The Illegal Team Radio that Cost Nico Rosberg Big Time !

[@dinocharlie1]

When Horner is fighting for another team, you know it's a bad rule.

[@riquelmeone]

How is Horner "fighting for another team" here? He clearly says a penalty would be within the rules. Sure, he calls the rule rubbish, but that's not fighting for another team.

[@bil-k6h]

@@riquelmeone brother just argued against himself respect

[@TraysonMartin]

@@riquelmeone He said he thinks the rule is rubbish and that it should be changed. That's fighting for another team. However, he's also fighting for fairness to all parties (every other driver on the grid, not just his own) by saying that a penalty is within the rules (he's not saying that Nico should be given one) and that its up to the FIA to decide.

[@riquelmeone]

@@TraysonMartin calling a rule rubbish is not fighting for another team. Rules apply to all teams.

[@yurilopes420]

@@riquelmeone you have to be on the spectrum

[@BigGreenPeugeot]

This rule was mental, could have cost him the title

[@thelegend5243]

It should have done, he was an awful driver who got extremely lucky that season

[@JScott-lg4jb]

@@thelegend5243I found a cult member! What prize do I get?

[@patrickkenworthy7454]

@@thelegend5243awfully lucky, but he wasn’t a terrible driver let’s not kid ourselves

[@LunnarisLP]

​@@thelegend5243 bro Rosberg was a beast and so was hamilton. Yes he got lucky as well, but so did Hamilton in multiple of his winner years. Its F1, part of the game

[@LeJimster]

The rule was a bit whacky but it came about because of drivers like Rosberg who were getting coached on nearly every part of the lap. His engineer would be looking over Hamiltons data and feeding him every little thing, it was proper over the top. To be fair to Rosberg he was able to take all that input and often match or beat Hamilton. Not many drivers can do that.

[@mikulitsi1819]

I'm all for less driver coaching through team radio but when there's a clear problem which could lead to retiring that is when the coaching should be allowed. The rule in 2016 was a bit too strict

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

Not only a bit too strict, but (for me) also pretty useless.

[@GPitstra37]

Crofty said it best... "What do you want to see? Drivers being forced to retire from a race because they haven't read the 900 page manual notes and know exactly what to do and identify a problem with 200 mph?!"

[@thurbine2411]

I don’t think the problem is that they get to say stuff it is that they get to have so much information available at a moments notice. Most of the metrics should only be able to be seen post race and in practice

[@tadassmolskas3014]

I don't see how communicating with the team shouldn't be allowed. The driver is still the only one driving the car so what problem does it make?

[@thurbine2411]

@@tadassmolskas3014 yeah i agree but i still think they should be able to read as much telemetry in real time

[@iosulas]

But Mercedes asked for permission before the communication, got the permision accepted and then they received a penalty? wtf

[@5tuartGuy]

they got permisson to tell him to switch settings, not tell him to shift through seventh gear afterwards

[@kaoan1582]

FIA is a piece of shit!

[@sebfresh5899]

@@5tuartGuyyea and that was the most obvious thing to do he could of avoided it too😭

[@EduardoRodrigues-ev7ej]

You're a little confused my friend

[@iosulas]

@@EduardoRodrigues-ev7ej yeah that’s why I asked xd

[@man631]

2016 had two of the dumbest rules in F1 history. Elimination qualifying and this.

[@MrJohansen]

They still have elimination qualifying

[@RushRacer]

​@@MrJohansenthat's 3 phase qualifying, elimination qualifying was totally different thing

[@campbellsmith3869]

@@MrJohansen Off the top of my head, Elimination qualifying lasted 1 grand prix weekend in Australia before it got ditched

[@luuduonghy659]

@@campbellsmith3869 2, it also happen in Bahrain. After Bahrain, it was ditched.

[@sailyui]

what's elimination qualifying any LORE warlords

[@ok.-ok.]

No reason for this stupid rule. Crofty is completely right at 1:31.

[@unknownuser_1]

"Avoid 7th gear" "What does that mean, I mean I have to shift through it" "Affirm, you have to shift through it" Giving me lowkey Ferrari engineer vibes 😂😂

[@BETAsin]

they meant don't stay in 7th gear, go from 6th straight to 8th.

[@dead_redux]

@@BETAsin that's not really avoiding 7th gear then is it?

[@RoqueTHEGAMER]

@@dead_redux Thats the kind of thing you say on a hurry, they have to time to tink about the wording

[@dead_redux]

@@RoqueTHEGAMER I wasn't talking to you

[@BwoahKimi-g3l]

​@@dead_reduxyou werent Talking to anyone, you're chatting on a public youtube comment section so dont expect people to not join in

[@jcooper_]

Dumb rule. There's a monumental difference between "OK down to 4th gear for this corner, less throttle in and faster out" and "do this to avoid blowing up the car". An evolution of this rule probably could exist, but it was far too bluntly enforced in 2016

[@gregoryf9299]

Nowadays it seems it’s gotten closer to the former, lol! Personally I’m ok with it: all the teams can do it and share to the drivers, so it’s a level playing field. I think the better drivers don’t need it and the lesser drivers will be overwhelmed/not help, so don’t think it’s made too much difference over time IMHO

[@squelchedotter]

I think this type of rule is a silly solution. If they don't want engineers to feed their drivers too much data, they should limit the data and not what the engineers can say.

[@Fail84-nv7qh]

I’m not gonna lie this rule was quite rubbish. Maybe in the old times it’s more plausible but not now when there’s so many things to manage in the cockpit.

[@agruber6]

I know it happened before this race, but you mentioning him having so much to manage while driving sort of epitomizes that famous "A short view back to the past…" press conference question

[@AvelinFF]

Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki Lauda told us ‘take a monkey, place him into the cockpit and he is able to drive the car.’ Thirty years later, Sebastian told us ‘I had to start my car like a computer, it’s very complicated.’ And Nico Rosberg said that during the race - I don’t remember what race - he pressed the wrong button on the wheel. Question for you both: is Formula One driving today too complicated with twenty and more buttons on the wheel, are you too much under effort, under pressure? What are your wishes for the future concerning the technical programme during the race? Less buttons, more? Or less and more communication with your engineers?

[@generic9777]

Can you repeat the question?

[@SelwynoRKO]

Just a few weeks ago, Alonso almost collided during Practices and he literally pushed all the buttons to avoid it xD

[@mattfred.12]

F1 copypasta

[@WindedPrawn]

Telling him to reset the car "chassis default 01" and avoid 7th gear was fine in the eyes of the stewards, but telling him how to do it, i.e. "you have to shift through it" was driver coaching and too much for the stewards and the rules at the time.

[@MrJohansen]

No that's not coaching. That's called clarification

[@iqbalrazi03]

@@MrJohansen i agree. nico knew what he had to do since he asked 'what does that mean? do i have to shift through it?', and the race engineer just clarifies it by answering, 'affirm', so technically its bound by the rules. well, based on the fia's record, it's no surprises that they constantly makes controversial decisions.

[@potatogirlcultist19]

Team radio controversy then: Engineers telling drivers what to do Team radio controversy now: MOMMY HE JUST SAID THE F WORD GIVE HIM A TEN SECOND STOP GO!

[@Shambley1]

Lol Lewis said f*ck it then, im pressing all the buttons.

[@theglitch312]

Solving IT issues by just fucking about and hoping for the best: Lewis 🤝 Me

[@lukew6725]

Absolutely ridiculous that the FIA try to police this! If you're gonna be this strict about it just ditch the radios all together!

[@googlreviews7813]

Christian actually called the rule rubbish, and that Sky Sports moron Simon Lazenby just told Toto that Christian wants a penalty. This is how rumors and fights get started. Lazenby is arguably the worst lead presenter ever in any F1 feature, any network.

[@Leonardnl]

That's why i hate SKY. They are all clowns.

[@PriyanshuBagga]

The rule is rubbish, doesn't mean you can break it and not expect a penalty (It was still a rule at that point, and was only scrapped later on). I hate RB with a passion, but Christian definitely mentioned that he wanted a penalty there, and the rule is rubbish. But as the rule is not removed yet, it would still be considered broken

[@timgimmy609]

I caught that as well, typical slimy journalist move

[@ze_rubenator]

Did you watch the video? Christian DID say he wanted a penalty. _"As the rules are written today that isn't right."_ Sure, he tried to wash his hands and say it was up to the stewards and that the rule is rubbish, but he very clearly also stated it should be a penalty.

[@themorellonomicon2757]

Driver coaching is 'focus more on exit speed in turn 6, the straight after is where you're losing the most time to the other driver', not 'go to these settings out of hundreds, and shift from 6th to 8th because your gearbox will explode in 7'. So even under the spirit of the regulations at the time this should have been allowed imho. As for the rule as a whole; if you can process complicated input while you're in the middle of performing such a complicated and timed task and gain an advantage out of it then you should be rewarded for that. Even if you try to send a continuous audio signal to directly tell the drivers when to break and how much to turn or whatever, basically puppeteering from the wall, processing that signal is always going to be inferior to what the driver does instinctively anyway. Drivers constantly getting angry at engineers yapping under breaking/cornering could have told them this. So the fear that they had of the driver skill being insignificant towards the outcome is completely unfounded.

[@DubsBrown]

At the request of the “commercial rights holder” goes to show what really impacts rule change decisions.

[@drew425]

I think it was absurd. “Alone and unaided” shouldn’t be a thing at all in a series like F1 where the constructors are just as important as the drivers. F1 is already behind other series in that it doesn’t have spotters around the track for teams. F1 is not a spec series. It’s not a “the best driver wins” series, it’s a “the best team wins” series.

[@NUFC2412]

FIA have ruined whats meant to be racing.

[@sabataskull9661]

For real , all hibrid era is a POS. Not F1 anymore.

[@JaydanPuriel]

Good thing we have Max Verstappen

[@BryanSteacy]

3:25 Herbert, Hill and Lazenby. The three horsemen of the smug apocalypse.

[@Kal_El1994]

This was a dark period of F1 - such a stupid rule. Glad it was dropped

[@imgoodkinda]

If this rule was still here, everyone would be driving uncomfortably and possibly retire their cars.

[@hugobretin9682]

Awesome content like always

[@t._dot]

4:47 Looking like a 35 year old Lando

[@jimmytclem]

to expand on Horner's comment at 3:12... if "skip 7th" is coaching that could change the events of the race... what do they consider telling a driver "your competition is done" is? "skip 7th" is a critical instruction that could arguably prevent catastrophic failure. "your competition is toast" is a coach saying "back off a hair, you'll place well without pushing"

[@WayStedYou]

You know its bad when even horner says the rule is stupid when it would've given them second

[@blazi2293]

What a stupid rule what's the point of having a radio if you can't use it in a critical situation

[@mattitudey2j]

Didn't realise the FIA had been helping Max for that long.

[@xTriplexS]

That rule was dumb af man. They're not just in a car, they're literally inside a whole computer that happens to look like an F1 car

[@Sigman99]

Insane how this was even a rule they make the engines and everything so complex and then expect the drivers to know exactly what engine mode and modes overall is going to fix an issue if it comes up

[@Arsenic71]

F1 is a team sport so the team should be allowed to tell the driver pretty much anything. It's still up to the driver...

[@Letsberealish]

These graphics are amazing

[@AAARREUUUGHHHH]

It really threw me off how much younger Toto and Christian looked. Man, where has the time gone...

[@Matteo-zd5ew]

one of the dumbest rules ive ever seen in f1

[@YouTubeAuditor1]

The team was not aiding Rosberg in driving the car, they were diagnosing a mechanical problem. Should have been no penalty.

[@sideshowbob5237]

The rule was written before the cars got so complex; a revision was justified. What isn't and never should be allowed is Rosberg's engineer telling him "try an earlier entry into the parabolica" (because he could see Hamilton's data). That was driver coaching. Bernie and Charlie put a stop to that.

[@DrSlipstream]

Would this not be a pretty significant safety issue? If his gearbox gets locked in 7th, he would at the least be a slow-moving obstacle, and if he were black flagged he would probably stall out when attempting to enter the pits.

[@Leith_Crowther]

Formula 1 didn’t always care about safety.

[@DanTheStripe]

Personally I don't care one bit for driver coaching, the car belongs to Mercedes, if they want to tell Nico exactly what gear to be in, what percentage throttle, braking and steering for every corner then that's A-OK with me, the communication between engineer and driver should be a skill valued in the championship as much as any other.

[@thomrobs98]

I remember this rule. That race with Lewis not knowing what was wrong the whole time. Silly rule really but it was interesting.

[@sodldierofinFAMY]

So instead of saying shift through it, they should have just said deal with it?

[@tobbsnobb1366]

now compare this to Landos first podium in Austria 2020 lol

[@bluebellModelrailway]

A ridiculous rule... As a fan i want to see them race...these cars are complicated and you can't drive and change through various sub menus... This isnt driver coaching ... Thst was a failure or about to.

[@samcarpenter_]

Just a reminder that in Baku 2016 this caused Lewis to finish 5th not 2nd which cost him the title.

[@doghat1619]

Just a reminder that Nico Rosberg scored more points than Lewis Hamilton in 2016 which cost him the title.

[@LaveaFirmis]

One of most stupid rules F1 has had. It is a TEAM sport, but also the pinnacle of the motorsport. This is not was a joke

[@ihavenoidea4727]

THAT IS 1010101021010101010% MORE CRITICAL PROBLEM THAN "DRIVER COACHING" LMAO

[@rubiksmath7938]

I mean, if you couldn't coach the drivers, why have team radio at all? Seems a bit stupid to me.

[@SerPurple51]

Those giant wings were really hideous.

[@maxdegraaf1333]

Rosberg: Almost retires when gearbox is stuck Schumacher: Finishes second when gearbox is stuck Senna: Wins the race when gearbox is stuck Clark: Wins the race with a five minute lead driving one handed at spa in the rain with the gearbox stuck

[@ploppyjr2373]

Admittedly it was definitely less close back then

[@sethv5273]

If I was him I would’ve stopped still in the most dangerous part of a track so that they would have to give a red flag or safety car to get the issue fixed (obviously make sure there isn’t a car nearby so there isn’t an actual crash)

[@redefined_dk7297]

The graphics😍

[@SomeYouTubeGuy]

This is what annoys me with F1. I'm not against radio comms being drastically reduced but do it properly. Advise the teams it will be required for the following season, give them time to plan and prepare properly not introduce it in 2 races time mid season. It's a joke.

[@christian_heretic]

The radio rule was insane . Like what was the actual point? Seems dangerous as hell

[@cornishpastywastaken]

Wow. This could've cost cost him the title!

[@grzybowy1680]

One of the dumbest rules introduced to this sport

[@PassiveSmoking]

Its pretty obvious why this rule was dropped so quickly. It was a stupid rule from the outset.

[@slap_k_man1862]

Is this 2024 with drivers getting in trouble for the radio 😂

[@ilskntex1681]

Bit odd that it happened in the UK of all places

[@carsismeZ06]

I'm so glad this dumb rule was removed. I wonder what dumb rule they'll think of next!

[@BakkerJoopNL]

Discussions about unclear rules and penalties. This aged well looking at the recent Mexican GP in 2024.

[@ElliottHurst]

What a daft rule

[@TimmyTheSnail]

Horner and Toto look so young wtf!

[@loganm2766]

Unrelated to this situation. F1 doesn’t feel like this anymore. I miss the old vibe of f1 and I can’t pinpoint what exactly it is that’s different 😢

[@mmax_19]

2016 with the shit regulations is what you missed? Damn

[@loganm2766]

@@mmax_19 No, just the organic vibe F1 used to have. Now it feels like it panders too hard to be mainstream that it lost its roots

[@no-damn-alias]

So if they said. ,,This issue will come back if you use 7th gear" then it would be fine? Stupid rule! No wonder viewer numbers were dwindeling back then

[@lisa_monalisa268]

Its ridiculous that the regulation is changing more than any other sports..FIA need to finalised their homework before asking people doing their test😒

[@baptisteMoi1]

wow insane

[@mshumai]

Then in 2022 Yuki on the radio: f---- beep! sh----- beep beep! traffic a--- s----- ! What has not changed through these years is Christian and Toto whinging and complaining

[@maxdegraaf1333]

10 second penalty for Verstappen

[@mohammadazka31]

it was a riddiculous rule

[@russselnumber1fan]

Modern warfare fans have a different view on the name"Kingfish"

[@KingFishF1]

Where do you think it came from ? ;)

[@russselnumber1fan]

@KingFishF1 lol it means Makarov

[@KingFishF1]

@@russselnumber1fan yes sir

[@Leith_Crowther]

SOCOM fans have a different view than that, no one cares

[@letsar6169]

incroyable!

[@codenamenot47]

Fernando is faster than you

[@x1_n_only_jtm_]

How can that be a penalty, telling your driver what to do😂. Makes no sense

[@Rocky712_]

It was a rule interpretation introduced back then to make the drivers be more responsible for the result, not telling them what they have to do to get faster mid race. The idea behind it is good, its just not possible for actual reallife scenarios

[@mattwesthaver6909]

What the fuck, someone make it make sense

[@jaydaddy4080]

what song is that

[@tomeddie14]

The worst rule implemented

[@OlympusSimRacingLeague]

F1 yet again shows how stupid rules they have

[@wxyz2589]

how does he avoid 7th gear

[@armadillolover99]

It means don’t stay in 7th Gear any longer than absolutely necessary, when you need to upshift from 6th gear hit the paddle twice to get you to 8th.

[@tomislavblazevic2742]

lol crazy

[@JUFFAIR101]

What a stupid law

[@itallomagalhaes6621]

FIA was always a joke

[@MoniFps]

Stupid rule

[@Alex-md6bu]

When Lewis had an issue with his car this year mercades said uh sorry we can’t tell you. When nico had an issue within seconds they were giving clear and precise instructions on how to fix it….. given that this title battle was so close one could argue that team bias played a role in deciding that title, nico oushed Lewis hard enough to deserve his title, but one could easily argue that Lewis was hard done to by this rule more so than nico

[@Ale-nv2bo]

Rosberg had the Same issue Hamilton had at baku, but he figured it out pretty quick that's why they couldn't help hamilton, the stewards wouldn't allow it. Lauda said it after the race.

[@Tunda2]

That’s a dumb ass rule. I’m also pro team orders

[@danielguimera12]

why is everything in french wth

[@cockatoo010]

Tu ne comprends pas?

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

One of the must *USELESS* rule in Formula 1® history! 👎💩💨 Fortunately this rule was no longer used two races later (#2016GermanGrandPrix🇩🇪). #2016BritishGrandPrix🇬🇧 #2016Nostalgia #SilverstoneCircuit🇬🇧 05/07/2024 00:03 AM At My Local Time.

[@unrelated.gaming]

F1 rules are just so stupid.

[@Rilex037]

this could have been avoided if he only said , skip 7th gear

[@Nebagram]

If memory serves this rule was another Jean Todt abortion. 😐

[@aditya_padhi22]

What a stupid rule

[@mornejoubert8416]

Rediculous!

[@lmSnarkk]

absolutely bullshit rule anyhow

[@ananthu8534]

Lewis Hamilton the luckiest of all times

[@Steven_77]

Sebastian vettel the most overated driver of all times

[@JaydanPuriel]

Max Verstappen the most unnecessary hated driver of all time

[@Don-Royall]

Like his team not helping him but helping Nico heh.

[@pikachu8508]

Schumacher the dirtiest cheater of all time.

[@Thiago100Zwetsch]

This was a pretty good rule, as per usual, Mercedes cryied out lout concerning safety reasons and this rule was vanished. I thing radio is a cancer in mortorsport. Including team orders.

[@stewartgrindlay9760]

Shamiltion cried and cried on the other radio to get him a penalty

[@Xyfuxion]

imagine hating a 7time world champion while being a nobody lmfao

[@canismajoris6733]

Why wouldn't he? He's in a title fight

[@stewartgrindlay9760]

@@canismajoris6733 so cheat at all costs. About Shamiltions style

[@Xyfuxion]

@@stewartgrindlay9760 lmfao bros hating a 7time world champion while having the name stewart😭🙏🏻

[@thelegend5243]

Obsessed mug

[@SuperElectricmonk]

Go fast don't crash 'illegal'.

[@nextgenpsychos1016]

nico his whole racing career was always like that needed his hand held his pathetic not worth the title

[@hectornecromancer5308]

That's called "working together with your race engineers to extract the best result" Something that you don't and won't bother to know

[@vinceventresca6719]

You want nico to know the procedure for fixing the gearbox off the top of his head?

[@bossmen6665]

Stupid rule