead]

Good to know as I also live in Colorado

[@mistressofuniverses]

@@FeralHomestead always happy to help!

[@foxkitsunegaming7659]

My thing with dog hunting is you have to respect the property owners. Before you even start a hunt you need to get permission from all land owners you may go on. If you don't have permission you need to set your collars to have a boundary for it. I use a collar system to contain my dogs(retrieve dogs and antler shed dogs) to avoid any property we don't have permission to be on. It isn't that hard.

[@RnRCustomDesigns]

Sadly in Vermont they have a "right" to hunt on any property that isn't posted. The onus is on property owners to properly mark their boundaries, and check frequently to make sure those posted signs haven't "fallen" down.

[@foxkitsunegaming7659]

@@RnRCustomDesigns I see that. I am in TN. I just don't understand how folks can't be respectful especially if they know it is an issue and they clearly do from their response.

[@mainenanabear9746]

@@RnRCustomDesigns which is so wrong in my personal opinion. I worry about liability of someone on my property ie if they were to have a hunting accident, fall etc also concerns about damage to property and to animals is a HUGE concern and these folks clearly dont care and believe they are 100% correct due to the interpretation of the wording of the law.

[@SuperCharcoalangel]

Wait, you have dogs specifically trained to retrieve sheds? That's neat.

[@foxkitsunegaming7659]

@@SuperCharcoalangel yes, my 1 dog is trained as a medical alert dog with training in dove retrieve and searching antler sheds by scent. 2nd dog is currently in training for the same things.

[@LewieBear-fh7em]

This man is smart listen to him

[@Lovehandels]

I saw this title and I'm like god damnit!

[@ungraciousgratia7251]

Watching your videos on these topics makes me so uncomfortable, i have to pause multiple times, and thats just seeing the confrontation through my screen. I can't even imagine the emotional burden this puts on you, not only follow the laws and do your best to protect your property, but then to advocate for change and deal with backlash from that. Thank you so much for sharing this and I wish you nothing but to find peace and serenity ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY. The topics in these videos are gigantic and you treat them with such care as you dissect them, and I hope more people in your area start to listen, and decide to actually help the discourse, not hurt it.

[@ungraciousgratia7251]

And I'd like to add, i feel bad for the emotional burden on the hunters too, they're doing a lot on a hunt especially with their dogs, and being interrupted by frustrated land owners sucks for them too. The whole system seems to not build in much care for either party and i think its so important that its highlighted

[@deedee2231]

Morgan you are the right person to help resolve this problem because of your demeanor and your clear thinking. I have no doubt that property owners will have the rights they clearly should have regarding the use of your land! Keep up the great work, I know it’s hard, but right is right!

[@soufwesthoustontx]

I would go to the state representatives regarding the issue. I'd also draft a bill proposal for the next state legislative session.

[@daveallover]

I was sympathetic to this until you said "predators will keep themselves in check"....🤣

[@annabanana9863]

This is so interesting to me. My brother is a pig hunter and him and his mates have 100% control over their dogs. They call their dogs off a boar to let it run free again, the dogs are off the boar and by my brothers and his mates heels in seconds. So the fact that people cannot control their dogs, makes my mouth drop. Also, you cannot enter another person's property, even if the animal has run onto their property. Go ask the owner, especially if the animal is injured. I think people just need to learn to respect others property and train their dogs. Edit to add. Hello from NewZealand

[@asktheanimals]

"Also, you cannot enter another person's property, even if the animal has run onto their property. " That's one of the problems, VT laws do NOT protect private property rights from non-residents with guns.

[@saraschneider6781]

I echo Morgan's "Wait, what...?". Being lazy is bad enough. But if you don't want to do for yourself, then you PAY someone to do your work.

[@dewhi100]

Honestly, the last part made sense. Work isn't always fun. Doesn't justify slavery though.

[@saraschneider6781]

@@dewhi100 no one ever said work was fun all the time.

[@bribri2925]

THANKYOU! The dude said he wanted somebody to do his work, which is fine, but he’d rather have slaves than pay his employees. It’s really concerning how people in power think.

[@dewhi100]

@@saraschneider6781 It sounded like you were implying that dislike of work comes from laziness. Maybe you didn't mean that, but that was the tone I read, and that informed my reply.

[@eveningclicks7767]

I bet his stance would change real fast if he was on the other end. Disgusting.

[@robbiehampton6450]

keep up the fight "Goonies never die"

[@nillyk5671]

Poor bear, he was killed in the end. This is so heartbreaking :'(

[@beckbeck5110]

"You don't have a choice" love the attitude Morgan. Such a messed up law & I barely call it hunting.

[@johnphillips4708]

Ya running out onto public land and video tapping someone against there will and want who was there to make sure the dogs didn’t go on Morgan’s land sure was heroic.

[@nmtumbleweed5320]

@@johnphillips4708 As apposed to how heroic they were, leaning lazily, I mean “hunting” by their trucks waiting for their dogs to do the work??😂

[@monkeydance3894]

@@johnphillips4708 if he wants to make sure someone doesn’t get on his private property then there isn’t a problem to me

[@brittanyg4084]

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. These hunting dogs track animals like bears and don’t know road safety. Without adequate supervision, they could be in the middle of the road when a driver comes across them and swerves, causing a serious accident. All I see is animal negligence here. They can’t control their dogs and where they end up. What happens to dogs who come across a bear trap? What if they get hit by a car? What do you do if they get hurt in the process of the hunt? They don’t seem to matter to the owner at all and that makes me sad.

[@johnphillips4708]

@@nmtumbleweed5320 people have been hound hunting for thousands of years. Listen, I don’t do it, I rarely hunt and when I do hunt I sit my lazy butt in a stand, but what does the interaction between the two men referenced above ultimately have to do with the chosen style of hunting? My comment was regarding the initial interaction between GSF and the young man who was on the public road. My point was that GSF clearly went out for the sake of content generation and not because at that time any of his rights or property were wronged. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@dianamcelroy4386]

That’s just crazy!!! Being from a family of farmers who hunted & had hounds in NJ, I never heard of them hunting on land that they did not have explicit permission to be on!!! Vermont’s Hound Hunting Laws need to be brought up to today’s reality! You can’t just hunt where ever you want anymore!!

[@zsuzsuspetals]

Same here. Family of farmers and hunters in NJ. That surprises people who know nothing about NJ , lol. But I've lived in the south for 30 years. I lived in many rural areas in the south. But not until we bought our last property did I see how awful these types of hunters are. Literally treating our land like it was their own. Dogs running and baying, trash everywhere, shooting at anything, drunk, noisy and then get mad at you if you say something. They will always claim that they are retrieving their dogs. But our cameras showed they arrived with their dogs and let them run our property. Then they claimed that their ancestors owned our land 100 years ago, lol. I own it now asshole. This is in Virginia where there is a "right to retrieve" law so there isn't a damn thing land owners can do until the law is overturned. Which every year these hunters turn out in droves at the capital to protest the law being overturned.

[@kenny69ing]

In Minnesota hunters are legally allowed to go on property to retrieve thier hunting dogs without permission thry are also allowed to retrieve wounded animal without permission

[@ga1lus505]

"Court casing is a legal term that I learned in art school."😂lol

[@amyfrancois9121]

Totally AGREE … my property, I don’t want ANYTHING on it that I HAVENT APPROVED OF!!

[@theurzamachine]

What is your approved list of animals allowed on your property? Be sure to list them all.

[@_whataday_3231]

Wild/list animals versus random people and their animals aka dogs etc. are different. Obviously you can’t control animals who have no knowledge of property lines. If there’s a human with the ability to see that they’re going into someone’s property without permission or valid reason outside of hunting then thats their responsibility. Not the dogs.

[@theurzamachine]

@@_whataday_3231 The average hunter has permission to enter if the area isn't fenced off.

[@jessicamcwilliams3346]

My family's land has been poached on a few times. Two of my pets have seriously injured requiring amputation and ultimately an early death for one.

[@anitraahrens905]

I'm so sorry that happened to your animals. I hope the perpetrators paid for what they did.

[@jessicamcwilliams3346]

@@anitraahrens905 sadly no they didn't. They were setting traps and caught my cats we were never able to find out who set them.

[@anitraahrens905]

@@jessicamcwilliams3346 I'm sorry for the pain they endured and your loss of them.

[@eveningclicks7767]

I'm very sorry to hear this. This is why I find this video upsetting because what happened to you can happen in this circumstance. I'd look into getting a thunderstruck to protect your pets.

[@birdsndog5932]

Ms Ahrens, that is just awful. And frightening. So sorry.

[@MrGreatness412]

I respect the fact that you can admit you were wrong about tone breaking the dogs. But I definitely understand your pain. I hope that all of you guys can come to some kinda non violent resolution. As I see it you all have similar passions for hard work and putting food on your tables. There has to be some type of compromise. I wish you guys luck.

[@bigfootbubba1425]

It felt like I was watching a documentary from OMG and James O'Keefe

[@sheilap3835]

It is good you video'ed the interaction since the hound hunters reported something different than what really happened.

[@TheMotlias]

It amazes me how "I did it with my grand-pa" is a valid legal argument in America when talking about this sort of stuff

[@s44577]

It's not an argument, it's all they've got---nothing lol.

[@StoneE4]

It's not a valid legal argument. What makes you think that it is?

[@vogelvogeltje]

😂😂 Their Peepaw: born in the south

[@theLadyScribe]

“When a bear comes on your farm your going to regret this”. Or -get this- he will contact the relevant people to deal with the bear as he would likely have to do now if one got near the farm

[@treborretsnom6186]

Uggg...I remember the 70's, northern Indiana...we were dog hunters and a small farm... ultimately our only neighbor had no dogs...so any dog not ours, on our property typically met a quick demise... we had wide open rolling field, and forest...and livestock...the sheriff agreed...and I believe that's still the law in Indiana today...

[@Raja-bz4yw]

I think you should get your neighbors involved and they should also start writing and calling officials. The more organizers you get the more the state will pay attention. I definitely think you should talk to those people who are against the current law and organize something until the state has to pay attention.

[@gary6676]

None of the surrounding neighbors post their land, they have been there far, far longer than Morgan. If they wanted their land posted, it would be

[@basictrainer]

@@gary6676 because his neighbors are locals and have assimilated. Morgan is the outsider trying to get the locals to cater to him. It’s why most small communities are very hesitant about welcoming outsiders

[@be6715]

@@basictrainer Maybe I missed it, but it seems like Morgan doesn't have a problem with his neighbors' choices. I fail to see how he is trying to get them to 'cater' to him. The 'hunters' (sorry, I have no good opinion of this type of 'hunting') in this video could well have ignored Morgan, since their dogs weren't on his property - but they chose to gather up their dogs. I think Morgan is trying to change the property rights in VT, which is also his privilege to do.

[@basictrainer]

@@be6715 I never said he was trying to get his neighbors to cater to him, I said locals. And yes, he’s an outsider that’s trying to get the rules of the land changed to suit him. He could have moved to any other location that had the property rights that he wants but instead he chose one of the only places in the country that doesn’t. Now he wants to change that. Again, this is why a lot of small town America hates outsiders. Stop forcing your way of life on others