The Ideal Diet | Dave Asprey, Kip Andersen & Dr. Joel Kahn | Talks at Google

A friendly discussion between Kip Andersen, Dave Asprey, and Dr. Joel Kahn. The question they explore is, "what is the ideal diet?" Each guest approaches this subject in a very different way, and we hope that the dialogue between them can bring more clarity to this perennial question.
Kip Andersen is the director of the documentary "What the Health;" Dave Asprey is the author of "The Bulletproof Diet;" and Dr. Joel Kahn is the author of "The Whole Heart Solution."

[@saephoto723]

I find it funny that Google said they had different viewpoints on diets but it seems like Kipp and Dr. Joel have the very same viewpoint. Kip just looks and sounds so defensive and angry.

[@Brightstarmorrissey]

Sean Edmonston agreed the best he could do was make fun of the bulletproof name and insult Asprey whilst claiming to be spiritual .

[@SavoyPrimeable]

He probably has blood sugar issues like most vegans lol

[@ginb2283]

Kip is the kind of elitist who will look back in just a few years and (should) figure out just how little he knows, contrary to his stuffy attitude in this video. I found him to be extremely obnoxious and could never take him seriously.

[@lisamartin4858]

Are you surprised? It seems in today's world it's all about the illusion of fairness, but when you stack two against one, it's not fair. Dave held his own regardless. Good for him!

[@ClayMationNation]

Wrong, You obviously did not delve further than the surface of the debate. Kip is a environmentalist who diets the way he does based on abstract ideation. Not health. Dr. Khan is a cardiologist who's making scientifically fact based assertions and recommendations.

[@AskBobnFran]

Great video! We are both in our 80's and are all about healthy aging. Getting older does have to mean getting sicker. We still strive for a strong body, a calm mind, & a positive outlook. Plant-based for years. Thanks!

[@elvinalauney3826]

I notice a lot of people keep on talking about Okibetonic Secrets. But Im not sure if it is good. Have you ever tried using this popular weight loss method?

[@AskBobnFran]

@@elvinalauney3826 we have no idea what that is. Neither of us has ever had a weight problem. And we have found that following a wfpb no oil diet allows us to eat as much as we want without gaining weight. As a matter of fact when we eliminated oil we lost 10 lbs ea without dieting!

[@emh8861]

Very interesting. How’s your eyesight?

[@shadestj]

Kip's expression throughout while David is talking, is priceless. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ClayMationNation]

Kip was having an environmental discussion not a dietary health discussion. He shouldn't be up there.

[@94nolo]

He definitely made some grimacing faces while getting intellectually bodied.

[@46thandBliss]

"Well I'll definitely keep it a lot shorter than that" after Dave.. proceeds to talk 2x as long

[@nigelbarnett351]

and his lies !!

[@muttleyinlove8648]

@@ClayMationNation Kip is an activist, not a nutritionist! But he has that "super cool" man-bun going for him, so the kids love him.

[@valnaples]

All I know is that at age 60, I have NO plaque burden from my CIMT test (carotid artery) done 6 years ago...and I feel like I'm 20...ALL Plants. just saying.

[@respectfulliving1]

Eat more beans dude. Look at Nimai Delgado - dude is huge and has never eaten meat.

[@valnaples]

ALL PLANTS have protein....there are MANY plant-strong athletes out there and their numbers are growing...Robert Cheeke.... Torrey Washington...google it...!

[@purpleblueunicorn]

Muscle retention is caused by training. Use it or lose it. No amount of protein will counter that.

[@tombryan1]

Then why are you fat?

[@easypeasy1216]

I'm 61, mostly carnivore, and also scored zero/excellent on my coronary artery calcium scan. Our ancestors went for months on end without fruit or veg. They were carnivore

[@bournejason66]

Dave in his blog stated that he takes 100+ pills EVERY Day. How can his diet be optimum if he still needs to take that many of pills?

[@whocaresaboutmyusername22]

Bourne Jason because he sells supplements.

[@VegaChastain]

Bulletproof but not pill proof... lololol what a joker

[@tranquil87]

That does make the elitism claim just that much stronger then.

[@mastermind0981]

Damn, me taking about 18, thought I was exaggerating.

[@1funkyou2]

@TheSophist2007 that is called pseudoscience - this guy is just making money of selling snake oil to people. this is why he targets easy to impress people with terms like "bulletproof diet" - he acts like a fool in this discussion where he is actually matched up with an actual scientist, instead of his usual sheep audience who he can sell his overpriced snake oil supplements. this guy has absolutely no idea what he is doing, IF he was really into helping people he would study medicine or nutrition instead of running around and selling his books he wrote based on his pseudoscience. i like how dr. kahn takes apart his ground beef is good and healthy lies. but how could he change his view now, he would need to take all his books of the market, so he rather sticks to living a lie, promoting coconut oil, IQ increasing coffee and ground fed meat (of course this would be also possible to feed the entire world based of this concept).

[@blo_]

Surprised no one told Dave Asprey that not every vegan diet is healthy, he said he tried being vegetarian and raw vegan which is not the recommended diets, it's called Whole food plant based diet which is the healthiest diet out there.

[@rangeslider]

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

[@UltimaOn]

I eat whole food plant based with 0 proccessed food, it made me sick and fat. First 8 months i feelt great but than it just went downhill.

[@someguy2135]

@ UltimaOn It sounds like you were on a 100 per cent coconut diet. Seriously, if you aren't a troll, you need to research what makes a balanced whole food plant based diet. Not just any food which fits the definition.

[@UltimaOn]

nope it was around 5-10% fat mainly from avocados and some nuts. Tons of leafy greens, rice, beans and lentils and all kinds of vegtables and mushroms. Edit:oh yea i frogot, also tons of different fruit. All while suplementing with algae omega 3s and taking b12 suplements and vegan suplement pill with all vitamins i am suposed to have.

[@someguy2135]

All I can say, (based on my own experience and my research regarding others who eat as you describe) is that you are the exception to the rule. Did you minimize added oils? Sugar? Vegans have the lowest BMI of any dietary group, including junk food vegans and wfpb vegans averaged together.

[@respectfulliving1]

So true NutritionFacts .org is a great place for information!

[@valnaples]

I've been "going there" since 2009 ... AMAZING resource! Love that Dr. Greger...total humanitarian!

[@justincarrubba759]

Yes! All the information is evidence based

[@allenmiller2071]

Its a great place if your a vegan. I prefer Dr. Axe for a more balanced view.

[@justincarrubba759]

Allen Miller Dr. Gregor doesn’t really associate himself with veganism. He promotes a whole foods, plant-based diet because that’s what evidence suggests is the healthiest diet. The doctor in this video says “if the evidence suggested that meat had beneficial affects i would recommend that diet to my patients”, and Gregor is similar. To many of these plant-based doctors it kinda just so happens that a plant based diet is also vegan, but they do it for the health not necessarily ethics :)

[@tosifaliyev3554]

And "Dr" Axe is a quack. He is not even a doctor.

[@danieloscar8140]

i was overweight once upon a time, tried lots of diets, slimming pills and teas, none of them worked, fortunately someone actually recommended agoge diet to me, never been happy with my weight loss journey

[@divinusluciferase3892]

Been a Dave Asprey fan since Bulletproof exploded into the scene - got all his books, supplements & of course that blessed coffee. In-between I've been vegan, raw, vegetarian, toyed with paleo & every cutting-edge diet out there I could afford, partly to satisfy my curiosity, but most important of all, to find what would make me in my optimum best. Always, ALWAYS...I return to the Bulletproof philosophy. I'm bipolar, by the way - the diet, coffee, oils & grass-fed beef all helped lessen the devastating symptoms I endured my entire life. I'm now off pharmaceutical meds for two years, using only a combination of nootropics I myself experimented with. Dave's gift - to me- is the courage to 'hack' one's own biology with tools & knowledge available to me, to step out of conventional treatment & resignation that one is doomed, to do my own painstaking research, follow the crumbs of wisdom of every discovery out there. I had nothing to lose but everything to gain. Dave's arrogant? far from it. Dude's quite spiritual without being woo-woo. I learned to practice gratitude, thanks to him. So stop being butt-hurt for once & actually listen. Stop demonising his success & enriching himself for helping people - he should. All who do good & contribute to society in a disruptive & massive way should get rich, wealthy, happy & successful so they can continue to do what they're doing, & for the rest of us to benefit on their work.

[@sunshinestate1306]

I’m beginning to think many disease are bacteria and virus related? Any chance you could have Lyme disease?

[@dreamervanroom]

Thank you for observing and sharing.

[@JW-rw8fq]

Dave Asprey said something very important...know your own body. Pay attention to how you feel after you eat something. He also said, fill your plate with vegetables first! 2 sensible take aways.

[@ezouras]

Kip Anderson said something really important... not everything is about you

[@timnelson3431]

Is this a snarky reply? What if you’re allergic to the foods that make the world better? Eat it because you feel it’s the morally superior thing to do? What is wrong with internet people

[@B_Bodziak]

@@timnelson3431 Did you read the comment?

[@lindamacfarlane6817]

I had horrible digestion problems most my life. Was vegetarian/vegan for 10 years. Going carnivore saved my life! I can finally shit without any pain that made me faint almost every time when vegetarian. Give me meat! I am 75 and feel 20. Have more energy than most 25 to 35. I've been Lyon diet for 3 years. Starting to add egg yolks and some hard cheese now.

[@SQLUniversity]

I love Joel Kahn's input as a doctor. He bases everything on scientific data and I trust his wisdom. He is also a very good public speaker. Very informative, yet down to Earth.

[@huntsman528]

He likes to claim that, but watch the Rogan debate. It's pretty weak science and it's all really old and selective.

[@harvindersinghubhi9063]

@@huntsman528 any glaring examples of the weak and selective science?

[@lindamacfarlane6817]

I thought he was pretty arrogant, smug, and kept interrupting. Science is not the fool proof, proof of anything.

[@balderdashery1]

I wish Kip would have had an opportunity to address how 90% of GM soy is grown to feed animals. Non GM soy is made into tofu for human consumption and requires very little land compared with what you would need to get the same number of calories from animal products. Not to mention water use.

[@Raven.13]

balderdashery G Agreed!

[@PaDutchRunner]

I love tofu, soy milk etc! Delicious and good for you!

[@DonJuanRicoSuave]

balderdashery G didn't he eventually mention that? I thought he corrected Dave at one moment to slide that in.

[@balderdashery1]

mentioned but not fully given the attention it deserved IMO

[@lesliegibbons1364]

Don’t count on the soy for human consumption being non GMO...almost all corn and soy IS GMO today and just count on your information being lies! Dangers of eating meat=BS!!

[@LetsDoBetterNow]

Such a good talk. Thank you for hosting the discussions :)

[@peterd5901]

I am surprised to see the outlash towards Dave here. Really I thought he came across very well, spoke eloquently, and was trying to find common ground. Kip was very poorly spoken (too upset), knew almost nothing about what he was talking about, and took a shot at Dave every chance he could. He definitely doesn't understand farming. I highly recommend Michael Pollan's books if you want to understand farming, vegetables, and meat. Joel and Dave are friends and have done podcasts together before. They actually live their entire lives in the domain of human health, are well researched, and very professional. Also Kip's idea that we have to consider others first when we personally feel sick is really a toxic idea. To me, it seems important to be healthy and happy, because then the entire world benefits. Your joy spreads far and wide! This is the entire idea behind health and wellness. It seems to me that so much of our problems come from the fact that we are mentally and physically unhealthy, and we can't possibly be a positive influence on the world when we live this way. We are grumpy, miserable, and unwell, and it shows in our speech and actions. The analogy is thus, if you have two broken feet, you can't help push someone in a wheelchair. If your feet heal, now you can push people in wheelchairs all day long! You can be MORE altruistic, and benefit the world much more greatly if you are healthy. I could add so much more, because Kip was really out of line a few times here, but I just wanted to give some defense of Dave here because I think it's totally unjust.

[@yogawithg]

I'm totally with you here. I don't understand why there is so much backlash at Dave here either. You could see the anger building up in Kip as he kept trying to bite his tongue here and wait his turn to pounce on and belittle Dave. Not cool. I have respect for Joel and Dave here. Why can't they all 3 talk, share their ideas and not jump on or belittle each other?

[@samuelaubrey2612]

vegans hate anyone who don't agree with them, look at the athletes from game changers all going back to animal products because their bodies started falling apart

[@fredafredano9166]

Omg listening to this makes me realize most Asprey assertions are urban legend not bAcked by science or even common sense

[@synergyrevolution2332]

You know what's cool about drop test videos? They test the assertions of a company selling a device. They don't look at research, they don't try to analyze things, they test it. If the research says "can withstand a 10 foot drop" but then you actually drop it from only 5 feet and it breaks, do you still believe the research? Why don't you test these "urban legend not bAcked by science or even common sense" assertions?

[@2dodger2]

Not true

[@KP-dd2ci]

Putting Asprey on the same panel as Dr. Kahn is like putting a YMCA rec leaguer with Lebron at a basketball coaching camp.

[@synergyrevolution2332]

Give Kahn a little credit, he's at least a Kevin Durant.

[@FuzzFace80]

Yep. Zero science as usual with these morons. The dude is just trying to make money from selling books.

[@IntuitiveCoachTheresa]

Gotta say, of the three, Dave looks the biggest weight wise. Plant based diets just promote less inflammation and aging. Also, at 58 Dr. Kahn looks amazing.

[@synergyrevolution2332]

So you're saying skinny is healthy?

[@jRising]

Skinny or muscular isn't a good indicator of health.

[@StillTrustNo1]

Generally speaking skinny is more healthy than the alternative. But then again it depends on how you define skinny. These days the US average is so fat that everybody of normal health looks skinny.

[@123ofd]

Vegan Parent OMG! I thought D.A. was my age - in his mid to late 50s. He looks much older than his biological age. Not a good walking billboard. Just Wow.

[@StillTrustNo1]

Or maybe he is a good walking billboard of the truth that a paleo diet increases overall mortality.

[@virtuosa69]

58 year old Dr. Joel Kahn looks younger than 44 year old Dave Asprey. Imagine what Dave will look like at 58...

[@123ofd]

virtuosa69 I totally agree! Shocking how old Dave looks.

[@cynicalidealist11]

Damn he's 58? Looks much younger.

[@skiaddict08]

@@jonathanblacksmith Look at him now, looks like he's had chemo and radiation, maybe they're apart of his smart-drug plan.

[@benholland1331]

virtuosa69 wether you like asprey or not, you need your eyes checked, 😂😂

[@saturndj788]

Dr Eric berg is convincing on keto, he looks soo good in his mid 50’s now 🤷‍♀️

[@timlawrencefit]

Dave Asprey looks like a young Kevin Spacey with Ali-G glasses on.

[@jdaskas]

Except he’s not a pedophile

[@zaluq]

its blue blockers

[@BB-vq6cb]

Tell Trevor I said hey and good luck in the NFL.

[@gmc22340]

Thank You, Google Talks, for this outstanding podcast allowing the Public exposure to a variety of opinions, backgrounds & knowledge from some of the Nation's leading influences in Nutrition & Fitness so they might make more informed decisions. Respectfully, Gerry Coffey, World Congress Presenter in Nutrition & Fitness FMR. Deputy Director, M.O.W.W. Youth Leadership Conferences

[@nancytromblee5043]

Thanks for a stimulating discussion everyone! Lots to digest (pun intended). Seriously, as a fairly healthy senior with heart and cancer background, I will explore how I can be even healthier and live longer.

[@Amourd08]

Kip and Dr. Kahn's facial expressions when Dave is talking 😩😭

[@rawlr9066]

Yes that was so entertaining.

[@SavoyPrimeable]

Yeah... nothing says entertaining like vegans dismissing differing viewpoints.

[@rawlr9066]

@@SavoyPrimeable I went to Tibet. Buy my coffee.

[@SavoyPrimeable]

@@rawlr9066 Kip mentioned his documentaries way more than bulletproof was mentioned. What are you even talking about?

[@tommyfreudenthal8084]

Triggered af.

[@0xstev3]

Woah this butter in the coffee diet allows you to focus forever and gain muscle really easy! especially when you're on steroids and speed at the same time

[@randomguy-26]

Steven Steve BEST DIET EVER!!

[@alexandria5758]

A bit rhetorical. He wasn’t on speed he was on modafinil. Also I remember him claiming to have stopped using modafinil regularly

[@dreamervanroom]

I think you are being sarcastic. It glows toxic orange.

[@Chrissiela]

Appreciate the doctor's input and manner here. I think that was what was actually intended by the organizers.

[@twelvedozen5075]

Excellent discussion!

[@jamesedward550]

I'd like to see Dr. Jason Fung and Dr. Steven Gundry on this panel.

[@omadoutlaw4868]

It would definitely be much more balanced.🤠

[@hfernandez01]

Dr Gundry only wants you to buy his products....not credible

[@JoshuaRoevear]

Dave Asprey, the only guy in human history who can workout six days a week, eat a 1800 calorie, vegan diet, and still get "fatter and more tired" Despite seeing no gains, he was still able to "bench press all his friends" Genius!

[@capri2673]

I can't take Dave Asprey seriously. He never looks that healthy.

[@GoVeganForTheAnimal]

Dave Asprey, the narccisist who makes stuff up to profit and stroke his ego at the expense of animals like cows chickens pigs sheep fish etc

[@JoshuaRoevear]

@@GoVeganForTheAnimal you're telling me! It's even more ridiculous when people accuse plant-based doctors of trying to profit off their advice as if there was mad money to make off telling be to eat brocolli.

[@catherinemurray3743]

very well done ,no arguing Love it !!! This was amazing !!!

[@yogiyoda]

Joel Kahn is really knowledgeable.

[@Soccasteve]

Dr Kahn is a fucking juggernaut of all things related to health and nutrition. The way he speaks really shows his mastery of the subject. I could listen to him all day.

[@nikocasual5126]

I don't think so. He's a douche.

[@MC____]

@@nikocasual5126 yep typical annoying dogmatic vegan know it all but Kip far worse

[@cameronmckechnie7131]

@@MC____ Typical emotional non-vegan who doesn't like someone bc he doesn't say what he wants to hear

[@MC____]

@@cameronmckechnie7131 no-one in this world gets triggered as easily as a vegan . I would too if I was starving myself of DHA and fat soluble vitamins . Go away I'm not interested in debating vegans . It's a futile and unfortunately the only time they wake up is when they destroy their health . I've been there so I understand .

[@Conceptsexplainedsimply]

I think the fact that Kip kept taking this dramatic and huge body gestured breaths anytime Dave spoke speaks volumes of how outclassed he is. Joel and Dave spend a lot of time discussing the benefits of clean, organic, and grass-fed wherever you can foods, while Kip was just here to add his findings from his documentaries. Great that he made those, because it showcases that people need to choose high quality foods for a litany of reasons, but man does he not have enough knowledge and understanding to play ball at the level at which Dave and Joel are on. Remember anytime you take on a new dietary habit... Choose quality > quantity. Caloric restriction over time HAS been shown to extend life in humans. Test Test Test and don't just fall into the trap diets have of how you feel the first few weeks. Give it time to settle in and see what your biology actually does. Don't be scared to get tested for blood work if you can. Remember that you need to find something that works for YOU. Then you can curtail your choices for the planet and other factors as well. Seasonal veggies > all year veggies. Local where possible. Avoid processed at all costs. You'll be okay. Full disclosure: I follow bulletproof and Keto and it feels great. I do NOT plan to follow Keto once I've lost my weight goals, however I will vacillate in and out of it as I see fit to maintain the metabolic flexibility to burn fats or carbs

[@rorowwa1]

@@raysonracette3233 true

[@SO-om2yy]

@@raysonracette3233 clearly, lol, he just did more damage to the reputation of Soy than if he said zip.

[@dodgeball693]

I agree Kip is more of a ‘big picture’ type of guy. He sees a diet in a more wholistic way in terms of scarce resources used to produce food and how that impacts the ability of the word human population to eat and also how we can coexist with every other living creature we share the earth with. He drills down into the research in his documentaries, so that’s why he always refers listeners to check those out. And those films are easily accessed and can we watched for free or for a nominal fee with Netflix account. Contrast that to Dave Asprey and his line of products that he’s constantly hawking. I’ll just add that whereas most people criticize a vegan diet as elitist, Dave’s whole program and ethos is the definition of elitist! So only eat organic food, only grass fed animals from local farms, and then buy his line of expensive products and you’ll be all set!

[@dodgeball693]

I did feel bad for Joel Kahn as he had to play peacemaker between the other two in this discussion!

[@Conceptsexplainedsimply]

@@dodgeball693 agreed with most of what you said. It’s sad to see how Dave and Kip are so beyond saving in their perspectives, though. They’ve both gotten so far in their ways that it makes them both unapproachable and likely will not change many more people than they’ve already reached.

[@martinlaursen7972]

Great discussion. I'll put my $20 bucks on Joel Kahn. I tried Keto for 10 days and lost 10 pounds. But I lost 20 pounds over time eating mostly vegetables.

[@top1cat01]

Good 😅for you if it worked- it didn’t work for me after 20 yrs vegan I got to become a 260 pounds vegan

[@palecompass3598]

My husband and I recently started eating a whole foods, plant-based vegan diet. We've both lost weight and feel better. At 39 and 40 years old, we're running around after our new baby (who doesn't always sleep through the night), and yet we feel great and energized. Did I mention, my husband looks amazing? I can't speak to the science these people are discussing, but eating whole, plant foods works for us. And it's easy. We're able to do it with a new baby. You just choose a legume, a grain and veggies to go with them. I make sandwiches, wraps, pasta (whole grain or spiralized veggies), soups, warm and cold salads, and get more creative when I'm able. This diet is easy, delicious, easy to clean up after, beautiful and affective. Plus, we're not harming animals or the environment. And our baby loves veggies and fruit. This is giving her and her microbiome a great start in life. There are so many resources out there. Just look around and you'll find great info and recipes. Take care of yourself!

[@Dhspat]

Awesome video. Thank you.

[@KP-dd2ci]

Dave Asprey....oy vey...a guy who hasn't even taken a single undergrad biology course is being taken seriously, and even at the table with real doctors...that's the problem with social media and marketing...appeal to the lowest common denominator, so that must be the truth. Again, how the heck this Dave Asprey get into the conversation????

[@tonycollyweston]

well said, totally agree

[@wymasa1]

It wasn't a fair fight to have, first of all, two vegans, and one a doctor at that, debating with whoever this guy is. There are many doctors and other scientists out there that would have had more real science to back up their claims, and make it a more enjoyable debate. Asprey is a douche. And really not even taken seriously in serious ketogenic circles. I'm plant based btw.

[@123ofd]

Agree. He's the Kardashian on the panel - it's like WHY? How? WTF?

[@MrPerfume1979]

Ken Powers Congratz. Ypu just appealed to the lowest denominator. Appeal to authority. If you think only people who have an official education rather than basing it on how educated they are on issues, than you are the moron. If you do not know about insulin, IRE, TMAO, neu5Gc, glycogen, glycocalyx, LPS, lectins, oxalates etc, you should shut up, bcs you will not know who won the debate, just cirkeljerking. And who won; none of them. They are idiots, one ”hacker” and two pleading from the position of morals. The Doctor to the right if not judged by a false dichotomy but scale, he is right there at a reasonable cowardly but intelligent position. But anyone relying on studies rather than conclusions that can be drawn past the studies and that is logical conclusions, with ease you can be healthy on a diet with meats. But not by in generality; that is what conclusions morons are forced to reat on, if relying only on the avarage stats of significance of studies and not thinking of the exceptions. Just wow. The man in the middle is a god damn retard. Where did they find this moron?

[@chrislosee4152]

@@MrPerfume1979 I agree! There is much more to education than a degree. Many many tech authority's agree, look at the opinion of Elon Musk, he can be quoted to say that he could care less what degree a person has, it is much more important to note what they can and have done and what they know. Also Dave was a computer engineer which as an engineering student I have taken many science classes including biology...

[@deborahdevar3382]

Dr. Joel was so badass in this. He really knows how to pick his battles.

[@huntsman528]

Just not on the Rogan podcast...

[@jerkeys73]

I've read a bunch of these comments below. How predictable: the vegans say Dave Asprey is a con-artist with no science to back his claims because (1) he's not a doctor, (2) he sells books and products, (3) he's arrogant. Meanwhile the carnists are crying that it's unfair that Dave is pitted against 2 vegans, one being a doctor. What I liked seeing was the commonalities, regarding health at least, of these two disparate dietary choices: whole-food, mostly vegetables, healthy fats, low sugar/sweeteners. THAT, to me, is a beautiful thing. By the way, you can reference science without BEING a doctor. Remember in the video, the mention of pubmed. You don't have to be a doctor to read. You may have a linguistic/experiential advantage at first. But, once you start reading lots of studies, you become pretty well-versed and learn a ton -- enough to synthesize the data and conclusions into an argument for or against certain dietary choices (notice I didn't say FACTS, because I have read a ton of studies, and I still have a hard time drawing set conclusions about which specific diet is better for health -- vegan, keto, veg, bulletproof, paleo, etc....That's because, as Dr. Kahn mentions, we don't have a million people to eat one dietary style, and another to eat another style, in a completely controlled way. I read many contractictory studies. All of them have some holes, and it's up to the reader to be unbiased...But, we live in a world where we read studies and feed our own interests. "I'm vegan, so I'm going to quote this study and ignore that one." "I'm Keto, so I'm going to listen to this finding, and not that one..." It is a challenge to reach set conclusions, even with so many scientific articles at our fingertips -- or maybe because of it. Of course, veganism is equally about the environment and health. So, it's easy to become so passionate about helping the planet. But, isn't it POSSIBLE that awesome, compassionate, selfless choice to serve the planet better, blinds some vegans to the POSSIBILITY that eating grassfed meat isn't in and of itself horrible for health or for the planet. Rather, couldn't it be that it's the epidemic amount and kind of meat that is being eaten is the damaging factor? I am a current meat-eater who believes that 80+% of your plate (at every meal) should be above-ground vegetables, with a good portion of healthy fats (avocado, avocado oil, coconut oil, olive oil, ghee and/or butter), a small amount of protein (meat, fish, soaked/sprouted legumes or beans, eggs, etc.), and a small amount of carbs (although if I'm trying to bulk/gain muscle or am exercising a lot, I up my carbs a good deal). But, over the last few years, I have cut down my meat eating to 1x per day, and I lean toward becoming vegetarian, pescatarian, or even vegan because I am feeling strongly about taking personal steps to reduce my carbon footprint -- not because I feel that eating grassfed meat or pastured animal products in the quantities that I eat it is unhealthy. Lastly, you can be pissed at Dave Asprey for selling stuff. But, after all, Kip is selling stuff too -- movies. Dr. Kahn sells books, and has a restaurant. So, that argument is bunk. You can sell stuff -- supplements, food, facts or opinions -- and still have integrity. I don't believe Dave Asprey is touting stuff that he doesn't believe is founded, or at least has worked for him and his wife, just to make money, any more that Dr. Kahn is selling books just to make money. I believe Dave, Kip, and Dr. Kahn are all pushing what they believe to be true, based on the facts that they have each uncovered, in a world of diversity and varying proofs and angles. Dr. Kahn touched on this early in the video -- again, citing the commonalities amongst them. I think viewers should focus equally on those commonalities, rather than only divisively pointing out the differences and name calling. Let's try to gain some common ground by listening to each other openly -- to understand each other, to be unbiased. We might learn something that will benefit us all, and get better together. Peace!

[@marcinpm]

It's rare to see such well-written, thoroughly-thought, open-minded comment.

[@rosies3622]

I agree with what you say, Jeremy. I was vegetarian, and vegan at times, for over 30 years. I did it not for health, but because I did not want to harm animals. However, I got extremely ill. Not from my diet but stress, and thought long and hard about introducing some meat back into my diet as bone broths were suggested to help my gut and body recover. I did this. It helped. I then very radically decided to try a ketogenic diet and found this made me very ill as it affected my thyroid - rT3 went very high. I now eat moderate carbs; back to eating lentils, rice; not wheat. I do not do well on dairy; and some meat in the week with bone broth making soups. Eggs. I believe in organically raised animals. And, I am aware how privileged I am to be able to eat the foods I do. As I wrote in the comments earlier there was absolutely no mention of nutritional deficiencies in a vegan diet which it is without supplements. Also, no mention of how low carb and ketogenic diets can affect some people very badly as they did me. I believe humans are omnivores and some people can do really well as vegetarians - Most of the population of Southern India eats this way. And, yes, some thrive as carnivores - as the Massi in Kenya do. As an aside, there was no mention of how cattle are kept on ranches in areas that are way too barren for crops in Australia; as I assume so in the US; and sheep and goats are grazed in hilly areas where again no crops can grow. Absolutely, if the whole world’s population wanted to eat meat this would be a disaster for the planet; but to mention that all animal farming is bad for the planet is so wrong.

[@1funkyou2]

@@rosies3622 So wrong? 100% of animal farming is bad for the planet. That is all, there is no 0.1% good animal product. You are not privileged, you are just lying to yourself - the "organically raised animals" do NOT exist. Being vegan or vegetarian does not mean you are living healthy either. You can be vegan and eat only Oreos and drink Coca Cola and do zero exercise. You probably got sick, because your diet was not healthy and / or you did not exercise enough.

[@rosies3622]

1funkyou2 My diet as a vegetarian was healthy as I stated. It took a lot for me to decide to start eating any meat or fish again after decades of not. I realise you are fixed in your views. I believe different people do well on different diets. And any meat I eat does come from a farm I know organically raises its animals.

[@idealhelse1753]

Really like Dr. Joel Kahn`s way of bridging the gap here between their opinioins. If more people did that, the world would be a better place!

[@samp.a.3445]

Expected more from Google on this topic. Dude in center is a real nutjob. The other two brought "some" value.

[@jordanjackson7171]

I LOVE THIS FORMAT!!

[@estherwiskel6550]

Learned “MUCHO!’ I applaud all three guest, gleaned the best overall solution. from all three points of view.👏👏👏BRAVO👍

[@GoVeganForTheAnimal]

Did you decide to become vegan and stop supporting animal abuse?

[@izzytinker]

This was great, loved hearing both sides together. It would have been nice if there was a doctor on the other side too - "paleo" based diet approach. Or at least a second speaker to balance things. Felt a little bit like two against one although Dr Joel Kahn was great at depolarizing the conversation.

[@lisamartin4858]

YES...had that same feeling...like it was set up for Dave to be thumped. Dave held his own, though.

[@timnelson3431]

Kips arguments were based on his documentaries rather than literature he researched. He spoke of doctors he interviewed as his sources. He came across as anecdotal. Dave and Joel spoke of research and were able to bring up a solid argument against each other. Basically Kip is apparently just a guy who interviews people like Dave and Joel to find stuff out.

[@94nolo]

Yeah that seems about right.

[@Suds_Mc_Duff]

couldn't agree more. he was on the offensive immediately

[@dodgeball693]

Kip did his research for his documentaries, so why not just point people there? There is also a very good fact sheet for all the relevant points and the sources used to get them.

[@josh34578]

The guy in the middle is really frustrated by the guy on the left.

[@laurencupples1455]

LOL. They are both frustrated with each other, and the Doctor is super chill.

[@slightlygruff]

He's frustrated with bullet proof coffee fraud

[@jambbeck7053]

And the guy in the middle is really rude and closed minded about accepting any ideas other than his own. He comments are all based on "what I learned when making the movie."

[@laurencupples1455]

Yeah, it's not necessarily his fault, but he annoys me more than the bullet guy. They're probably both full of it. Based on personality alone, I'd hang out with the doctor, MAYBE bullet guy, definitely not movie man.

[@randomguy-26]

To him, its like listening to someone talk about how the earth is flat...

[@trishmarck7798]

if Im not mistaken collagen doesnt make collagen......I thought that process was done by amino acids....please enlighten me if Im wrong

[@GBOAC]

This talk should be used as an example to students to learn how to spot pseudo-scientists in a group of scientists.

[@dixiesmith56]

I appreciate Dave actively listening to Kip and Dr. Kahn. They unfortunately do not return the courtesy. It is hard to respect those who do not respect others.

[@lisx9688]

Veganism is a cult. They are very aggressive and delusional

[@FastdounutTV]

Yea listen to the guy who "bio hacks" 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@ClayMationNation]

Wrong Dr. Kahn was the best diplomat of the bunch, re-listen to this he was trying to find common ground.

[@top1cat01]

Nobody really knows jack all the studies are antidotal simply and association and I don’t believe it’s really one side of another you need to do all the above- I really don’t believe the vegan thing really works that well, I’d say vegan with just a little bit of animal is the best.. however be extremely careful eating those plants lectins are real and very inflammatory for many of us

[@ideoformsun5806]

Interesting discussion! I think the question of The ideal diet with regard to health, would actually be different speakers. This is kind of comparing apples to oranges. Dave is trying to maximize mental performance, and longevity while healing from mold toxins and ADD. The question of the ideal diet with regard to ethics, and/or the environment, is another issue. The goals are different. The ethical diet can be a very unhealthy diet. You can eliminate eating animal products while still eating mostly junk food. I think all diets need to eliminate artificial preservatives, artificial sweeteners, artificial colorings, pesticide residues, toxic mold inhibitors, antibiotics which are all toxic to some degree, added hormones, added neurotransmitters, added medications, and DNA that causes rapid weight gain. There is a difference between what seems to be necessary for healing and what seems to be necessary for ethics. Two of these panelists were apparently never sick, just looking for a good cause when they chose their diets, and the Doctors goal is primarily health, with avoidance of lifestyle caused illness, not particularly longevity. Dr. Kevin Kelley used an algorithm that looked at various aspects of metabolism to determine the best diet for each sick individual who came to him, based on the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system activation. Well people may need to adjust their diets under different circumstances. I think this is the future. Not one diet for everyone. I am hopeful that there might be a way to do all this without causing sentient beings unnecessary suffering, and helping the natural world, while also maximizing wellness and security for human animals.

[@dreamervanroom]

Thank you Sun. I appreciate the way you sum this. I'd love to talk more. I looked it up and the metabolicinstitute sight says. "...you learn more of this science from our website, you will begin to understand the 12 basic metabolic types and where you may currently be on Dr. Kelley’s Metabolic SPIRAL OF HEALTH. But to learn your type the book is out of print ($154/Amazon) here's the PDF or HTML. mvtowng.bloggersdelight.dk/2018/01/18/the-metabolic-typing-diet-pdf/

[@michaelcallahan4180]

As a vegan I appreciated the mostly agreeable demeanor of Dave Asprey. Vegans need to remember "veganism" is an ideology/philosophy not a diet. Its not synonymous with a "whole-food plant based" diet. So Dave probably has collected some good info (just check sources)... nuance guys...nuance

[@ClayMationNation]

But Joel Khan is trying to make you aware of the fact there is such a thing as a junk food vegan diet and that there is science proving that there's such a thing as a healthy vegan diet that can change your future health outcome.

[@mikaelruskie3023]

Why is Dave Asprey not slim and kinny ? he looks high on pot or other drugs ; look at his face ! his B.S. coffee is not working .....He's looks 10 years older than his age...Dave Asprey has aged so poorly...on his high fat meat diet ! Not trying to be mean, just pointing out that a diet low in antioxidants and fiber doesn't help you age well. This man is a narcissist with a big ego and does it with a smile ...If anyone mentions anything on Dave Asprey podcast, he talks about himself and how he use to be fat. He has many boring guests, people that obviously paid to be on bulletproof podcast (Yes you pay 20k to be on it). Or he talks about new gadgets that are a waste of money, saying he uses them everyday in his routine ... which is obviously a lie.He keeps on talking about 40 years of Zen, but you can see it doesn't work! Because if it did, Dave wouldn't be so full of himself. This is not the biohacking movement anymore coming from him. It's just a sales pitch. The books Dave Asprey writes is filled with dubious claims based on little evidence or " cherry picked studies" that are "taken out of context". The author, Dave Asprey, vilifies healthy foods and suggests part of the way to achieve a "pound a day" weight loss is to buy his expensive, "science-based" Bulletproof products.Almost every fad diet-book starts with a compelling personal narrative.a..Dave asprey always says "The best way to lose weight is by buying my special products!" In Asprey's food categorizations, many of the items that rank as most healthy are his own branded products: Bulletproof Brain Octane, Bulletproof Chocolate Powder, Bulletproof Ghee, Bulletproof Whey, et cetera. Alarm bells should go off any time someone claims that you should buy their expensive products for your diet. Especially when the products come with miracle promises, like Asprey's Unfair Advantage, which he suggests will help your body grow new mitochondria (the energy powerhouses of the cells). There's BULLSHIT EVERYWHERE all around us! The best skill you can learn is to filter the good from the bad, and never buy into anything all the way. That holds true for internet gurus and mainstream medicine alike. 1--->As soon as someone says he would live to 180 years old, red flag is flying in my mind..This man is a professional con-artist sales man. 2- -->If fat is so good for testosterone why does Asprey injection testosterone ?.------>debunked ! 3-----> Meat has "prions" google prions !....milk has prions and leukemia viruses .-->Leukemia Virus in Milk Infectious The majority of U.S. dairy herds are infected with a cancer-causing virus and prions . heat cannot kill prions or virus . nutritionfacts.org/video/is-bovine-leukemia-virus-in-milk-infectious/ -

[@guidedmisselsn1not]

excellent discussion and strong non-verbals.......wow!

[@jw8635]

As a person doing keto diet, this talk really helps to see many other prospects in both diets. Thank yoy.

[@cynicalidealist11]

"Bulletproof" - Too bad it's not heart disease proof.

[@johnnyroe8053]

neither is it bullet proof

[@someguy2135]

Or cancer proof. I think Dr. Dave shot holes in his diet.

[@adambaker1287]

High fat diets do not cause heart disease. Do your research before making stupid comments. Thank you.

[@1funkyou2]

@@johnnyroe8053 it is just a sensationalist way to sell his books. people are afraid to change their diets by taking out the animal products, that is what these pseudoscientists rely on - they give them what they think they want to hear. at the same time he can promote all his "superfoods", super "IQ improving" coffee and and of course "cheap" supplements which you all need if you eat meat instead of a natural plant based diet. i like how google put this guy on a panel together with dr. kahn who is obviously a real scientist.

[@Deemac1236]

1funkyou2 *billshit!!! excuse the pun

[@martashea159]

Love Dave Asprey, and Dr Joel Kahn! I'm not to thrilled with Kip Andersen's attitude. It seems to me he has a Mother Earth type agenda.

[@skiaddict08]

this need 100x more views.

[@SQLUniversity]

This is such a great video! Kudos! I respect all three of these men, but you just have to love Kip! In his documentaries he is so brave, asking the questions that need to be asked, he is fearless.

[@jyotipethe]

Dave Asprey weighed 300 pounds. I doubt if the other two have ever been obese. That makes a huge difference.

[@cougarbrenneman3045]

After personally successfully moving from obese to overweight, I agree. It's a big deal to do so. It means a lot about managing your diet.

[@kindregardskatie]

This Asprey guy is so full of it 🤣 nothing he said has real basis, Kip & Joel are so patient here, very well said.

[@garimaheath]

I think that Dave is a very kind and good human being. I think he has been through quite an ordeal with his own health and I am glad he shares with the world how he climbed out of that hole. Thank you Dave.

[@tranquil87]

If Dave was a very kind and good human being he wouldn't be slaughtering animals for no reason and peddling pointless nutritional supplements and other gimmicks. He's a snakeoil salesman. Even gullible people like Joe Rogan are aware of this now.

[@thenewapollo]

Kip is the most aggressive/religious of the 3. The older 2 are more open minded and experienced.

[@valken666]

Etienne-Emile Antikatastaseis - You might not believe it, but he says he tried veganism and lives with less pain eating meat. So you think he's lying.

[@cbrown4944]

Valken Dave said that he did raw vegan diet....you can't just eat plants, you need to eat legumes, legumes, legumes and whole grains & nuts seeds to have a balance diet and get all your necessary minerals and vits. If you don't you will have problems, which is why some vegans run into problems, they are not eating the whole shebang!!! If you eat right & balance, you do not need to kill any animals!!!!

[@weardulo]

You should try to get Arthur DeVany in for a talk. I have found his work and research really interesting and he can go much deeper on the topic of nutrition. :) Marin

[@LeadNarrator]

I'm a plant based guy, and I gotta say that Kip Andersen was slightly mistaken in one thing. We can't get EVERYTHING we need from plants. There is one thing that is imperative to a person's long term survival and heart health. Vitamin B12. You can get it easier from meat, or meat related products, but the plant world doesn't have a source... at least not one that I have found in the 9 years or so that I've been looking. I need fortified cereal or a supplement for it. Everyone does, if they don't eat meat. So... i hope he updates his knowledge a little bit. You would be surprised how many vegans don't know about that. You would also be surprised how many vegans still drink coca cola or pepsi because it's also vegan.

[@d.b427]

B12 is present in the natural soil. So before we started to meticulously rinse our vegetables, and before soil became ridden with pesticides, you could get b12 from vegetables.

[@dodgeball693]

You are correct that B12 is the nutrient lacking in an exclusive whole plant diet. But it is easily supplemented from fortified foods and/or a B12 supplement. I think most of made from algae. You can get it from animal products but since food is a package deal, you get all the bad stuff too. So why not just take a safe effective supplement along with a whole plant food diet?

[@littleblueplanet6x]

B12 has all the hype because without it you end up demented or dead but there are about 7 other micronutrients for brain and muscle function not found in plants and vegan versions of those would be chemically made.

[@a.m7554]

Dr. Joel Kahn is amazing. His way of conveying medical studies that are very reputable is great. I liked how he mentioned bias between people in certain lifestyles. There obviously will be bias but keeping open ears is quite important. Andersen and Asprey went back and fourth very often but it created some great discussions somewhat....

[@FANNIX-]

Dr Joel Kahn be saving this whole talk again and again haha

[@t-bone517]

Con man ridiculous

[@GoVeganForTheAnimal]

Spitting straight facts every time, supporting animal abuse is not necessary to thrive

[@GS-rw9og]

FINALLY,,, LOVED THE OLIVE BRANCH BETWEEN KIP AND DAVE, THUMBS UP FOR ALL 3

[@themaverickhistorian6257]

Lots of emotional people out in full force in the comments section using ad hominem attacks instead of contributing anything helpful. What a surprise! Bottom line: Try out the different diets, track your biomarkers, and see what results in the best results for you. I have tried a wide array of diets, including vegetarianism, but a high-fat ketogenic diet with plenty of vegetables, as Dave Asprey recommends, gave me the best results not only in my biomarkers but my quality of life.

[@cactusjack9877]

I was vegan for almost 2 decades... and was psychotic at the end of it. I wish they would talk about brain health and how to get proper amino acids

[@astridjansen7214]

Well a vegan could have been dining with chips and cookies could be there's your problem? Maybe look closer into a Whole food plant based diet with low omega 6 fats.

[@rahabosornotorroella3755]

It is wonderful to listen to smart people. I feel so grateful for being able to spot the wise : Dave

[@ceeemm1901]

A few people once said that about Jim Jones too, haha.

[@acbikeatgmaildotcom]

@@ceeemm1901 They were wrong.

[@GoVeganForTheAnimal]

Dave is an animal abuser and inspires others to abuse animals, is it wise to destroy our planet and the individuals who live here?

[@aiLoveE]

the problem with elimination is that u will still eat many other foods which may not work for u at any given moment of your trial.... so u may have to elininate to the max in order to get a clearer picture ...

[@hupnvs1396]

The vegan guy always looked at Dave for approval, Dave communicated with the public instead

[@mm1979dk]

49:00 how do I join a community who is going to live past 180?

[@darkdragonite1419]

The issue I think people have with meat is when it's eaten with carbs. Carbs increase the oxidizing of lipoproteins

[@YaBetterCallBabu07]

Wish it was a fair debate. 2 vegans vs 1 keto guy. Before any vegans attack me, I’m not taking any side. Unsure if veganism or keto is better, but a great debate would be Dr. Berg/Hyman and Thomas DeLauer vs Dr. Gregor/Kahn and Kip. That would be something to watch. I doubt itll ever happen live in front of an audience though.

[@patriciavandenberg-smith2832]

Absolutely agree - bias debate

[@mefilmmaking]

For a google ‘talk’ on a google platform, the mics are surprisingly low/janky

[@TassenLove]

"We are animals therefore we should eat animals" Dude... That's not how biology works AT ALL. Ever heard of herbivores? What do you think the cows eat, aren't they animals?

[@y3ldarb2]

+Rob McClendon Read the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics' 2016 position on vegetarian and vegan diets -- they're the United States' largest organization of credentialed nutrition and diet professionals. (en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Academy_of_Nutrition_and_Dietetics) _"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.[...]Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity."_ ncbi.nlm.nih .gov/pubmed/27886704 And yes, it does say *"appropriately planned".* This does not mean we are not meant to be herbivores, but simply you must learn how to eat properly, (as we all do with a standard diet when we are brought up from childhood).

[@TassenLove]

Rob McClendon I did not mean to say that humans are biological herbivores, sorry for being unclear. I just pointed out that this statement was not logical since cows are also "made out of animals" although they can sustain themselves perfectly on plants. You can't draw the conclusion that we should eat flesh only because we are made out of flesh.

[@rafaelggp45]

Yeah, cows, horses, rabbits, all of them sustain themselves on plants. Now, have you seen any of those herbivores animals getting on the top of evolution? Are they the ones who got smart enough to make rockets? Are they they the ones who got smart enough to make houses and protect themselves from predators? The thing is that humans are omnivores for evolutionary reasons not "just because of it.." or not "just because of its taste" and if, in the case, that now we can collect all the stuff to maintain ourselves without needing meat, is just because we got smart enough for doing so by being omnivores in the first place.

[@MrMusic238]

humans did anything to survive in prehistoric times but now we have science to help us thrive as we start to explore beyond nature. Just because we did something in the past doesn't mean it is effective in the present

[@vijidiane]

+The Yam Industry --- based on our evolutionary path and anatomical features believe humans are actually classified as frugivores --- as are our closest relatives

[@MikeGodetteMusic]

Great discussion and amazing moderator

[@vandanagupta5950]

pretty much good

[@george480]

I have tried both keto and currently plant-based. Pros of keto: - I have to say my muscle mass was pretty good on keto - I wanted to do a lot of anaerobic exercises - I lost good amount of weight Cons of keto: - I had to calorie count and portion control - My body started having a distinct smell - My muscles hurt a lot due to lactic acid build up - I had a slight feeling of hunger most of the time and carb cravings, so needed "cheat" days Pros of low fat Plant Based - Much bigger range of foods such as pizzas, burritos, burgers, big grain bowls with veggies, so never feel hungry - No portion control or calorie counting and still losing weight although slower than on keto - I am more active. Playing tennis 3-4 hours a day at a competitive is not a problem now - No muscle soreness even after long hours of training - No cravings for animal products Cons of Plant based: - Harder to eat out as all veggie dishes in restaurants are usually drenched in oil - Harder to eat meals with family as it feels more restrictive to them - Not much of a desire to do anaerobic exercises - If eating to much beans there is flatulence In general I feel that plant-based diet is easier to follow as keto diets really focus on peculiar things, food has to be organic and grass-fed and disease tested and oxidation-free and all that stuff otherwise it's pretty bad for you, whether with plant-based it's simple food groups veggies, fruits, legumes and grains. I supplement with B12 and vitamin D, I was supplementing with much more on keto. Also the discussion about nootropics is a difficult one, I have tried a few on both diets and they do make you think better on any diet but it comes at a cost of "brain hangover" Also from what I found knowledgable people who popularise plant-based diet are usually doctors who make their money from practice and do the research on health and nutrition in parallel. Many more keto advocates are selling their supplements, "exclusive" meal plans and health routines which you can buy only from them

[@RobertMatlock]

Nice comparison and experience, but there's a few issues I had with it that might influence your experience with both. A lot of your Keto cons aren't typical of someone properly in ketosis, or someone eating "clean" keto. Just like veganism, you can completely ruin the benefits by eating terribly. Were you checking your ketone levels? When you said ""I had a slight feeling of hunger most of the time and carb cravings, so needed "cheat" days"", that was a huge red flag of someone eating an unclean keto diet who is bouncing in and out of ketosis every few days when it only works if you go at least a couple months at a time. Body smell is usually caused by eating the unhealthy oils and/or too much dairy, the diary thing more so is my personal experience but I've seen that around a bit with others too. Also another red flag was you commenting on your muscle mass on keto, when keto if anything decreases your results in the gym because glycogen/glucose is BY FAR more effective than ketones. Besides the loss of strength gains, your muscles will also appear smaller from the loss of glycogen. Lactic acid also doesn't cause muscle pain or soreness, just a fun fact, but keto depletes lactic acid buildup quicker than you normally would anyway. For your plant based diet, only complaint I'd say is your choice in foods, specifically anything with processed grains. All of those grains, burritos, pizzas etc. are the some of the highest causes of inflammation in the body other than processed meats and bad oils. They are also high glycemic so you will feel energized for awhile, then crash, which is why a lot of "biohackers" eat their carbs at night and start the days with fats/protein. Hard spikes in blood sugar in themselves also cause inflammation, so anything more than roughly a half cup of rice or a small slice of bread and you're going to have far more negative effects than positive. I think both diets can work for most people, just make a few tweaks and you'll be golden.

[@george480]

@@RobertMatlock thanks will take your advice into account. - I haven’t been eating much dairy during keto. - Yeah, I had a cheat meal every week there was some dairy in it - Yeah, I didn’t measure my ketones. - Interesting about muscle soreness and muscle gains. I clearly saw the results, that was one of the main advantages of keto. In general after studying a dozen research papers I have seen that science favours plant based more in terms of health, so I think I’ll stick to majority plant based with maybe some fish and seafood once in a while for now. Thanks again.

[@arczero1623]

I can't get over how young Dr. Kahn looks. He looks younger than Kip or Dave. I'll have some of what he's having!

[@DivinesLegacy]

Ehh… tbh he looks his age perfectly, they look healthy but none of them look like they are 10 years younger. I would’ve guessed his age perfectly if I didn’t know.

[@moichten]

A friendly suggestion to the host; it's better to be silent than to make the "ah" noise. It makes you sound polished. It's something many speakers must work at.

[@onopuni7864]

Oh boys!!! We all could learn sooo much more if you could keep your egos in check, Blessings

[@kerrytrax9332]

i love how joel kahn is the most mature and kind of all of them

[@jeffhuett101]

literally laughing out loud at some of Kip’s reactions to this guy’s arguments. Same, Kip. Same.

[@panchovilla7580]

Kip is a massive tool bag

[@garrettbrittle1428]

Kip needs to have a lion breathing down his neck to really feel one with nature and realize he is food for many different animals and many animals are food for us. Also please tell me how your going to live off plants in anywhere besides California. Kip is only here on this plant because of humans eating animal for centuries. He is also completely advocating for factory farming again because most climates can’t grow enough variety healthy plants for people to live 100% on them.

[@garrettbrittle1428]

Oh and Kip definitely seemed to have the worst cognitive function of the 3 with Dave definitely seeming to be the sharpest mind able to recall information and remember the questions well.

[@lonelycake4114]

@Enmanuel But he looks like a douchebag?

[@arvidbehunas1524]

@Enmanuel animal products and processed food and sugar and salt are each a helluva drug. Together they feed denial and delusion. Sort of like how we teach our kids that there’s a Flying Spaghetti Monster for us all to worship and fear.

[@tigisthailu9801]

16 minutes in and hooked on this conversation. The Doc on the right is articulate & 💯 persuasive! But vegan diet is too hard a sale.

[@KennyMcC]

I watched this to see if it would help me decide between the two. 2 minutes into Kip’s opening and I’ve decided Keto is for me.

[@movewithmellisa]

Dr. Joel Kahn is awesome!!!

[@dabigisland1]

Kahn is a peacemaker and correct on his facts. Asprey although better than the SAD diet is wrong on many points.

[@Clarityandwisdom33]

I went into this interview neutral, maybe even slightly towards the Bullet Proof diet. After, I am leaning towards a plant based vegan diet. I typically think of Vegans as annoying hippies haha just being honest. But I realize that I may have judged a little too harshly. Looks like there is some good science behind it. I am commenting this now but I first watched this video a couple months ago. I have been vegetarian since then and now Vegan for a few weeks. I have never had better endurance and am loving it. My mile time went from 7:30 ish to under 6:00!!! Eye sight improved and I am supplementing with B12. Getting my protein and detoxing like crazy. Loving it and looking forward to the next months and years. I will start a KZbin vlog describing my experience if anyone is interested.

[@sandrahodges9625]

Send me your youtube link please

[@SPDATA1]

Dr Joel Kahn is a very "sharp" person; both in knowledge and opinions.The other ones are great, too,but Mr Kahn is very skilled, I think.

[@omadoutlaw4868]

Keto and fasting are less stressful on us than loading up on vegetables ,grain, and soy beans.🤠Salt is our friend and so are eggs. The human race has thrived on just about everything as long as they have given them selves a chance to rest (fasting).

[@SQLUniversity]

I love the fact that Dave Asprey has an organic farm. This should be the goal of every family on Earth. I have an organic garden (300 sq ft) but wish it could be more. I would love to see Dave's garden.

[@barb0138]

Here is what I think. You do what you body tells you. I tried Keto I felt good for about a month but never was comfortable still tired and sick. So I watched Food Choices on Netflix and Thought I would give it a try. I have no regrets I am not totally Vegan but about 95%.

[@jimcannon5730]

If you eat processed your body will tell you too eat more junkk as the food producers know more about your brain than you do. So do the funders of the Vegan Diet. Aspry gets it.

[@Janlaxle]

fantastic format!

[@saturndj788]

I really wanna see Dr Eric Berg up here!

[@BodhiSoftMobileApps]

Asprey is a salesman. He's vested in believing grass-feed beef fantasies, even if they're wrong.

[@1funkyou2]

venture capital funded bs. they would not fund him if he could not sell his snakeoils very convincingly...

[@nintendo9231889]

this should have been an 11 hour debate.

[@beverlyb6391]

I eliminated nightshade plants. I ate tomatoes most days. My joints especially knees started to hurt. I quit tomatoes, eggplant, potatoes and bell peppers. I don't remember how long it took. NO PAIN ANYMORE. Now on occasion I eat these things. I have six small potatoes calling my name in the kitchen.

[@Davidicus000]

I love the comment about “grassfed”, I just want to cut out the middle cow, that’s awesome. I am almost Vegan, and I will never go back. Most of the low carb movement is just about the strict elimination of refined carbs, which is really bad, but Vegan diet is still more sustainable and has a superior nutrient profile. Not sure why no one mentioned “hormesis” when Dave talked about naturally occurring pesticides, I think that is how blueberries have their particular beneficial effect. It is hard to believe the US Government does not understand how much bad nutritional advice harms the economy, maybe they hope it saves the Social Security system, but it might bankrupt the healthcare system in the process.

[@huntsman528]

Refined carbs and sugars are horrible for you. Even Joel agrees with that. Low carb folks cut out all the crap. Most vegans don't. Coke and sugar are vegan. All of the elitest diets push for low processed foods and tons of whole foods. Also, low carb folks DON'T need supplements to survive and not be depressed. Vegans do.

[@TheLosman818]

"There is no beef on the planet that has much in the way of nutrients..."says Kahn. Show me a plant that by weight has more nutrients than liver or that has Vit A , DHA, and K2 in their most bio-available form. Kahn is pretty careful about some of his language and seems like a pretty good guy but he is completely wrong when he says no beef on the planet has much in the way of nutrients. Grass fed beef is especially nutrient dense and outside of the macro-nutrients has plenty of B Vitamins and a good mineral profile. Vit C and Vit E are the only micro-nutrients I can think of that would be more plentiful in plants than in animals. All other micro-nutrients will be more plentiful in animal sources than plant sources and more bio-available. You can also say something is unhealthy without being hyperbolic. Eating processed meat is not as risky as smoking in terms of causing cancer. If you do not understand this then you do not understand relative risk and you probably should not be holding yourself out there as an expert on science. There is no hope for Kip but Kahn I think could be convinced to change some of his language so that he doesn't make these false statements.

[@motomatta1]

TheLosman818 👍👍👍

[@justinabajian1087]

Facts

[@t-bone517]

Completely out of touch

[@darrisnelson5223]

Dr. Joel Kahn is a working cardiologist not a hack. I’m a fit 65 year-old vegan (vegan 16 years, veg 30 years) and I choose to get my health information from doctors like Dr Kahn, Dr. Esselstyn, Dr Ornish and Dr. Greger. I stopped drinking or eating soy many years ago until I listened to Dr Kahn. I now drink a quart of soy milk a week.

[@zacpeffer-voiddreamer3178]

The best isn’t so much anecdotal description, but the science. If one “feels good” it’s not the same as being biologically good. There’s always gonna be gaps, but having listened to Asprey he tries not to leave too many gaps. So I’d personally trust his science more than other people’s anecdotes

[@GoVeganForTheAnimal]

He left tons of gaps, did we watch different videos?

[@PicassoPrime]

One interesting question I have. I eat meat and also believe on understanding how your specific body works. Bear with me for a moment. What happens if the entire population were sent to the stoneage in some apocalyptic event? Would these vegans remain vegan if they were thrown in the wild? No stores, no currency, no shelter or clothing. What would they do to make clothing and stay nutritionally sound? Just 'food' for thought and yes that pun was intended lol.

[@joelvonstorch8632]

Yeah probaly they would stay vwgan 90% of thw time and live of nuts and fruits. And sometimes might catch an animal. But look its something different eating meat if you have to to survice vs eating meat in these times, where it is easy and healthy to choose to be vegan

[@honkymonkey9568]

Yeah, and I get tired of the guilt trips for eating meat. Does he think the Neanderthals were a bunch of evil assholes.

[@tonygordon7571]

"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose"etc. "As far as is possible and practicable" is the answer to your question. So sure, if there was no alternative than to consume or use animal products that's what vegans would do. But not only they could do that, but they could do that and still call themselves vegans, according to the definition

[@dillonzado2114]

@@honkymonkey9568 no of course not they had to eat meat to survive. We don't have to now. So we're killing animals for an unnecessary reason just because we like the way they taste

[@jamesswim9035]

@@tonygordon7571 I believe in whole foods plant based diet but I agree with animal testing because who else would we test it out on humans lol

[@loveofinquiry8067]

No planet no meat, so hey I want to live, if that means giving up meat so be it😘

[@happymimi16]

59:03 great point

[@1337Shaad]

I feel many in the comments section are coming off with a feel of opinion/bias instead of fact/science. It's understandable in a field where many times, what appears as a scientific study is biased/corrupt. We just need to be smarter than that. One step to doing that is watching this video without bias to learn what we can from the dialogue of "experts" with different positions opposing one another. I like their advice about not shoving your way of diet down other people's throats... but if they ask you about what you're doing, that's an open invitation.