The House of Wisdom: How the Arabs Transformed Western Civilization 🇺🇸🇪🇸ترجمة عربية

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In this video, Jonathan Lyons, scholar and intellectual historian, addresses the collective amnesia that has left many of us with the unshakeable-if deeply misguided-conviction that the world of Islam and that of the West have nothing in common. Based on Lyons’s book, The House of Wisdom: How the Arabs Transformed Western Civilization (Bloomsbury Press, 2009), which has appeared in a dozen foreign editions, this video tells the story of Adelard of Bath, a 12-century Englishman who travelled to the Muslim world and brought back many of its scientific riches.
Lyons has a doctorate in sociology from Monash University, Melbourne, Australia, and an undergraduate degree from Wesleyan University. Before turning to writing full time in 2007, Lyons served for 21 years as a foreign correspondent, bureau chief, and editor with Reuters news agency, with postings in Moscow, Istanbul, Tehran, Washington, and Jakarta. He lives in British Columbias, Canada, with his wife Michelle Johnson and their dog Ziggy Stardust.
You can get his book from the Bloomsbury USA page:
www.bloomsbury.com/us/house-o...
You can also visit his page at:
jonathanlyons.pubsitepro.com
Timestamps:
00:00 Geometric patterns that were understood in the West only 500 years later
00:59 The collective amnesia
01:42 Three goals in mind
02:34 Abbreviated list of the achievements of Islamic science
03:13 Imperial Muslim capital Baghdad and its royal library, known as the House of Wisdom
03:46 The riches of Muslim learning for Adelard of Bath
04:27 Adelard of Bath’s greatest legacy
05:12 Our intellectual debt to the Muslim world
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@heritage433
@heritage433 Жыл бұрын
I hope we as Muslims can connect on this tradition 🎉
@paulthomas281
@paulthomas281 Жыл бұрын
@Harun Connect on this tradition?? Start telling people in your faith community that there is no such thing as the first two human beings.
@AllTruthRevealed
@AllTruthRevealed Жыл бұрын
We will kindly suggest that The Brane Academy will be the first to develop courses with a Quran centered approach.
@thelegando4281
@thelegando4281 Жыл бұрын
@@paulthomas281 who said adam and eve were first homosapians ?
@Az-pe8jj
@Az-pe8jj Жыл бұрын
Arabs not Muslims
@rhetoric5173
@rhetoric5173 Жыл бұрын
@@paulthomas281 there is no such thing as human beings
@iso4675
@iso4675 Жыл бұрын
It's always worth the wait for your high quality videos. One thing I want to suggest is it would be great if you could share some more resources for our own read and research on those topics so that one can be also part of revealing the hidden truth on different occasions as we don't find it in school books.
@abdulbasit-
@abdulbasit- Жыл бұрын
very intellectual suggestion indeed
@innerpeace8581
@innerpeace8581 Жыл бұрын
This is a well researched and a sophisticated presentation of such valuable information!
@EmirSteinCenter
@EmirSteinCenter Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching. Please check our other videos and don't forget to subscribe and share. kzbin.info/aero/PLtQU61r9YNn1HV4JKkF5io3eyYcZfv3lg You can get Dr. Lyons' book from the Bloomsbury USA page: www.bloomsbury.com/us/house-of-wisdom-9781608190584/ You can also visit his page at: jonathanlyons.pubsitepro.com
@Adnan-qw5uo
@Adnan-qw5uo Жыл бұрын
I love this channel. Its so humble and informative ❤
@kausamsalam8543
@kausamsalam8543 Жыл бұрын
Appreciating your video, fact-based and ethical. Many Duas for you, and your global wisdom, Doctor. Also, it was interesting to know that a Muslim woman named Fatima, in the 800’s, also founded one of the world’s first places of learning in Morocco. Such diverse people from everywhere have helped increase knowledge.:))
@murtadha96
@murtadha96 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you're back to posting videos again
@EmirSteinCenter
@EmirSteinCenter Жыл бұрын
Thank you! More videos are in the pipeline.
@wellthatagedwell2716
@wellthatagedwell2716 Жыл бұрын
Was super fascinating reading the book, and I am looking forward o have Professor Lyons on my podcast soon
@adnsgu2171
@adnsgu2171 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Start posting more
@limbslap1917
@limbslap1917 Жыл бұрын
As always very instructif and beautiful videos.
@animatedislamichistory
@animatedislamichistory Жыл бұрын
A good and much needed historical clarification for the western audience. Interesting book, looking forward to reading it.
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I hope you enjoy the book.
@mehdiboutayeb
@mehdiboutayeb Жыл бұрын
Need to buy this book, thank you Professor!
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I hope you enjoy it. Please feel free to share this video, too. All bests, Jonathan
@majidmohiuddinm.d.7267
@majidmohiuddinm.d.7267 Жыл бұрын
Gorgeous illustrations and very insightful comments. Professor Lyons puts these contributions in context very succinctly and strongly. He sets the record straight and reminds us all that the European intellectual tradition didn't just pop out of nowhere, despite our modern amnesia
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for those very kind works. I am glad you found the video worthwhile.
@mr.yayaman
@mr.yayaman Жыл бұрын
Loved it ❤️. We need more please. Thank you
@sanamt4945
@sanamt4945 Жыл бұрын
I have added this book to my list of musta have books, inshallah will buy and read it. Thank you Jonathan Lyon for writing such a book to raise awareness,
@HassanMohamed-us1yx
@HassanMohamed-us1yx Жыл бұрын
Thank you for such a beautiful video
@JS-rh3ws
@JS-rh3ws Жыл бұрын
Great video thank you :)
@lamroproductions756
@lamroproductions756 Жыл бұрын
I love this channel so much
@ellalinecarnaro9037
@ellalinecarnaro9037 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to reading this book!
@josephart2821
@josephart2821 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the appreciation sir❤️
@emperorkaido8539
@emperorkaido8539 Жыл бұрын
bro idk why i keep finding you wherever i go 😂😂
@max30888
@max30888 Жыл бұрын
I love it when it's purely historical facts without any prejudice ❤
@user-rf6gh3pr1w
@user-rf6gh3pr1w Жыл бұрын
The illustrators did an incredible job) Keep up the good work
@justworship0570
@justworship0570 Жыл бұрын
Mashaallah, pace and greetings from Dagestan ❤
@KD400_
@KD400_ Жыл бұрын
Oh really that's nice how is dagestan I would assume that u see khabib every day lol
@nabilsater
@nabilsater Жыл бұрын
Beautifully told/narrated. I totally agree with the message. As a secular Arab Muslim, I do take pride in what we have contributed. However, we must move on. We cannot dwell on our glorious past and keep reminding the world of what we have accomplished. I know we have immense intellect, history, background, and education to leverage. Our main obstacle is our leadership. Unfortunately, we find most of our prominent intellectuals, scientists, physicians, academics, thinkers, writers, etc. living in the West, where they are free to speak out and develop. If only 20% or less of our intellectual capital returns to the region, we will do wonders. However, unfortunately, and much to my dismay/chagrin, I doubt this will take place in my lifetime.
@faizafaiza6524
@faizafaiza6524 Жыл бұрын
I am so glad you guys have uploaded videos again Alhamdulillah 💕
@nightwolfnightwolf3729
@nightwolfnightwolf3729 Жыл бұрын
another nice video.
@KhalidKhan-ki9bi
@KhalidKhan-ki9bi 10 ай бұрын
Excellent channel
@ozlemnazik9856
@ozlemnazik9856 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Emir-Stein Center 🌷
@FARID1870
@FARID1870 Жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing. will get the book
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I hope you enjoy it.
@saimalishahid1406
@saimalishahid1406 Жыл бұрын
This is reassuring.
@abdualatr6844
@abdualatr6844 Жыл бұрын
Nice job
@rimacalid6557
@rimacalid6557 Жыл бұрын
Hope this will be featured on Blogging Theology 🙏🏾
@salemhaikel6599
@salemhaikel6599 Жыл бұрын
This is extremely great of you to akknowladge the studies of us arabs. Today, even in the Arab world the knowledge about our history is nothing but lackluster.
@user-ul6mq1jd8f
@user-ul6mq1jd8f Жыл бұрын
Good Job ❤
@thinkbeforeyoutype7106
@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 Жыл бұрын
Masha’Allah, this is an amazing video and great editing. Thank you guys.
@paulthomas281
@paulthomas281 Жыл бұрын
@ThinkBefore YouType Islam is Arab-identity-centric historical and theological justification for what Arabs needed to do in the wake of their conquests, and, for the Abbasids, in the wake of the demise of the Umayyads . I can see you are of sub-saharan African origin. Traditional African religions are far superior in spirituality to normative Islam. Stop believing in an imperial religion. Please wake up.
@keekl6870
@keekl6870 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. A bit of correction. It's not the Arabs but the Muslims from Central Asia, Anatolia, the Middle East, Africa, all the way to Iberia. They were of multi-ethic background. In fact, all of the scholars cited in the video were Persian Muslims. Baghdad was administered, managed and cultivated not only by Arabs but by Persians, Copts and Greek speaking scholars.
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. This is clear throughout the book. The title was chosen by my publishers.
@justabeardedguythatisahero9848
@justabeardedguythatisahero9848 Жыл бұрын
Cope keel kl Persians were nothing but a string in the sun of arab sciences
@TheUnique69able
@TheUnique69able Жыл бұрын
It’s like immigrants to America who contribute in science. These achievements are attributed to America, much like how the Arabs did in the past.
@yousuf6382
@yousuf6382 Жыл бұрын
Those in the video are Arabs and Arabized Turks, not Persians Most scholars are Arabs, even non-Arabs. Their culture and language are Arab and they are taught in Arab universities Like claiming that the Greek scholars of Alexandria are not Greeks!!
@samifakhry2002
@samifakhry2002 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@muhandrehermon7326
@muhandrehermon7326 Жыл бұрын
I really hope Muslims can get back to this way of thinking, discovering the nature it self by the bless of Allah, and not just indulge and proud only by ritual Ibadah but also strive for amalun jaariyatun in science and knowledge of nature.
@halouatmaria7845
@halouatmaria7845 Жыл бұрын
Merci infiniment🌷
@alphar85
@alphar85 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jonathan for this beautiful video. The modern Western civilisation has gone long way due to the Muslims, over 700 years of building Iberia and Southern Europe. Your video was recommended by an algorithm that was developed 1000 years ago by a Muslim scholar.
@HusseinKureshi
@HusseinKureshi Жыл бұрын
thank you
@soufyenesoufyene5248
@soufyenesoufyene5248 Жыл бұрын
This KZbin channel deserves 1 M subscribers!
@yousefbilbeisi1530
@yousefbilbeisi1530 4 ай бұрын
Thanks
@deception6666
@deception6666 Жыл бұрын
After a veryyyy long time...a vedio
@rhetoric5173
@rhetoric5173 Жыл бұрын
Adelard of Bath also basically founded the University of Oxford !
@sheriBos
@sheriBos Жыл бұрын
They were not Arabs only..They were Muslim scholars writing in Arabic. Many of them were Persian, Turkish/turkic besides the Arabs.
@user-kj8yl6sn2z
@user-kj8yl6sn2z Жыл бұрын
Mention to you five influential Turkish scholars in Islamic civilization?
@Sara-bs9rz
@Sara-bs9rz Жыл бұрын
They were under Arab civilization
@roxanne2749
@roxanne2749 Жыл бұрын
So finally you are back....
@solomontheadventurer6709
@solomontheadventurer6709 Жыл бұрын
Alhamdulilah, The Muslims, not only in Arabia, but even as far as Spain have been some of the best Muslim inventors, thinkers, and writers of poetry and works of science. The Muslims had the best empire with the greatest things of freedom of religion and freedom of the pursuit of knowledge. All from God!! MashaAllah!
@Lovely-1999
@Lovely-1999 Жыл бұрын
Spain was Arabian majority Arabs from Arabia as other Arabian countries
@Muradmb1986
@Muradmb1986 Жыл бұрын
I really respect this channel .. Thank you Mr. Jonathan
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
You are very welcome.
@snowmoon7385
@snowmoon7385 Жыл бұрын
All knowledges in its peak...leads to One True God
@NothingElseMatterz
@NothingElseMatterz Жыл бұрын
Just bought the book. Thank you for acknowledging the truth and God bless you.
@EmirSteinCenter
@EmirSteinCenter Жыл бұрын
Good for you. We hope others do too. Literacy is very important. Please check Dr. Lyons other works. Please share the link to this video with your friends and family.
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support. I hope you enjoy it. It was a real adventure to research and write it.
@LionOfAbraham
@LionOfAbraham Жыл бұрын
There was a time when Arab and Persians were king in science and philosophy And Turks ruled and conquer most of Europe Their Economy was strong , they were ahead of rest of the world in science and technology, their military was strong and beautiful culture living peacefully with jews and Christian and baghdad was city of peace of prosperity Muslim civilization were flourishing that time
@emperorkaido8539
@emperorkaido8539 Жыл бұрын
this channel deserve way more subs than this
@Dark-gd7ob
@Dark-gd7ob Жыл бұрын
Thank your honsty and acknowledge the Muslims rule in Sciences.
@IBrainedMyDamage
@IBrainedMyDamage Жыл бұрын
How the Muslims* transformed western civilization, the scholars, the artisans, the warriors weren’t all Arabs.. they were of all cultural and social backgrounds, accepting Islam
@shahzadazulfiqar1
@shahzadazulfiqar1 Жыл бұрын
It's The Beauty Of Islam.
@Dark-gd7ob
@Dark-gd7ob Жыл бұрын
I'm Arab my self but it wasn't the Arabs who did this only there were Persians, Egyptians Kurds and other who helped us in general Muslims and others religious groups.
@AggieAze
@AggieAze Ай бұрын
Islam unites and guides to prosperity ❤ Remember Allah has created tribes(nations) not to compete, but to learn from and support each other.
@halimorganic3104
@halimorganic3104 Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent book which I thoroughly enjoyed reading when it first was published..I recommend it.
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Thank yo for those kind works. Comments like your make the long process of researching and writing a book such as this worthwhile.
@wuw385
@wuw385 Жыл бұрын
They took "Iqra" seriously 🤲
@AbdAllah_54564
@AbdAllah_54564 Жыл бұрын
Insha Allah, if only we could bring back these days, Knowledge and intellect is mentioned time and again in the Qur'an and was highly valued by our prophet Muhammad PBUH, if us Muslims, me included, would strive to learn and perfect current knowledge, we would be leagues better than now just eating shawarma lol.
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
This is an interesting and important point. In historical terms, scientific inquiry generally did not meet the same opposition from the religious establishment in the world of Islam that was prevalent in medieval Christendom. In fact, science often worked in tandem, or in support of religious ritual, such as the hajj or the proper prayer times.
@rafiatouagbedinou437
@rafiatouagbedinou437 Жыл бұрын
As salamou 'aleykoum wa rahmahoullah wa barakatouh
@Islamic_World_313
@Islamic_World_313 Жыл бұрын
Отличное видел! 👍👍👍
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Большое спасибо. Jonathan
@kazimustaqeem
@kazimustaqeem Жыл бұрын
Which software did you use to create this animation, AI software?
@abdulalimomar6116
@abdulalimomar6116 Жыл бұрын
Ibn Sina, commonly known in the West as Avicenna, was a Persian polymath who is regarded as one of the most significant physicians, astronomers, philosophers, and writers of the Islamic Golden Age, and the father of early modern medicine.
@davidzack8735
@davidzack8735 Жыл бұрын
So name one single notable Muslim scholar who was NOT influenced by the ancient Greeks. 😁
@paulthomas281
@paulthomas281 Жыл бұрын
@David Zack There are hardly none. You make an excellent point. This professor has a funny choice of words. Islam "transformed" Western civilization. Why doesn't he say then that Greece "transformed" Middle Eastern civilization..
@emotionalvideos6897
@emotionalvideos6897 Жыл бұрын
Thank you professor for speaking the truth and may God give a good reward to the owners of this channel.
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
I am very glad that you enjoyed this video presentation.
@abdullatheef4307
@abdullatheef4307 Жыл бұрын
WHEN TRUTH IS HEARD AGAINST FALSEHOOD.. FALSEHOOD... PERISHES.. BY NATURE.. IT'S BOUND TO PERISH AND TRUTH.. TRIUMPHS... THANKS.. SIR FOR TRUTH... PEACE SALAAM. SHALOM..
@fuzails2
@fuzails2 3 ай бұрын
Prof. Lyons, what do you think were the main causes of decline and fall of the Muslim rule of Al-Andalus?
@ehsan9994
@ehsan9994 Жыл бұрын
Disclaimer: The text visible in the cover picture is in Farsi not Arabic
@user-kj8yl6sn2z
@user-kj8yl6sn2z Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jonathan, you will face bullying from Westerners who do not want to see the truth, and you will also face bullying by some Muslim ethnicities who do not want to mention the virtue of Arabs over world civilization The role of Fatima al-Fihri, the granddaughter of Uqba bin Nafi al-Qurashi, played a role in the establishment of the University of Al-Qarawiyyin, the first university in the world, which created a cultural and scientific movement in the Maghreb as well. Likewise, the Umayyad caliphs in Andalusia took care of scholars and supported them financially and scientifically until Andalusia became a beacon for seeking knowledge in Europe at that time. That scientific movement in the House of Wisdom in Baghdad was not the only one, but we saw the influence of the University of Al-Qarawiyyin and the scientific movement in Andalusia, all of which found support from the founders of those scientific and cultural centers of the Quraish. When leaders are interested in scientific research, translation of science, openness to other civilizations, and support for innovators and inventors, we will see progress and prosperity That period was similar to what America was doing in terms of attracting international students, educating them, embracing the distinguished among them, and supporting them in research centers until they became a landmark in the civilizational progress of America.
@Alborzhakimi7010
@Alborzhakimi7010 Жыл бұрын
All the work stated in this video was done by iranian scholars. Arabs made up a very small minority of scholars.
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your interesting comments. I delivered the convocation to Northwestern University's Doha campus some years ago, outlining Arab and Muslim contributions to the idea of 'university.' It surprised me how little my audience of educated Arab and Muslim students (and their professors) knew about this academic heritage.
@user-kj8yl6sn2z
@user-kj8yl6sn2z Жыл бұрын
​@@jonathanlyons7058 The idea of ​​establishing KAUST University, which King Abdullah ordered to build, is an attempt to emulate the role of the House of Wisdom in Baghdad and the Arabs do not forget their luminous history. One of the most beautiful scientific arts among Arab scholars is that they used to organize Arabic poems in medicine, chemistry, astronomy, etc.. so that it would be easier to memorize these sciences and review them for students. For example, Ibn Al-Tufail wrote a poem (Arjoza) in diagnosing diseases, and Khalid bin Yazid bin Muawiyah wrote poems in Chemistry, etc.. Among the Arab scientists who excelled in explaining modern sciences in poetic systems. This topic deserves a special episode. Perhaps no civilization has done this before or after the Arabs.
@ayusuatika3688
@ayusuatika3688 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@user-kj8yl6sn2z
@user-kj8yl6sn2z 13 күн бұрын
​@@Alborzhakimi7010 You are just assuming that, for example: 1. Ibrahim Al-Fazari is the first to make the Arab astrolabe and write about it. He is Arab by race and has very great achievements. 2. Ibn Hayyan, the founder of chemistry, is Arabic 3. Al-Zawahiri, founder of surgery, Arabic 4. Muhammad bin Jaber bin Sinan Al-Battani is nicknamed “Ptolemy of the Arabs.” 5. The most famous astronomers. Ibn Muadh Al-Jiani is the founder of trigonometry 6. Al-Idrisi Al-Qurashi is one of the most important founders of geography 7. Ibn Khaldun, founder of sociology These are quick examples. The Arabs are professors, scholars, and you should know that. The father of Muslim philosophers is Al-Kindi and his students were Persians Al-Mubarrad is the most important teacher of literature. They were students of many Persians, so he produced many Persian scholars Al-Khalil Al-Farahidi was a grammarian whose students were Persians, including Sibawayh Therefore, the Arabs did not expel the Persians for farming and grazing, as the empires do. Rather, we allowed the Persians, including slaves and servants, to learn with the Arab princes.
@ArnoldTeras
@ArnoldTeras Жыл бұрын
In fairness, weren't most of the greatest contributors to the Golden Age ethnically Persians?? At least that's what I've heard somewhere?
@skyinuri8868
@skyinuri8868 Жыл бұрын
How western transform Saudi arabia would be next video
@faheemsardar
@faheemsardar Жыл бұрын
Muslims preserved the Greek and other works. I commend this effort. Peace to all.
@svetlanagalina3370
@svetlanagalina3370 Жыл бұрын
Muchas gracias por la información necesaria e importante sobre los avances musulmanes.
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@brodietaym8475
@brodietaym8475 Жыл бұрын
How can we see the Arabic translation of this? Video says there's an Arabic translation but I don't see it
@EmirSteinCenter
@EmirSteinCenter Жыл бұрын
ِEnable closed captions by clicking CC (bottom-right), click the Settings button (next to the CC button), and choose Subtitles/CC > Arabic.
@learnpashto5951
@learnpashto5951 Жыл бұрын
God bless Emir-Stein members
@AbidKhan-oe3jn
@AbidKhan-oe3jn Жыл бұрын
Alas Some true history Peace 🇮🇳
@yogaathebass
@yogaathebass Жыл бұрын
i miss emir stein video...
@drmom5466
@drmom5466 Жыл бұрын
Such informative video. When I shared it with my grandkid they asked a question. Why are no Muslim scientists and researchers making discoveries and leading the world now a days as they were at that time. Please help me answer this comprehensively and in a positive way addressing all aspects. I don’t have full knowledge to address it@Emir-Stien Centre
@user-eo1zs5tn4m
@user-eo1zs5tn4m Жыл бұрын
I'm not an expert but Quran says to muslims 2 things that they didnt follow .1. dont fight with each other or you will become weak . 2.dont rely on non muslims .as an iranian I know how west did everything they could to hold us back during the past at least 100 years . Just imagine what the world would be like if ottomans and safavids were friends .
@neonationalist1772
@neonationalist1772 Жыл бұрын
The problem is western countries took many significant discoveries from the middle east and till this day they r developing those ideas more and more. But Muslims couldn't finish those ideas that they started. I mean we Muslims built a developed world but later we destroyed everything by fighting among ourselves
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Worth adding that great empires and great civilizations have a finite lifespan. It is hard to attribute any one specific cause of decline. What's interesting to me is the way in which the natural decline of the great Islamic empires is often blamed on some perceived flaw, while other formerly great powers are allowed to slip away.
@thetruth8295
@thetruth8295 Жыл бұрын
We didn't fight each other but when the ottoman khilapha lost the first world war around 1919 , the West sat us apart and made so many countries and they forced nationalism yeah..
@sinanceyhan9851
@sinanceyhan9851 Жыл бұрын
there is an idiom in Turkish which is "Do not presume that every man with a beard would be your grandfather" The thumbnail that you used for this video is an Ottoman miniature image from Şehinşehname which was dedicated to Murad III. by Seyyid Lokman who was a Ottoman-Turkic author who could speak Ottoman Turkish and Persian. I don't mean to sound rude but I believe that to be able to understand any potential transformation of Western Civilization by Arabs, you need be qualified enough to distinguish what is Ottoman or what is Persian or Arabic.
@EmirSteinCenter
@EmirSteinCenter Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching. The thumbnail was chosen on purpose. Our presenter, Dr. Jonathan Lyons, has enough qualifications to "distinguish what is Ottoman or what is Persian or Arabic." We suggest you read his book.
@sinanceyhan9851
@sinanceyhan9851 Жыл бұрын
Well, I'm sure Dr. Lyons knows his stuff. What I'm just saying is the video title and the thumbnail does not match and for those who do not know the difference, it could have been misleading. Or you may want to enlighten us by revealing that "purpose". Thanks for the suggestion.
@khabibnurmagomedov9707
@khabibnurmagomedov9707 Жыл бұрын
I think the more accurate title would be 'HOW MUSLIM TRANSFORMED WESTERN CIVILIZATION' Then it would rightfully include everyone's contributions from arabs, Persians and turks.
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
I am well aware of this point of view and acknowledge that it has some merit. In the bigger picture, virtually all scholar work that forms the basis for my thesis was in fact written in Arabic, regardless of the ethnicity, faith, or locale of its author. Arabic was the lingua franca of learned discourse throughout this period. In the book, I tell of one Persian author who refused to publish his own work in Farsi and translated into Arabic because he felt the latter was a more precise language for science and philosophy. I hope you'll check it out.
@sinanceyhan9851
@sinanceyhan9851 Жыл бұрын
Well, the discussion seems to going some other direction but in the light of this last comment I must say that I openly object your methodology If the research question is based on the argumentation of some scholar refusing publish in Farsi because he/she thought that Arabic was a more precise language for science and philosophy. This is totally a super controversial hypothesis which obviously neglect the political and historical aspects of a dominating language. Moreover, Arabic being lingua franca, as you say, through that period doesn't bring a total legitimacy for your research question which basically I gather that the justification of Arabs transformation on Western civilization is based on the books were written in Arabic. The whole narrative sounds incomplete to me. I'd love to check out the book though.
@letstalkaboutit1428
@letstalkaboutit1428 Жыл бұрын
NOTE: The thumbnail shows Othoman scientists as the headgear worn was from their era and not Arabs.
@user-kj8yl6sn2z
@user-kj8yl6sn2z Жыл бұрын
This is a very heinous mistake, especially since civilizational backwardness and illiteracy spread under the Ottoman Empire
@M-istanbul
@M-istanbul 11 ай бұрын
We are a point that has been reached by putting stone on stone. It is not possible for anyone to develop from a non-existing foundation. However, past success does not mean that we can be lazy from now on. Science on the way of understanding, modelling of matter and universe can need our studies as muslims than everytime is.
@anizapileges2837
@anizapileges2837 10 ай бұрын
You must believe Islam is true religion 👍
@Azaya112
@Azaya112 6 ай бұрын
It is
@michaelabbott9080
@michaelabbott9080 Жыл бұрын
We dont refer it it as Christian science...so why would we use the term Muslim science..?
@mustafaalnoori5213
@mustafaalnoori5213 7 ай бұрын
Because the west didn’t do science until they left christianity, but arabs and surrounding non arabs didn’t do science until they became muslims
@azad1718
@azad1718 Жыл бұрын
Those who don’t appreciate someone’s contribution while benefiting from it or building upon it are simply ungrateful. No one has monopoly in science and technology and architecture. European should not think they have the monopoly in science and they should appreciate what other helped shape science and technology
@user-ps7ue9ky8h
@user-ps7ue9ky8h 3 ай бұрын
Why there is always music with every video This is very bad
@andi2658
@andi2658 Жыл бұрын
Exaggeration of many things. Even the Islamic golden age back then learning many from the western Greeks and Roman civilizations among others, that they conquered (especially Byzantine and Egypt). Also, 'golden age' is a name, the tech progress remain old medieval standard where information and communication as well as focus on tech developments are miniscule compared to post industrialization era in the west, where communication becomes more rapid and tech development focus on science progresses hundred-fold, that nearly every modern aspect of our modern civilization, be it from one modern object to the next, or even systems (modern farming systems for example), follow the western inventions. To add, even if you cherrypick specific field that is promoted as 'islamic golden age invention' like algebra, it actually has its prototype in Babylonia civilization, and even then is not the modern algebra we use today in our modern application. This is like saying Islamic golden age invent our watches and clock, solely because there's a part where an Arab muslim use the first geared clock. While in fact clock has been used long before Mohammed even born in Greek, Egyptian civilizations, solely because he is a Muslim and it was the first geared clock suddenly Muslims claim they invent clock and watches somehow. Ibn khalaf invent the first geared clock, not the one we use today just like the Greek Egyptian before Islam even exist already use water clock. Then Huygens from Dutch invent the first pendulum clock, far better performing errored only 1 minute then the later version only by 10 seconds. Then developments go from there with so many inventors on clocks and watches that we now have our modern watches and clocks. But then again, Muslims always exaggerate and cherrypick, falsely promoting as if they invent the clock solely from ibn khalaf just like many other self-claim 'islamic inventions' which is totally false. An invention, just like the clock, takes many developers and Inventors to make it as it is today, the first man to use the wheel doesn't make him the inventor of our modern cars, not even the tired only as it takes more than just using rounded objects as wheel to make them applicable in our modern cars today. Last but not least, the biggest mistake: none of those scholars from medieval islamic golden age learn them from Islam. Did algebra was taught in the Qur'an? Or Hadith? Nope. Was the geared clock learned from the Qur'an? Nope. There are hundreds-fold western inventors who are Christians, yet I don't see them claiming the nearly whole modern civilization or even specific Inventions are found by Christianity, for this is science. Ironically I very frequently see Muslims with inferiority complex somehow about inventions of techs so often scream the loudest coining the religion of Islam to scientific inventions, as if Islam finds them, which is not the case. This video is not surprising considering it's a channel run by a group that has a track record of promoting Islam to English speaking - mostly western countries audience under the disquise of 'educating other religion and cultures' to them. Basically a islamic-leaning propaganda channel. So not surprising at all
@mohamadikbaabdillah3238
@mohamadikbaabdillah3238 Жыл бұрын
Please translate in Indonesian language!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@TKK1973
@TKK1973 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Jonathan for the book and the introduction video. I will add to that also that Muslim civilization was the first ever civilization that did not destroy earlier civilizations knowledge's and intellectual achievements. The oldest we have studied in Mathematics goes back to Greek era "I.E. Pythagorean Theorem" from year 550 BC, but Chinese civilization had build the Great Wall in 8th century BC which meant they had advanced math and engineering techniques before the Pythagorean time. These techniques and intellectual properties was vanished by other civilization when they defeated the Chinese. before Islam, the winners used to burn all properties of the looser including books and knowledge. Same applies to the Old Egyptians techniques used in building the Pyramids.
@jonathanlyons7058
@jonathanlyons7058 Жыл бұрын
Yes, as we show in the video timeline, there was an additive process of what might be called World Civilization. Good point. As I have shown in one of my other books, Islam Through Western Eyes, the West has gone out of its way to obscure many of these influences and claimed "science" as its unique product.
@dhruvshinde6089
@dhruvshinde6089 Жыл бұрын
A great observation
@shahzadazulfiqar1
@shahzadazulfiqar1 Жыл бұрын
Yes ; It Is Muslims Havent Destroyed Early Human Knowledge. 🤗🤗
@abumarabumar7489
@abumarabumar7489 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps some ages may have been dark for some, but for others they were the brightest. Rather, it's now we are living in dark ages, as the most ignorant and wicked of us are our leaders.
@samistel7922
@samistel7922 Жыл бұрын
@hamzemoudsomali796
@hamzemoudsomali796 Жыл бұрын
not arabs but it was the islam civilization
@roya94
@roya94 Жыл бұрын
As an Iranian, I'm utterly disappointed by the choice of title.
@EmirSteinCenter
@EmirSteinCenter Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching. The title of the video was based on the Dr. Jonathan Lyons book. He's full aware of the great contributions of Persian, Central Asian, and other ethnic groups. It's important to note that an Arab according to the Islamic tradition is someone who's tongue is Arabic as opposed to an ethnic group. Arabi was the lingua franca then. Many Persian scholars had great contributions, including in Arabic language. A prophetic narration mentions that if knowledge was to be found in the Pleiades (open star cluster containing), a person or persons from the sons of Persia would acquire it. By Arabs, the author meant Muslims, but he had to use Arabs in the title. We hope that you read his book and feel free to email the author.
@user-kj8yl6sn2z
@user-kj8yl6sn2z Жыл бұрын
@@EmirSteinCenter When the Persian Safavid state ruled, what were the achievements of the Persian race? What many Persians do not know is that the sons of Persian slaves who were owned by Arab masters were scholars because they found care and attention from their Arab masters This is a historical fact and not an insult to them The Arabs supported all races, regardless of their ethnic status, religion, or social status
@Sara-bs9rz
@Sara-bs9rz Жыл бұрын
Where your golden age before Arabs? All of the non- Arab scientists were under the influence of Arab culture and civilization.
@AllinOne-qc5it
@AllinOne-qc5it Жыл бұрын
I hope people open their minds, discover the beauty of islam, read coran and find the truth, the only way for happiness in this world and the one after death. Peace be upon everybody
@user-kj8yl6sn2z
@user-kj8yl6sn2z Жыл бұрын
One of the most beautiful scientific arts among Arab scholars is that they used to organize Arabic poems in medicine, chemistry, astronomy, etc., so that these sciences could be memorized and reviewed by students. Chemistry, etc.. Among the Arab scientists who excelled in explaining modern sciences in poetic systems. This topic deserves a special episode. Perhaps no civilization has done this before or after the Arabs. Of course, Arab scholars wrote poems to be references in the science of hadith, rhetoric, grammar, biography of the Prophet, etc. Historically, the Arabs, before Islam, were known to be the people of poetry, rhetoric, eloquence, wisdom, and Arab proverbs, and the Arab library is full of that.
@bigsanity
@bigsanity Жыл бұрын
Would be better to say "Muslims" instead of Arabs in the title, since even the poem in the thumbnail in Farsi and also mentioning many scholars like Al Kharazmi (who invented algebra) who was Iranian.
@syruseye
@syruseye Жыл бұрын
These are Iranian achievements. The vast majority of the most important minds of the “golden age” were Iranians who were continuing an ages old tradition of intellectual excellence.
@nicholascage7546
@nicholascage7546 6 ай бұрын
More like 30 percent. The rest were Arabs, Berbers and Turks.
@syruseye
@syruseye 6 ай бұрын
@@nicholascage7546 I said “important”. No other people contributed the quantity of quality minds
@amigoamari3922
@amigoamari3922 3 ай бұрын
We say ,the muslims ...by the leading and help of coran...read the coran...it tell about a lot of interesting things ,even in science cosmos
@maryb6074
@maryb6074 Жыл бұрын
This is not Arabs or Islamic world. This is all about Persian or Iranian high tech/ culture society occupied with Arabs. If you look closely you will see all scientists and Engineers are Persian or Iranian and all these technologies were in Iran before Arab invasion.
@MOUHABDE
@MOUHABDE Жыл бұрын
Muslims not Arabs it was Islamic civilization
@user-ul6mq1jd8f
@user-ul6mq1jd8f Жыл бұрын
No it’s Arabian
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