THE INCONSISTENT LORE OF TINKERBELL

[@AthenaPOfficial]

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[@complexcat3291]

hey athena! youve mentioned avater the last air bender here. its a kids show so can u plsss do a vid on it!

[@cryingwolf511]

I would love you to review the storyline for this app! I know you're going to be punching the air with the bs happening xD

[@stealthanimates]

Omg ive had this game for over a year already and have never heard anyone else talk about it! Its a really great game and the amount of representation in it is phenomenal

[@pranavkhanna8724]

Hey! One thing you missed is the book a masterpiece for bess (correct me if I missed it tho) and it's one of my faves despite how plotless it kinda is, cause in it vidia has one of her only good moments where she encourages bess, and I kinda wish it had been covered for that small hint of movies vidia

[@Penpal88900]

Ayy Athena with another banger 💪

[@joelblake5310]

I honestly couldn't care less how confusing the lore is. The Tinker Bell movies are so underrated, and I enjoy each and every one of them.

[@Lilgarci22]

Exactly!!❤

[@yokaibuster6754]

I wish that they could have made more. I would kill for a Silvermost movie. I am happy that Fawn got her own movie since she’s my favorite but I would love to see her friends get a spotlight

[@SilvanaPuris2310]

Yeah, I too, I didn't realize if was confusing the story. I won't deny the movies of Tinkerbell were my chilhood and with something magical inside: the characters, stories and songs,

[@Ponderpine]

Like Barbie movies, but self-contained.

[@babyperi6821]

Same

[@everwildart3563]

Ending the Tinker Bell franchise with the Neverbeast movie where the ending is about saying goodbye to a friend is honestly so poetic and heartbroken at the same time...

[@MunchSis]

Idk how true it is but I heard that more movies were planned, which would lead to her meeting Peter Pan before the animation studio unfortunately closed ://

[@RosyLanderos]

@@MunchSisand a other movie called “Tinker Academy”

[@frustraceann]

that movie never fails to make me cry and send me into emotional turmoil.

[@astrowolvez]

The way there was supposed to be more and thee next had steampunk fairies

[@gaygrim]

​@@astrowolvez NOOOOO WE WERE ROBBED

[@kiwilemontea4622]

The Neverbeast absolutely got me crying every time my kids watched it. It's like... Yeah, of course Gruff is literally just going to sleep, he's fine and he just needs a nap, but the scene where they put Gruff to bed? That was 100% a funeral.

[@perlaramirez5644]

But does he not wake up at the end of the movie ? Isn’t it just hybernation ? 😢

[@kiwilemontea4622]

@@perlaramirez5644 It's hibernation, but for almost a thousand years. He doesn't wake up at the end of the movie. He goes to sleep for so long that all the other characters will be long dead by the next time he awakes.

[@nanaduhh]

stop im sobbing like he's gonna wake up and Fawn will be bones under soil im tearing my skin off it's like a funeral but for the fairies he knew

[@kazuu_44]

in a way, it IS a funeral. sure, he’s going to wake up.. in a thousand years. the fairies will never see him again. to them, he may as well be dead. they’re saying their last goodbye, as if he’s dying, because he essentially is to them.. he’s gone forever, for their forever. and it’s also sad for him, because the land will be different when he’s back. the fairies will be gone, and who knows if the truth of tale will be kept alive until the next time he wakes, or if it will be twisted again

[@Joannefibracs9994]

And the KT Tunstall song Strange Sight, oh god this movie makes me sob. I started sobbing even as she reminded me of the gifts they gave him. So now I have a cry-headache and am holding my very confused dogs tight while covering them in tears.

[@sgtuwu1285]

“Your childhood crush, Vidia. The Jade West of Pixie Hollows” I’ve never felt so attacked in my LIFE

[@KelpieRider]

It was too accurate. Jade was when I knew my taste was atleast partially goth mean girl, it's terminal 😔

[@boyinblue.]

Yes, she is one of the many reasons I should've known i was a lesbian.

[@taylormoon3014]

the "let me quote shakespeare" into "if you stand for nothing, burr, what will you fall for" sLAYED ME LDKFHJGDJKAHGS

[@--flora-fnaf---]

Same

[@havenm6181]

What I love about the fairies is that all of tinkerbells friends have superpowers and she just has a mcguyver brain, on top of the fact that when the fairies switched each others' powers, Vidia just got a different type of brain and has to temporarily deal with the implications of that

[@miniminininja538]

She just turned into a Lego builder and it was so funny

[@celestial_fox_2217]

MacGyver reference 😂

[@shadowclaw7210]

All Tinker fairies are Batmans of fairy world.

[@rileym7337]

They really said autism is your superpower 😭

[@havenm6181]

@@rileym7337 NOOOOOO 😭

[@inkdoesathing]

I audibly whisper-screamed "FUCK YEAH" when I saw this thumbnail

[@Rat-tat-two-eee3614]

The excitement took over

[@michellebaker8921]

Same but it was more a inside of head "FUCK YEAH" lol

[@Zephyriar]

Dude!! Same 😂

[@PiVeloso]

I was legit giggling and kicking my feet

[@friendlyneighbourhoodash]

so did i

[@kskitten8047]

Fun fact! From what I've heard, the Legend of the Neverbeast was supposed to be the first movie in a set that follows something relating to the talents of each of the main friends, but the rest were cancelled because that movie wasn't immediately popular, which is a shame.

[@AthenaPOfficial]

That is a shame I would’ve loved more of those

[@Mariasouza-um8cx]

We could've had a Vidia movie... WE COULD'VE HAD A *SILVERMIST* MOVIE!!! WE WERE SOOOO ROBBED!!!

[@Nazza_Bazza]

Are you kidding? I loved that movie 😭 also the one where she found Periwinkle

[@rileym7337]

Never beast made me ugly cry

[@WinxAliNelCielo]

I wish they still tried ergh

[@wadeyhyena1657]

I think it's a shame that we never got to see Iridessa, Rosetta or Silvermist get their own movies after Fawn. Tink's movies are Tinker Bell, The Lost Treasure, and the Secret of the Wings alongside Periwinkle. Vidia's is The Great Fairy Rescue, since it acts as her redemption arc, and Fawn's is Legend of the Neverbeast. The Pirate Fairy's about Zarina and the origins of Captain Hook.

[@is.a.bell.a8700]

wasn't pixie hollow games rosetta's movie or am i just misremembering?

[@lunarhail3559]

@@is.a.bell.a8700it was a few web toons I believe about her

[@heehoopeanut420]

Im so glad our generation is old enough to spread the word of how GOOD the disney fairy movies are. They still hold up to this day.

[@kevinr.9733]

As a 20-something guy who just watched all six over the past few days (most of them for the first time), I was thoroughly impressed at how charming and enjoyable they are. Not peak cinema, by any means, but still very worth a watch. They also look way prettier than they have any right to.

[@owenbaker2.084]

The funniest fact of the Tinker Bell films is that they were basically responsible for killing off Disneytoon Studios, the one being responsible for all the Disney Direct to DVD sequels in the 2000s.

[@phlpcockrell]

They were also responsible for a goofy movie 😢

[@patax144]

Wait they killed DisneyToon? I thought it was just a side effect of John Lasseter leaving and the launch of Disney+

[@NightRainPanda]

@@patax144 I believe that (from what I remember) Bob Iger HATED Disneytoon. And when he became CEO, guess what movie was being worked on? Tinkerbell and the Ring of Belief. Which he hated so much they had to redo the entire movie. The only reason they were allowed to go on was because the company was in a recession. As soon as they were out of it, they got canned.

[@danielgudinojuarez6729]

Just like how Ice Age killed blue sky studios

[@princembat]

@@NightRainPanda makes it sound like the tinker bell movies didnt kill the studio, bob iger did

[@katshuskyalt]

"Do not let her cook she'll burn the entire house down" 💀 I will probably be using this

[@MossyFrog69]

I read this as I heard it on the video lol

[@RayDoughBoy]

Where was it?

[@N0b0dy1.0]

You'd think that water fairies could fly with wet wings, since their whole identity is water. Kinda like how winter fairies are the only fairies that can fly in the cold of winter ( or a blizzard ).

[@birdieleo7244]

17:27 Actually there is a way to make all the canons fit together! The movies are a prequel series, showing the early days of Tink’s life (as we can see with her birth) and her general upbringing. Later, would be her time with Peter. It’s understood that by this time something major had changed in Neverland, and the Pixie Dust tree no longer existed (theorised to be taken out by Hook). It’s also thought that one of the reasons Peter’s Tink is so possessive and jaded is because she had already seen some of her earlier friends (those that are exclusive to the movies such as Clink and Bobble, as well as her sister) pass due to children stopping their belief. After her time with Peter, we get the book series! Obviously it’s not complete or full proof, but it helps connect everything in a bit of a neater bow :) Plus we all love the movies and Tink enough to ignore the issues lol

[@nicestpancake]

I'm not finished yet, but "Let me quote Shakespeare; 'If you stand for nothing, Burr. What'll you fall for?'" Underrated.

[@WaitWhat-zw2in]

Tinkerbell is a great example of what I like to call the Garfield Effect where the character might not look like they have much at first but once you start getting into it you realize that they are everywhere

[@gemstone108]

Glad I’m not the only one who made the SuperEyePatchWolf connection!

[@emofurryboyfriendasmr]

no because you're so right

[@Firegem029]

As I understood, individual fairy death can happen when one person, usually the child who gave life to the fairy, stops believing then that fairy dies, but, the Queen and other important figures are kept alive by the universal belief in faires. When they said they would never see the NeverBeast again, they meant that their humans would stop believing or just die, so they would be dead as well. My personal headcanon is that Tinkerbell only started following around Peter and the lost boys after her friends started dying from people believing in fairies less and less. She also started recruiting lost boys and taking (kidnapping) little girls to Neverland to keep her female friends alive. She was pissed at Wendy, not out of jealousy, but rather she was mad that Wendy was tempting Peter to leave Neverland and grow up, thus killing his fairy.

[@JoeytheWitchyUnicorn-fq8if]

Yeah - I’ve heard about this theory too. But I don’t know if it’s confirmed anywhere in the franchise or if it’s from Lydia the Bard’s Tink villain song.

[@someguyontheinternet604]

Well that's...depressing.

[@Firegem029]

@@JoeytheWitchyUnicorn-fq8if It's just a head cannon, I doubt Disney would do something that dark even back then let alone now.

[@stuffie5175]

Tbh. If they got rid of that “no aging bit”, they could probably farm humans into a kinda village that they have a symbiotic relationship with

[@benipasterus3572]

That would be solvable especially if Queen and important fairies don't die. They would've long ago choose a specific distant village or made certain amount of humans live there and do not hide from them, therefore humans there would certainly believe in fairies and they won't die. Unless some other rule pop out that fairies are forbidden by world laws to show themselves in front of too many humans or smth.

[@Halloweenish]

“So you all just force fairies to chose what they’re gonna do for the rest of their immortal lives only seconds after they’re born?” “Ironic, isn’t it?”

[@sarahthomas8670]

PLSS😭😭😭

[@mslackadaisical7989]

I read that in rosettas voice

[@WinxAliNelCielo]

@@mslackadaisical7989that’s the point

[@IntergalacticDustBunny]

The fairies aren't immortal.

[@helfire14]

It's like rain on your wedding day

[@TobiasFangorIsntCis]

When Peter calls Tink a “common fairy” I think he’s referring to her vulgar language, not her rarity

[@Jellybeansatdusk]

I would believe this if the second half of that sentence was not “she just mended the pots and kettles”

[@zaK98322]

LORE IDEAS: (IF YOU HADN'T) you should try the tangle/ Rapunzel lore. There is an entire series where it talks about more for Rapunzel and her magical hair. They even show another thing which you should check out.

[@g00dbunny]

Guess what bestie

[@zaK98322]

@@g00dbunny what 🫣🤔

[@Jogryph]

@@zaK98322she did it i think

[@rosemary3029]

​@@zaK98322she made it

[@Necrovia]

The only major reason why I know about tinkerbell lore is because my mom's dog, Lucian, LOVES anything tinkerbell. The movies are the only few movies he will actively watch and not have a fit over when he's left alone. Least favorite is Great Fairy Rescue cause of the cat, but he ADORES Legend of The Neverbeast. We have to put on Neverbeast anytime we leave the house so he doesn't whine, and he has a tattered up tinkerbell doll as his favorite plush to sleep with. He's 10 years old, and started to get his sugar dusted face now.

[@cyanthrope]

I think what you have is a changeling, but in dog form

[@WinxAliNelCielo]

This is so cuteeee

[@Theatricsanddramatics]

AWWWW

[@Victoria-_]

Aww!

[@tornadodee148]

tell him Lucian is goodest boi :3 lots pets🐾

[@silverriku12]

I was obsessed with the original book. Everything to do with Rani has been burned into my memory forever. Forced to love something that kills her? Destroy an intrinsic part of yourself to be able to embrace your love? I'm dead. Deceased. Never at rest.

[@madokami03]

I only had trouble with tink and I believe a compilation stories book with one about Rani after she cut off her wings. But everything from that story and her backstory is also just burned into my memory so vividly

[@moonlighthowling666]

Her thing about crying easily because she's "full of water" is so relatable I say it to this day. I had to start carrying tissues in my purse because my nose started running a lot after i got it pierced and that reminded me of how Rani's outfit came with handkerchiefs on it too

[@delaneyhopkins4521]

I wanted to be her so badly as a kid I was fully obsessed with her and I now realize it was my first little baby gay crush and growing up I relate to her so much more

[@nixgalexa7244]

One of the reasons that the fairies are chaotic, mean, and only sometimes nice in the books is because fae are that way in folklore. Very fickle creatures, and you never know what you're going to get when you interact with them. They're often selfish, spiteful, care only about their own amusement, childish, petty, and prone to jealousy. Sometimes they take pity on people, but the outcome may be worse than if they didn't, because faeries don't know humans very well. The Pixie Dust Trilogy is probably based more on faerie characterization in folklore, hence the discrepancy.

[@empressawesome1655]

I haven’t read the books but based on Athena’s description, they’re also more in line with JM Barrie’s depiction of them which is why their personalities seem so different than the Disney movies.

[@beedoesthings8037]

I mean faeries aren’t all bad, they just don’t subscribe to human ideals of morality. They care less about being good or bad, and more about honor, self-satisfaction and entertainment.

[@shelby_lane_]

The watercolor illustration is the superior look for Disney fairies! I’m so glad you did this series! I was OBSESSED with the books and computer game for years!

[@oranplan1630]

Here's MY theory: since the books describe the universe of the movie as being their past, this obviously means that Neverland is stuck in a time loop where the same characters are born time and time again, and similar events will always play out. Reincarnation also a possibility.

[@kawaii.universe2003]

I’ve been mad about the inconsistency with the winter fairy lore for 12 years. Thank you, Athena. 9 year old me is pleased.

[@sarahthomas8670]

Same

[@pinkred22]

OH MY GOSH YES THAT'S ANNOYED ME FOR SO LONG

[@animatortear6199]

Yesss i noticed it and no one talked about it when i went searching for it previously

[@MyFireElf]

All we needed was a line like "You were only in for a few seconds that first time" or something! Arg.

[@nadaasaragih6661]

FRRRRR when I saw the film for the first time I was like wait isn't they already have a winter queen?

[@PalisadePeryton]

I used to be obsessed with these movies. Back in the day, I didn't really know how to have actual opinions, so I'd always just say that my favorite character was whichever one had the most purple in their outfit. I got so mad when I realized the purple fairy was the mean one, because obviously my favorite fairy couldn't be mean. So I made up a whole story where Vivian and Faun swapped powers, that way the nice animal fairy could wear purple and she could be my favorite. I was a strange child.

[@Punk-possum]

That's kinda real ngl

[@worknotinprogress7172]

I think that's just how children work lmao. When I was younger, I didn't like/pay attention to Iridessa because I was mad that she wore yellow. Now that I'm older and not holding her dress color against her, she's actually one of my favorite characters, with the other one being Silvermist.

[@LadyLeomon]

(Unless there’s another purple fairy I forgot about her name is Vidia)

[@jasminemohamed823]

This is so real, I actually did something similar, except it was with how pretty the character was.

[@peacefulchaos333]

​@@jasminemohamed823sameee lol

[@cloudyycolfer]

it's so funny to me how beloved tink is but no creator who has ever created or written her can decide what her lore, origin or backstory is

[@trika91]

I love the movies too much, so I just stick with the movie lore as my cannon. Was kinda disappointed that we never got that 'Tink meets Peter Pan' movie; would've definitely built up the movie lore more and tied it in with the 1950s film.

[@springdemon.w.]

@@trika91and the books! The book "Trouble with Tink" is where Tink goes back to Pan's hideout to retrieve her spare hammer, and they explain to Terrance how Tink and Peter met! Peter was on a raft, trying to get a shark and the shark took a huge bite out of the raft. With no way of escape, Tink saw him and said, "Fly, silly boy!" And covered him in pixie dust and taught him how to fly. Peter managed to get away with a tooth from the shark. They became best friends and went on many adventures from then on, ofc until they seperated and the fairies books occur in the future

[@shannjoyy]

As an undiagnosed ADHD child, I think the reason I loved these movies so much was how much I related to the characters. As an adult rewatching them, I relate to Tinkerbell's quick temper and her hyperfocus on making things, as well as Fauna's impulsivity and obsession with animals. Such a precious series ✨

[@ItsMe-pv2dm]

26:10 THE WAY YOUR WINGS CLOSED AS YOU BACKED IN HORROR WAS SUCH AMAZING TIMING LMAOOO FOR A SECOND I WAS LIKE OH SHIT ARE THOSE REAL

[@PickledRamona]

Friends to lovers is such a cute trope and Tink and Terence genuinely would’ve been so cute together- like the short tempered one with the calm one is also such a cute pairing- but they ruin it with them looking so similar and with so many of their interactions being toxic or unkind. (Tink being mean to him or Terence being a bit of a creep in the books)

[@rileym7337]

Movie Tink is a lesbian and I will die on that hill

[@wuttatota148]

No fr i loved Tink and Terrence in the movies, then i heard about his lines in the books and i was like 😟

[@testerwulf3357]

The only really similar looks is the same hair and eye color 😅everything else is the standard fairy design stuff..Having similar color schemes doesn't ruin anything. I don't get what's with the internets obsession with "similar color scheme=MUST be rekated aka CANNOT ship"..irl a lot of people date or marry someone with the same hair color, eye color, and even skin color..but it's only weird when animated characters do it?? Tink also generally only goes to him when she has an issue, which automatically means ofc she's going to get mad at him..she has anger issues and isn't exactly in a good mood. Having little spatts is normal! people never fighting is what's odd..they always make up after the fight and agree it was a dumb thing to fight over. In the movies at least they don't have a toxic dynamic..Tink is just newer to the world and learning to handle her temper, he likewise is still learning how to help her and what NOT to say or else she'll explode.

[@SugarSpice07]

So, I have no place to say this since the gracious Queen Athena has granted my last request for Octonauts lore, but anyone else here think that Little Einsteins would be EXACTLY the type of thing she'd enjoy doing a lore video for? That would be so much fun!

[@kctoygacha5069]

All I remember about that show is that I watched one episode of Little Einsteins one (1) time and got one of their songs stuck in my head for a whole month. It was great.

[@Isabelle-qq2yu]

Little Einsteins and Backyardigans are the types that I feel like Athena would be hooked on (yes, I know she reacted to Backyardigans drunk)

[@TheAlmightyRiley19]

SERIOUSLY MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY! I would be so down with a lore video on it!! Because it's actually very interesting when you watch the whole show..

[@melonnoodlsoup3387]

I was scared of the spider from it

[@TheAlmightyRiley19]

@@melonnoodlsoup3387 for some reason I was kinda obsessed with that scene because of the visual background behind them...but yes I remember being frightened of it too 🤣 it was the only show I watched in my childhood my mother was actually able to sit through 💀

[@theatre_kid8]

"She is in the condo I'm moving into" Why is it I immediately got this image of a middle aged Tinkerbell sitting on a balcony in one of those horrible white plastic lawn chairs holding a cigarette in one hand, and a coffee mug in the other wearing a green robe covered in stains?

[@AthenaPOfficial]

God I wish

[@space-age-bachelorman]

someone draw this PLEASE

[@theatre_kid8]

@@space-age-bachelorman I really want someone to draw this, I need art of it 😂

[@Vivicci.x]

@@AthenaPOfficialI see that as being a sign you’re exactly where you’re supposed to be on your path in life . What is the odds of all the types of animated character it’s one you love in the place you move into. ✨✨

[@clearnotefrostflower]

i think there is a way to make the books connected to the movies! in the books, they mention later on that there was once a great tree but it was destroyed, and from that destruction, mother dove and her egg were formed. in the movies, we see tink being born, and they take place before meeting peter, and the tree is there. in the books, they take place after meeting peter, and the tree is gone, now mother dove is there. so i think they can be connected that way! they’re in the same timeline, just at different periods of time in fairy history :)

[@Ashton_Star]

Theres also the book 'In the Realm of the Never Fairies - The secret world of pixie hollow', It has a lot about specifically how each type of fairy works and also mentions mother dove. I remembered it from when I was a kid, and went digging and found it :) (also has some explanations on fashion, their bedrooms, and the living spaces of the pixie tree. Theres also a few recipes in the book.)

[@Starlightclod]

I’ll always be upset that we never got that steampunk themed movie where Tink attends an entire academy for tinker fairies. The concept art for it was so cool and we would’ve gotten the coolest fairy designs in the series imo. I NEED Disney to give us steampunk Tinker Bell someday!!

[@liz_violet]

its being turned into a book!

[@truebornseeker9767]

As sexist and bullshit as the original novel is, I do kinda love the idea of fairies being so tiny that they can only fit one emotion? Like obviously it’s by definition two dimensional to make a(n especially female) character who can only experience one emotion at a time, but it’s a fascinating to have a character’s emotions so limited and extreme The old live action movie is my favourite adaptation- Tink is so bitchy and cunty, the little acorn being a ‘kiss’, the thing about Wendy being shot is I’m pretty sure kept? Which is so dramatic and insane and I kinda love

[@anit3976]

Same it’s an interesting idea… and as long as you take out the problematic elements paying homage to the original is appreciated by me

[@elenarodriguez602]

I think I read somewhere that apparently there were also boy fairies and fairies that didn't know what they were (NB FAIRIES). So still sexist, still sus, but half a hat better (if what I read was true).

[@MugWitch]

I loved the concept too and apply it to OG Tink, but at the same time, it makes sense for someone who is a side character rather than the main character. It makes sense that they ditched that when starting the movies.

[@carolkoski4875]

10:00 calling being a tinker fairy being "a woman in stem" got a guttural laugh out of me (also i find the 'egg is actually a seed' theory totally believable tbh), it's the exact kind of whimsical shit you see in these types of fairytales

[@quonit37]

I decided to rewatch The Great Fairy Rescue because of this video, and it really surprised me how much of that movie implanted itself in my psyche? I remember disliking it as a kid because I was very into knowledge and didn't like the movie was about how "science is Dumb look at this big Science Bully", but rewatching it now I can see the bigger picture of it being a very sweet story that cuts into the core of a lot of anxieties children have with their parents. I actually like this movie now!

[@Thatgirlsalooneyone]

Not me talking about this with my husband after I re watched all the tinkerbell movies!!! This video was MADE for me

[@froggyfriend2744]

Fun fact: in Peterpan in Kensington Gardens we get more backstory into the birth of Peter Pan and it’s revealed that all human babies are born as little birds that fly to their mothers cribs and lay down to transform in their cots.. but Peter’s window was closed. So Peter Pan was left to fly to this island in Kensington gardens to be raised by this wise old crow and he’s stuck between being human and something else. He’s a “betwixed and in between”. So he’s essentially a changeling child that’s not fully human. (There’s more lore with the Queen of the fairies and these goblin dudes and a little girl who gets lost in the gardens and spends the night there but that’s a whole thing.) Very worth the read tbh.

[@sahana757]

That’s so messed up I need to read this

[@RosyLanderos]

That girl’s name is Maimie

[@Ekami-chan]

Oh I knew about the window thing, but not a bird/in-between one, so Eldrich horror Peter Pan from Wendy, darling and Hooked by A.C.Wise had basis on original :D (I need to specify the author because there's horrible romance novel with the same name as hooked)

[@elecrom_9757]

He is also basically a naked baby that can fly

[@Graycata]

I remember it a bit different. I thought children were born in the traditional way, but remember their previous lives as birds. Peter remembering being a bird, flew from his crib to Kensington gardens. After a while he realized that the strange feeling he had was him wanting his mother. So he flew back saw that his mother had a new child and that there were bars on the windows.

[@TheAntiDisneyGod]

Who knew a TacoBell fairy would gain several films and spin-offs even though she was from a film that came out in THE 1950S?!?!?!!??

[@Isabelle-qq2yu]

Just like Schaffrillas said “She’s also a sociopath with a long history of violence”

[@cofeespear4992]

TacoBell?!!

[@MidnightMuffin]

@@Isabelle-qq2yu "I don't understand how you keep forgetting that."

[@princembat]

tbf shes kinda one of disneys big mascots, at least she was for a while idk if she is anymore

[@Victoria-_]

Tacobell?? 😭

[@serpenking]

ill never forgive disney for killing this franchise it ruled

[@AthenaPOfficial]

I want MOOOOORE

[@serpenking]

@@AthenaPOfficial we all talk about how much we miss club penguin but real talk? i miss pixie hollow more

[@taylorg2320]

​​@@serpenkingclub penguing is still around, just search "club penguin rewritten." Everyone gets an automatic membership and the programmers put on new events and updated fashion all the time, plus you can swear in the chat

[@MugWitch]

@@AthenaPOfficialI hope they revisit one day. Pixie Hollow area still exists at Disneyland and Tokyo Disney Springs just opened a new ride based on the Disney Fairies and has Cheese in it. There might be some hope to it!

[@testerwulf3357]

@@serpenking Hot take, same honestly..

[@isabellabiaggi6672]

Girl fr your videos just help me find new subjects to hyperfixate on and then later have random facts when ever my little sister is watching something 😂 and i kinda want the books now bc the art is lowk 👌

[@jrgrimm6091]

When the first baby laughed for the first time, the laugh broke into a thousand pieces and they all went skipping about. And that was the beginning of fairies.

[@Starshineadmirer]

29:44 Quick note here, Gwendolyn isn’t actually Wendy’s daughter, but she is descended from her. In the book it’s said that Gwendolyn’s mother and grandmother had both been to Neverland before, and it started with Wendy. Wendy’s daughter also had the acorn kiss cast in silver, which is nice.

[@tinnasell4161]

For a sec I thought you were talking about Gwendolyn the Dark Sun 😅

[@RosyLanderos]

So Gwendolyn would be Wendy’s granddaughter or great-granddaughter and Jane’s daughter or granddaughter in this version or I don’t know (although in the original novel the real name from the Wendy’s granddaughter is Margaret).

[@Starshineadmirer]

@@RosyLanderos Probably a few more generations

[@Starshineadmirer]

@@RosyLanderos I just picked up the book and in the first page it the grandmother wanted Gwendolyn to fetch a scrapbook. Said scrapbook had begun a century before. What are the chances of Gwendolyn being the granddaughter/great-granddaughter of Margaret?

[@venlafaxinequeen421]

Fashion history lover here. A negligee in 1904 was actually very different to what we would now call lingerie. A negligee was a more casual garment, but would have still fully covered most of a woman’s skin. These were mostly worn by women who were staying at home and entertaining guests.

[@cutiekanroji7969]

Raini as a bat be like: "I have no mouth and I must scream."

[@Blue-100]

Bro my absolute favorite out of the whole movie series was the great fairy rescue. I mean I literally watched that movie so many times as a kid. I just like how they did everything in that movie from the interaction with Liz and how Tink temporarily fixed the water dripping in the house (that definitely needs a better fix though it was satisfying to watch). I also loved the little fairy trap house

[@daysbe4jack]

Hi Athena P..you gotta check out the lore of the PJ Masks..3 kids who seemingly gained animal powers and fight kid villains all night. Where are their parents? Do they not check on them at night? Are the PJ Masks more than regular kids? If so, did Romeo( one of their villains) invent them? There’s more of a connection that Romeo has with the three kids than just being an infamous villain..I can feel it..Why is there no other person seeing super-powered children causing fights all across the city?!!😭😭😭

[@v.v365]

I like to imagine if Periwinkle got out to the Mainland, she’d encounter Jack Frost as an equivalent to the dynamic between Tink and Peter Pan

[@devonmmi]

oh i love this

[@RockyRickaby1926]

Vidia is worse than you think in the books btw. There’s one book that I actually still have where a new fast flying fairy is born which pisses her off because she is also faster than Vidia, all this fairy wants to do is be Vidia’s friend but she’s having none of that, she constantly bullies her and at the end lures her to a volcano, somehow gets her wings wet and flies away, this fairy is literally crying for help at the end of the book and is never seen again, Vidia doesn’t get punished btw

[@LavroseRovender]

Oh my god I want to read this

[@isabellefuoss9737]

Dear god when I read this I had to remind myself that THIS IS A CHILDREN’S BOOK

[@jewelswithj]

@@isabellefuoss9737 exactly! she was so mean in the books

[@RockyRickaby1926]

There’s also one I forget what it’s called but Rani gets abused by the mermaids for the entire story and she is like severally depressed at the beginning and nearly jumps off brother dove’s back to try and drown herself

[@izzy1356]

​@FallenMothValentino "Rani and The Mermaid Lagoon" was so sad to read man... Context for anyone reading the comments, Rani is a wingless fairy. She sacrificed her wings in order to save Neverland, and gets around by riding a dove called Brother Dove. And the book is when her depression over that finally boils over, since she *wants* to help set up a party, but can't because BD's wings would knock everything over. She figures she'd live better with the Mermaids, since she's a water fairy and is the only fairy in Neverland who can swim.

[@dlmkrmusic]

full disclosure, i 100% cried when i first saw the neverbeast movie. i was a freshman in highschool, genuinely sobbing, hiccups, screaming, full blown waterworks at that last scene where they take him to bed. my dog at the time had just been diagnosed with cancer, and i was so scared that we'd have to say goodbye to him prematurely. happy to say he's still kickin to this day, but even as a full grown adult, rewatching that movie last year still brought a tear to my eye. also yeah the lore is fcked

[@TawnyOwlWings]

Don't worry I am now a fully grown 27 year old adult and still cry at the Neverbeast film (having a pet makes it WORSE)

[@Roxxie-The-Imp]

I couldn’t finish it as a kid bc I was so sad that it was the last movie 😢

[@HungryDuck3312]

This is a ridiculous admission but I’ve watched 3 separate creators 1+ hours tinkerbell related videos this morning. But this one’s my favorite

[@AthenaPOfficial]

WOAH! Thanks so much!!! That means a lot to me 🧚‍♀️

[@CandaceDreamer]

I hadn’t seen the last tinkerbell movie until last summer and I cried so hard at that ending. I was starting to tear up when you were talking about it. Also I wish they kept going with this film series. It’s a nice comfort series of movies to watch.

[@myra7011]

In Peter and the Starcatcher (the musical, at least) Tinker Bell is a bird that gets turned into a fairy by "star stuff" which is the magic dust that falls to earth from shooting stars and fits with absolutely no other Tinker Bell lore

[@umbreonic766]

just had a record scratch moment irl. you’re telling me there’s a MUSICAL???? i love those books and there’s a MUSICAL brb time to deep dive and iirc that’s correct in the book as well. the mermaids were also fish fucked up by starstuff. i remember the lore saying that earth mythology of gods and monsters is all just records of people and creatures who got all jacked up on the stuff it was great

[@Victoria-_]

There’s a musical?? Since WHEN

[@myra7011]

@@umbreonic766 Yeah! It’s actually more of a play with music than a true musical, but one of the songs is all about the mermaids

[@Skylarcat4539]

Is anyone else going to mention how she straight up forgot a special, show the Pixie Hollow games focuses on Rosetta and not Tinkerbell but it's still in the series

[@AthenaPOfficial]

There was another special not included as well a part 2 may be in order

[@intensestare5027]

​@AthenaPOfficial If you do a part 2 you could include the Fairies graphic novels. Some of them focus on stories already told in the book with a couple changes like retconning vidia and the dragons love affair but theres a plot that includes a garden fairy named thistle getting jealous of tink and having a love triangle w her and terrance

[@demiokulaja7787]

@@intensestare5027 yes!!! i adored the graphic novels! I remember they also edited the reason tinkerbell and peter pan fought to be the same as the manga which is interesting

[@oculieswaslive8086]

Ooh, and maybe even the Never Girls? I recall loving that book series when I was in elementary school, so it'd be cool to see that broken down along with all of the previously mentioned media!

[@midnighttcircus]

@@AthenaPOfficial that would be so amazing, i'd looove to hear what you think of the extra content!!!! i know there's no way to make the lore make sense bahahah but it's so fun to hear you talk about anyway!

[@saraayala7283]

I absolutely love Tinker Bell in every iteration. I have a whole shelf dedicated to her. And the fact she can only feel one emotion at a time because she’s so tiny is just like me fr.

[@literallywhy6162]

*looks at my tinker bell shelf next to me right now* I have found my people

[@neptea]

so do i!!! it’s been my hyper fixation since i was 6 😭😭

[@neptea]

i’m always on the lookout for more stuff to add to my tinkerbell collection lol

[@TheChaosCleric]

The "I don't want my god to die, so clap if you believe" bit was absolute gold It caught me off guard, and then I laughed for a solid 5 minutes while replaying in (22:58 for a good time)

[@maraneza-5370]

i can't believe it took me this long to find your channel 😂 also love that "embonpoint" plays in the background whenever the books talks about the fairies physical appearance

[@lucasmarble2572]

Imagine my complete and utter shock when I saw the stupid grave that took me 10 minutes show up on my screen. Where the hell did that come from? Almost as shocking knowing the Second Star on the Right was Athena the whole time. Also, F for Barbara Muddyfoam.

[@superzinbaproductions6689]

what do any of those words mean

[@TiredShyCreator]

Oh this makes sense now lol

[@SugarSpice07]

Athena forgot the Pirate Fairy Leapfrog game. I just *sobs * I feel so invisible. *sobs * That game was my childhood, and *sobs * she didn't even mention it. *sobs *

[@Cinnabun9]

I had the Lost Treasure one, you're not alone

[@meiday154]

My bias for Jesse McCartney made it so I can't hate Terrance no matter what. I just love his voice acting roles, and this is no exception

[@JiannaSandoval]

Nick Greyson is my personal favorite 😭💙🖤

[@Zonnebloem464]

I just realized that in the Pirate Fairy, Zarina was 100% willing to permanently disable all the winter fairies. With everyone asleep, there would be no one to work the snow/ice making machine, so all the winter fairies' wings would've shriveled up and broken off 😶 Rosetta said the poppy dust was enough to leave everyone asleep for days too...those wings would be GONE 😭

[@AthenaPOfficial]

Holy shit wait

[@vanguard1689]

God, I keep remembering the Secret of the Wings movie BUT SLEEP ON A MASTERPIECE LIKE THE NEVERBEAST WLKRJLDSKFJSLFDLSJ I will never recover from this morbid oversight in my memory. I will be rewatching this one at my next convenience. ... Even the summary you gave for it made me cry smhhhhhhhh

[@joshstack34]

Fun fact: the Peter Pan franchise has been around for 120 years.

[@hydroarchonfaker]

Hi Athena, I read these books as a kid. I was so hyperfixated on them. Heres a few things to help you better understand. The movies are EARLY i mean super early in the timeline. Before Tink meets Peter, before everything. Before destruction came to the pixie dust tree. a battle destroyed the Pixie Dust Tree with a terrible fire that swept Never Land burning everything in its path. That's why in the books theres no longer a Tree. And time moves differently in Neverland. It's faster, like while a year would pass on the homeland, typically a full five years could have passed in Neverland. The Books also indicate that while the original faerie girlies are still alive for the most part something tears them from Tink probably her living with Peter for so many years. The movies were suppose to end with one showing Tink meeting Peter Pan and leaving Pixie Hollow but that never ended up happening since the studio was closed before they could. Also Rani is pronounced like Ronny, she was always my favorite as a kid. It's also kind of implied that Prilla is autistic which is fun. As an audhd girlie I love seeing the REP. But Vidia also become more cold hearted in the books because of how much time had passed. I think she was really hurt with Tink left Pixie Hollow and while we don't know how she left it's implied she didn't tell anyone which is why in the books her original group of friends had drifted away except for Terence. I loved these books so much as a kid.

[@sharpeningtheaxe]

I played the Pixie Hollow game in my early twenties while recovering from getting my wisdom teeth out and it’s genuinely one of the fondest memories I have. In the handful of hours every day that I was conscious, I was having the time of my life being a cute little fairy and flying around collecting snowflakes with that magical background music playing. 10/10 perfect game

[@UwU_69420]

Where can you find it though?

[@VioletDraconia]

​@@UwU_69420 it was, sadly, shut down in 2013, but i've just discovered "We the Pixies" which is a rebuild project! (They're basically remaking the whole thing)

[@hgdellinger]

​@@UwU_69420 It's very dead, but maybe in the same places that you can find Club Penguin or Webkinz replicas?

[@CharaDreemurr-UT]

I had SO much fun watching this video! The jokes were so on point and every detail was well-thought. I have no idea who were you before this, but if your videos are like that, ma'am, you're one of the funniest analysis creators I've seen in a while!

[@RHKang-hl3ps]

So we all agree that the Legend of Neverbeast was more of an emotional gut-punch than expected? (Just hearing the summary makes me choked up still, ngl).

[@tearoses9940]

Literally, they basically treat the scene like having to put down a beloved pet. I didn’t even see the whole movie, I had walked in on the last 15 minutes of my roommates watching it, but after the end I had to just go cry in my room.

[@jimthecactus7425]

​@@tearoses9940 I get it, I started tearing up just from the clips in this video

[@deef1358]

I’m so obsessed with the wings

[@TheAntiDisneyGod]

Weirdo 😐

[@SutaFokusu]

​@@TheAntiDisneyGodhow?

[@yokaibuster6754]

I like how the left one is slightly ripped. I think it gives it like a little style

[@ethan9167]

That description of the wand ABSOLUTELY sounds sexual 😂

[@morgancrabtree6248]

Agreed. Probably doesn't help that one of the content creators I watch makes innuendos out of everything.

[@neptea]

thank you soooo much for making this video. tinkerbell is my special interest and it literally makes me SOOOO happy when people post videos about it still! i’m glad i found your channel!

[@jesterfairy3845]

Omg I'm so glad more people are talking about Disney Fairies. Those movies were my whole world. (Also love the Silvermist appreciation. She's my Queen)

[@moonlighthowling666]

Rani's name is pronounced RAH-nee. She's named after Gail Carson Levine (the author of the book)'s sister. I understand mispronouncing, I did until I heard the author say it. Rani was always my favorite character and I still use her metaphor of being "filled with water" as an excuse for why I'm such a chubby crybaby. Even her quirk of finishing people's sentences was something i related to because it was something i did

[@smolexfundie6458]

right…I know finishing people’s sentences is SO annoying, but as an adhd fam, it was super relatable

[@ElizabethHamilton-ty5li]

I caught that too! It’s funny cause it was the same mispronunciation she used in her Lion guard lore video! That one actually annoyed me more because books lend themselves to different pronunciations but with the Lion guard they pronounce the name in the show!

[@dust.runner]

I love her too. She was one of the first characters with a disability I ever encountered and I love her for that. I was so disappointed when she was replaced by just Silvermist in the movies... I love that she has an acquired disability which actually stays. She never gets her wings back. It's also really neat (imo) that she has a lot of other aspects and theming that can be applied to various other things, I absolutely can see the ADHD thing too as a neurodivergent who is also 'filled with water' haha

[@moonlighthowling666]

​@@dust.runneryes! the fact her lack of wings stays as an aspect of her character rather than giving her a factory reset at the end, felt ground breaking as a kid. I've heard people describing Brother Dove as a mobility aid, which is nice to see in children's media.

[@devonmmi]

OH SO I HAVE BEEN PRONOUNCING IT CORRECTLY THIS WHOLE TIME HOLY SHIT

[@v.v365]

They show young Captain Hook and Tick Tock Croc in the movies, and show a storyteller talking about the history with the Pixie Dust tree in the books, and I think that’s implying time worked normally before Neverland was awakened and Mother Dove got her magic egg, and only afterwards was aging frozen in place

[@DieloTheDino]

Great Fairy Rescue was always my favorite of the films, it was cute, emotional, sweet and simple. Neverbeast was a close second, only cause the existentialism in it broke my heart every time the film was put on.

[@JosephineWarren-ky8du]

I think my favorite one of the books was probably “The Fairy Without Wings” that book really struck a chord with me about the “not needing to be fixed” message I got from it.

[@cthoniccassandra7526]

That opening line of how Tinkerbell is older than every person on earth alive right now smacked me right in the face. While I know her, like most folks, from the mouse corporation that was a good way to emphasize how she is beyond that property honestly! She was always a problematic fave. Really great video!

[@ph0en1x28]

Imma list all the series I want you to do a lore dive on. 1. The Magic Treehouse series. (Also had a cancelled TV show I think?) 2. Ever After High books and TV show. 3. A Wrinkle in time and its spinoff meet the Austins 4. The Chrestomanci series by Diana Wynne Jones (It's literally amazing and bonkers) 5. The crazy world of Phineas and Ferb and more importantly, MILO MURPHY'S LAW 6. Mary Poppins. Just anything Mary Poppins. Admittedly, most of these don't have enough lore to value a full lore video, but all the same my childhood favourites would thank you if you did one.

[@eeveestars3668]

Hamster and Grettle are also part of the Phineas and Ferb universe and since that show is actually rather good want to make sure she dosent forget it 😊😊😊

[@mitchfletcher2386]

Magic Tree House had an anime movie.

[@ClarissaMcLaughlin]

@@mitchfletcher2386and a stage Musical. They used to include some of the songs at the end of the audiobooks which were prizes in kids meals

[@madisonwalter4233]

Magic tree house and ever after high are some of my favoritez

[@astridgog890]

OH MY GOD YES

[@-arthur-]

If i had a nickel for every time Tom Hiddleston played a character that had their hand bitten off and eaten by a crocodile/alligator, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice.

[@kevinr.9733]

And both times were for Disney-owned properties.

[@celestegrey]

Apparently the movies take place before the first 3 books, and mother dove was born out of a fire from the home tree after a war so we can assume that the movies are pre fairy war and the books are after, which makes sense with how much darker they are.

[@fightingfaerie]

That’s what I want to see now. Tinkerbell and the Fairy War. Lol. Fairies in acorn shell armor, massive battles mid air. Tinkerbell developing and building artillery to shoot enemy fairies out of the sky.

[@WinxAliNelCielo]

Well even though the setting of the film series (ie the Pixie Dust Tree) existed in the past within the books it’s unclear whether they’re the same canon cuz several characters’ personalities (for instance Vidia, whose redemption from Great Fairy Rescue never happens in the books, with her remaining a cruel fairy who betrays others, as well as the fairies being much more mean-spirited in general in the books) and appearances differ and then there’s the Tink north of neverland/lost treasure story repeating

[@kardamonn1115]

Tinker fairies are literally the coolest fairies I will die on that hill. They’re essentially the backbone of pixie Hollow and the fact that they weren’t allowed to go to the mainland is some bs Spring literally would not be done on time if not for their inventions.

[@user-uc4vf1ym4z]

I cant belive Athena didnt talk about Bobble and Clank. The fact that they live together and Bobble always calls Clank "Clanky"? Like?

[@0-_yikes-_0]

"Vidia- the Jade West if Pixie Hollow" !!! The accuracy with this statement is crazy

[@solofdragons6446]

An hour long video at 11 pm? I really shouldn't but... Oh I can't resist your lore breakdowns. Especially since I looooved Tinkerbell as a kid Addition: The car indicates that Tinkerbell and the Great Fairy Rescue takes place in probably the 1910s-1920s, the 1800s for most of the century is still way too early for those sorts of cars. The first car was invented in 1886, but it looked very different to what was modelled in the movie. Cars also didn't pick up in popularity until the 1900s in the UK, with there being 700-800 on the road in 1900, but they were also very expensive that early on.

[@Pinkywinkykinky]

Vidia in the third movie reminds me of Tigeress and her progression towards being nicer to Poe in the second Kung Fu Panda franchise like how Vidia was becoming friendlier with Tink

[@cosmiclasagna]

oh i loved tigeress’s character development during those movies, it sucks that the 4th one turned out the way it did lol

[@Pinkywinkykinky]

@@cosmiclasagna Haven't seen the 4th one but hear they were underused in the movie 😔

[@btsrosaline3559]

As a kid me and my brother were obsessed with a Barbie movies and Tinker Bell movies so one day like when we had I think I had a head cold so she stayed home because my mom was working. We’ve binged watched a bunch of movies we all we both walked up to the gas station and got ourselves a drink and candy and some microwave popcorn as I heard that fresh air helps when you’re not feeling good I chose. Nerds. And a icee (sore throat could not eat much) but popcorn was a a rare treat for my family only on movie nights, so we thought this might be something nice we could have

[@Corvustheguy]

The books are genuinely so iconic they are SO GOOD I love the cooking one

[@baihaqisodikin1416]

Love secret of the wings, definitely my favorite. You know Tinkerbell and the fairies of Neverland deserve their own series, like a soft reboot, spinoff shows, or honestly anything cartoon fairy related.

[@ca1yps0]

I love how there's still 21 other books from this series called the Never Girls that probably have even more lore, I remember something about them teleporting to neverland or something, simply put they were confusing to read as a kid

[@WinxAliNelCielo]

She should do a vid on the specials and other books

[@freshcupofangst]

1:12 so...basically an old fashioned way of saying "thicc"?

[@Anonymous.User.-lm3ri]

Yep

[@sofiacervantes4798]

They bout to drop "Wings of Starlight" More to the lore 😎

[@Imtranss]

17:06 BRO IS ON TO NOTHING DO NOT LET HER COOK SHE WILL BURN THE HOUSE DOWN

[@draila7022]

Shoutout to everyone who had a crush on Silvermist and/or Vidia when they were a kid

[@waterwitch1690]

“Her bangs which were the perfect length, whatever length they were” 😶🙃 wow what descriptive writing

[@devil3678]

A funfact about the Tinkerbell Movies is that in the german dubbing, a few fairys had different names. Iridessa was Klara, Silvermist was Silberhauch (Literary: Silverbreath) and Fawn was Emily which makes the least sense to me. Like, at least the others got names that made sense with their abilities, why should Fawn be Emily? I get that they probably wanted to use names that a child audience would understand as belonging to the element, but In Secret of the Fairy Wings, they still call Periwinkle by her orginal name

[@WinxAliNelCielo]

Emily????

[@Jay-uo5of]

The entire time you read tinker bells quote about Peter all I could think and hear is “PRISON. JAIL. THAT IS A SMALL BOY CHILD WHAT THE FUUUUCC-“

[@THEMIMIK]

44:22 Athena’s completely justified reaction is just amazing 😂