The Importance of Representation in The Owl House and Amphibia

[@METerrell]

King's dad wasn't saying that he's non-binary, but referring to the fact that he's technically King's mom as well as dad, which is why he said "But dad works too." So that means that King, if he wants to start a family, can do so through parthenogenesis/asexual reproduction.

[@GooseEnthused]

I think both were the implication there. The line “best of both things” especially implies to me that kings dad is some flavor of nonbinary. Nonbinary people can still use gendered honorifics if they feel like it!

[@SwearJar1]

I just thought it was a refrence from s1 e16

[@METerrell]

@@SwearJar1 It was that too.

[@Keith_Norman]

Yeah that's what I got too but I was believed he was just saying that as more of a joke about what his son calls him rather than actually non-binary

[@emmayin1419]

Bigender

[@devoleon26]

This is why the owl house is such an important show to me. I was raised in a pretty homophobic household, and thus my perception of the LQBTQ+ community was rather skewed. I watched the first episode of the owl house around when it first aired, and was intrigued by what I saw. Time went on, episodes aired, and then the first Lumity cheek kiss happened. I had dismissed previous signs as simply gals being pals and what not, but this was something I couldn’t justify for myself I guess is the best way I can think of to put it. I was too invested in the show and its characters to just drop it at this point, so I went on with a “I don’t have to agree” kind of mindset. As their relationship progressed, I found myself delighted by how adorable they were together, and this was kind of when the flaws of my upbringing were shattered and I realized that being queer isn’t some perversion of things or morally wrong or anything like that, it’s just people wishing to be true to themselves and loving who they wish to however they wish to. The Owl House ultimately put me on the path to where I am today as last year I realized I was panromantic asexual, and am currently in my gender panic arc. It’s been a heck of a ride, but thanks to Dana Terrace for giving me a nudge in the right direction to finally starting to feel like myself ^_^

[@exlipse3813]

I'm glad you figured yourself out!!!!

[@Oceane1803]

It's great that it helped you. I wish my father would watch these shows, but not only is he transphobic and refuses to gender me correctly despite saying he accepts my transidentity, he also refuses to try the stuff I like most of the time, when I always make an effort to try the stuff he likes.

[@devoleon26]

@@Oceane1803 I’m sorry about your situation. My parents are barely accepting me in my queerness, and frankly don’t know about nor would ever accept my transness. I commend you in your bravery for coming out to them, and I wish you the best of luck in your life and circumstances. If there’s anything I know from my life’s journey it’s that things will get better

[@Oceane1803]

@@devoleon26 Aww thanks ^^

[@Justy_cz]

That's not the right direction...

[@kid14346]

"None of us can relate to being trapped in a world of talking frogs." Speak for yourself, you don't know what I've been through!

[@smleyd172]

👁️👁️w h a t

[@kid14346]

@@smleyd172 You don't know my life or what frog dimensions i may or may not have visited!

[@smleyd172]

@@kid14346 oooo i seee

[@MelonLord379]

I went to Amphibiland in my mind. XD Pilot reference

[@kid14346]

The Titan in Owl house is also technically intersex and/or hermaphroditic since it is implied that he is both the male and female parent of King. This would make titans operate like many real world species that have both sexes present and can chose to reproduce asexually or sexually with others of their species. Side note hermaphrodite is not used when discussing people as it can be a slur, but when discussing biological stuff the term is used with species that can fully reproduce with both sex organs. Intersex is what is used to describe people who display both male and female sex characteristics as there has never been a documented case of 'true hermaphroditism' in humans.

[@reginaldwalden7650]

I related a lot to Amphibia because I work as a seasonal park ranger, which involves frequently moving between different remote locations. The show helped me come to terms with becoming fully nomadic after my family sold their house.

[@mayracordero382]

I agree with that and I related to amphibia as well.

[@MelonLord379]

Yes, Amphibia rules!!!! Being a park ranger sounds awesome!! I have thought about becoming a park ranger someday because I love nature and animals but I would LOVE to become a book author!!! You're so lucky with your job! Spranne against the world!

[@steverukia6247]

Hey I wanted to ask how is your job. Is it nice and would you recommend it? I'm thinking f becoming one myself so explain in great detail plz

[@steverukia6247]

@@MelonLord379 dude were in the same boat 👀 hows all that going for ya

[@christopherrichards2350]

The Owl House is my personal favorite animated series and I love its neurodivergence and LGBT representation. I do love other shows like Amphibia and The Ghost and Molly McGee

[@mayracordero382]

I love the ghost and molly mcgee and amphibia and happy pride month!

[@christopherrichards2350]

@@mayracordero382 Happy Pride Month!

[@stachu5049]

I was a half-homophobe (I didn't hate anyone but I was still under some propaganda) and Owl House helped me get over it, thank God. It's really important to show kids and teens like me that it's all perfectly normal

[@jacktherabbit2238]

So your a larper with poor understanding of a wide scope, got it.

[@gryficowa]

@@jacktherabbit2238 ...

[@vstro_i]

I would also like to add that the owl house ALSO has AMAZING neurodivergent representation. Primarily in Luz (confirmed neurodivergent, up to interpretation but largely regarded as having adhd). And as someone myself who has adhd (diagnosed) it is AMAZING. Like the way she is bullied and an outcast, no friends, anxious to talk to other people for fear of being bullied and not wanting to mask, it’s so accurate! Edit: I was focusing on the more negative aspects, but the creativity and “new angle” and impulsiveness are also amazing to see and I relate to just as much) Then there’s also Gus and Hunter (I believe Gus has autism and hunter has ptsd). It’s all handled so seriously, along with other mental health issues of people pleasing, grief, and depression. It’s just so well done and I probably wouldn’t have liked the show as much without it. P.S. (me and my sibling (who also has adhd AND autism (both diagnosed) we both think that Sprig has adhd and autism. His i attentiveness, hyperactivity, compulsiveness, and especially his sensory issues. How he wants to touch everything and in the movie theater couldn’t deal with the loud sounds, it’s exactly like my sibling (and me slightly but mostly my sibling). So although not spotlighted, I really appreciated that even if it’s not canon)

[@michalelkin-bronner7958]

she became a outcast because she put people in danger and sprig cancily has adhd

[@vstro_i]

@@michalelkin-bronner7958 not just that she put people in danger, it was because she was viewed as “not normal” and “weird” (I’m just saying it is good representation) and sprig does have adhd confirmed off camera, you’re right I forgot to mention that. (I was also partially mentioning autism and adhd combined too tho)

[@michalelkin-bronner7958]

@@vstro_i the so called weird things wernt not so harmless weird they were things that could people who want to be friends with someone who puts people in danger if she read the kids one of her fanstay books or showed them one of her amv she would have easily made friends its just the show is trying to paint luz as in the right for all the things she did

[@michalelkin-bronner7958]

@@vstro_i stop trying to excuse her actions

[@dylansharp8471]

@@michalelkin-bronner7958 How bout YOU see the bigger picture when it comes to Luz.

[@KiwiLuvsPieOfficial]

As a southeast Asian (Im Khmer, which is very similar/close to Thai people and Thailand), Amphibia has always stuck out to me. I haven’t watched the show entirely but seeing tit bits of Anne dressed up in traditional Thai clothing and just having her as a character in general really makes me feel appreciated :) On top of Raya being out recently, SEA have been getting much more love than in the past ❤

[@docfox4353]

As a cis-straight Jewish 18 yr. Old on the Autistic Spectrum, I can empathize with Anne’s struggles of fitting in, and Luz not being like everyone else, even though I’m not an immigrant or identify as LGTBQIA+. I also resonate with Anne and Luz’s struggles of not knowing what life will be like in the future, as well as poor self-esteem. I would love to see a video from you on neurodivergence

[@zangebismefe]

Explains autism

[@mindyminds32]

This also one of the reason why these are my favorite shows now, cause its really rare too see any cartoons represent stuff like this and boy im glad these shows gives these representations very well! This is the new generation of cartoons is here! And Happy pride month!!

[@mayracordero382]

They're both my favorite shows ans happy pride month to you!

[@mindyminds32]

@@mayracordero382 I agree so much and thank youu!! You too!! ^^

[@georgequellhorst8320]

Thank you pointing out that Anne's journey to Amphibia is really an immigrant story. I totally missed that.

[@raheemaslam7363]

My only problem with that is that if we’re applying that to Sasha then it paints a poor picture

[@everettatwater2939]

How?

[@000Dragon50000]

Another aspect of rep in amphibia more in line with the subtle hinting of older shows is that the staff of the show have gone on record saying that while they didn't confirm any particular relationship between the 3 main girls, that was more so not to upset shippers of the character left out of that. On top of that they added moments that could be interpreted as romantic chemistry between all three possible pairings, but left it at that for the aforementioned reason. The fandom however, instead of collapsing into a shipping war like was usual for television at the time, just decided the calamity trio was a polycule lol. (And even tho it's just implied it's done a lot of the same stuff for polyamorous people that the early implied queerness of the 2010s did for LGBT+ people.)

[@WDB2005]

Amphibia Fandom is the main reason polyamory hasn’t gotten more popular as of now

[@000Dragon50000]

@@WDB2005 I have literally been part of the online poly community around when Amphibia was airing and there WAS a surge of new interest and curious people during the show's runtime specifically because of the show... so you're just flatly wrong there.

[@WDB2005]

@@000Dragon50000 Oh, my bad. I just noticed it getting popular during Amphibia’s third season that’s all

[@000Dragon50000]

@@WDB2005 That's... literally the opposite of your first comment? I'm confused now.

[@WDB2005]

@@000Dragon50000 I wasn’t actually, the first comment i mentioned polyamory becoming extremely popular with Sashannarcy and the second comment I kind of said the same thing it just sounds like the opposite

[@drkn0ckers715]

Representation is so important. I tick all three of the minority boxes in the video but my favorite bit of representation ever is in something I've never experienced. Until TOH I never knew how much I needed to see a character like Eda and the portrayal of her physical disability. Idle Scree has an amazing video talking about this which I cannot recommend enough.

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 Man, I'm about to buy you a pacifier for the baby

[@isaacstevenson2960]

I think what makes representation in shows like Amphibia, Owl House, and so many other shows and movies work best is because we get a first hand look of the characters in their communities. While I’m not a member of the LGBTQ+ community or live in a background like Anne’s I like the representation not necessarily because it’s there(but I am glad it’s there and is very nice and even important and by no means am I trying to say it’s a bad thing, it’s far far from a bad thing)but because I care about the characters. Representation is a great thing but what makes it work so well is that the characters that are being represented are treated like well round three dimensional people just like everyone else. To me, it doesn’t matter what age, race, sexuality, or gender a character is or what’s being represented. Just as long as the background and characters in it are treated with respect and advance them as people for them to be relevant to the story(or even just in a casual way where the background and characters in it are seen as completely normal), it definitely earns my respect. And for Amphibia and the Owl House, both do that spectacularly well.

[@AceOfStars0]

I love Luz's friend group mostly containing of queer people. It really is accurate to a lot of queer peoples' friends. I have a lot of friends who are queer, neurodivergent, and of different races, it just feels accurate. (sorry if I said that wrong, I'm white lol)

[@immastupido587]

I am surprised that you dont have so many Likes ?!? Like YOUR VIDEO IS CUT SO GOOD and your commentary is stunning ✨❤

[@MarngelRambles]

Thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate it ☺️

[@BluestoneBeau]

What I like about Luz is she is not just a standard Latina, in fact as far as I can see she has Latinx on her father's side and afro Latinx on her mother's side, I'm all hear for this, as far as I'm concerned there should be more Latinx and afro Latinx visiblity in Latina representation.

[@KenH60109]

The scary thing is that (yes I'm gonna get political and I'm sorry) on the more conservative side, they view the representation as some sort of form of propaganda rather than teaching kids that this is fine in the real world, you know, common sense.

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 Ok, fascist weirdo

[@03mbc]

Yep some of my favorite is Luz & Amity Luna & Sam And a few others plus I get to learn about new things about like wow

[@hybridvenom9]

Spider man movie in 10 seconds now or down or just mention your favorite one

[@03mbc]

@@hybridvenom9 what are you talking about 😅

[@hybridvenom9]

@@03mbc What's your favorite spider-man movie? or what is your favorite spider-man movie but in 10 seconds that what i was telling you

[@03mbc]

@@hybridvenom9 Across the Spider Verse

[@hybridvenom9]

@@03mbc i still need to see that but for me it's spider-man into the spider verse

[@pickleBOB405]

I haven't seen the whole video yet, but i'm excited! From what i've seen this deserves more viewers! :)

[@fizzlewizard404]

2:51 just as a little add on that i see people forget about sometimes, Dana has stated that the Collector canonically goes by he/him & they/them pronouns! While that wasn't really made clear on-screen until season 3, i just thought I'd bring it up because I think it's neat, just in case you didn't know or forgot to include that here

[@wendiwasden7088]

Representation matters a lot, if I had a show growing up that didn't treat being gay like a punchline and actually took it seriously I might've realized I was queer much earlier in life

[@jojotheswede8444]

Relatable

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 Stop being a clown

[@josephedmondson1969]

I've never given it much thought before, but the fact that cartoons are starting to showcase more queer representations is actually a breath of fresh air! The LGBTQ+ has been stigmatized for so long, it's good seeing that media is starting to head into a new direction for a change! Especially in kid's media. Children growing up thinking that they're not normal for being who they are is detrimental on their minds. And it's shows like these that encourages kids to be brave, and most important to be them!

[@Mrcleanfrfr]

@@PigmanPlaysOfficial It's pretty normal actually

[@grimm516]

Lol this video is so good, to help people understand especially people not in either group the value of representation is, I see all to often people commenting or saying rep is not necessarily or y do we need it. So I say again videos like this are super need Ps I'm in both groups ( Thai & lgbtqia+) so I connect with both shows and love them both. 🎉🎉🎉

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 -_-

[@mileslugo6430]

I had arguments about Q. representation in Amphibia and no one even mentioned the human portion. Just the Calamity Trio, I know it's weird to make that differentiation.

[@coleodonoghue2981]

I think the way representation in media should be showed through ways that don’t make them a big deal because then it can feel like there just using it to draw attention to the show maybe the real beauty is that it isn’t some kind of huge plot twist or something and is just seen as normal in society

[@connorthompson8376]

#lumity #LGBTQIA+ #Pride #Pride2023 #TheOWLHOUSE #RememberTheOwlHouse #TheOWLHOUSESpinOffSeries #AnimationDeservesBetter

[@mofthemoth5755]

As a burmese person, I've never felt represented by any media in my life, probably because there isnt a lot of southeast asian rep. But seeing anne made me feel so seen. Myanmar and Thailand are neighbouring countries and have a lot of things in common culture wise. Thailand also has an large burmese community. Ive also been to thailand multiple times so idk, seeing anne made me feel represented

[@johnseymore4774]

Thumbnail hitting me like "You gay or something?" "I'm Thai"

[@starryskies0]

😂😂

[@WDB2005]

She’s a LesbiAnne or PAnnesexual 😂 I’m sorry couldn’t resist the joke

[@dirtdoes6272]

I loved Marcy because she was so much like me. I never related to any of the amazing characters of The Owl House as much of Amphibia’s characters which grew and changed as the story progressed.

[@andalilbitqueer]

this kind of representation is exactly while i will never stop defending Steven Universe; as a queer filipino.

[@hana_flower875]

Yeah, Steven Universe is weirdly over hated. But it's thanks to Steven that we have shows like The Owl House

[@cactusmangaming]

@@hana_flower875last i checked it seemed more like gravity falls

[@wishfool2367]

This was a really good video!

[@JeffUni]

I felt so right saying ew to Velma💀

[@bdariamihaela]

You cannot tell me that Toh is not a neurodivergent show

[@tackyinbention6248]

Oh it absolutely is! Luz is canonically neurodivergent and while it's not confirmed what she has, its heavily implied to be ADHD.

[@audiobooksforfree7857]

I thought Gus was autistic, because he gets overwhelmed easily and has hyper fixations.

[@olleselin]

Happy Pride Month, everyone!!! 🌈🏳️‍🌈❤️

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 Ok, fascist

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 Blah blah blah

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 🍼🍼🍼

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 XDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@bananaxoonana8131]

i think the best example of chronically online is me questioning what pride flag was behind Anne in the thumbnail 💀

[@WDB2005]

I love what both these shows stand for really. Lumity is definitely top 10 for me (currently ranks #2 behind Sashannarcy) and Amphibia’s rep for other countries ranks at the top for me

[@ewsstudios]

2:58 From My Experiences Most Of The Aro-Ace Community Prefers Being Called Aro-Ace Instead Of Aromantic-Asexual. (Opinion From Me As Aro-Ace Myself)

[@exlipse3813]

HAPPY PRIDE!! :3

[@seanalailima5929]

Owl House episode with Hop Pop book?

[@alexandruulesan7009]

I kinda got mad at one point when people started saying The Proud Family had the first LGBT+ lead, even though that was only revealed in the revival series that premiered 2 years after The Owl House

[@Oceane1803]

A lot of people make a meme out of this Gravity Falls scene, as if it wasn't the original intent for it to criticize LGBTphobes, even though I'm pretty sure it is.

[@gryficowa]

No, Alex Hirsch wanted to include LGBT+ threads, but Disney wouldn't let him

[@Oceane1803]

@@gryficowa I know -_-

[@gryficowa]

@@Oceane1803 Okay, I read it wrong (English is not my first language)

[@Oceane1803]

@@gryficowa It's okay, it's not my first language either.

[@rinokumera5907]

Disney cancaled Owl house because it was too hard for them to censor the lbtq stuff. Imagine the most representation obsessed company there is doing that.

[@LoveFreak18]

I really don't mind representation, just don't bash us over the head with it. I enjoyed watching the owl house, I didn't really care for the representation stuff as it seemed to be shoe horned in to meet some kind of diversity quota, or maybe it's just fans trying to inject themselves in to the characters.

[@sasamichan]

If you want to dive in to representation and look at how it used to be compared to how it is now, ask me. I'll be assembling a list soon and if you want to go over the list of shows together we can. I want to look at how it used to be vs how it is now. and I think that is what's important. Show characters who are different. Have them act normal. Win people over. Too many LGBT people and minorities want to be very in your face with rep and that makes that rep too ham fisted. It fails to work It If you want to win people over the characters need to feel normal and a lot of other shows made by main stream people play up the stereotypes of a thing they are not part of and that also gets it wrong. The representation feels corporately mandated and token or offensive then.

[@RatBagel]

While I agree with your overall idea, I would like to say lgbt rep used to be very seldom and built on stereotypes a lot. The point of lumity is for it to be a good romance and for it to give lgbt people visibility instead of it being just two side characters getting into a relationship. If lumity was a straight couple I don't think it would seem as in your face, as it would just be seen as the norm. It would just be seen as a couple in the show. The biggest scene I can think of that was actually over the top was Luz coming out, but I honestly think that scene was a final "fuck you" to Disney. The tunnel of love was for comedic affect. The other lgbt characters in the show such as Raine are literally just existing and there is no possible way anybody could see that as over the top unless they were somewhat of a homophobe. I think lumity makes sense being over the top because it's a relationship between two main characters.

[@sasamichan]

@@RatBagel definitely Im going to be building a list of shows starting with the ones I saw when I was younger and ending with the most recent and including every one not just LGBT should you care to discuss farther.

[@Rat_Bagel]

@@sasamichan (SAME PERSON DIFFERENT ACOUNT BY THE WAY) Sorry, I have trouble understanding comments sometimes haha, do you think you could word that better?

[@sasamichan]

@@Rat_Bagel I made a list of TV shows that have black representation. I made a list of TV shows that have female representation I made a list of TV shows that have handicap and disabled representation I made a list of shows that have Asian Representation. I Made a list of shows that have Hispanic Representation. I made a list of shows with Native American representation. I made a list of shows with LGBT representation These lists are on my channel under play lists If you wish to know the names of the shows on the lists for your own video essay or for privet discussion I will read back the names of shows that are on one of these lists. Or j f not know I was agreeing with you. My findings have been that We put a lot more effort into Black and Female representation then in to any other category. Also LGBT themed shows with a positive image did not happen until very recently. any issues people have with different cultures comes from lack of exposure to them and lack of communication with them.

[@Rat_Bagel]

@@sasamichan Ok thanks for wording that better! I’ll look at your playlist!

[@omogisalu]

i love all the stuff in most show'z

[@swift-zi4ou]

As an openly gay guy, I agree that queer/neurodivergent/ethnic and/or racial minority rep is very important in tv shows/movies, especially kids media. hopefully it will help kids grow and learn that its not weird to be in a minority, and to let your pride shine! P.S That meme at the start. Perfect

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 After all, these series have a plot, but you won't watch them because you're a bigot

[@ThatBooCarlos]

Yes

[@The_VHS]

TOH also has some important Neurodivergent representation. Luz is confirmed to have ADHD and that was one of the main reasons she left to go to the Demon Realm and stayed there, because she was gonna be put into some camp thing because she was "different" to learn to focus, so she stayed in the Demon Realm because it doesn't matter if you are "weird" or not. Also it has a lot of Disability representation, like Eda's curse is done extremely well and important to the plot. I am glad that TOH does a lot to add representation to the show and make it important, they do it well and accurate too.

[@michalelkin-bronner7958]

no she was sent to the summer camp to teach her burndories she brought spiders snakes and fire works being weird is okay but disrespecting burndories isnt yes it says think inside of the box but its only extratred because luz saw it as bad vee and the others were able to have fun at the camp and not change how they are

[@The_VHS]

If I am understanding your message correctly, I believe you are misunderstanding the main message of the show.

[@michalelkin-bronner7958]

@@The_VHS dont deny that what luz did was wrong

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 -_-

[@gryficowa]

@@michalelkin-bronner7958 You are an abelist and you don't understand how ADHD works...

[@emiljannbrahmeyer]

I can remember the moment very well when I watched the video about all Luz and Amity moments of The Owl House. This is the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nX6acoVjmNZopNU And when I was watching this video, I felt many butterflies in my stomach. My heart was flooded with very strong spring feelings when I saw the love moments between Luz and Amity. Watching the enchantingly beautiful love moments between these two very attractive girls really makes me feel as though I am floating on pink clouds in the highest floors of heaven. I feel that way deep in my heart and soul. In fact, when I see the two girls kissing, it evokes strong feelings of happiness in me.

[@josteinhenrique2779]

3:54 Honestly, I really didn't like Mr. X. Besides being too stereotypical, is really weird to put an insert of a real-life celebrity on a kids show like this. It's kinda like putting an insert of Schwarzenegger as Conan in "Sofia the First".

[@rileyanthony]

I’m apart of the Nero divergents community but I’m always asking these 2 question1 how is representation in media good thing? And 2 why when any kind of diversity is in a tv show or movie why dose it boil down to being considered woke or ends getting slammed for not having enough representation in a movie or tv show ? as I’m always asking these 2 questions.

[@angelsspace1002]

Representation in media is a good thing as it shows other especially young child they aren't alone and that's their others out there like them, will help more people be aware different queer identities, ND disorders, different religions or ethnic groups ext ext and a lot of these points will help those who aren't in any of these minorities to be better allies it could also help de-stigmized ND disorders and teach more people about them this is a good thing as it could increase the number of people diagnosed so less people will grow up struggling without any help or accommodations, another good thing about this is less people will have hurtful views on ND people and they are less likely to vilianized people with these traits 2, because people are assholes. No matter what people will always find ways to hate on a show, movie, piece of media ext and call it "too woke" there is no avoiding this

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 Stop crying

[@lailawest6956]

Another show I think does this well is Craig of the creek

[@toongrowner1]

let me change the thumbnail: "Why actual good representation matters!" You know, actual new characters with their own new wonderfull stories to tell instead of lazy second hand me outs. I sometimes can't believe these are disney shows.

[@brainsman3243]

it seems to me that the addition of such characters only inflames hatred: in countries where it is forbidden they are not shown, that is, the show shoots itself in the head, for example, russia, and there is a large market (although when sanctions do not really affect), ukraine (at one time this country saved Star vs. the Forces of Evil, which was very popular there, and more people watched it on the air than in the United States). adding LGBT representatives can be good, but not directly, although it’s better not to do this at all, otherwise everything will affect the rating exactly. remember gravity falls? they didn’t show this directly more than once, except perhaps the sheriffs, but even then they look like typical friends from Disney, like goofy and donald and what do we see? the show has a huge audience all over the world because they were shown everywhere. would it be worse without lgbt? No. would it be better with this? neither, and in terms of views there would be a loss what about the owl house? after the addition of LGBT everywhere, starting from the second season, they began to ban the owl house and instead of season 3 we have 3 4-minute episodes with poor graphics (look at how witches descend in the last episode, it's horrible) and in the same Ukraine it was never shown at all even with an amphibian, although the situation is better there, in Russia they simply made a man with Olivia's partner and they calmly showed season 3 there. although in Ukraine everything was banned from the second season. draw your own conclusions

[@gryficowa]

Wait, Ukraine is queerphobic?

[@ShadowPenguin]

Star was the first Bi character

[@hybridvenom9]

By the way i want to make a joke i do not know what flag that is but I'm in 🇺🇸

[@UrLocalHellspawn]

That fact you put 30 And I have 30

[@enderfire7214]

More ethnic representation!

[@gryficowa]

@sjwsmasher4398 -_-

[@TheCollecter4ever]

OMG OMG OMG SHES THAI???? I NEVER KNEW WHY DID NO ONE YELL ME IM THAI AND I NEED TO WATCH THIS SHOW LIKE OMG

[@ninatheperson]

It’s an amazing show!

[@TheCollecter4ever]

@@ninatheperson YRS I WATCHED IT ITS SOOOO GOOD

[@Hufflepuff_Studios]

Ok, call me when they represent a Christian character in a positive light, even in older movies.

[@RDrawzDragonz]

For starters, Robin Hood, the church priest guy is seen in a good light.

[@gryficowa]

Man, you guys were antagonizing other religions and atheists/agnostics

[@Ruler_of_theUniverse]

There’s no other cartoon- She-ra Especially in Disney Ok yeah

[@mileslugo6430]

Try just a rainbow, that doesn't even go across the horizon or come up over the tree line

[@Hexsmasher2099]

2:47 Don’t you mean genderfluid?

[@hyalophora]

No. He never implied that his gender fluctuated.

[@bristleflight303]

I tried watching amphibia. I watched season one and I was bored so ya I like the owl house better as a queer person myself I relate, also the characters are more likable, like when I'm comparing Eda to hop hop I love Eda way more, or luz to Ann I still like luz more, or you get it. Idk also I like bi better than amphibia

[@hyalophora]

Yeah I watched both shows all the way through and wasn't a big fan of Amphibia tbh

[@8is]

I think the worst offender of all media when it comes to representation is the complete lack of diversity in ideas, which is especially true for these Disney cartoons. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter if a character is cis, bi, gay, etc. since the entire point of representing that aspect of that character is to normalize it. There isn’t some moral point or interesting viewpoint beyond that. What truly makes a show interesting is the conflict of ideas, but what these shows really lack is any kind of nuance in ideas. They’re very black and white and while the main characters learn and grow, they never encounter another world view they’re forced to accept or learn from, the only other worldview they encounter is the wrong one that the villain holds. And even that worldview isn’t very clearly represented, which means that the protagonists’ opposition usually falls on the villains mischiefs rather than the villain’s evil worldviews that actually makes the villain evil. All in all, the main character and the rest of the cast share pretty much the same ideas and worldview. I would honestly love a show where people who are socially conservative, believe in objectivist moral philosophy, is a stoic, is a nationalist, religious, etc. are not just represented but also get to interact. And what also important is for that interaction to be woven into the story so it doesn’t come of as forced or even as filler (through really interesting filler). I think shows really reflect their creators. While they have a lot of LGBT people on the staff, they probably think very alike and they probably succumb to a lot of groupthinking, not in the development of the show but for the ideas presented in the show. There is probably very few socially conservative people on the staff that makes these shows, which means that they are rarely represented at all. That in turn probably leads to a lot of people who don’t already think exactly like the people who made the shows to be disengaged with the show as if it is actively ignoring them. But again, these shows are made for kids who don’t have a complete worldview to begin with. But I think this is still a big problem that exist within all of media, a lack of representation in ideas. I really hope will we more actual representation or else I think it will only lead to even more polarization and groupthinking.

[@PigmanPlaysOfficial]

0:13 me on jun first

[@illmentaly]

Wasnt star butterfly the first bi character?

[@Mrcleanfrfr]

Technically yes

[@michalelkin-bronner7958]

she isnt bi in cannon she might have not have had a crush on that girl and even if she did she was only shown liking girls once in you blink and you miss it kinda scene

[@illmentaly]

@@michalelkin-bronner7958 but she's wearing the bi flag

[@michalelkin-bronner7958]

@@illmentaly yeah but still not cannon

[@illmentaly]

@@michalelkin-bronner7958 oh ok

[@timgorg1919]

Shit, once again curiosity leads me to hate a show. I wish I haven't seen this

[@timgorg1919]

@@Your_Local-Idiot I am sick of this wokeness. And I thought Amphibia was calm.

[@timgorg1919]

@@Your_Local-Idiot ...

[@michalelkin-bronner7958]

@@timgorg1919 its not wokeness and you should have known lgbtq plus will be in this video based on the tittle and thumbinal and really you didnt realize there was any representation in the show at all yeah sure

[@timgorg1919]

@@michalelkin-bronner7958 It's the Thailand flag! I knew that The Owl House was woke, but Amphibia seemed normal to me. And I asked myself what kind of representation Amphibia has.

[@michalelkin-bronner7958]

@@timgorg1919 it has the pride flag and lummity was also on the thumbinal to and the owl house isnt woke and amphbima very cleraly had rep it clearly had lgbtq plus characters and a thai main character I cant belive your that stupid

[@B.K.J]

I personally don't see representation as much of a big deal. Sure, it can be cool to see a character similar to you, and I'm not saying it should never happen. However, there are much more important elements to a story than that, and I'd rather have a good story with likeable characters who happen to represent someone than a bad story with characters where the only "redeeming" quality about both is that someone out there feels represented by them. What really kills representation for many is the fact that alot of companies use it as a shield for when peoole don't like or don't watch the show or movie. When you try to shove something down my throat, don't be surprised when I fight back. I also can't stand when established characters who already have their own story, look, and fanbase are changed because of this. You want someone to be represented so bad? Then do for them what was done for other represented characters in the past.

[@michalelkin-bronner7958]

hunter being bi and willow being pan could be seen as forced lgbtq rep

[@tolvfen]

I must tell, that the Rain character gives me 70s vibes, new age or flower power, his glasses is perhaps a 70s shape,,, hope Iam wrong about it, because I can't se any other thing about him

[@Mrcleanfrfr]

Raine is Nonbinary, I agree, they do give off 70s vibes

[@tolvfen]

@@Mrcleanfrfr Nonebinary means he isn't sure if he wants a dude or a lady, if he isn't sure what he is? I noticed from the show that he seems unsure of himself, but anyone can be that

[@tolvfen]

@@sadlynotacat Isn't "they, them" a plural, how do you say they if it's one person? ,,, Perhaps what determines what is a male or female is judged in several ways, some people think like this "we are all souls, and some of us have physical bodies to be in the physical world" I assume from how/what the soul is

[@angelsspace1002]

​​@@tolvfeno they/them isn't necessarily plural as singular they/them have been used for centuries and I guarantee you have have them for one person before how you use it well simple "oh someone left THEIR water bottle here I hope THEY come and pick it up", "this is my best friend THEY used they/them pronouns, THEY are now in the our class" or "THEY ate lunch by THEMSELVES today" plenty examples of how to use singular they/them just stop being an asshole and respect pronouns it's not that difficult and costs nothing. Secondly nonbinary just means someone doesn't identify as either male or female it's not they aren't sure if their male or female they aren't neither the fact that "they don't seem to be sure about themselves" is because they are sure of themselves they know their nonbinary they just social anxiety which is nothing to do with them being nonbinary they just don't like large crowds and speaking in front of people

[@RDrawzDragonz]

Their*

[@cradica]

4:28 I can relate, I am a European American (as in my Dad's American, but my mother is European)