The impossible equation at the heart of Kepler’s laws

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Francisco G. M. Orlando, C. Farina, Carlos A. D. Zarro, P. Terra; Kepler's equation and some of its pearls. Am. J. Phys. 1 November 2018; 86 (11): 849-858.
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@WelchLabsVideo
@WelchLabsVideo 2 күн бұрын
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@stopper0203
@stopper0203 2 күн бұрын
Will your book be shipping outside America?
@Anon54387
@Anon54387 Күн бұрын
I just factor out the E, set 1-e*sin to zero and call it a day.
@akaHarvesteR
@akaHarvesteR 2 күн бұрын
Oh man this brings back memories. KSP used three different methods to compute E. The Newton-Raphson method actually turned out to be very unreliable for several cases, and would often blow up. What worked pretty well was a binary partitioning method, where you start with a large correction and half the search space at each iteration. It was slower to converge, but almost always found a decent solution. There was also a dedicated solver for extreme eccentricities, and of course another one for hyperbolic cases.
@Tuned_Rockets
@Tuned_Rockets 2 күн бұрын
Woah it's the man himself!
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 2 күн бұрын
You don't need to solve it, and that's how it is solved 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] ❤
@ionre24
@ionre24 2 күн бұрын
I was wondering how you knew this and then I saw your username. I was working on a 2d orbital space game a few years ago and I wondered how KSP calculated orbits, and I guess now I know :)
@Bizob2010
@Bizob2010 2 күн бұрын
Woah :D. Would you approach it any differently today?
@jmr5125
@jmr5125 2 күн бұрын
Do you remember under what circumstances Newton's method failed to converge for elliptical orbits? I know that hyperbolic orbits are problematic, especially with high e, but I'm surprised that Newton's method would ever fail for elliptical orbits.
@revenevan11
@revenevan11 2 күн бұрын
As a space nerd who loves this sort of math, I'm astounded that I never realized how central Kepler's equation was to the historical development of calculus!
@revenevan11
@revenevan11 2 күн бұрын
And of complex analysis, more broadly I guess.
@QuantumHistorian
@QuantumHistorian 2 күн бұрын
3:00 That's slightly off: the orbit is a parabola only at exactly e=1. For greater values of e it's a hyperbola. Not that having the right name for the right conic section is all that important here.
@PhoenixEditz69
@PhoenixEditz69 Күн бұрын
Well coincidentally, our teacher today began teaching about parabola and when he said for e=1, locus is parabola There i got confused because in the video he mentioned something else😅
@isaacclark9825
@isaacclark9825 20 сағат бұрын
@@PhoenixEditz69 If I recall correctly, a completely different approach is used for hyperbolic orbits. Parabolic orbits, which require e is exactly 1 are as rare as perfect circular orbits. We don't use Kepler's equation for that either, because we don't have to solve for E (eccentric anomaly) to get the true anomaly. We get the true anomaly directly from a much simpler equation.
@PhoenixEditz69
@PhoenixEditz69 13 сағат бұрын
@@isaacclark9825 yeah i also think in actual life parabolic trajectories are rare as nothing is perfect and hyperbolas are more relevant I dont know if im correct but this could also be the reason why we study hyperbolic geometry and spherical geometry at higher level I haven't seen many people talk about parabolic geometry specially being a high school student😅 Most of college stuff like multi variable calculus, differential equations, and astrophysics i have learnt through YT videos So finding right stuff sometimes become tricky Like why eccentricity can't be zero But rather it tends to zero🤔 Though visualy it seems correct but mathematically it's counter-intuitive
@qadirtimerghazin
@qadirtimerghazin 2 күн бұрын
While watching the part about Kepler’s numerical approach, I thought “That’s what the Newton(-Raphson) method is for…” Turns out Newton came up with it specifically for this equation!
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 2 күн бұрын
You don't need to solve it, and that's how it is solved 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] ❤
@oniondeluxe9942
@oniondeluxe9942 Күн бұрын
I experienced exactly the same thoughts. 😮 It’s so sad when I realize I have learned so many things through life, and still, my life is a failure.
@TristanPopken
@TristanPopken 2 күн бұрын
I remember trying to solve this before knowing it was a famously difficuly/impossible problem, got to the exact form of M=E-esin(E), though with different variable names, and tried to use the taylor series to make an estimate. Worked well for low eccentricities, but lets not even talk about the high ones haha. Great video about this topic, so here is a comment for the algorithm :)
@maxmn5821
@maxmn5821 2 күн бұрын
Similar thing happened to me with x+log(x)=0 For a while I refused to acknowledge the problem - this was just a boring heat exchanger, after all. Until wolfram alpha convinced me
@andrewzhang8512
@andrewzhang8512 Күн бұрын
@@maxmn5821 lambert w function moment
@unflexian
@unflexian Күн бұрын
​@@maxmn5821similar experience, banging my head against a wall trying to invent the Lambert W function until i heard about it in a blackpenredpen video
@Sluppie
@Sluppie Күн бұрын
Same. I was working on a programming project that needed to model orbits. The idea was that you had a "time slider" that you could move back and forth like a scroll bar to make the planets move around the star. I also needed to have a rocket ship that could apply thrust at specific points in time to alter orbits and transfer between different planets and the star. I thought that E would be an easy solve. I thought... I eventually just ended up taking the idea of a binary search tree and applying it to E, so that I could find it out via brute force. It worked pretty fast since I was using a computer, so I didn't worry about it too much beyond that.
@-_Nuke_-
@-_Nuke_- 2 күн бұрын
I honestly think that this is one of the best channels in all of the internet, not just KZbin. I feel blessed everytime I venture in the minds of the geniuses of our past.
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 2 күн бұрын
You don't need to solve it, and that's how it is solved 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] ❤
@marcorademan8433
@marcorademan8433 2 күн бұрын
Keplers algorithm resembles a control system closed loop in discrete steps, where the error signal is fed back with a proportional gain of 1. Some gains can make the closed loop unstable. This is an early version of a P-controller! You can analyse stability in terms of the z-transform of the open and closed loops.
@logickedmazimoon6001
@logickedmazimoon6001 2 күн бұрын
so you can make a block diagram for this equation interesting.
@paramdandekar562
@paramdandekar562 Күн бұрын
yeah lol when i saw that part that's exactly what I thought of too! now this has me wondering if newton's method can be expressed in control system terms too
@jaspervandenbosch3838
@jaspervandenbosch3838 Күн бұрын
​@paramdandekar562 It would be a PD method, since it involves both the output value at the time step (P) as well as its derivative (D)
@paramdandekar562
@paramdandekar562 Күн бұрын
@@jaspervandenbosch3838 not exactly though right? PD is when U(s)/E(s) = Kd*s + Kp, whereas Newton's method has the derivative divided by the value?
@jaspervandenbosch3838
@jaspervandenbosch3838 Күн бұрын
@paramdandekar562 Yeah, you're right it's not really a PD. I think it should be possible to express in terms of a control scheme though
@cheesedmacaroni
@cheesedmacaroni 2 күн бұрын
I have a beautiful solution to Kepler's equation, but it could not be contained within the margins of this comment section
@thesmartstickguy1145
@thesmartstickguy1145 2 күн бұрын
I get that reference
@sajjadakbar6649
@sajjadakbar6649 2 күн бұрын
Good Now i will look for your proof
@mrfarts5176
@mrfarts5176 2 күн бұрын
Ou must understand that Einsteins equations but be run assuming a flat earth. Well done...
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 2 күн бұрын
You don't need to solve it, and that's how it is solved 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] ❤
@thesmartstickguy1145
@thesmartstickguy1145 2 күн бұрын
@@VeganSemihCyprus33 Lol. It's still an unsolved problem. Did you not watch the video?
@mingmiao364
@mingmiao364 2 күн бұрын
(Edit: the last paragraph) Superb work!! It always baffles me that Lagrange inversion isn't a standard topic in Calculus courses in universities. Most equations in science and engineering are "impossible" to solve in the sense that no closed-form solutions exist. Yes, we have powerful computers to quickly obtain highly accurate numerical solutions, but an approximate, analytic solution gives a much better qualitative picture. (perhaps it is difficult to justify convergence at elementary level, i.e., without complex analysis, but the inversion technique is just too good to miss out!) And thank you very much for providing reference btw. I'd like to add one more: Theory of Functions of a Complex Variables, by Soviet mathematician Alexei. I. Markushevich, translated by Richard A. Silverman. It has an extensive treatment on the technique of inversion of power series. In particular, the power series solution to Kepler's equation is covered in Example 3, page 99, Volume II. Markushevich's treatise is also extremely thorough (more so than western classic such as Ahlfors) and is the standard reference on complex analysis in the Russian-speaking world. PS. For those who wish to learn about Lagrange inversion but without a background in complex analysis, see pp151-155 Art.125,126 of the book "an Elementary Treatise on the Differential Calculus; Containing the Theory of Plane Curves, with Numerous Examples" by Benjamin Williamson. It is an old book and is available on the Internet Archive.
@tomerpeled8922
@tomerpeled8922 2 күн бұрын
I solved it actually. Will post proof in a sec
@platymusPrime
@platymusPrime 2 күн бұрын
It’s true, he showed it to me last night
@DevangPatil-i9f
@DevangPatil-i9f 2 күн бұрын
It's true my professor told me about him
@Bombito_
@Bombito_ 2 күн бұрын
​@@platymusPrime¿In a dream with a Indian god?
@ryanschneer
@ryanschneer 2 күн бұрын
Ok Fermat
@maloxi1472
@maloxi1472 2 күн бұрын
It's been 676 seconds 😢
@siddharth-gandhi
@siddharth-gandhi Күн бұрын
Bro is single handedly bringing back the science in science education channels on YT, nothing but bravos to you! Always excited to see what you teach nexy
@darrenstensland5301
@darrenstensland5301 Күн бұрын
Well, with some help from Grant Sanderson and Maxim.
@Rubrickety
@Rubrickety 2 күн бұрын
This Kepler series has been superb. (And let’s all take a moment to thank Grant Sanderson for making Manim open source! Its signature look and power is all over KZbin these days.)
@janisir4529
@janisir4529 2 күн бұрын
A function not having analytic solution is indeed a good reason why it's hard to solve.
@carultch
@carultch Күн бұрын
I stumbled upon this equation when trying to solve the exact same thing, for a recent Walter Lewin problem about the transfer orbit to Mars. I wanted to make a Geogebra animation that showed the path of the rocket as a function of time, with Earth and Mars taking circular orbits at the same time. I derived the equation of this form, and realized there was no analytic solution, and implemented a first order use case of Newton's method to solve it.
@BernardLowe-v1w
@BernardLowe-v1w Күн бұрын
Oh, man! Believe it or not, I just started taking a course on Numerical methods recently and only 2 days before, I had a lecture on the Newton-Raphson method in class. AND, I just started learning python animations with Manim! That's how you make your videos, right? You chose the perfect time to drop this, lol. I am starting to see just how much code and time you need to devote to get these beautiful animations. Thanks for the great vid!
@markuswx1322
@markuswx1322 Күн бұрын
Years ago when learning how to compute implied interest rates and future cash flows based on the present value of an investment, I had no idea how closely these were related to fundamental problems in mechanics and other fields. Thanks for a very informative video.
@chil.6476
@chil.6476 Күн бұрын
Watching this two weeks into a complex analysis course would add do much motivation
@swamihuman9395
@swamihuman9395 2 күн бұрын
- I can't love this enough! :)
@euromicelli5970
@euromicelli5970 2 күн бұрын
Not explicitly mentioned I presume for simplicity reasons, the Newton-Raphson method relies on the derivative of the function (see if you can spot it 7:03), which of course Kepler did not have but Newton very much did. Newton-Raphson remains to this day a very practical and useful numerical method (although it’s not the only one and it doesn’t work well for every kind of equation).
@isaacclark9825
@isaacclark9825 Күн бұрын
Wow. I have worked with this equation since I was a high school lad, even up until last year when I implemented a solution (for low eccentricitry orbits) in software last year I expected that the subject would interest only about four KZbin viewers, but you have done much better than that!!
@liamhagan4434
@liamhagan4434 Күн бұрын
Hey man, really excited about the imaginary numbers book. Your series on imaginary numbers in 2016 was extremely impactful to me then and now. I still think about those videos often, and can’t wait to have this book in my possession!!
@phenixorbitall3917
@phenixorbitall3917 Күн бұрын
Tbh...Cauchy is a real beast! This guy was disrespectacularly smart - no kidding
@deer001
@deer001 Күн бұрын
After watching your complex number series, I felt heartbroken that you stopped posting.I didn't even know you were back until a short of yours popped up! So glad you are back! Take love❤
@aljawad
@aljawad 12 сағат бұрын
Ahh, this brings back so many fond memories of my first experience in programming. Some 50 years ago when I started to plot cometary positions based on their orbital elements, I used a programmable calculator to hunt for the value of E, basically using iteration (my first Hewlett Packard calculator had only 49 steps). Eventually when I acquired my first computer (an Apple II), I wrote dedicated programs (initially in Basic, then Pascal) to tabulate an ephemeris of the positions. A fascinating book on the subject is Peter Colwell’s “Solving Kepler’s Equation”, which I highly recommend 👍🏼
@costbubbles8336
@costbubbles8336 Күн бұрын
ive been waiting for this video for so long after seeing the yt short
@maitland1007
@maitland1007 2 күн бұрын
This was really great. The only thing Id want more of is more explanation of the history/derivation of the equation. Maybe another video?
@WelchLabsVideo
@WelchLabsVideo 2 күн бұрын
I cover some of this here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpnWlJ2iZdppiqs
@maitland1007
@maitland1007 2 күн бұрын
@@WelchLabsVideo Thanks.. just watched the first one.. my reaction is.. WOW!.. so amazingly well done! thanks!
@kellymoses8566
@kellymoses8566 Күн бұрын
Veritasium has a good video about this.
@Nabla_Squared
@Nabla_Squared 19 сағат бұрын
I love so much your videos, your style, explanations and the topics you choose are simply perfect. Excelent work!
@cparks1000000
@cparks1000000 Күн бұрын
The Lagrange Inversion Formula looks super complicated but it's just Taylors Theorem at f(a) plus "calculating" the (higher) derivative(s) of the inverse function (i.e., prove that $(f^{-1})^{(n)}(f(a))= \lim_{x \to a} (d/dx)^{n-1}[(x-a)/(f(x)-f(a)]$)
@Calcprof
@Calcprof 2 күн бұрын
Ah, playing with Gil Strang's Introduction to Applied Mathematics. I taught from this book many times in the 1990s.
@dendarius9906
@dendarius9906 10 сағат бұрын
Kepler is one of my favorite. His equations are remarkable. Dark matter seem to enforce both his law of equal distance over equal time and newton law.
@SolarAlmanac
@SolarAlmanac Күн бұрын
Ahhh, thank you so much. If only I had known all this when I started writing my astronomy code in high school :) PS. Last year I found Kepler's Equation in a strange place… in a _gardening_ problem. Given a length of chicken wire: Form the chicken wire into a circular arc (less than 2π radians) and place the ends against a straight exterior wall of the house. How large a sector of the circle (call it 2θ) should I use to maximize the enclosed area? … Well, when θ − sin θ appeared in the derivative, I said "No no no! That's Kepler's equation and can't be solved explicitly." By this time I knew better than to try! So I graphed it, and π/2 looked good, so I plugged it in, and yada yada yada the answer is: Semicircle.
@Altair705
@Altair705 Күн бұрын
My favorite method to solve it is the Halley method. It's similar to the Newton-Raphson method but also takes into account the second derivative, which makes the convergence faster. Generally speaking, that method is not very popular because the extra calculations needed to get the second derivative tend to offset the faster convergence, but in this case the second derivative of "E-e.sin(E)" is just "e.sin(E)", so no extra calculation is needed. In the end, the Halley method appears to be more efficient in the case of the Kepler equation, which makes me wonder why it's not more popular.
@VaraNiN
@VaraNiN 10 сағат бұрын
16:52 Laplace such a good physicist he still attends lectures 4 years after his death :P
@tune490
@tune490 Күн бұрын
This is an amazing video! Thank you Stephen :D
@officialjfendi
@officialjfendi Күн бұрын
Amazing video! I'm actually taking a grad-level orbital mechanics class right now and had to implement a bunch of these algorithms that you mentioned in the video, this explains it in a really nice and conceptually palatable way so nice job :D. Such a fun topic haha
@qadirtimerghazin
@qadirtimerghazin 2 күн бұрын
8:57 “high curvature causes Newton's method to overshoot the correct answer” I assume this also refers to 6 iterations, as it was for the Kepler’s method? I wonder how many more NR iterations are actually needed to converge? In fact, if it’s done manually without a computer, it seems to me that it would be easier and faster to do a few more NR steps than compute all those really complicated series…
@jmr5125
@jmr5125 2 күн бұрын
@qadirtimerghazin Yes, Newton's method will generally converge -- sometimes it requires extra iterations. However, based on other comments in this video, there are specific enough values for which Newton's method *won't* converge, no matter how many iterations you use. When / how this occurs I do not know although I strongly suspect it has to do with eccentricity values close to (but below) 1 and a very poor initial guesses for E.
@qadirtimerghazin
@qadirtimerghazin 2 күн бұрын
@@jmr5125 I didn’t have time to investigate this in detail, but our future overlord GPT 4o said that “Newton-Raphson method is widely used for solving Kepler’s equation because it converges very quickly for small and moderate eccentricities. For high eccentricities and problematic initial guesses, however, alternative or hybrid approaches might be necessary to ensure reliable convergence.” As a computational chemist, I’ve dealt with many cases when the NR method frustratingly just couldn’t converge trying to find a critical point on a highly multi-dimensional molecular potential surfaces, but it’s quite interesting that even this seemingly simple function can be challenging for the NR method…
@exponentmantissa5598
@exponentmantissa5598 Күн бұрын
Well done. I always like your stuff. - Retired Engineer
@VictorOrji-mz1jw
@VictorOrji-mz1jw Күн бұрын
Is it me or does the graph at 4:58 like like a cumulative frequency curve
@witsued
@witsued Күн бұрын
Edmond Halley, like rally. J.K. Rowling, like bowling.
@fg786
@fg786 2 күн бұрын
5:13 Something is off with your line for M = 77,7°. It intersects the white curve at E >120° but when you zoom in the whole graph is shifting. It looks too low to be the value for E close to 90°. So it's up to you to figure out what's wrong here.
@ivoryas1696
@ivoryas1696 Күн бұрын
10:20 That... was pretty nice! Good point! I've honestly want to someday construct a mechanical integrator for similar purposes. 😅
@jonquil3015
@jonquil3015 Күн бұрын
Unbelievably good presentation!
@bobnobrain
@bobnobrain 2 күн бұрын
Yay it's finally out!!
@souldrip2000
@souldrip2000 2 күн бұрын
at 16:47... it would have been quite difficult for Laplace to hear Cauchy's 1831 lecture at the French Academy of Sciences. (Laplace died in 1827.)
@primenumberbuster404
@primenumberbuster404 2 күн бұрын
Cauchy is like that one op anime character that basically does everything with style.
@thamiordragonheart8682
@thamiordragonheart8682 Күн бұрын
He probably got the decade wrong while he was talking or something simple like that.
@regulus8518
@regulus8518 2 күн бұрын
please do a video like this on the history behind runge kutta methods ode45 etc for differential equation solution ... it was very interesting to learn context behind newton raphson and how and why it was developed, it is used in electrical engineering for something called load flow analysis and allows for things like economic dispatch and maintainence on the grid without swictching the entire thing off
@Elektrolite111
@Elektrolite111 Күн бұрын
It would be nice to see a deep dive into the radius of convergence
@xanterrx9741
@xanterrx9741 2 күн бұрын
Great video , thanks for making it
@michaelpieters1844
@michaelpieters1844 2 сағат бұрын
Amazing video! Where did you get all this information? Which sources did you consult or did you go to the original works of Kepler, Newton, Laplace ... themselves?
@pikkisir4664
@pikkisir4664 2 күн бұрын
I love your videos a lot
@amorphant
@amorphant Күн бұрын
The music really adds gravitas.
@wjalp
@wjalp Күн бұрын
Kepler's method is very smart! 6:00 :))
@unflexian
@unflexian Күн бұрын
zetamath video about analytic continuation is focused on the subject of the radius of convergence in the complex plane, and it's fantastic!
@ruperterskin2117
@ruperterskin2117 10 сағат бұрын
Cool. Thanks for sharing.
@alliknowissuperposition2848
@alliknowissuperposition2848 Күн бұрын
Finally, after a lot of teaser 😅
@PrimordialOracleOfManyWorlds
@PrimordialOracleOfManyWorlds Күн бұрын
fantastically fascinating.
@Magicraft13
@Magicraft13 2 күн бұрын
Hi! Amazing video, I was wondering if an EU-shipping delivery will be available for your shop in a close future, I really want to buy some items :). Thanks for your astonishing work!
@-Yousof-
@-Yousof- Күн бұрын
Great content!
@cubing7276
@cubing7276 Күн бұрын
16:25 it should've been > not
@rb8049
@rb8049 2 күн бұрын
A Pade expansion including both poles and zeros is more general than a Taylor series expansion.
@mrhatman675
@mrhatman675 2 күн бұрын
It isn t really
@FadkinsDiet
@FadkinsDiet 2 күн бұрын
Padé approximants are cool but not really more applicable except in special cases.
@manhhoanguc837
@manhhoanguc837 2 күн бұрын
Just use Bisected Direct Quadratic Regula Falsi. For M in range 0 to π, set the search range [a,b] of E to [0,π] and the start point to M. The same apply for the range [π,2π]. This has the same quadratic convergence rate as the N-R method, but will always converge for e very close to 1.(Even if e is 0.9998 or closer depends on the floating point precision.) If you tweak somewhat, it will also works for the hyperbolic case e>1, and for very large e > 50, and M > 10π or M
@FadkinsDiet
@FadkinsDiet 2 күн бұрын
That requires many more steps to get the error down to acceptable levels, even if it is theoretically quadratic in the limit
@manhhoanguc837
@manhhoanguc837 Күн бұрын
@@FadkinsDiet Nope, each step only requires one additional evaluation of the current function, without having to evaluate any of the derivatives like the harley families. For accuracy up to 12-13 decimal points, this method only requires 5-7 func evaluations.
@RickyMud
@RickyMud 2 күн бұрын
I swear the algo has been hyping up this equation recently, unless that you guys doing it
@lorenwilson8128
@lorenwilson8128 Күн бұрын
Hailey expanded Newton's method to use the second derivative to correct for under or overshoot. It will converge significantly faster.
@mumujibirb
@mumujibirb 8 сағат бұрын
4:10 I've seen people use a guess and check approah, i.e. they try a value and see if it's too small or large, then guess again So i think this is really just a natural extension, after all, -since sin(x) = x for small values-
@Sanchuniathon384
@Sanchuniathon384 Күн бұрын
HOLD UP, where do we find how to use Bessel functions to model light diffracting through DNA strands? I am so down for this.
@queueeeee9000
@queueeeee9000 Күн бұрын
I always thought it was supposed to be pronounced "halle" like Halle Berry? Or am i thinking of something else?
@darkshoxx
@darkshoxx Күн бұрын
16:40 I'm sorry I can't see the word "Mecanique" anymore without seeing people dancing to the baseline of "another one bites the dust"
@WelchLabsVideo
@WelchLabsVideo Күн бұрын
lol - i should have used that for background music
@Kaviranghari
@Kaviranghari Күн бұрын
ok this is crazy i was talking about the newton raphson method all day and my teacher was and this video has popped up (by the way i was talking about it because i noticed it converges very quickly )
@sharpfang
@sharpfang Күн бұрын
I wonder, apples to apples, taking computational complexity and not mere number of iterations, how do the methods compare? Take 5 terms of Lagrange's series, it's going to be hundreds, if not thousands of additions, multiplications, exponentiations, sines and so on. The error will be something tiny like 0.001 degree, obviously vastly better than 5 iterations of Kepler's method. But now allocate the same number of operations to Kepler's method, and perform as many iterations as this allotment affords us. Somehow, I have a feeling you'll have something like a hundred iterations and the error will be vastly smaller at the end.
@bantix9902
@bantix9902 10 сағат бұрын
Cauchy was too smart
@RyanMarshall-lm6uf
@RyanMarshall-lm6uf Күн бұрын
I solved it, E = M/(1 - e sin)
@trippstreehouse
@trippstreehouse Күн бұрын
god damn this was a good video.
@kadmii
@kadmii 2 күн бұрын
get hype, we're doing more astronomy!
@jemy044
@jemy044 2 күн бұрын
12:05 you missed a "!" in the Taylor series expansion of sin(x)
@SolarAlmanac
@SolarAlmanac Күн бұрын
Confirmed: the 5-factorial.
@rgerk
@rgerk Күн бұрын
Maybe the solution will come if you use rational trigonometry, changing angles for spreads and distances for quadrances, avoiding square roots and transcendental functions.
@plinble
@plinble Күн бұрын
Use a numerical expansion for sin and a 32 bit or similar computer? It's only a rough model anyway because all the planets and moons interact with gravity, and spacetime (gravity).
@davidrandell2224
@davidrandell2224 Күн бұрын
“The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon for proper physics including the CAUSE of gravity, electricity, magnetism, light and well.... everything. Without the cause of gravity these models will remain incomplete. Newton/Einstein etc become obsolete mathematical projections. The Geometric Orbital Equation is: v^2R=K. K is the constant for different planets/sun’s etc.R=radius; v=velocity.
@electrikhan7190
@electrikhan7190 Күн бұрын
I guess that is why the center points of an ellipse are called foci, this is just math to bring something in to focus. Even looks like an eyeball. Maybe a phase diagram , the eccentricity is just the lag time between perfection and a perfect deflection. Relativity in geometry. Should it all be off just a little from procession and using straight lines to cut ovals.
@matthewjames7513
@matthewjames7513 2 күн бұрын
3:04 I don't think that's a parabola, I think it's a hyperbola. Typo? EDIT: e < 1 its an ellipse, e = 1 its a parabola, e > 1 it's a hyperbola.
@sunnythebridger7529
@sunnythebridger7529 2 күн бұрын
It's parabola when e is exactly 1, I guess.
@mingmiao364
@mingmiao364 2 күн бұрын
There was a moment that the path is a parabola. The animation shows how a conic section evolves from ellipse to a parabola and then to a hyperbola as eccentricity increases.
@LupisLight
@LupisLight Күн бұрын
When eccentricity = exactly 1, it's a parabola. If eccentricity is greater than ,1 it's a hyperbola.
@tmst2199
@tmst2199 2 күн бұрын
He doesn't say that the reason for determining the area swept out in the circle is because we don't know the elepticity of the ellipse.
@LumTheAlien
@LumTheAlien Күн бұрын
I wonder if it is possible to plug many of these equations into a regression algorithm and arrive at a constant value that could be applied to eccentric orbits.
@spoddie
@spoddie 17 сағат бұрын
Will your book be available on Amazon?
@white_145
@white_145 17 сағат бұрын
lmao just use the infamous carybara function: P(E-esinE) = E and there you have it
@RyanLynch1
@RyanLynch1 Күн бұрын
2:13 hey that's my birthday!
@BPGHchess
@BPGHchess 2 күн бұрын
Nice!
@rodrigoappendino
@rodrigoappendino 2 күн бұрын
I thought I already watched this video before.
@aleksszukovskis2074
@aleksszukovskis2074 Күн бұрын
12:05 theres a mistake in the second denominator "5" -> "5!"
@screechingtoad2683
@screechingtoad2683 12 сағат бұрын
Do any of these take the gravitational pull of the sun and distance to the sun (which affects the gravitational pull)?
@DavyCDiamondback
@DavyCDiamondback 2 күн бұрын
It's always aggravating when classical physics problems are unsolvable, because if classical is unsolvable, what hope is there for relativistic and quantum physics?
@wetwillyis_1881
@wetwillyis_1881 2 күн бұрын
It’s crazy to me how similar the method of Ê is to how we use β and β hat in statistics for Regression analysis.
@aravindakannank.s.
@aravindakannank.s. 2 күн бұрын
i clicked faster than blinking
@pierret6572
@pierret6572 2 күн бұрын
What is the name of the song at the beginning of the video plz ?
@stefanocucciati
@stefanocucciati Күн бұрын
16:52 how could Laplace be in the audience if it was held in 1831 and he died in 1827?
@PhoenixEditz69
@PhoenixEditz69 Күн бұрын
I have one doubt Are e(eccentricity) and e(euler’s number ≈ 2.71) Somehow related? If anyone has any idea, please share😀
@WelchLabsVideo
@WelchLabsVideo Күн бұрын
Nope!
@swamihuman9395
@swamihuman9395 2 күн бұрын
- Excellent explanation, including graphic illustrations. - In fact, to learn more, I screen captured illustration, then submitted to AI ('Gemini Pro 1.5') for analysis... it did a great job :)
@mathmachine4266
@mathmachine4266 Күн бұрын
Sure I can. Numerically. Start with the initial guess of E+esin(E), then use Newton's or Halley's method.
@Rope_Adope
@Rope_Adope 2 күн бұрын
Some things you don’t “solve”. They solve you
@srilemobitelsrile8809
@srilemobitelsrile8809 2 күн бұрын
What program do you use for animation?
@mikebon8352
@mikebon8352 2 күн бұрын
The Holy Trinity... Mass Energy Speed of Light.
@whalep
@whalep 16 сағат бұрын
At 21:02, I don't understand why there is an x in Bessel's solution. Is it supposed to be e?
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