The Importance of Fictional Vehicles in Racing Games

[@GamerAlexVideos]

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[@TyCal_]

I’ve never understood the dislike for fictional cars in racing games because generally speaking they offer up way more positives than negatives in terms of customization, damage models, licensing and even world building in some cases. As a car guy, I can still recognize what these cars are supposed to be based on while also appreciating the creative flair that the developers can add to that real world design. My favorite example of that is the Euro Circuit Racer from Burnout 3, which has the same basic design of a Porsche 917 but is stylized to look like a modern GT racer. You would never get a combination like that if the car was licensed.

[@suntannedduck2388]

I think people care about brands/memories and dream cars too much (also realistic rules, that or like with non fantasy people find things they understand not some whole lore/differences even though tv shows/movies even if set in real life have quirks to not be boring to watch or some people like seeing other people's business. People are just weird). To me cars are cool and I enjoy cars because of games not IRL but I am too much a gamer and care about using them for progression then getting attached to them. But I will never not like fake logos, fake cars, fake tracks. The possibilities are better, more flexible, we see the creativity from Devs as well. They can try in real tracks and cars hide Easter eggs or put their personality to it but their fictional own creations usually are more exciting and they can stretch their creativity more. That's my 2 cents of thinking I am only guessing. There is a reason the Sega GT on Dreamcast acr builder is so fun. Close enough shells, make a new car with whatever parts. Pure has an ATV builder with many parts for performance and cosmetics. Just pure fun. Or course builders depending on the tools they offer.

[@1035pm]

Seems to be more kids that want real cars in games.. Yeah I get it with games like GT and AC you can have licensed cars as they don’t show any visible damage. Can you imagine games like GTA, burnout, wreckfest, Driver, stuntman, split/second having real licensed cars? I’m sure the likes of Porsche, Audi, Ferrari, Lamborghini would love to see their cars getting smashed up and used for robbery’s.

[@PootisMayo]

I’m not against seeing cars from real brands in video games, but now it is just better to have fictional vehicles to save time and money from what I understand. BeamNG and Burnout Paradise are neat examples of fictional cars that take influence from real-life and make it unique.

[@Maddiedoggie]

I like the cars that BeamNG has. They're clearly inspired by real world cars while still being their own thing.

[@PootisMayo]

@@Maddiedoggie not to mention BeamNG’s manufacturers take influence from multiple real-life brands at once. Ibishu based on Honda and Nissan, Gavril based on Chevrolet and Ford etc.

[@DustinEdenYT]

I think a large (albeit subconscious) reason why people generally prefer racing games with licensed cars is because each car is its own "character" in a way. You can think of cars in a game like you could fighters in a fighting game, and like with Smash Bros for example, a large roster of recognizable faces attracts people. People love seeing their favorite characters appear in other games, and racing games take huge advantage of that effect because many games share a lot of vehicles. And just like fighting game characters, each car comes with its own quirks, stats, charm and flair that usually translates into other games as well. A Miata will always be the lightweight, grippy nugget in almost every game it appears in, and some people find comfort in that.

[@andreasskjoldhammer6493]

Good take and analysis as always, Eden.

[@obeseperson]

This is exactly it I prefer licensed cars in games because I just enjoy cars. Fictional cars are fine though I’ve never seen anyone that wasn’t a child hate on fictional cars in games

[@a_p_vox]

I think it's because licensed cars are the people commonly see in real life, so it's a pleasure for most of us to afford them on a video game when we hardly could in reality. I mean, how many people can afford a supercar in the real world!

[@theraiden9631]

In short, game with licensed cars are copium for those who has no money huh?

[@a_p_vox]

@@theraiden9631 otherwise, why mod games like GTA to add a determined car from the real world?

[@vendesifiat600]

Even if not mainly a racing game, i think the big success of GTA5 has definitely made the image of non licensed vehicles better in the public eye

[@BayAreaRushHour]

I think what also helps is that more and more games with licensed cars are getting delisted due to licensing, which is making more people aware of why it’s done.

[@bitelaserkhalif]

Also the GTA cars tends to have lore attached

[@amodiodagostino3522]

​@@bitelaserkhalifespecially if you actually listen the Radio ads of those fictional brands, I chuckle everytime I listen to the Bravado one...

[@n_core]

Having fictional cars also enhanced the experience because GTA is a parody of the world inside its own universe. Having licensed real-world stuff in it will make it feel odd and stand out.

[@DJKevin97]

I've always loved fictional cars so they can have their own identity from the real counterpart. The most iconic vehicle in Burnout being the Custom Coupe from Burnout 2. Appearing in 5 games overall seeing people customize Honda Civics and Acura RSXs to resemble it. Of course, my favorite fictional car of all time is the Montgomery Hawker for the slick design and livery, cool name, nice engine sound and great controls in-game.

[@TornaitSuperBird]

The Hawker is great. I never thought that a SRT Viper with luxury Aston Martin styling would look and feel so good.

[@Victor_2000s]

And the Custom Coupe livery seems to be based on Fast And Furious Brian's Eclipse.

[@starboi404]

BeamNG came to my mind when you talked about identity. While the cars are based off of real life cars, they're usually so distinct that it might take some people a few seconds to figure out what's based on what (tell me with full confidence what the Hirochi SBR4 is based on without looking it up, cause I don't know either lol). It helps the cars and the game stand out more, not to mention the BeamNG cars are so detailed that you'd be forgiven for thinking they were real life if you put them alongside real cars.

[@agenty_gd]

Many cars in BeamNG are blends of several different irl cars rather than a single car. Especially the SBR4 and Scintilla take inspiration from so many models that it's probably not possible to pinpoint one major irl inspiration for each. This is because the vehicles are not supposed to represent particular irl models but rather general archetypes of vehicles. Like the Scintilla is meant to represent a modern supercar so it takes design ideas from lots of irl modern supercars. Even when there is just one iconic irl example of the archetype, there are some ideas borrowed from other models, for example the Grand Marshal is a sturdy body-on-frame fullsize cop car, the obvious irl equivalent is the Crown Vic, but it also takes inspiration from the less iconic Chevrolet Caprice from the same era, and some civilian fullsize cars of similar age too. Also the cars in game reuse parts between each other, most notably the Gavril V8 engine available on D-Series, H-Series, Roamer and Grand Marshal, as a swap on the Ibishu Hopper and Ibishu BX series, and in the custom built SP Rockbasher. This not only allows for easier code maintenance but also helps build the custom lore and identity of the cars.

[@OfficialRainsynth]

I was actually thinking of BeamNG.drive for the whole time while watching the video. Yes, those cars are basically a restyled mash-up of real-life cars, but they are still just themselves as the devs intended. And also the game doesn't have any music as well, so this makes BeamNG sort of "delisting-proof."

[@jonatanrobledo9812]

My favorite fictional vehicles? The WHOLE roster of Ridge Racer Type 4. And never listen to those that talk like fictional cars are cheap or lazy, most of those are hard sim-heads or only play stuff like Gran Turismo/Forza "last version" just because new=good in their heads.

[@LinvestigatesMC]

Ridge racer had the best fictional and amazing looking cars

[@Idfkwhyy]

R4 has such amazing cars, assoluto is my fav brand there by far

[@greatsageclok-roo9013]

The irony is that Gran Turismo always HAS had fictional cars. Mostly race cars based on road cars, like the Honda del sol LM. But the last decade also saw the Vision Gran Turismo project, with cars made exclusively for the digital world of the game by real manufacturers… And you’re still so absolutely right! The GT community doesn’t like the VGT’s for whatever reason. It’s actually quite comical how contrarian this fanbase has become.

[@jonatanrobledo9812]

@@greatsageclok-roo9013 I just keep myself to PSX-PS2 era GT. Waiting for that sweet update from the GT2 A-Spec mod.

[@trexindominus8119]

@@greatsageclok-roo9013 I don't blame them, a lot of the VGT cars look hideous. Still I agree with you.

[@ziqqerlad]

i gotta give big respects for games that made the fictional cars in their game has their own logo and typography, to further immerse in the world. specifically ridge racer with the car brands like AGE, Kamata and Danver

[@MXTV_85]

i know it technically started in rage racer but r4 giving all of the cars their own brands, then EXPANDING on those brands with their own histories and styles is one of the best things that game did for the series

[@ziqqerlad]

@@MXTV_85 oh yeah, rage racers. whats the purpose of that game anyway?

[@dragostorm5947]

Rage Racer I would like to believe marked when the series was starting to build its identity with the introduction of the racing manufacturers Assoluto, AGE, Lizard (would later become Danver), and Gnade. R4 and RRV would further develop the world of Ridge Racer with additional manufacturers/racing team lore, a multi-branch story (R4 only) and an expanded world that would also be continued by RR6/7 Sadly, and crucially, during the PSP/PS3 eras, Bandai has acquired control of Namco and, being a company with a major focus in mainline entertainment, also ended up dissolving/reorganizing multiple teams of now-lost Namco IPs, Ridge Racer included. I would believe that was the reason why the latest entries (RR3D and beyond) have had almost no attention to past entries' source material/identity and felt rushed/incomplete.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

​@@dragostorm5947And so far, their only racing IP still active is Maximum Tune, which has licensed cars (a given because of its source manga). A fun series undoubtedly, but the car lineup has expanded past the late-90s since even the first Wangan Midnight games.

[@DonathanXVI]

this is so real, i absolutely loved reading the little info text about the cars when i played ridge racer 2 psp! the gnade esperanza is by far one of my favorite fictional cars

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

The moment the mainstream gaming community realize how important are games with non-licensed content, EA and 2K will have a really bad time.

[@cenanmehmet]

Ea had fictional cars too,El Nino for example,they love to waste money on nonsense

[@bitelaserkhalif]

EA, well the burnout is non licensed. 2k, if you count their "brother" Rockstar, GTA and old midnight club is fictious

[@Victor_2000s]

​@@cenanmehmetFictional vehicles was only stuck for the 90s NFS games, they never added a new fictional vehicle since NFS High Stakes.

[@markdebruyn1212]

@@bitelaserkhalif Only the first two Midnight Club games have fictional cars

[@bitelaserkhalif]

@@markdebruyn1212 that's why I said *old* midnight club

[@michaelskoomamacher5652]

This video and most of the comments are already voiced my sentiments toward original car models. If i may add, one of the gripes of non-licensed vehicles is that most of the time, the game doesn't include the (made-up) lore for the models or brands that could've added depth to the in-game lore: tidbits about the development process of said vehicle, for example. I think Ridge Racer 6-7 she GTAV were the best examples of how to do fictional vehicle lore, as banal as those were.

[@andreasskjoldhammer6493]

I copletely agree with you there. One of my favourite things to do in RR7 was to read the little news ticker in the bottom of the menu screens, where I could get tidbits of information about the world and its car manufacturers.

[@Tribow]

Tbh, I usually like fictional cars over the real ones. I used to like looking at concept cars so that could be why. I do also like hotwheels. Also I love this channel for showing gameplay of a racing game I've never seen in my life. Gives me more games to try.

[@civicrider5556]

Did you notice that hotwheels is facing a similar issue when it comes to their original designs?

[@Tribow]

@@civicrider5556 They are? As in they can't use their original designs due to some kind of contract?

[@civicrider5556]

@@Tribow no, there is a hate campaign going on by so called collectors against fantasy castings to the point that hatred is carried over to their games too

[@Tribow]

@@civicrider5556 Weird, never heard of that. Hotwheels Unleashed 2 had a big improvement on adding more fantasy castings too, so I guess the hate campaign is failing.

[@civicrider5556]

@@Tribow not on the diecast side however

[@JinteiModding]

Ridge Racer imo still has the best fictional car designs of all time, especially every game between RR 5 and Vita. I especially love them because they could easily work as real life desings/as if these models have been designed by actual car designers.

[@wildsword6856]

The racing game community needs to WAKE UP and realize that not all racing games can have licensed cars crazy taxi, ridge racer, Daytona USA and and heck even burnout and the early midnight club games and early tokyo xtreme racer games prove this

[@FrozenDrone12]

Early TXR is more like debadging rather then fully fictional vehicle they literally still a real car just remove the car badge and using their machine code for the naming, almost like the same case with Carx Series but I get what you mean and I agree

[@FrozenDrone12]

This kind of unlicensed vehicle is also the reason why Racing games reaching the peak in the 2000's era because so many variation of many different kind of vehicle can make the developer serving a many possibilities of different kind of gameplay, they don't trying to be realistic, its just a fun of speed and going fast Ridge Racer series is a prime example for me how they build a universe of their fictional car especially the lore behind the car brand in the game, yes GTA (5 especially) has doing the same thing as well but i think R* need to explore their car brands background deeper like what Namco's do in RR Today almost all of racing games trying to be realistic by using many licensed vehicle even arcade racing games nowadays are trying hard to be semi realistic, and thats why racing games nowadays feels bland and stalling

[@shawklan27]

Well said

[@CyanRooper]

Rockstar Games actually parodies real-life car brands using their fictional car brands. The names are puns (Enus, Annis, Dinka etc) and the logos feature Rockstar's typical adult humour (the Declasse logo looks like a PP, the Dewbauchee logo resembles the Aston Martin logo but it's actually multiple pairs of women's legs).

[@wildsword6856]

Argeed

[@FrozenDrone12]

@@CyanRooper yes we know that but it will be better if Rockstar giving us more deep lore in their car brands because so far they just parodying the real life car brands without giving us more in deep background between the brands and tbh RR wins in this aspect

[@abeeocta2599]

I always think that ridge racer set in alternate strangereal without war

[@vptknrn5939]

Recently got into the Ridge Racer franchise,and I love how the devs wrote their own established lore around every single car in the game,it also helps that most of them have great designs that somehow predicted design cues used in modern day cars(i.e:The Kamata Fiera from Ridge Racer 6/7 had an almost identical set of taillights to the 2023 Nissan Z). Great video!

[@cannedbeverage7687]

I think the dislike for fictional cars comes from a childish source within people. I remember thinking "fake" cars were dumb as a kid but now I appreciate them for what they allow developers to do. Both kinds are good imo.

[@nathanielcruz6675]

The Gran Turismo franchise is no stranger to fictional vehicles. They created a lot of fictional cars like the Toyota Atenza Touring Car, the Mazda RX-8 Concept Race Car, the Nissan 350Z LM Race Car, the list is endless.

[@tristanheron4144]

Also all the Vision GT cars and Red Bull X2010

[@n_core]

Those are fictional cars but with licensed real-world brands. So it's a different thing.

[@RaiuAdami]

Unironically this is an amazing video. Fictional cars are amazing. It even applies outside of games. Look no further than stuff that Hot Wheels makes. I could list so many that are amazing: Power Rage, Celero GT, Torque Twister, 24/Seven, Paradigm Shift, GT Scorcher, MS-T Suzuka to name just a few.

[@MrWaifuTaker]

Fictional Vehicles are absolutely helpful for open world crime games such as Saints Row and GTA. Hell, the Attrazione and Infernus are cooler than the basic Lamborghinis even if they're fictional Lambos imo.

[@StaredownGames]

Check out Infernus_dirft, they are building one one!

[@42crazyguy]

I love fictional vehicles since every game that has them feels so much more fresh and exciting. Like a whole new roster of cars I've never seen before waiting to be discovered instead of the same old licensed ones.

[@valutaatoaofunknownelement197]

Basically similar reasons as to why i like Hot Wheels fantasy models (aka originals), especially the 90s-mid 2000s era, and now the 2019+ era when they release models like the Dimmachini Veloche, Drift n' Break (Fast Fish but wagon), Raijin Express, and Donut Drifter (not all the food mobiles hit the same, though)

[@andreasskjoldhammer6493]

I LOVE Ridge Racer because of its fictional cars and the worldbuilding that's created around them. It can indeed be a very interesting stylistic choice as well as an economical one to not use licenses.

[@AAPGoku]

Me too for the same reason I wish Bandai Namco could bring back the franchise. Because it's needed right now in racing games since "cough cough" The Crew 1 shut down this year. It's important reminder why racing game franchises like Burnout, Midnight Club Daytona USA, and Ridge Racer needs to make come back in the racing game genre so that we won't have to deal with real life licenses for cars, body kits, aftermarket parts, and soundtracks just like The Crew 1.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

​@@AAPGokuI find it ironic Ridge Racer is dormant while Maximum Tune remains active.

[@AAPGoku]

@ArbitraryOutcome yeah me too that's why racing games like Ridge Racer, Burnout, Midnight Club, and SEGA Daytona USA are racing games we need in this generation to spice up the racing game genre without issues of licensing cars, music, and aftermarket parts from aftermarket manufacturers. So that more people not just in racing game community; but in the gaming community in general.

[@theraiden9631]

​@@ArbitraryOutcome because Maximum Tune is arcade cabinet, and you need top up to get them online, means more money to BaNa. Drift Spirits also has fictional body design in licensed car like Hi Spec cars.

[@jeremiasazcona9159]

Split Second has my favourite unlicensed car designs out of the games listed, mostly because even though they are inspired by real cars, they still feel distinct enough to be their own thing, even though i wish it had proper customization.

[@thebrodator]

The Eagle R is one of the coolest vehicles in all of gaming. So glad they added it to Wreckfest.

[@EdyAlbertoMSGT3]

THEY DID WHAT NOW

[@GTXDash]

Why do games have a timeframe limit with car licensing? 😤 Movies don't have to deal with that. Imagine you no longer can watch older James Bond or Mission Impossible films just because the BMW license expired. Gamers just put up with the most braindead business practices that other consumers wouldn't have tolerated.

[@Ccccc-mi3tr]

Its sucks but there are multiple different types of licencing deals and 99% of the time game companies will Opt for the lower cost fixed term licence because they have the view that no one will still be playing in 5 years time whilst films will pay for an unlimited licence because films have longer relevancy. This is the same for music

[@adlibbed2138]

This, I'd also like to add Midnight Club II when that game had not a single licensed vehicle in sight, and yet it was taken off from Steam back in like 2018 likely due to the expired music licenses

[@adlibbed2138]

​​​@@Ccccc-mi3trit really is sucks when most recent example I can think off my head of a game get relisted is Alpha Protocol, when it was quite recently gets relisted to Steam (initially) & GOG with all the songs intact, with the latter came up with several fixes to make it run on modern OS

[@rexthewolf3149]

Movies and Games have different licensing practices. Especially with the amount of cars licensed. Movies tend maybe 5 to maybe 20 cars that need a licensing agreement. Wheras for example Grand Turismo 3 has 180. Forza Motorsport 4 has 500. If any of those licenses expire the game has to be removed or if they can’t renew it they have to remove it like with what happened with SLR sterling moss in need for speed 2010 remaster.

[@GTXDash]

@rexthewolf3149 Unlimited licensing in games is only expensive because the gaming industry supported it, rather than every game company banding together to say "If you want your cars in our games, you have to lower the price". And car companies would've done that because cars in video games are a lucrative marketing tool that does increase their sales by a lot. But no. The gaming industry isn't nearly as well organized. If there was an attempt at something like that, all it would take for it to collapse would be just one publisher to get a head in life by paying the premium amount to undermine its competitors. I feel like this is something that EA would've done.

[@Rockracer]

Indubitably based. Love them unlicensed cars and they deserve a lot of credit An extra point to be made is that this elitism against them comes from the impression that they'll always be lesser reproductions of the ones made real. That can straight up be the opposite of the truth, though. As theres no limits that come with reality, with some thought and work you can take things a step further than real cars feasibly could, and say, turn what was wasted potential in real life into the bread and butter of your game Remember the new NSX and how it never really lived up to the original? _What if it did?_ You just might be able to live that, and oh so many more things you wish could happen through fictional cars, and I think that hasn't really been explored enough

[@pashalq]

Absolutely, great point to make. I feel like that part is catched to some degree with mods for Assetto Corsa. Although the driving experience is different due to it being a simulation. I would love to see games go down a route where cars never needed to include safety standards or exhaust gas regulations. It's a fictional world, so it would not matter.

[@n_core]

The new NSX case is interesting to me. Because I love Dinka Jester on GTA V. It's a parody version of the new NSX that Rockstar made even before the real version came out. But after the new NSX came out, I disliked the car having the name NSX because I felt it didn't deserve it. It's just not a worthy successor for such a legendary car.

[@KamataArushi410]

My favorite fictional car is the Kamata RC410 aka the Main Cover car from Ridge Racer 7. It was underrated and so obscure that Dove_7 put her in the D tier in the Racing Box Cover art tierlist (Yeah cuz the box cover in the tierlist maker is the Japanese box cover was chosen instead of the US version which is better than that). It deserves more love because it has lore cuz the demo replay (after the title cutscene ends) and the ending cutscene depicted the car as the canon winner of the Final Grand Prix. Namco really did dirty to the car cuz they didn't make an Cinematic Intro cutscene only the title screen where it's just not moving and just keep milking reiko to death.

[@SabreXT]

Another fringe benefit of non-licensed cars (albeit a tiny one) is no fanboy slap fights about balance. I'm talking "there's no way a Lotus Elise could keep up with a Dodge Viper" kind of stuff.

[@FrozenDrone12]

And another things like car sounds debating like "wHy p4G4n1 z0nd4 C1nqu3 s0unDs L1k3 f0rD mUsT4nG" something like that because the developer can create their own vibe around their car sounds management Yes there's still a complaint of car sounds in fictional vehicle sometimes especially in GTA community but the complaint is just a simple though like "Why this cars sounds like Supercar" and "This cars should giving more echo of their engine"

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

I mean, there WILL be balancing issues, but at least we wouldn't be bound to IRL performance metrics. Now, why MC2 didn't have a single European-inspired car faster than the Tokyo vehicles (if you exclude the SLF) seems more stylistic, but it DOES seem a smidge jarring.

[@bitelaserkhalif]

The complaint on GTA community though, is probably 1 dashboard for multiple cars.​@@FrozenDrone12

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

Think my fictional cars in a game was Interstate 76. The cars were basically just badge removal, but the names were clever takes on the real things: Picard Piranha, Jefferson Sovereign, Dover Lightning, etc. GTA has kinda started doing this in recent years, but for a long time their vehicle names felt pretty random.

[@BeatsWithKev]

Now that I think of it, the only fictional car that I've seen in multiple games have been Octane from Rocket League, and this is a big stretch, The Warthog from Halo. Great video!

[@Tekken_3_Is_good]

Great examples of fictional cars are all of the cars that Ivory Tower puts in the Crew, like Proto, Creators, and Ivory Tower

[@Route765]

I had to click since you included the Kamata RC410 and the Feisar ship in the thumbnail

[@DavisFangTech]

I loved following the lore and evolution of the Ridge Racer vehicles throughout the games. Manufactures would release new version for old cars and manufacturers would even purchase each other! It was always fun to follow

[@jakeford12]

I’ll never not find funny how one of the cars in burnout revenge predicted the 2013 dodge viper design.

[@alexsaffamerica]

I too support the inclusion of fictional cars in racing games, whether it be debadged/fictionally rebadged real cars (e.g. early Shutoko Battle games), original designs, and straight-up mixtures. I'm not exactly the biggest fan of debadged cars, though, especially if they appear in those cheaply made games, like their presence can be somewhat uncanny to me. There are also a few games that use both real and fictional cars, like some of the Grid games and Project Torque (at least the pre-Jogara versions). It's a bit of an odd choice, but it was rather unnecessary that every real car in Project Torque cost real money to buy. The real + fictional approach can also result in overlapping brands like Project Torque did, like Miyato and its IRL counterpart Toyota existing in one world. If the fictional cars were completely original cars co-existing with the real ones, I would have no problem with it. Also, some people (I'm one of them) like to design fictional cars as a hobby, be it through 3D modeling and drawing. An under-respected art, I must say. A good fictional car artist to look at is BmrCT, a retired American 3D modeler who made many GTA-inspired fictional cars in SketchUp, even though none of them were supposed to fit in the GTA universe - his brands are original. There are other SketchUp users who made fictional cars, but BmrCT is a pretty good example.

[@Suprasumo93]

Yeah, It's the same issue with unlicensed/fantasy cars toys on stuff like Hot Wheels. The generic public just has a lot of prejudice towards them. Like, even the Vision GT cars, original projects created of their real brands with their official designers, were hated just because they don't actually exist... I get it, real life vehicles always come with some personal real life connections, brand pedigree and history behind it but c'mon...! The liberty of design that some racing games can have while creating their roster of vehicles is such a big bonus...! Series like Burnout, Ridge Racer, Motorstorm, even NFS with their El Niño series of vehicles already proven that they can make some freaking amazing original or even better version of highly inspired real life vehicles! Honestly, the only time I don't like unlicensed stuff is when it's just the exactly same model, just de-badge, stuff like the CarX Drift Racing, which even there, I get it, the idea is to bring the exactly models, body kit brands and such without paying the extra for all those license.

[@simeonyves5940]

I wish more Games would do what the old NFS Games Did and put the odd Purely Fictional Car in with the Real Ones, not a Fantasy Car from a Real Company like VGT, but a full Fantasy Car, such as the El Nino you mentioned... (shame they never made a Modern Version under the "Rossolini" brand from Burnout for HP2010, or maybe even a Graphically Remodelled version of the 1998 Original!..) , I know Forza Horizon does it Occasionally (4 having the Biggest Roster with the 2 Quartz Regalia's from Final Fantasy, the Quadra Turbo R-Vtech from CP2077 and the Civilian Sports Truck Version of Halo's "hog",...) but, I would like to see it a lot more Often TBH!

[@civicrider5556]

​@@simeonyves5940imagine how a modernised version of FZR 2k would have looked in hot pursuit

[@simeonyves5940]

@@civicrider5556 A modernised Jansen FZR 2K would have looked Incredible!

[@KevLP]

Big W for mentioning MotorStorm and Dirt Showdown. Also could you please make a Video on something like ModNation Racers or Kart Racers in general?

[@GamerAlexVideos]

Kart racers isn't really a genre of racing / vehicular combat games that I enjoy. I don't think I'd be making videos on them anytime soon...

[@KevLP]

@@GamerAlexVideos Oh ok, I mean Your the Contentcreator so u Decide what to do and what not to do. Thanks still

[@mayoral90s38]

I always dream to bring one of those fictional cars to real life and enjoy driving it irl. I dont really care wich one,but i have special love for burnout revenge ones and the Pfaa Naxas from SLRR

[@StaredownGames]

I think you just found your channel idea. Start building/filming!

[@mayoral90s38]

@@StaredownGames i will love to do it, but i live in a country were almost anything car related its ilegal and im broke af

[@StaredownGames]

ah, that's terrible! Amen to being broke! I actually don't mind it. It makes me appreciate everything I have.

[@mayoral90s38]

@@StaredownGames some day maybe...

[@illustriousfreedom.9745]

I'll be honest, I used to either be indifferent towards or hate fictional cars in racing games. Just saw them as really being an afterthought or some cars that I simply just can't relate to because they don't exist. However, I have grown to like (or at least appreciate) them over the years. Either Cyberpunk 2077 has convinced me that they can look ridiculously cool or my tastes have matured. Either way, though I would still prefer racing games with licensed cars in them, I now understand why these fictional cars exist. Licensing (depending on the manufacturer) can be massive pain, after all. And with having your game centered around fictional cars by design, you don't have to deal with all the dud ahh manufacturer (again, depends) demands.

[@AGRacingCentral]

What a great video and summary of fictional vehicle's place in gaming! I personally find the part you mentioned about the whole setting being unrealistic the most compelling. There is so much more creativity and less limitations when you can just invent new weapons, different kinds of turbos and so on. Realistic racing games has their place of course but I'm just personally drawn more to the unrealistic ones.

[@transportationfan3156]

I'd say that Beamng fits perfectly in what you said about damage models. Each car they made is amazing (atleast to me), even having little pieces of lore in some of them.

[@civicrider5556]

This is a similar issue hotwheels is suffering right now, not just in games like hotwheels unleashed but in their diecast line up as well, people are so hellbent on erasing original/fictional vehicles Oh gran turismo as well with their vision gran turismo concept cars

[@jakubch.6324]

Cool to hear music from first GRID in the background! Awesome film

[@low-pixeldoomguy6741]

I loved the fictional vehicles in Dirt Showdown. It's just unfortunate that they had some liscenced cars for the Gymkhana modes that made it get delisted.

[@GamerAlexVideos]

I still wish that game just focused on 100% fictional vehicles and wasn't under the DiRT name. It could have been an even better demo derby / banger racing styled game!

[@AvexFuddle]

no problem with fictional cars, less problems with licensing deals, and they often look cooler anyway.

[@sagitta98]

Also I am already done with some of the manufacturers not respecting the game design for sake of their brand or any BS move they pull to these developers. Like when Toyota refrain from adding their car to NFS just because it's a street racing game while at the same time having their car in Forza Horizon 5, which is also a street racing game... 🤦‍♀️

[@adlibbed2138]

​​​​@@sagitta98and let's not forget about games like Initial D & Wangan Midnight arcades & F&F Crossroads, those games blatantly have illicit themes behind them and yet Toyota seems all good with these and then you also get EA Sports WRC 23, which only has 1 single Toyota in the line-up (GR Yaris Hybrid) afaik, and that's it despite the game promotes screw all about street racing

[@simeonyves5940]

@@sagitta98 It seems, with Toyota, to be Police Chases which are the main Point of Contention I note none of the Games listed by Adi contain Police Chases, except Crossroads, but Toyota's cannot be used in those missions. EA However, broke an *n word level* Japanese Cultural Taboo when they called them "nerds", as any Insult, even in Jest, is a Grave Offense in Japanese Society and Culture, because it is "impolite" , and again Impoliteness is an *n word level* offense in Japan, so I would not be surprised if Toyota have possibly Blacklisted EA as a Result...

[@PURENT]

​@@adlibbed2138 Initial D and Wangan Midnight arcade games have been sterilized as far back as 2001, every race in them is now basically depicted as "legal road racing" in some way to appease Japanese authorities. There is a strong pressure on all domestically created content to not endorse street racing themes. This has been going on since Shuto Kousoku Trial's last film was banned in Japan.

[@simeonyves5940]

@@PURENT Yup, the JNPA have called Enough, its why MF Ghost is all Legal Racing, it was the only way to get around the JNPA's Ban on Content that Promotes Street Racing. The JNPA also being a Main Reason why PGG's Ralph Fulton openly Declared Japan as a "Non Starter" in an Interview with Eurogamer before FH4 launched when the Interviewer asked about Japan.

[@sagitta98]

Sometimes I don't get why car companies don't allow their car to take damage in-game. I mean their products also break IRL when it's caught in an accident and mostly it's all the driver's fault, not the car. At least let the developers put damage on the panels while making the chassis tough with the driver still safely intact inside. It will make a good impression that their car is safe to drive, even when caught in an accident.

[@rexthewolf3149]

It’s imagine thing. Though it’s less of a thing now.

[@simeonyves5940]

Because their Cars being shown as Damaged causes them PR Image Damage in China and the Middle East where a "Prestige" Image is Vital!

[@MatthewDiLeva]

Only thing I enjoy the most about fictional vehicles is both racing and (mainly) destroying them. Damaging real vehicles feels wrong, but it’s not the worst thing to happen in racing games.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

They also offer more leniency with stuff like visual mods or setting. Ferrari might not take kindly to aftermarket, but you could still make a fictional Ferrari-inspired make/models have sizeable customization options.

[@MatthewDiLeva]

@@ArbitraryOutcome And when you damage fictional cars, the game designers/publishers don’t have to owe anyone any money because they’re not real; they’re meant to be raced and destroyed, no shit.

[@CaramelArrowCookieOwO]

Am i the only one who likes red Works R202 GT from Burnout Revenge? (I even set the promo art image of it as my phone wallpaper)

[@GamerAlexVideos]

I really like that car too!

[@justanotherghost4589]

The Works R202 was always kinda odd in my opinion, but still not bad, I'm more of a Prototype R175 ST kinda guy.

[@markdebruyn1212]

Ah yes that one, it reappears in Burnout Dominator as the "Works GT"

[@PlayNeth]

Blue super type 1 from Burnout 3 gotta be the most iconic for me. The GOAT

[@CaramelArrowCookieOwO]

I remember wanting to drive that car but never know how video games progression works as a kid XD

[@markdebruyn1212]

I like its custom variant the "Custom Super"

[@codesavei9613]

Can you make a arcade racer recommendation list because I see so many racers here that I have never seen before. You really have something with your channel and theme.

[@4storyboss]

also fun fact: grip has two licensed vehicles, which are MG and delorean

[@nowind37]

here is a thing i played many racing games where these fictional cars in these games are very awesome to tell for example the gianluca from Crash time 2 the Zenden Cup from DiRT 5 and Others also nice vid btw

[@Idonthavausernam]

I’m not a big fan of fictional vehicles, but I really enjoy them in BeamNG and Burnout Paradise, they actually have meaning behind them imo. It’s even more amazing to mix them with a few real cars.

[@shnubdawg7730]

My favourites are the Rosolini Tempesta, Carson GT concept, and the Watson V16 turbo.

[@hypergon-5627]

You explained everything i thought about how having realistic fictional cars rather than licensed cars is better for games I became fully against licensed cars because of removal of driveclub dlc

[@ZAYMANGAMESTUDIO]

I can’t believe they had to remove the game from the stores. 😭

[@suntannedduck2388]

From sofas/lawn mowers as just strange to fake cars (using close to real shells and details/quirks) to just SciFi, or a tank car, the Nike 2002 or anything a lot of game modes, vehicle quirks and more can be done. Also arcade feel is just nice, simcade. Making the physical and handling feel different makes it feel charming with each vehicle type. Tracks terrain, road layouts/thick and thinness, their look and personality for their world's. Especially with Sega GT car creator, Pure ATV creator, Mario Kart 7+ parts and more..those are awesome possibilities. Ship designs, air brakes how they as hovering vehicles feel. How boats feel, planes and more. Interesting design, interesting gameplay, interesting tracks, stand out ideas. Yet realism........ Because people don't always have an imagination or are too into brands/memories sadness. Or REAL RULES. Not the depth needed for fictional ones and WHAT IFS even are TOO FAR. sure that's why many are presented in fiction and are great.

[@anthonylu1237]

HotWheels racing games also features hundreds of fictional cars with no large budget to license the real cars, they had to design their own.

[@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim]

Calling fictional cars *Cheap* is a fact tho, Licencing is expensive.

[@GamerAlexVideos]

Well yea, it is cheaper to use fictional cars, but people say that as a way to look down on games using those vehicles. That is moreso what I meant.

[@shroomologist]

I like the idea that blowing your budget to satisfy people's brand loyalty is better than spending it on the game part of the game. I'm sure there's no aspect of licenced cars that intereferes with trying to balance your vehicle roster either.

[@DaRealBruner]

I love when video games combine both licensed and fictional cars. Good example is a lot of blackbox era NFS games. Most Wanted's police civic cruiser, as well as the AI traffic vehicles. Those who replace the civic cruiser in these fake-ass remaster concepts with a boring ol' Crown Victoria are fake-ass fans of Most Wanted.

[@adlibbed2138]

kinda wish they replaced these civic cruisers with the one from Carbon, particularly when Neville took out one of these or when you getting Busted, since it's noticeably more detailed than the in game counterpart

[@Enchilada750]

I was with you until you dissed the legendary Crown Victoria, also, gatekeeping Most Wanted fandom much?

[@DaRealBruner]

@@Enchilada750 you're readin' way too into this bruh, that isn't what I meant in the slightest.

[@Juozapas001]

i'm sure somebody else already mentioned this, but i honestly love the fictional cars that were a collaborations with *actual* vehicle designers. while i'm not that very familiar on the subject, but know an example or 2 of that, X2011 in gran turismo games, for instance. adrian newey, the biggest brain, right now behind redbull's domination in F1? he designed that. i find those to be hellava interesting interpretations of how "future" or "held back by no rules" concepts are.

[@arandominternetperson4462]

I've always appreciated fictional cars. So much in fact, that when I play FiveM I always pick fictional cars. Licensed cars and GTA don't mix well for me. 😅

[@Ccccc-mi3tr]

Gta would not be the same with real cars it would suck and fanboys would care to much about the car sounds ect

[@FrozenDrone12]

I hope R* can make the racing games based on the vehicle brand universe from GTA they maybe can't revive Midnight Club anymore but I think they have potential to make another racing games based on GTA cars universe

[@JadeyM.TheSecond]

It would be nice if the game has good car sounds, you know?

[@alexsaffamerica]

But then later GTA Online vehicles and GTA 6 vehicles started looking too identical to their real-life counterparts. This is because Rockstar decided to outsource the modeling to Rockstar India and trained them poorly, because GTA vehicles, especially the ones that appear in GTA 4 and the 2013-2015 run of GTA 5, have a sense of creativity and stylization to them, which newer GTA models struggle to replicate.

[@evilbabai7083]

Same goes for any licensed assets. In terms of vehicles - plane games are affected as much as racing games. In particular, Ace Combat series has some great games in it, but only the latest instance is available for purchase. At the first glance that's a platform isue - most of them are on PS1/PS2, but one of them was released on all platforms and have been on Steam for quite awhile, yet was delisted soon after Ace Combat 7 was released. And there's no other obvious reason for that other than game wasn't profitable enough to bother with licensing issues. For the same reasons remasters of the previous games are also unlikely - the development alone would take an effort that might not turn profit, not to mention the licensing. Using fictional aircraft could've solved the issue, but AC series, despite having totally fictional setting, wagered on the recognisable planes, which at the time wasn't a problem and helped a lot, but made a series hostage to the real brands in its turn. To be fair, they tried to step away from it in AC3 by shifting the setting to a not so distant future, allowing them to use inspired designs instead of a real ones together with a purely fictional models without changing the existing canon, but mistakes made during the late development and marketing stages left EU/US version heavily pared-down and unfinished, damaging global sales and reputation of otherwise great game, making devs to abandon any daring experiments for good. Thus ironic that Project Wingman, a game which have been heavily inspired by Ace Combat, will outlast AC7 despite being an indie game, because it uses inspired (yet recognisable) plane designs from the get go, so it can stay on the shelves indefinitely. In fact, this game cold be one of the best examples on how to combine real world references without touching upon any real world politics or brands - game is set on a post-apocalyptic Earth that went through a global natural disaster that changed its face and nearly wiped out the mankind, so even the chronology counts down from After the Calamity, and more than two centuries from now there are no countries, nations and even landmasses as we know them, civilization has barely restored and developed upon (among other things thanks to new volatile mineral appeared during the Calamity), so futuristic tech coexists with archaic, and most of the existing planes are canonically being derivatives of an ancient airframes, origins of which no one bothered to trace down (which also explains why different factions can have access to the same models). In the end this makes much more sense in terms of world building and allows more artistic freedom, just as you've told.

[@a0001521]

>Not mentioning Soldat Raggio from Ridge Racer PSP and beyond

[@shnubdawg7730]

Burnout paradise and ridge racer have my favourite cars of all time Carson GT Concept my beloved

[@markdebruyn1212]

I think all the Burnout game have awesome fictional cars

[@t_q1799]

Personally I prefer video games with real cars, but having fictional vehicles gives you way more options and freedom (damage, modifications, customization and whatnot). BeamNG does a pretty great job with fictional vehicles, including GTA and Saints Row. They might look different but almost completely resemble their real life counterparts.

[@irvanray1898]

In the era of "Realistis racing games" where the developers no longer include fictional cars, I think the middle line is what NFS has been doing for years. A fictional modification, whenever you see the Gundam inspired RX-7 bodykit you quickly know that it came from NFS Unbound.

[@anthonylu1237]

Gran Turismo also has fictional race cars, based on the real production models. : D

[@ZAYMANGAMESTUDIO]

Vision Gran Turismo Models?

[@anthonylu1237]

@@ZAYMANGAMESTUDIO , dream race cars, like the LM editions.

[@ZAYMANGAMESTUDIO]

@@anthonylu1237 oh ok. Then, they are ok.

[@ZAYMANGAMESTUDIO]

Because, vision GT cars are kinda licensed, since they are models from real life counter parts. For example, Mazda RX-9 (Or RX-Vision). It’s a concept model made by Gran Turismo. Yet, the model belongs to Mazda.

[@scottjs5207]

I completely agree with what you were saying, but I couldn't help find it funny you were sharing the "clearly not a(n) XXXX" cars for your argument of cars you can't play anywhere else. Not saying the argument itself is flawed, but it doesn't downlplay the point a bit when you cars are just avoiding infringing on copyrights instead of "what would a Camaro, Challenger, Mustang and GTO look like mashed together?" (the starter car in Paradise), or something completely original like the most of the mid engined cars from Burnout Revenge. You know the stuff you literally cannot get anywhere else, not even the vibe, like original Hotwheels cars designs like Muscle Tone or Zotic which are definitely Muscle and exotic cars respectively, but there ain't anything like them IRL even remotely.

[@GamerAlexVideos]

Yea, some models are more unique than others, and that's why I avoided simple debadges. While some of the cars that I showed are rather close to their real-life counterparts, they are still different enough in my eyes.

[@TextilisMusic]

I know I'm a month late to the party, but I love fictional vehicles! It really allows the developers to go all out with their imagination. I LOVE the vehicles of Ridge Racer, in RR7 they even included some lore for each vehicle. And they even carry over fictional brands from each iteration. Like Kamata, Danver, Gnade and Assoluto. As an someone who's trying to make a game like Ridge Racer, I'm doing the same. Its so much fun to make vehicles unique, another fictional vehicle I absolutely love is the Quartz Regalia, square enix made some of the coolest vehicles like the Hardy Daytona and the Fenrir.

[@hihackerwerto1795]

Bro. What About The ASYM Desanne From Driver San Francisco, That Is An Iconic Saloon Car

[@GamerAlexVideos]

I do know about that car, and it's a shame that you can't drive it without mods. I always wanted to back on PS3, and now I can on PC.

[@chassy7072]

Crash n Burn brings back some seriously good memories

[@od13166]

Damage model. Codemasters enters chat. Sure they did bit downgrade some of that but recent WRC still has massive damage then forza.

[@ndh06]

Yeah, there seems to be some work around if you are licencing race spec models. I'm not entirely sure what it is, but if I had to guess, it's a not public available nature of the vehicle or the nature of having race cars, which means cars have to have a variety of bits braking. Though as a side note, the F1 games haven't gotten an overly complex damage model, and you're less likely to see massive terminal damage in codemasters games.

[@MXTV_85]

burnout and ridge racer taught me to love and respect fictional cars as fun fantastical alternatives to licensed models. to this day i can remember every car in paradise because criterion gave them all so much personality through their designs and the little descriptions in the junkyard that theyre characters in of themselves

[@mustajalal-ajal1946]

Interesting vid and valid points, also quick and straight to the point which i like. Also bro sounds like connor from dbh

[@drift_works]

the cars appeared in the MotorStorm series are my favorite ones, i really love them, great design, great charisma too

[@simecrafter7230]

My problem with fictional cars is they just don't really look right imo, they don't have the complexity and details of a real life car scanned into the game, and more often then not they will just try to replicate an irl car in the first place and it will just make them look cheap, like a mobile game avoiding licensed cars. The Crew series does fictional cars well imo, they made some fictional cars that can just be pulled straight out of the game and brought to real life and they wouldn't look uncanny the slightest

[@ryunekoyashiki]

i freakin love Motorstorm series especially the Pacific Rift 🥰

[@RagaThrone]

*Some* Hot Wheels colectors will look at the Bone Shaker, the sickest hot rod ever concieved and say with a straight face: ''this sucks''.

[@BmikroB]

Oh man, the Split Second cars are just :chef's kiss: gorgeous, to say the least. Especially Ryback Mohawk & Cobretti Slipstream, those are my all-time favorites from the game. Yeah... this game is bloody fantastic if you ask me.

[@minoassal]

The Race Driver GRID garage soundtrack😤👌🔥

[@f.o.8547]

I love the Wombat Typhoon and Wulff Bolter

[@FranquitoMV2004]

What i like of fictional cars is that they can be seen as a proof of how creative the Devs are and what they end up with to release for us, all of GTA's vehicles are not real but really inspired & similar to their real live models, the Hot Wheels custom models are just amazing, the Beck Kustoms in NFS 2015 was incredible, the Proto & Creators cara on The Crew 2 & The Crew Motorfest are very weird in som ways and that makes them cool, you dont see a Russian supercharged V8 Ice Cream Truck racing in Rally courses or a very radical pointy F1 car going over 350 mph on an island full of boost pads, the Quartz Regaloa from Final fantasy, the Warthog from Halo & the Quartz Regalia from Cyberpunk all came ro Forza Horizon at some point, and although not being the most noticeable cars in the game, they are very cool still

[@las10plagas]

I understand your point, but yesterday I bought a *Lancia Delta S4* in a game and it made me *really happy* ;-) I think game companies (that can afford licenses) should just make better deals (I know there are industry wide standards, but still). I would never make a deal where it says I can't sell my game anymore after so and so many years... that's just *plain stupid* O__o but of course perfect for EA and a like to sell us a new game, which is exactly the same as the one before 😭

[@JG9Youtube]

Even more so these days. I don't want to drive no stupid Cybertruck or that gutless Taycan in videogames. I'd prefer the dystopia to be kept away from entertainment, but that seems to be a pipe dream these days.

[@PootisMayo]

With fictional cars in video games, they are very nice to drive, and they also are a nice source of inspiration!

[@omarmejia7609]

For the red car in the thumbnail, I knew it was the HSK75 from Full Auto 2 Battlelines. Fantastic looking A class model.

[@GamerAlexVideos]

It's one of my favorite fictional renditions of the Ford GT. It looks so good!

[@omarmejia7609]

@@GamerAlexVideos One of my favorite ones off the top of my head would be Kinetic or specter simply due to how fun they were to drive and how fast they were. Outlaws fine too but too little weapon capacity.

[@xenoyparxi]

I'm baffled BeamNG wasn't mentioned 😤

[@GamerAlexVideos]

I almost did, but I was focusing more on just racing games in this video. That meant any open world games (GTA) or sandbox driving games (BeamNG.drive) weren't going to be included.

[@acecarrera1]

Sega could revive its Outrun Coast 2 Coast with fictional cars from Outrunners.

[@luxerhusku2609]

Getting attached to a roster of completely different cars can be a problem to many people who prefer licensed vehicles. Sure, they can almost look like their real life counterpart, but again, it just wouldn't fell the same to them. It's like sports games where every sports fan want real teams and players in their games because they're attached to them. If you don't have them, they'll less likely be interested.

[@pasqualedimariano2759]

I was playing Flatout UC and I stumble into your video. What a coincidence.....

[@DylanFrenzy]

Full auto being mentioned is a nice suprise, love that game!

[@GamerAlexVideos]

The first Full Auto is one of my favorite racing games, so it definitely needs a mention!

[@LiquaFusion]

honestly I wish every driving game did what Wreckfest does, just take real cars and debadge them so that you can make crazy damage models and customization without having to worry about or pay for licensing at all Wreckfest literally has cars like a Nissan Fairlady Z or a 1968 Ford Mustang or a Mini Cooper but they get away with it just cuz they're debadged, it's great (P.S. hearing "gaLardo at 5:51 lowkey triggered me cuz two Ls next to each other indicates a Y sound in spanish, Gallardo is a spanish word)

[@GamerAlexVideos]

I do prefer more unique designs rather than debadges, as I like to see what modelers can come up with. At least in both situations, it allows for the damage models regardless. Also, I'm notorious for mispronouncing words / names, so unsurprisingly I got Gallardo wrong 🙃

[@ndh06]

I kinda wish that the devs patch in a debadge mod when the licenses expire and still sell the game. Though this would hurt people who bought the game unless they patch affects only those who buy it outside the license period. I just don't see the devs having the time or profit motivation to do this.

[@GamerAlexVideos]

@ndh06 Something similar happened to World Racing 2, where they had to remove the badges and tweak models to get it onto Steam.

[@ndh06]

@@GamerAlexVideos neat, I didn't know that. Shame it doesn't happen more.

[@carbrand7527]

The custom coupe ultimate is what made me have a change of heart for fictional cars as a child. It truly just opens man doors when u appreciate the work put into these fictional cars

[@markdebruyn1212]

Because in Burnout they look and feel like real cars, at least for me

[@vitoraugustocarlos3758]

For me, the best examples of fictional cars are the ones from the Burnout series and GTA 5. Heck, I even wished that some of the cars in GTA were real, like the Pegassi Zentorno, the Karin Sultan RS, Annis Elegy Retro, Grotti Furia, Obey 8f Drafter and Truffade Nero.

[@silverdashhd644]

i miss Ridge Racer... sadly Bandai Namco is tight with DRSP and WMMT sorry for those who doesn't what those are. :v

[@KamataArushi410]

Its their 30th anniversary too but they just made the franchise as collab material to MILK drift spirits. I fucking hate this game so much due to its gacha stuff and long grinding for gold

[@TorchicNidoran1994]

Glad to see MotorStorm Apocalypse and Dirt Showdown getting the love and respect they deserve!

[@armyguy5000]

The king is back!

[@nFyrin]

I was thinking about playing PJC2 again and buying it on steam because I can't be bothered with my old PS4 only to find it delisted because the manufacturer licenses expired. I think it would be very interesting so see a new racing sim IP with original vehicles and tracks.

[@bitelaserkhalif]

Beamng, while they don't market themselves as race sims, it's similar to race sim in handling regard

[@laduwade9977]

Burnout and Ridge Racer has fictional vehicles

[@4storyboss]

i think hotwheels unleashed and other hotwheels and die-cast company-made vehicles' (including choroQ) games partially belong amongst games with fictional vehicles