The iBUYPOWER bans: CS:GO's biggest controversy

[@theScoreesports]

Correction: In our video, at 11:33, we state that "pros that are caught cheating have only been given a two-year competitive ban" by Valve. In fact, Valve has issued indefinite competitive bans to convicted cheaters, while some third parties have opted for two-year competitive bans. Sorry about that.

[@TheChosenJester]

I love how when you guys get things wrong you correct them asap. Means a lot that you take this kind of journalism with a strong sense of integrity and honesty.

[@Brqinstorm]

I'm the one that corrected the mistake out on twitter, mistakes do happen, nobody's perfect. But I'm curious how this one came about. Because there is literally no indication anywhere about cheaters only being banned 2 years by Valve and any google search about this points to indefinite ban. One of the first results when looking for banned CSGO players is the Liquipedia page : liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Banned_players And it has literally all the infos/references needed to correct this : ESL - On March 24th, 2017, it was announced that VAC bans would be equivalent to a two year ESL ban [1] In all other major leagues and events, players with a previous Counter-Strike: Global Offensive VAC ban are prohibited from participating ESL - On July 24th, 2017, it was announced that moving forward, bans for first offenses of match-fixing would result in a five year ban. Additionally, all players currently serving bans for match-fixing at this point would be unbanned [2] You saw this crazy info (where ? btw) that Valve prefers cheaters over matchfixers and you didn't care to check if there was a Valve event with known cheaters participating ? Literally any research would have corrected this in 10 seconds. I really enjoy this channel's content but this video was clearly done without the proper researches and that's disappointing. (especially since people can't do any fact checking on their own and run with anything they see in a video as factual evidence)

[@Sandel99456]

You guys intentionally put that out there to fool people.....Valve is more than just

[@JaqPC16]

Wasn't there a case of dota 2 players who match fixed in a fairly large tourney and only got 12 months?

[@Brqinstorm]

Yes, one, "Solo" in 2013 he bet 100$ against his team and threw a game, it was an unimportant Starladder match. He came forward and admitted it afterward. He did get very lucky and was the first to get caught matchfixing in this "era" of Valve e-sport.(that incident created the "322" meme in Dota 2, 322$ being the grand total of his gain from his matchfixing) But if you look at the list of bans from Dota 2 you'll see that Permanent bans have been handed in every match fixing scandals (some players got 2 years bans but every time one or more of their teammates got permanent bans) So despite what people are trying to imply Dota 2 matchfixing is punished the same way as it is in CSGO.

[@mimik7999]

IBP's biggest flaw, not knowing how to throw properly.

[@Blade6390]

hahaha thats true

[@LittleRainGames]

I dont watch esports, but they are scumbags to do that shit.

[@GiRR007]

@@LittleRainGames no they aren't, its a smart idea, lose on purpose and get more money even if you lose, but they were just so stupid on ow they executed it, you could obviously tell they were throwing live on stage XD, not to mention they had a snitch, but hell I might have even snitched seeing how stupid they were when they were throwing. I kinda hope the throwing thing makes a come back but valve for some reason has been cracking down on gambling...

[@Free-4554]

it's feels like newbs trying to hide their haxs

[@trevic1346]

@@GiRR007 Its not smart, too many things can go wrong. Not to mention they did it for a couple of fucking skins, and saying its a "smart idea" doesn't make up for the fact that they are still scumbags. They literally scammed people out of their money, also.. learn to how spell "throwing".. Are you like 5?

[@Ag-qp6rl]

Maybe lose 16-13 16-12 not 16-4 if you wanna do a match make it look like it's legit

[@Blei1986]

did think the very same. these guys could easily have made it look like a real match they deserve the ban. thx valve however, a great warning to everyone betting their money on ANY sportsevent.

[@sodaking6858]

@@Blei1986 ikr ffs that's just retarded how they did it if it was a close 16-12 or 16-13 loss no one would bat an eye but 16-4 I mean just saying that out loud is suspicious

[@benjaminpont220]

Jamie Owns You do know that vac bans are permanent, they only got permanently banned because there weren’t any rules yet, and they wanted to make the fuck sure that no one thought to do anything similar in the future. Valve was right to ban them, it was their own fucking mistake mate. So the lesson here is: don’t throw CSGO matches like an idiot, why do I even have to tell you that shit?

[@lynnmorgan5897]

I know this comment is old but there were gambles for the "winners advantage", for example you could bet 100 dollars that they would win by 5 rounds ahead or more

[@Cirbii]

@@benjaminpont220 right it’s obvious valve wanted to use them as an example for people to see what happens when you break rules so they perma banned them even if they didn’t deserve that big of a consequence

[@robinv1482]

"There were no rules for matchfixing." Thats the worst argument i've ever heard...

[@SeanTheOriginal]

"Collusion isn't illegal, even if I did it"

[@Imminent0Demise]

What other sport would your career not be over, if there was hard proof of match fixing?

[@RBullDozer]

@@Imminent0Demise Football.. the italian match fixing scandal. Read about it..

[@bledathehun328]

It is tecnically correct, the best kind of correct

[@Bellaexe5091]

OTFox sexual assault, yes it does.

[@WiiSuper]

Skadoodle is actually so lucky that he didn't get banned

[@pekillas2593]

Dazed said he didn't want to participate in it from the start. How the fuck did he get lucky?

[@WiiSuper]

Because he was still part of the team and i figured valve just wouldn't care and ban all of them

[@marcshu6697]

@@WiiSuper No, as the Video states Valve was checking their accounts for any kinds for trades with "more expensive" Skins.

[@pekillas2593]

@@WiiSuper they checked them separately

[@hellboy7399]

steel explained that the reason ska wasnt banned is that he hadnt recieved the skins yet so when the accusations started he turnt down any trade because he realized what was going to happen

[@oliverpoole432]

Swag could've been something...

[@gendro6091]

He is still doing well.

[@jackmcloan2712]

Steel could have been more, look at his current performances with ghost Guy is a mastermind

[@trevc9177]

Isn't he unbanned now??

[@JasonJia11]

@@trevc9177 only for non-Valve sponsored events. And he means he could've been something when they were still allowed to play at any Valve tournament and be good. Especially since they come from NA, which desperately needs better teams other than Liquid, C9 last year, or OpTic was in the past.

[@trevc9177]

@@JasonJia11 that sucks for him but I suppose they had to make him the example so other young players won't make the same mistake

[@thedukeplays9090]

Match fixing doesn't need rules since it has LAWS behind it. Extremely obvious laws as well. Its ILLEGAL to match fix because if people don't know: Its classified as fraud or scam depending on what the core case is. The ban is valid and I support Valve in this decision. IBP fucked up. Thats all there is to it. If they were as good as people are saying there is no need to throw matches for extra cash.

[@thomasanonymous998]

Skins have no real world value assigned by valve. Other people assign the value to the skins.

[@george4566]

@@xjudoflip7381 yeah but people bet real money on the games using csgo lounge Still think that swag should be unbanned tho :(

[@rec0il_179]

George too bad get over yourself actions have consequences if you were over the age of 18 you’d know that

[@sodaking6858]

@@rec0il_179 it must have been sickening for the 4 banned members of I Buy Power having to sit back and watch Cloud 9 became the first NA team to win a major in 2018 with who else but Skadoodle the only guy who survived the IBP ban

[@th0bse_]

@@xjudoflip7381 I truly understand your point of view, but "I'm biased, because they were my favorite team, so they should be unbanned" is, idk how to say it, like not very well phrased... They literally are lucky that they didn't get fined for that, matchfixing is illegal, regardless of whether any tournament organizer has rules against it or not... I fully support the lifetime bans and I think, that a strict zero tolerance policy regarding both cheating and matchfixing is the only way to go.

[@BennyC023]

who else checked steam at 2:57

[@nimr0dzzz]

Looool same

[@mautkasaudagar2286]

Me xD

[@KomakoSemonovich]

Because no one actually love you that's why we checked steam HAHAH

[@991vk]

I checked the app on my phone.

[@local9]

I'm at work, still checked.

[@TheBigo234]

Truth is valve before double checking everything approach ibp and asked them if they throw the match. and they lied to valve face. This is result.

[@vireshuberoy4625]

"If shroud one deag's me, I'll quit"

[@k_os8174]

lmao

[@cokguzeladam]

THATS IT.

[@anhvunguyen158]

Style 1

[@elton0139]

They cheated people out of their money, practically stealing out of the pockets, and people want them unbanned?

[@faker3033]

Heart of gold brother it was like 70 dollars per player

[@fdistefano6297]

기린 aaaaand... you’ve lost any support on my end. You attempt to have a civil discussion and you begin throwing out insults like an immature person. And btw multiple bets of $1193.14 doesn’t mean more than $10,000; may have not heard all of it but I’m quite sure that’s literally not 10,000. As a fan of Brax, I’d love to see them unbanned from valve tourneys but I believe the premise of it serves as a strong earning yo future players who wish to throw. As they haven’t broken any current rules and there technically weren’t rules at the time specific to match fixing, they shouldn’t be banned. Obviously valve tells you they have the right to ban any person or account or inventory without warning, I believe that more than enough time has passed and frankly it seems as though you have more of an issue with people disagreeing with you than the actions of the players.

[@Brqinstorm]

Oh no, not your support :'( "Cud had his 9 smurfs all place the maximum bet of 1193.14$" So yes, literally more than 10.000$ (I can do the math for you if you're not sure) This guy has been posting bullshit comment everywhere and correcting people with literally no knowledge about anything relevant here (and probably no knowledge at all, because I really suspect that he's a teenage baboon, a very intelligent one, but a baboon nonetheless) I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, people speaking out of their asses and making things up on the other end, thats a problem. And yes, there was no clear sentence regarding matchfixing, but you need a first to set a precedent so again, they are undeniably within their rights when it comes to this ban. And after the IBP scandal they have been consistent and handed permanent bans in every match fixing punishment.

[@fdistefano6297]

기린 I’d like to add that I said I’m not sure about the specific amount and I literally asked you to tell me if you knew. Also, they did not follow precedent so why change it for the ibp squad. Why are you insulting me personally? Is your argument not strong enough to stand on its own?

[@Brqinstorm]

Well, I had already told you that it was upwards of 10.000$ so you already knew that I knew.(and its in the video.) Also, you didn't "just ask" you basically told me that you were pretty much sure that I was wrong. (the polite thing to do when accusing someone of being wrong is at least trying to get some information to support your claim btw.) Now, please, entertain me, tell me where exactly did I "insult you personally" ? (if you want to cut to the chase : I did not.) But yeah, sure, I use ad hominem attacks because my argument doesn't stand on its own, even though I'm literally the only one that uses facts here. And they did not change "for IBP". First of all and I already explained this : 1 case was literally a fraction of the other in term of prejudice 322$ against more than 10.000$. (thats more than 31x the amount of money that was "stolen".) Secondly, this case put one of the biggest PR problems in the spotlights : Underrage gambling. Because lets not forget also that IBP stole a lot of their money from childs basically. This clearly needed to be addressed swiftly and in a clear authoritative manner. Lastly and I cannot stress this enough, they did not just "change" for IBP because after that they handed permanent bans for matchfixing *EVERY SINGLE TIME*. So stop acting like they had an agenda specifically against IBP it's not the case. If you change your stance on a subject you can't go back and change previous sentencing so its absolutely logical that Solo didn't get his ban changed to a permanent one. Again, he was very lucky to be the first one.

[@PyroSSBM]

I dont play this game, but i love watching all your videos

[@kianovitch6489]

Same i dont play this game but i still watch these videos and some tournaments

[@noobslayer9291]

Don't play, you'll waste a lot of time

[@PyroSSBM]

@@noobslayer9291 lol Im more of an Overwatch Torb Player

[@usrname1y]

I only watch and play CSGO except on this channel 😀Here I love to watch even Overwatch content 😎😇 this is youtubes best channel for gamers!

[@PyroSSBM]

@@usrname1y def one of the best esports story telling channels

[@coycen]

I'm definitely on valves side. These guys threw a match intentionally, taking a dump on the COMPETITIVE spirit of the game. By banning them permanently it sends out a very strong to message to other orgs who might think about doing that too. It was a small event but it doesn't matter if it is a regional tournament or the worlds grand finals: if you're not willing to give it your all or throw games for money you're not welcome. It hurts the image of a sport tremendously if stuff like that would fly unpunished

[@faker3033]

Coyce but on the other hand they should treat every matchfixing case the same way like the one in Dota 2...

[@faker3033]

Coyce and you arw talking about valves sportsmanship and how much they ,,CARE,, about the community hahaha look at what the cs community has become now full of hackers and agressiv russians and the tournaments are the only things that are interesting now in this community although the tournaments earnings also are going to questionable people (shroud statement)

[@coycen]

@@faker3033 I'm not familiar with valve's games since neither play dota 2 nor cs:go, I was just commenting on whether or not I agree with their decision or not. At no point did I say valve is a sportsmanship caring company. It's a shame to hear that though. Counter strike has been one of if not THE game(s) to create esport.

[@ILYPenumbra]

OK here's the thing, if they are playing a regular season game and decide to throw, how tf is that bad. The game had no impact what so ever. I mean what about if they were to take out their starters and put in unknown trash players? That ruins the competitive spirit as well. Should IBP be a banned org because of that? If an extremely good team decided they are gonna fuck around during a season game against a comparibly trash team who tf does that harm? It is a victimless crime.

[@minervgiko]

Xterial No, because thousands of people bet what was their money and lost it. Many people went in with 100s of dollars thinking it was an easy profit, all that money was lost because the team were to selfish to think about any other person than themselves. I agree that they deserve a second chance as of now, but it was definitely the right call at the time. Another thing to add is that people always want CSGO to be recognized as a real sport. Well, in real sports ppl get banned for life for match fixing.

[@nybethobdilord6912]

Love that Tekken 3 arcade in the background.

[@ricoraxelhd]

I actually agree with the perma ban match fixing is one of the worst things you could do to a sport we don't want cs to become like soccer

[@Faery69]

then cheaters too should be perma banned

[@kaspernielsen9149]

or American Egg toss, or Tennis, or Baseball and so on

[@TheRatedOniChannel]

@@kaspernielsen9149 remember the Black Sox scandal, it is basically the same thing, and the team was disbanded and I believe many players were banned from the League after that.

[@downsouth1678]

Or boxing 😛

[@dinogaming4419]

Kasper Nielsen I mean I don’t really think many of those are fixed.

[@Cocpain]

Valve a company that may benefit most if major league gaming becomes as main stream as professional sports (nfl,nba,mlb,etc) did the right thing. Vegas has major pull in professional sports and them getting behind you will help legitimize you, so this sort of thing cannot even be in question.

[@Legohaiden]

Sorry I'm with Valve on this... Match fixing is the lowest of the low.. its actually WORSE then cheating. In professional sports (boxing, MMA) throwing a match is a lifetime ban from the sport, it should be no different in esports if they want them to be taken seriously.

[@porkieCS]

Ure adopted lmao

[@Legohaiden]

@@porkieCS that... doesn't make any sense... your comment that is. And I look exactly like my dad... so if im adopted that pretty uncanny

[@jon....]

Legohaiden Lol you took that shit literally

[@DUxMORTEM]

Im against it. If you dont make it a rule then its not a rule you cannot break a rule that doesnt exist. You cant punish someone for doing something that isnt illegal. Make it a rule then you can punish people. You cant just pull rules out of your ass when you feel like it.

[@matthewdang4005]

true, but I think that a perma ban on swag is a bit much.

[@karlo5453]

I love these type of vids.

[@TheJim9191]

It's hilarious that they went down for scamming such a comparatively meaningless amount of money by pro eSports standards, over a match that didn't matter. They absolutely, 100% deserve it. They scammed people out of money. They're lucky they didn't get fined to hell and back for this to be honest. And then they whine that they can't play a video game anymore after cheating in said game.

[@Liaam]

Swag would have a major under his belt or be very close to it if he was not banned. He was so young at the time. Also it's important to know that there was a match fixing scandal in DOTA 2 before this one and those players were not permabanned by valve

[@StrikeWarlock]

The difference is the 322 was the first "Fool me once" that ever happened.

[@enyarross7344]

dota2 management is more reasonable unlike fkin csgo's

[@marcosjimenez3499]

It was one player when Dota was still new, big match fixing scandals have happened twice after and those players are still permabanned

[@tatuhey]

because valve laid out matchfixing rule during TI4 (2014)

[@amirhassan7887]

Solo did the 322 (matchfix) before the matchfixing rule even came out . So he was only banned for a year and now he's a millionaire playing for VP lmao

[@proficiencyjjs5898]

POV : you trying to figure out what wardell’s tweet is about

[@jona5268]

wait wdym

[@maricvicfreyg.argonza1302]

IBuyPower is the greatest "what if" team in CSGO history. What makes me so mad is that IBuyPower had a dark horse roster that was just destined for great things. But just a few skins later, it was all wiped away, that team placed 2nd on FACEit League Season 2 taking all 2 games against LDLC the second best team in the world and managing to take a map against the monsters fnatic in the finals and even though they had an underwhelming esl one cologne they were the clear cut best NA team in the world. They were young, they were gritty, they were talented but best of all they were overflowing with IQ, whatever they lacked in talent they more than made up with their incredible gamesense and insanely genius strategical tactics that made you question how they came up with those plays. If it wasn't already clear, they were the future, not just of NA CSGO but just CS in general. This was it, IBuyPower would finally be the team that would put NA on the map, they're the clear cut best NA team in the world they will surely be the ones who will bring NA greatness! Then yeah... that happened

[@ivanvoronov3871]

Reading that makes me sad

[@waynewanye7558]

part of the irony is a single IBP holo sticker from kato 2014 is now worth 5x as much as all the skins IBP players received combined

[@szyszko3088]

Forsaken: banned for 5 years for cheating in a valve tournament that had a prize pool of $500,000 IBP: throwing a lann game that didn't mean anything and wasn't involved in valve tournaments: Gets banned for life

[@mikekaiser1988]

damn man

[@absalon1992]

Timothy Lim lmao

[@reckapple5641]

Well in Valve's defense, match-fixing is considered a fraud and is therefore illegal, which is a pretty legit reason for a perma-ban

[@ALittleMessi]

What about the hundred or thousands of people that bet on ibp? That's why it's against the law and they could have faced criminal charges

[@rarinth]

5 years is for non valve events he got perm banned

[@ThyeDon]

What's still wild to me is that nobody talks about how this ban single handedly stunted the growth of NA CS scene until Liquid (almost 2 years after the ban), then C9 and Optic almost a year after that.

[@Svilly12]

The ban didn't stunt the growth of NA CS. These guys cheating stunted that growth. You can't blame the ban. LOL

[@yujiakweh]

@@Svilly12 chicken and egg

[@MrSmokinDragon]

@@yujiakweh Nope. There is a clear-cut cause-and-effect direction here. If they hadn't matchfixed, they would not have been banned. Cam Schares postulate that the ban was what stunted the NA scene, which makes Hot Dogs statement correct.

[@user-ow1bc4sx2r]

TziaYu that's like saying it's chicken and egg when you punch yourself in the face and get a black eye. Nah dude the black eye did not cause you to punch yourself

[@ap-yq2lt]

you do understand that there are things called "peaks"? there are also things that happen when you're told you're permanently banned from a game. like losing drive or motivation and just a general decline in mood and skill over time. i don't think dazed was a god or anything but he is pretty fucking smart and i think the ban just made him even more bitter and angry so now he's just too fucked to play at the top level. i do agree with the rest.

[@nobody-tj1mv]

I'm impressed. This is a really well put together video. The narrations, the editing, the research… well done guys. Well done.

[@user-kd8to1nu1k]

Btw this iconic moment of steel hesitating obviously... 😂😂

[@gusfalk]

at what time?

[@zenvious5645]

@@gusfalk 3:29

[@gusfalk]

@@zenvious5645 oh yeah haha, thanks

[@jakeward3986]

I find it funny that cutler was on the other team seeing as how he is now playing valorant as well

[@lucasvca]

Match fixing absolutely destroys competitive integrity. I agree with the lifetime bans

[@faker3033]

lucasvca valve should focus on fixing other things such as the cheaters and the general community

[@Brqinstorm]

Yeah its super easy to fix cheaters and the community. lol Try making at least a bit of sense.

[@economy1041]

Also search pro player cheating in major in youtube

[@xtote]

Dont allow betting, problem solved.

[@jepubepu9570]

meanwhile cheaters on leagues can get unbanned

[@peassful]

It's funny the narrator says "There are no rules regarding match fixing at the time by valve" There also were no rules regarding valve wanting to do whatever they want on match fixers... lol

[@ChrisCoul]

I remember when this happened, this was a good overview of the events and a nice look into the past of the csgo community.

[@bread4014]

How can T Martin get away for introducing people and children to gambling but IBP get shut down by a bet of $1,000 and get all of their careers destroyed.

[@ZSyx77]

strange, the KZbin subtitles put "bye bye power"

[@JrKdM]

Semmler fukked up dazed and steel arent the only ones to be blamed swag was never pressured into throwing they were all on it swag confirmed it himself years later

[@Hostile_Wizard]

You know that you're a good content creator if you can make people get hyped up about games they don't even play!

[@zombler]

Nice move syncing the Braxton "swag" Pierce to him saying it. I let out a huge huff of air through my nose hearing this.

[@w1lDstYLe]

Oh damn. I didn't notice that until reading this comment. Nice

[@SixDeadMice]

He looks like he's 14... no wonder these guys threw a match... they're not mature enough to understand what they did was unethical and wrong... esports will never go big because by the time your mature enough to make smart decisions your reflexes can't compete with the children.

[@zombler]

@@SixDeadMice You have to take into account the fact that back then they were not paid salaries and had financial obligations which made for the incentive to throw. Many of them have shown remorse and maturity in recent years too. Stating that esports will never be "big" is an uninformed an factually wrong statement to make. It is already mainstream and has shown huge growth throughout recent years and there is no reason to think it will stagnate in growth.

[@dsadasdsadsa4624]

@@zombler honestly I wish I could agree with you but I cant 2 yearsr ago (not sure) a peruvian dota team that had potential to be something matchfixed aswell and they are all perma banned within the same circunstances; also peru is way, way poorer than fucking usa lets be honest here those guys actualy struggle FOR REAL irl when it comes to money ps: im not peruvian

[@Uncircuited]

2:56 literally thought I got a steam notif

[@savagecabbage1561]

who knows 2 years later they are all in Valorant and competing in top tier orgs

[@dfsempire2712]

They’re not good though

[@keyframecatalyst3344]

@@dfsempire2712 yeah aside from Steel in 100Thieves, none of them isn't really making a name in Valorant yet

[@dfsempire2712]

@@keyframecatalyst3344 yeah some of them were talented in overwatch but left before is popped off which was stupid of them they missed out on huge contracts and a legacy.

[@saiyajin2k694]

@@dfsempire2712 tf 100t is one of the best teams in na rn, t1 has been struggling but in vct they beat v1 which was also known as on of the best teams in na so idk what ur talking about "not good" steel is a top igl in na shazham also was involved in this is now the best igl probs in valorant, brax has been choking lately but he is in t1 ska is also in t1 and is consistantly putting up numbers

[@saiyajin2k694]

@@keyframecatalyst3344 they made a name when valorant just started t1 was the best team around beta and just fell off it used to be tsm vs t1 for the best in na valorant during first stages of pro val

[@eviel7833]

Valve did those bans to do two things 1) show other players that they will not look away from scams like that, not on minor or major tournaments 2) protect their game from goverment law enforcers, those players could be taken to court for game fixing, and even if the players won case this would make a scar on CSGO face as a global sport

[@jpao1834]

Of course Valve should be decisive in giving punishments such as Perma-ban. It involved THOUSANDS of dollars. I know it's virtual but hey, if you know how local trading works, it can and will be converted to real life money. And of course, they're giving pardons 'cos hey, "everyone deserves a second chance" is applicable in this kind of situation.

[@6hosty94]

Skadoodle has been a real one since day one. I'll always respect that man for declining the skins

[@SiuySewage]

You guys really should have put the clip with Semmler explaining about them Denying the accusation which made things worse.....

[@zndjrisudoqz]

10:32 is straight fire, preach Semmler

[@14K_Zo]

Thank god they threw my iBuy Power holo sticker is considered a bitcoin now

[@xowormsfan1]

you guys should have included when n0thing said that swag knew what he was doing, he wasn't being manipulated so easily by dazed or steel like semmler was saying. kinda makes the video biased but i do completely think that they should be unbanned by now.

[@enyarross7344]

eh. swag was a kid that time. perhaps he was peer pressured into agreeing about the mfixing. i still believe perma ban is stupid

[@thomashurrell3820]

Unbanning them sets a precedent. Match fixing? Sure come back in 4 years time. Doping? Come back once they wear off. Cheating? We're sure you won't do it again, cone back tomorrow.

[@aok9153]

He was a kid? Wasnt he like 18 already? So he was already an adult and knew what he was doing. If he was 12 maybe then it would be justified lol

[@ChristofAbsolution]

Punishment makes sense. It's not about them throwing a meaningless match - they intentionally threw a match where someone dumped how many bets of 1k+ on their opponent? Over 9? What was the odds they were giving the underdogs? 3:1? So why not do the math here - one person made 10 to potentially 30 thousand dollars on that thrown match that supposedly was meaningless. Does 30,000 dollars sound meaningless? They deserve what they got and I'm surprised that anyone lets them play anything.

[@GiRR007]

its gambling money from idiots, its fine in my book

[@Waskomsause]

@@GiRR007 Same rules as in boxing are needed here, otherwise esports events for CS:GO could lose a lot of the respect they've gained in the last few years. Either treat it like a sport and ban players for fixing matches/cheating, or you can just forget people ever taking esports as more then a small time deal.

[@BenersantheBread]

@@GiRR007 It's theft.

[@GiRR007]

@@BenersantheBread no its not, you aren't stealing from anyone, its a bet, people lose money in bets constantly

[@ReverendReverb]

Night Raven yeah, when they’re fair.

[@bolornn4149]

Its so weird to see these CSGO pros playing valorant now.... Steel won the first major in competitive Valorant and Brax, AZK, Ska adn Dazed on T1. I guess Brax/Swag’s story is not over, he just needs time. Can’t wait to see what T1 will bring in the coming years :D

[@TanakaMatsumoto]

Pretty sad how you can get caught tampering with the events and just because they're "big name players" they get unbanned. If they were ordinary gamers it's a perma ban. No questions, no ifs, ands, or buts. They if anything should be held to a higher standard and not only ban, but punish as well.

[@keegancarter7101]

6:17 “Hugh Jass” hugeass lmao

[@Nerraj]

8:50

[@810wasaninsidejob9]

Semmler was so off base on his take. Supposedly swag was one of the people who really wanted to throw for skins. Dude is asking like Dazed made swag murder someone, swag made a decision and deserves the same punishment. Him being 17 at the time doesn't mean shit, wrong is wrong.

[@EternallyGod]

How can anyone support cheating in any form? I dont care if it was for pocket lint, it doesnt justify cheating. They shouldnt be allowed to play online, CS:GO should have them permanently banned from even logging onto their game.

[@MaxAndHisBike]

Their throw was absolutely idiotic. If I were to throw that match I'd just miss-aim a bit and maybe make some bad calls, not troll around. Also the match should end in the closest way possible, with them playing some normal rounds and some bad ones. That way you can just say that you were tired or something like that. Glad they are perma-banned, when esport becomes serious there are serious consequences to doing shit like that

[@Adobotrice]

How didn’t Shahzam get banned?

[@sskuk1095]

This is the kind of content that keeps me coming back to KZbin

[@AlderaansRanger]

It’s good to know I can cheat professionally and I won’t be punished for my entire life.

[@DuckYou25]

finally been waiting for this thanks theScore esports.

[@dingdongs5208]

I love how everyone thinks swags innocent

[@middle_pickup]

"Four young talents had their careers cut short." Nope four young dumbass kids jeopardized their careers, and payed the price. I support Valve's zero tolerance for match-fixing, and would like them to extend the same level of punishment to cheaters in competitive matches.

[@AlexYoon]

i like how you syncronized Brax Swag Pierce with Brax's mouth movement

[@bubbles13244]

They shouldve never perma ban, but maybe give a 1 year ban. I like tat they gotbanned because ths basically means, they can win so much money of unbanned

[@bismark5566]

Fixing match is unacceptable. Ban is the right thing to do.

[@HughJanusDaHorseshoeCrab]

all they had to do was try out some "new strategies" that would fail and make it a close game

[@KingSulley]

I remember this match like it was yesterday, I remember being hesitant to bet half of my invintory on IBP, I remember watching IBP start 0-5 and cringing in my skull. I remember reading the post on ESEA forums. I thought it would be an easy bet. I lost 1400 in skins on CSGO lounge. I lost all respect for what was one of my favorite teams to watch. After that I quit trading/betting, and just enjoyed what skins I had left.

[@karsonkrow]

Why did shanzam not get in any trouble at all??

[@arnav4253]

Man : things werent that simple.. S1mple : what ?

[@Dangy11997]

Perma ban for match fixing but 2 years for cheating... Lol valve.

[@TheJD75099]

1:33 i see what you did there

[@333frenk]

i wish steel plays the iem katowice qualifier even though he's banned to make valve publicly address these bans again or maybe a org can directly contact valve about the player bans like ghost or if sp gets picked up by an org

[@Jodsen1298]

Why would they need to publicly adress the bans? They would probably just get disqualified. Valve doesn't really have to adress this anymore. They made it very clear, that these bans are permanent.

[@junesongiv-9025]

in a Recent Qna with a Valve Team Member for CS they said the team there has had no change of heart for that ban

[@itihasadhikari240]

hackers and cheaters should be permanently banned. They made a bad decision but I think ibp players had enough of their punishment

[@lmecobra3443]

Why were they banned i dont get it ???

[@sucrose9893]

match-fixing

[@therocklau]

First of all, match fixing is a way for valve to lose control over CSGO betting scene, that's a big no from valve, everyone knows how much money they made from repackaging gambling into the game, this is prbly the biggest reason they god perma banned, in a word they touched valve's money. Another thing is, these guys are so brazen about the throw they were actually trying to lose, it's a dirt work could discredit the game among esport games, hacking and cheating are individual instances which exist in all interactive games, but match fixing isn't.

[@titaniumiwnl]

@@therocklau i agree but when valve found out that one of the dota 2 team threw a match they banned them for only a year but for IBP its perma. Like why?? And the 1 yr ban was after the ibp ban. I seriously feel dota 2 is valve real child and csgo being their adopted one

[@Nemkis]

?? If anything Valve has killed the CS:GO gambling scene with skins with 7 day cooldown trade on skins etc. Why? Because it's disgusting letting kids gamble, you can still gamble on cs go games on decent websites that actually takes responsibility to make sure you're atleast 18yo and you have to pay real money, just like any other real gambling site.

[@carlitoh4587]

T1 roster in valorant is worrying me

[@matomoto]

Wasn't there a DOTA 2 team which match-fixed a much more important match that came after the iBP ban, and were later unbanned? Valve's really inconsistent with their bans.

[@passbyicecube]

Ah... The 322 incident. It was initially a perma-ban, but later become unban. I guess this gave other the sense that valve's ban aren't THAT serious, they were wrong.

[@kami_narisama]

@@OnoaCS actually no, 322 is actually before this if i recall. Its the first proven match fixing so Valve goes easy on him. There's actually more 322 on Dota, an SA team, and they, alongside the org, got banned till now

[@Brqinstorm]

No, Solo was the only one getting a temporary ban after being found guilty of matchfixing. And it was way before the IBP scandal and it was a non important Starladder match. Valve has handed permanent ban every time after that. So congratulations Matomoto, you managed to get absolutely nothing right in your comment. How about doing the slightest bit of research before spreading your bullshit on the internet ?

[@fdistefano6297]

기린 wow, do you act like this all the time. First you feel the need to take credit for the error fix and let everyone know it was you. Also, ummm he asked a question then stated they are inconsistent with match fixing bans. Which they are. They unbanned a player but not ibp players? Why, what’s different according to s different thread you commented on above stealing is stealing no matter what. Yet, valve didn’t even follow their own precedent and instead permanently banned ibp? What’s the difference, if stealing is stealing and they didn’t even make rules about solos throw, why should ibp be perma banned? Also, the ibp match was unimportant as well. They were already set, weren’t they?

[@Brqinstorm]

First of all, its not as much to "toot my own horn" about correcting this (because it was literally done in 3 seconds with a google search) but about people giving them credit for correcting something that should have never been in the video if they did the slightest bit of research and more than that, not even spotting it afterward until someone literally corrects it for them. Its more me being disappointed in a channel that I liked more than a career accomplishment for using a search engine to fact check. Valve were not inconsistent, they started banning people permanently for matchfixing with IBP and after that every single time banned people permanently in each match fixing instance. You maybe have troubles with the definition of "inconsistent" but just know that Valve wasn't. (on that particular subject) And if you don't see how those cases are different just think for one second. The scale was different from an exposure standpoint and the fact that one case was an entire team conspiring and the other a player alone. One case had people lying for months about it and trying to discredit the people that exposed their lies. One case was 322$ the other was tens of thousands of dollars And finally Solo just had the luck of being the first. If you ask me he should have been banned permanently too, but it would be truly inconsistent from Valve to hand him a temporary ban and then come back years later to perma ban him because that was their new policy. I know it hurts because you're clearly a fanboy, but don't say Valve hasn't been consistent on this, you're just wrong.

[@PHANTOMCOWGIRL]

Oh, so that's where my PC is named from. I've forgotten where i got it, but it's iBUYPOWER RAIDMAX and it just about runs CS smooth on low settings, though it chugs near fire. I think they also have to get their name on an actual good PC.

[@Sabrowsky]

"there's no rules on match fixing" Yeeeeeeah I think match fixing is implicitly against rules when in a competition

[@Rabbitron]

I never played or watched cs during this time, so it's cool that you recap stuff like this. Could you recap the hikk Brazil situation, I've only heard some parts of it

[@Louis-dq1ez]

G2 getting banned after the game with vp on cache And thx for all the likes yeet

[@mrc4meron]

yeah g2 has been suspiciously bad lately. kenny doesn't look like himself ingame

[@oskartyden8071]

Wtf fair enough

[@44r0n-9]

@@mrc4meron well he got 30K in one half in the second game

[@johnnycatR58]

@@44r0n-9 and they still lost... like wtf. Edit: I meant to say g2 almost lost

[@44r0n-9]

@@johnnycatR58 they won, idk which match you watched.

[@a.hypocrite]

Two years later and I just noticed the HiddenXperia merch.

[@arslors]

2:57 thought I got a message on steam :( #foreveralone

[@bread7144]

Semmler flaming the fuck out of Dazed and Steel is some of the funniest shit ever.

[@CFootprints]

Sensitive as this is; I personally feel a lifetime ban is a bit much. In other sports players that have been fund guilty of fixing bets are usually fined according to the severely of their fix, suspended for x amount of time or matches and slandered in gutter press for a while, after which all is forgotten and they can go back to being a star player. Maybe it's because this was the first (known) case of match fixing in csgo that the punishment is this severe due to having no prior experience with it, but a lifetime ban ruins more than someone's career.

[@th0bse_]

You ruin you career anyways with this. No major organisation should (at least in my opinion) work with someone who ever engaged in matchfixing. They destroyed their careers all by themselves, that's not Valve's fault. They are lucky that they didn't get fined for that, in my opinion. It's something about integrity, and they clearly showed, that they had no respect whatoever, regarding the people who believed in them, or who believe in the competitive csgo scene in general. Even if it was just "them being young and making mistakes", that's not an excuse.

[@feelthesurge]

I’ve seen so many screenshots of the 3:30 moment due to the “help sewers” scandal in Valorant. Had to come here to figure out how they were related lol

[@Colver47]

autimatic has also been awping over ska as of late. C9 match fixing??

[@Thomas-od2ki]

Yeah but ever since then Autimatic is basically carrying

[@warmike]

Maybe not match fixing, but that is a sign of not taking the game very seriously, the thing that people call "saving strats"

[@insertname1837]

0:36 That tekken 3 arcade was the best part o the video

[@16jms]

Honestly, I have no sympathy whatsoever for these guys. They did an incredibly dumb and disingenuous thing and were punished for it. I find a lifetime ban to be completely appropriate, because I don't think you can trust those people in a competetive environment ever again. It doesn't matter that this game was nearly meaningless. It doesn't matter if and how much they gained from it. It doesn't matter what they did to try and make it right afterwards. They betrayed the trust of the community and the intergrity of the game, and now they have to pay the prize for that. By the way, I also fully support lifetime bans for convicted cheaters as well.

[@kotomixkyou]

Honestly the worst thing about these scandals is always the betting sites themselves. I will never understand why sports or esports betting is legal where gambling is illegal, especially when people gambling on these sites are often minors. People only match fix when there’s money on the line, and the only way to stop it entirely is to go after the betting sites and ringleaders.

[@itsahmeddd]

Good thing swag switched to valorant, hes so good at Valo

[@narrow3601]

Along with the other IBP bois

[@marcelojunior4180]

Valve is not wrong, these guys are lucky they are not in prison.

[@arrgiecandedeir9488]

CSGO version of Solo's 322 in Dota 2..

[@jroc3080]

this should be a movie.

[@m.gryphiswaldense8006]

I don’t really play counter-strike but I enjoy watching some professional matches and keeping up to date with the major happenings. This video was very easy for me to follow along and was beautifully presented. Well done :]

[@koolkidz121]

Really old story but it's good to be reminded about it

[@sasakikaede8241]

For some reason Im attracted to watch this video before go sleep

[@donjones2500]

This was a HUGE Controversy back then.Even Dota 2 steered away from iBuypower affiliated teams and iBuypower events.

[@XoLiTlz]

The legend '322' VP.Solo must feel so good he didn't get permaban.

[@dsadasdsadsa4624]

it wasnt a team it was a single player (solo) who threw the game betting against HIS TEAM on his gf account and he got banned for a year and not perma because back then valve had never faced any matchfixing scandals and there were absolutely no rules about it so it was kind of weird he also apologized without getting caught which is something entirely different and should be looked through a different perspective than an entire team that throws a game for their own gains and refuses to admit until they are proven guilty, you feel me? thanks

[@wheezydigitz8992]

It's really hard to imagine that this event just started when I started getting into cs almost 5 years ago now. Geez time flies. The IBP throw was one of the first professional games I ever watched and was told to watch it by some friends who claimed they were the "best team NA" so it was really weird to see them get demolished. I'm glad they were able to move past it and continue their influence within the space.

[@carolino9783]

"There were no rules against matchfixing", come on, thats the biggest BS excuse someone cam ever give, its like if your gf caught you cheating and you say there were no rules against it. Some things are very cleary implied. 322

[@paegr]

And their fatal flaw was buying power.

[@christopherreyes4526]

Tekken in the background👌

[@nybethobdilord6912]

Not just any tekken. That's Tekken 3. The best one.

[@christopherreyes4526]

@@nybethobdilord6912 haha trueeee

[@hatenhatenhaten]

Wow. It's almost like this is super super old news...

[@nikhilweerakoon1793]

Foresaken: Banned for 5 years IBP : Banned for life

[@rohanverma3111]

He is banned permanently

[@liammoon9309]

Absolutely right call to ban them permanently. Regular people lost money betting on that match since their team was obviously favored. They found out what happens when you make bad decisions

[@dacops2394]

It was a scam from valve to sell super expensive stickers.

[@kudretanilcoskun]

Retarted comment ever.