TANGLED LORE (i'm still processing this)

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I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH PART OF THIS VIDEO SHOCKED ME THE MOST.... this show truly went off the rails!
MORE LORE • LORE???
0:00 Intro: what’s going on?
1:14 Tangled original movie recap
6:53 Before Ever After
11:03 The Kingdom is dangerous
12:05 First episode
14:08 Season 1 intro stuff
17:17 The Royal Guards (and the king) are baaaad
22:52 Character moments/dynamics
28:35 Queen for a Day
32:00 Pre-season 1 finale
35:53 Season 1 FINALE
39:18 Season 2
44:56 Rapunzel and the Great Tree
49:58 Pre-season 2 finale
55:18 Season 2 FINALE
57:26 Season 3
1:12:33 Varian and the Seven Kingdoms
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[@AthenaPOfficial]

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[@mayawalart6196]

Between you and Big Tugg, Morgan & Morgan is just sponsoring left and right. But hey get that bag babes 😙💅

[@E10Cat]

Hey Athena , I wanted to let you know there are bits with your profile picture replying to people with copy and pasted comments! I don’t know what they’re trying to do but in case it’s something bad I wanted you to know!

[@Ellahavefun1x]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can you PLEASE do a lore video for the boss baby franchise? Or just watch all of the movies spinoffs and stuff? I DONT WANT TO BE THE ONLY ONE STILL😢

[@user-vz7gp1kd2i]

Could you please do a lore video on the ben 10 franchise please

[@chloefinn9789]

My favourite part way 59:13 it was very funny! But I loved the whole thing

[@Zozo_Eclipse]

The queen falling ill in her kingdom callled Corona is so ironic

[@TheAntiDisneyEmperor]

Hahaha I see what you did there

[@slashEdance3]

And they probably drink corona beer

[@helengoble1454]

That’s hilarious.

[@evacorrell3116]

Queen Elizabeth the third

[@Bunni_Rxses]

I read that as iconic at first 😭

[@gabriela1490]

Can we just talk about how little Rapunzel’s mom is mentioned? She’s the whole reason rapunzel got her hair in the 1st place😭😭

[@beingafk3494]

Arianna was originally a bigger part of the story. She was supposed to join Rapunzel on her road trip, but they replaced her with Hook Foot. I guess because the voice actress was to busy.

[@hoc7262]

Noooo! You’re kidding me!? I always wished for Arianna to have been more present in the series, I feel so robbed!😭💀

[@Varian-le8hz]

@@beingafk3494wait who said that ?

[@anomaliecosmos]

They fixed the lamp with the flower- but because Rapunzel was born under the light of the lamp she got magic- but Varian stole the lamp...god no hate on Arianna herself she just got shafted narratively now that you mention it.

[@boredaf4721]

Right cause even as a kid I was like why Rapunzel mom just on the back burner she produced a MAGICAL CHILD

[@viviezZz]

cassandra's real reason to become a villain was the rage of going through a sapphic situationship like 😭😭😭😭

[@haileyfarmer6375]

I don’t blame her 😭

[@Kakuyawolf3456]

Cassandra really took be gay do crime to another lvl

[@Shsy7573]

“The more time that passes the less I blame Varian” SO REAL! Me too. Guy is 15, they knew his father was in dangers and being like- encased, and they never bothered to be like: “hey! Maybe we should go check and make sure this FIFTEEN YERA OLD hasn’t like… essentially become an orphan.”

[@taylorhagen3916]

Exactly he's forgiven by me, he's a child and honestly has very good reasons Unlike other betrayers, Ahem Cassandra

[@Scarlet_Starlight]

My biggest issue is that they left THE 15 YEAR OLD ORPHAN unsupervised in the royal dungeon with Actual, Literal Terrorists. WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?!

[@user-kp2tu6hz7i]

even worse, he wasnt 15, HE WAS 14, then 15 in season 2......meaning he spent his birthday IN JAIL

[@yoursonisold8743]

@@user-kp2tu6hz7i Yeah but he tried to kill the royal family. He may have overreacted and felt bad about it later, but that was a big crime. Of course he would go to jail.

[@achingforstrength]

​@@user-kp2tu6hz7i that is just heartbreaking 💔 😭

[@quartzossie]

"It's no wonder her weapon of choice is PAN" is such an iconic line XD

[@Soda-paws]

As someone who is PAN i love making memes like this-

[@endereye964]

Actually made me laugh out loud. XD

[@mochimatchi]

I hate those types of jokes so much but she pulled it off the right way it got a giggle outta me I'll admit 😭

[@EnbyGhostFin]

as someone whos pan, it was a perfect line

[@AnthonyCarlosGeruzaDutra]

The part where Athena was beating the camera with a pan and in one of the sequences she beats the camera with an PAN flag caught me wheezing too

[@totebagally]

"Later, someone gets mad at Rapunzel FOR being kidnapped." I HAVE NEVER HAD MY CASSANDRA DISTASTE SUMMED UP SO WELL, WHAT IS HER DAMAGE

[@ashleypanzica2696]

I like Cassandra, but, yeah her anger at Rapunzel makes no sense! 🤦‍♀

[@maem7462]

I love Cas but how the show handled her villain arc was a bit crazy. Part of her issues kinda were being mad that Repunzel was kidnapped. They should’ve had more focus on the other part of it which is that it was so easy for Repunzel to be liked and get a lot of the stuff she wanted. They could’ve and should’ve tied in a bit of her being mad at the kingdom for not being very good and made at her adopted dad for not telling her the truth and not having faith in her. Not having faith in her skills/trusting her is another part of why she’s mad at Repunzel. There were better elements to have more focus on. I do get to an extent Cas being mad for getting her possible good life taken away especially with the trick of the memories making it seem like Gothel actually cared and loved her. It is still a bit weird for that part to have such a big focus. I feel like the songs Waiting in The Wings and Crossing The Line focuses on those moments so well to where you don’t need much more to justify her actions. Since they wanted to add more they didn’t need as much focus on those other elements.

[@livvworm]

What did Cass want from Rapunzel seriously??? An apology?? “Sorry your mom abandoned you to kidnap me . . . wait, no, I’m not sorry, because that was in no way, shape, or form my fault.”

[@Frogcoven]

And then people ship them 😭

[@figs-oliomedley]

PENN ZERO PFP, BASED

[@boopdoop8595]

I personally think that Rapunzel’s hair and eyes turn black and not blue is because Rapunzel already has the powers of the sundrop, making it an eclipse :3

[@aquariumstudios1430]

OOOOO I LOVE THIS THEORY

[@user-lx5vw9nx7q]

YOOOOOO

[@MorbidOW2]

The "no wonder her weapon of choice is pan" joke was god tier

[@saiche100]

It’s like they took like 5 concepts for Tangled 2 and said “DO IT. ALL OF IT.”

[@achingforstrength]

Kind of not the worst strategy in theory - "do you have a lot of ideas for a sequel? Make them a series!" 🤔

[@AaliyahKelsey]

I want a Rapunzel AU where it’s set in modern times where a chronically online Rapunzel learns to touch grass because of manic pixie dream boy Eugene

[@Lunaxoxo3333]

Now that'd be awesome 😂

[@SEGASister]

I think that’s an actual book.

[@tiaraglory2796]

Cress from the Lunar Chronicles tbh

[@CatsAreAwesome321]

@@tiaraglory2796nice to meet a fellow Lunar Chronicles fan

[@thelizzievb]

This would be absolutely incredible

[@rolanslide8509]

Imagine having the audacity to look the teen boy that you assaulted, kidnapped and drugged in the eye and say "You think I'm the *bad guy?*" like girl 😭😭😭

[@yoursonisold8743]

Said teen boy kidnapped, drugged and assaulted people first though. And she didn't actually torture him. The issue was that she sees Varian objectively as a villain (that`s the last she knew him as) and he tries to lecture her about being evil. He is right of course, but you gotta see why that would upset her.

[@rolanslide8509]

@@yoursonisold8743 yeah that's fair

[@lucygarrett9785]

It’s so cool that they got the OG voice actors back for this, an all around great cast Also this show was clearly taking casting seriously when they casted Jeremy Jordan (Jack in Newsies, Clyde in Bonnie and Clyde, now Gatsby in the Great Gatsby, etc) as varian Eden Espinosa (Maureen in Rent and original understudy of Elphaba in Wicked) as Cassandra And James Monroe Iglehart (Genie in Aladdin, King Arthur in Spamalot and he was Lafayette/Jefferson in Hamilton at one point) as Lance

[@lucygarrett9785]

I just remembered that both Jeremy and James were in Hazbin Hotel so if you want to hear more voice acting from them that’s where you could go

[@Shakajaka]

Petition for Athena to watch all of the big hero 6 franchise

[@The-Glitch-Error]

Yesssss

[@Angninjin22]

Yes, that will be fun to watch. Also nice pfp

[@KingOfGaymes]

I keep forgetting BH6 had a show

[@PickledRamona]

Yes please!!! I’m having trouble getting my monkey brain to focus on the 2D animated show and I need a way to force myself to watch it 😂

[@lily-if8ir]

And shorts and a ba6max series​@@KingOfGaymes

[@avaglennon9873]

My favorite theory is that the moonstone made Cass ill because she gets paler and paler as season 3 goes on. Unfortunately nothing comes of it, but I would've loved if we unpacked that in a season 4. The music in this show slaps, and they really casted so many amazing singers.

[@The-Glitch-Error]

You are a genius sir/ma'am

[@maem7462]

I haven’t heard that theory but I also like it

[@agoodmango4124]

AND THE CONTRAST, THE SUN DROP HEALS WHILE THE MOON DROP MAKES YOU ILL, THE SUN DROP GIVES YOU WHAT YOU ONCE HAD, THE MOON DROP THEN TAKES IT AWAY FROM YOU

[@The1andonlysharpshooter]

It kinda makes sense bcs if the sunflower keeps people young, the moonstone was probably just slowly killing her 😭

[@S0ap_Bvbbl3z]

I love Jeramy Jordan

[@TheforeverPigeonKing]

Wild kratts lore, all I need is wild kratts lore. Heck you have already seen them. In odd squads there was a small cross over where Chris and Martian started doing their usual routine, then the odd squad came in to help them with something odd before leaving.

[@lunatpr5594]

She mentioned in a community post a while back that she'll be covering Wild Kratts in August.

[@Corvustheguy]

The day she gives us wild Kratts lore is the day my life is complete

[@ikirbeeburgr]

6:31 Woah, woah, woah. “Falling”? Are we going to ignore the fact that the lizard TRIPPED HER? He is a hero

[@lusaminefushiguro5332]

My favorite part of this show is how Rapunzel cuts her hair *at the same lenght Eugene did* it makes me smile and go HAH at any idiot that complains about Eugene "cutting her hair too short" like wow sorry the guy was dying and couldn't think of cutting it a little longer

[@vexywexypoo]

Fr it's not his fault he was literally DYING LIKE 💀

[@anitamihholap5926]

And also, long hair was how Rapunzel was abused and exploited her whole life, and it's all you care about, that she's not "pretty" anymore?

[@mimicmey]

And also like, HAIR GROWS. She'll only look a little odd for maybe a few weeks or months, and imo she doesn't even look bad with short hair?? What??

[@belphegutz_]

​@@mimicmeywasn't the whole point that it didn't grow back when it was cut? cause I swear in the movie you can see that the original bit gothel cut was still very short???

[@justaperson4656]

​@@belphegutz_ yeah, it was. That was something that was changed for the show though

[@njivwathomassilavwe2056]

The music in this is fantastic, anything with Cassandra or Varian is an immediate win. This show made me hate Gothel even more cause she had a whole ass kid that she abandoned to steal someone else's. The Decay incantation is easily one of the coolest things ever and moon stone Cass looks fantastic. Only still kinda ship Cass and Raps because I refuse to acknowledge Gothel as her mother though I do love the ship( poly Rapunzel real)

[@hayamihinata4135]

Agreed, no wonder Nothing Left to Lose was always my favorite song from the show

[@caseyp5861]

Yeah me liking this show and Varian helped me get more excited for Hazbin Hotel. Also I feel like despite some issues in the last season the Captain was a good dad for Cassandra.

[@flapjacks8860]

nothing left to loose has been my most streamed song on spotify 3 years in a row 😭

[@falconanddragons2214]

@@hayamihinata4135 Nothing left to lose is such a slapping song

[@tinytaleah]

Eden Espinosa and Jeremy Jordan together are a recipe for a banger

[@AMirrorCat]

The “Ready as I’ll Ever Be” song has lived rent free in my skull since I first heard it back in 2017

[@achingforstrength]

Same here

[@tessa5329]

Athena changing her hair every time Rapunzel did was *chefs kiss*

[@BrotherhoodforLife277]

Once more, Athena flys from afar and comes back to our nest. She feeds us with the best slop of content the wilds have to offer. And once we are full once more, she flys out bravely into the sky seeking for more to return with.

[@The-Glitch-Error]

Yep

[@kimzee4647]

FEED US

[@The_Darke_Lorde]

*Screms like a bebe egel*

[@justaperson4656]

​@@The_Darke_Lorde nah I imagine us more lick cockatoos, throwing out athenas actual family to get her to feed us instead

[@Roeseii]

i feel like the use of the word "slop" here is insulting to the amazing videos she makes, but I also wholeheartedly agree a lot of youtube content is just brainmelting at this point

[@Moonlightingale]

When this show was first announced, I thought it was just another cash grab from Disney (and it sort of was on the company’s side). But the creators really did an amazing job expanding the lore and world of Tangled. The music is fantastic, especially whenever Cassandra or Varian sing. And the story is well thought out in my opinion. I watched the show from beginning to end while it was airing, and I’m telling you the cliffhangers 😂 This show has a soft spot in my heart, and I’m glad you covered it! ❤ Edit: I'm so glad you addressed Varian and the Seven Kingdoms 😭

[@spleens4200]

My favorite fact is the voice actor for Varian is the voice for Lucifer Morningstar in hazbin hotel lol

[@maem7462]

For me I gave Before Happily Ever After and one episode of the show a chance. I enjoyed the movie but the first episode I saw I was kinda bored by. Sadly that kept me from watching it while it aired. I would’ve loved to see everyone’s predictions during those moments. I binged it a few years later. I had heard some songs from it. One was an animatic that used Nothing Left to Loose. I had found from a comment or something saying that it’s from this show bc I needed to know where it was from so I could watch it. Then I was so busy with school to where I didn’t have much time and kinda forgot about it. Then I heard Ready as I’ll ever be I think first in an animatic again and then forgot abt it and then I heard the song on TikTok. After the best songs being in my feed I was like I gotta watch it now

[@maem7462]

@@spleens4200 He’s a very talented guy. He also played Jack Kelly in the broadway version of Newsies. I’m so glad he has gotten more big stuff somewhat recently with TTS and Hazbin Hotel

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Same I remember when the show was airing I was enjoying every second of it. The cliffhangers left me shambles.

[@boopdoop8595]

@@spleens4200My personal fav is that he also played as Light Yagami in Death Note: The Musical :D

[@nicklausendicott]

Love the commitment to swapping wigs every time the characters did. We love a costume change.

[@ventusthekey5187]

Something you don't really talk about is how beautifully animated this series is. I'm still haunted by the way the first time Rapunzel sings the moonstones incantation looks. Girlie looks good with that flowing black hair.

[@PorkSzoda]

Ive always thought it was so weird that rapunzel and eugene meet and fall in love ON her 18th birthday, like nice save disney. 🤨

[@slashEdance3]

Eugene almost ended up like a 2010s minecraft youtuber

[@yamyam4050]

@@slashEdance3no no, she’s way too old for a Minecraft KZbinrs taste

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

​@@yamyam4050REAL

[@PoppilyPoppy]

For real, and the fact that he was the first man she’s ever met because she was being held captive and away from society. The movie does not age well at all.

[@insertusernamehere3173]

He really met her at 17 and then as soon as she turned 18 he kissed her. sir you're 26 and you're going after the girl who acts young cause shes been stuck a tower for years lmao

[@thunderdrum325]

Fun fact! My animation teacher worked on this series. They didnt have tablets, so if they needed a new hand or whatever, they had to draw a rough outline of what they needed to send to the rig people edit: He left before they got tablets, but they got them eventually

[@sydneyknobloch4095]

That's cool

[@benwyatt4081]

Athena’s energy, dancing around in this long blonde wing, is EVERYTHING! She is slaying!

[@GeekInSequins]

As someone who cohosts a podcast about this show (Corona After Dark: A Tangled Podcast,) I love seeing other people get as sucked in as I have and share their thoughts on it! I agree that we should abolish Disney sequel movies and replace them with series with increasingly unhinged lore. More time for filler episodes that feel like fever dreams! Have an obligatory "everyone is a bird now" episode for every single show.

[@idontexist9238]

its always annoyed me how little effort mother gothel put in. like she could've so easily changed rapunzels name and just- not told her what a birthday is

[@tomforge614]

Or moved to a little fishing village three kingdoms over instead of 20 miles from the castle town?

[@Mordecai.Harris]

Rapunzel (5 years old): "Mother, when is my birthday?" Gothel (distracted): "It's that day with all the floating lanterns." R: "What." G: "What."

[@idontexist9238]

@@Mordecai.Harris no but like that's the thing, gothel 100% had to deliberately tell her too, cuz how would someone living in complete isolation basically since birth even know what the concept of a birthday is unless someone told her

[@lelduck6388]

Did she have a bunch of books to learn from though? Then again mother Gothel could’ve just proofread them and cross out any facts or details she didn’t like.

[@LitaliCat]

also why didnt she let rapunzerl play around the tower? it was hidden anyway, and if she did maybe rapunzel wont be so determent to go outside

[@pomyata_myata]

they had no business making the series SO EXPANDED but thanks god they did

[@raptorwares7387]

Beating the camera with the frying pan and then having it briefly become the pan flag was such a good bit

[@dearprincesscelestia6477]

Y’all have no idea the sheer chokehold this show had on me when I was 15. I forced my cousin to watch it with me (and he eventually even started enjoying it), I’d watch it every day, sometimes during class, but because I was a quiet, studious kid the teachers never suspected a thing. I posted like 12 tangled fan fictions to ao3, I spent every waking second listening to the ost, when it came time for my birthday, all I wanted were the TTS books. I was so vocal abt my love for the show and movie that some of my teachers even started calling me Rapunzel. Like deadass once in my drama class some girls made fun of my Tourette’s and made me cry, so I walked out. When I came back to get my stuff, my teacher asked if I’d be ok and I said “yeah, I’ll go home and watch Tangled and I’ll be fine,” he looked at me and just said “you’re crazy! What is it with you and Tangled? Why Tangled??” It was intense for everyone involved. Shoutout to my cousin though for being the Varian to my Rapunzel.

[@sprinkles06]

LEGIT!!!! THis show meant soooo much to me at 14-15, genuinely is how I met all my online friends on instrgam, I got added to a group chat just cause we all loved varian sm and I'm so glad I met them all because we're all still friends to this day and it was just a really cool part of my life, I remember the nothing left to lose snippet coming out and avoiding it with my LIFEEEE everyone talking about it omg those were the times. And the fandom being called the black rockers haha.

[@dearprincesscelestia6477]

@@sprinkles06 Ah I so wish I was more involved with the fandom!! But yeah us being called the black rockers was freakin epic I love it.

[@sprinkles06]

@@dearprincesscelestia6477 you weren't involved in the fandom? :0

[@dearprincesscelestia6477]

@@sprinkles06 the thing abt Disney channel is that new shows tend to get little to no marketing in my country (Australia), so I wasn’t actually aware of the show at all until 2020 and didn’t start watching until 2023 ahaha. I didn’t have cable either and my family didn’t get Disney+ until late 2020. Now I’d say I’m fairly involved with what remains of the fandom. I still write fan fiction and draw fanart (none of which I’ve posted but yk), and I cosplayed as moonstone Cass at a convention last year. Plus I was also fairly young when the show first released so I wouldn’t have been allowed social media.

[@thereel1_real]

“Don’t you dare talk about going outside ever again! Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going outside.” What a hypocrite 😂

[@archsage121]

Athena with a Morgan & Morgan sponsor was not on my lore bingo card

[@bingette7832]

I love the fact that pretty much no matter who covers this show and shared thoughts on it, everyone unanimously agrees that the reason for Cass’s turn at the end of s2 was pretty damn illogical. Like, so many ppl have agreed on this that it’s kinda hilarious that the writers couldn’t come up with a better execution for Cass’s villain arc.

[@Zephyriar]

I loved the hope you had for Cass's character arc and also how you legit sound like you wanna fist fight her while also simultaneously cheering her in to get with Rapunzel

[@Neevkl_7]

I’m still mad that Moana 2 got turned into a Movie when it was originally going to be a show. Let’s hope the Tiana show makes it through

[@morgancrabtree6248]

It was supposed to be a show? Also Tiana show?

[@Neevkl_7]

@@morgancrabtree6248 yep Tiana show all we know about it is that it exists. My unrealistic expectation is that it’ll follow semi real world history and we’ll see Tiana try to get her restaurant through the Great Depression, and maybe have an arc where she nearly turns to voodoo to do so

[@abithefallenhuman921]

​@@Neevkl_7they'd need to be careful with a voodoo storyline, since it's a real religious practice Disney ended up worsening the image of

[@WinxAliNelCielo]

I hope it doesn’t turn out like Cinderella 2 (even though I like that film) or belles magical world

[@Moonlightingale]

@@Neevkl_7 Yes! I really hope the Tiana series wasn’t scrapped. Tangled and The Princess and the Frog are two of my favorite movies. If the Tiana series is as good as TTS/RTA, then that would be amazing!

[@flapjacks8860]

tangled the series is one of my favorite shows, jeremy jordan deserved more than 3 songs 😭🙏

[@NewsiesForeverSecondToNone]

IKRRRRRRR HE NEEDED MORE EPISODES I LOVE JERJOR SOOOOO MUCH THATS HOW I DISCOVERED THIS SHOW

[@onceuponahair20]

EXACTLY!!!!!

[@honeydragon3909]

@@NewsiesForeverSecondToNone lmao with that username? I couldn't tell. (I fucking LOVE newsies, I have watched it 3 times in one day before; learning jeremy jordan was in TTS was the whole reason I started watching it lol) (I also like the songs he's in in the Bonnie and Clyde musical, even tho that musical is overall not a fav of mine)

[@Kay-sc8fi]

I saw him in The Great Gatsby on Broadway yesterday and he was absolutely amazing, 11 year old me was screaming inside. I discovered him in tangled the series 5-6 years ago so that just felt like a full circle moment

[@NewsiesForeverSecondToNone]

@@Kay-sc8fi I saw him in Gatsby in April I was FREAKING OUT SO MUCH I EVEN GOT TO MEET HIM AT STAGEDOOR

[@VirtuosoI]

Ngl Cassandra having a villain arc was kinda deserved and a cool idea to keep the show interesting especially after getting her hand burnt and crunchy. Cassandra had plenty of other reasons to be mad and fed up with Rapunzel but man the Gothel reason didn't land at all. She had the right to be mad at Raps and even resent her for being abandoned bc who wouldn't. That could've fueled her villain arc but blaming Raps was where they lost me. She was a baby!

[@genera1013]

I believe the name for it is misplaced anger. An example of this would be an episode from Little House on the Prairie where a dad subconsciously blames his son for his wife dying in child birth and beats him anytime he drinks. While that is a fictional example, it happens a lot in real life.

[@insert._.name._.here._7708]

God I never thought about how much chemistry ALL THREE of them have together until I watched this episode AND IT WORKS SO WELL OMG

[@CatalinaLinal7710]

Cassandra's moon arc was done so unbelievably dirty, I still can't believe it. It could have been a great conflict, but nooooooooooooo

[@anonymouslucario285]

Did it ruin the show?

[@azureaquarius4487]

@@anonymouslucario285 yes

[@anonymouslucario285]

@@azureaquarius4487 do you hate the show?

[@gargodziel]

for reals- the third season couldve been so much better but how cassandra's villain arc is done really brings it down ToT

[@CatalinaLinal7710]

@@anonymouslucario285 i wouldnt say it ruined the entire show. Watching season 1 and 2 is in my opinion not tainted by it because there the Rapunzel and Cassandra conflict actually builds up very well which the third season kinda just throws out of the window for flimsy bs. So the build up remains, it's just the pay off that really sucks and is frustrating because you know how much could have been done with this but they just keep it aggravatingly vague and constantly go back and forth with Cassandra's characterization. Cassandra is obviously the character hurt the most by this writing, but even for her, her character isn't outright ruined because of how noticeable the line is between season 2 and 3. It is more infuriatingly wasted potential than actually ruining her character and the story

[@masterripper5409]

I love how in the lore series we’re evolving from kids shows to Disney Princess media.

[@tropicalsquid8802]

Cassandra x Rapunzel is like adding your own oc in your fanfic to ship with a canon character so you can make the canon one gay

[@laibatangled]

I don’t like that ship even though I love Cass

[@theenchantress404]

Same-​@@laibatangled

[@WinxAliNelCielo]

@@laibatangledme too

[@madmouse1016]

@@laibatangled literally 😭it feels a little forced- like you're really having her relive moments with her that she shared and had with her soon to be fiance/husband that were key moments of their bonding together, like- what??

[@yoursonisold8743]

Well the show never tried to pretend it would work out? From the start we knew Rapunzel was going to marry Eugene. The fact that Rapunzel might also be bi and had some unresolved feelings with her female best friend enriches her character, but it's not "making the canon gay".

[@reiko_writes_fanfic]

MY FAVORITE PART WAS WHEN YOU HAD SAID THE JOKE ABOUT VARIAN’S MARKER MUSTACHE! I LITERALLY DIED OF LAUGHTER AT THAT PART

[@tomhopper7012]

Gotta appreciate the dedication to getting multiple wigs to match Rapunzel.

[@the_UF365]

Before The Owl House, this was the first Disney show I tried to follow as it was coming out. The only problem was, Disney never hic-yucking advertised anything within the third season well enough for me to know that it didn't just get cancelled after the season 2 cliffhanger.

[@ReaperBlaze76]

I knew when the show was coming on and it was still difficult to catch episodes. I even had DVR at the time, but Disney's schedule was so weird and stuff never came on time so I'd never be able to to fully record a whole episode

[@ladakaplan]

my favorite part was when the thing about Rapunzel never checking in on Varian was acknowledged. i mean they could've at the very least added a throw-away line about him running away and them sending someone to look for him? it was so weird my girl had the audacity to be all womp womp I broke my promise but never actually?? doing anything to fix it?? and not like Varian's father died or something... like he was literally not going ANYWHERE

[@lowbudgetfries9127]

'where did hugh.. go' is SUCH a good line im sobbig

[@Forbranna]

The one thing we needed in season 3 that might have saved her villain arc was a full Cassandra backstory episode after be very afraid. In this episode Cassandra starts to pull away from Zahn Tiri because she knows hurting Rapunzel is too far. She would then stumble across the remains of the house of yesterday's tomorrow, which would then be magically reconstructed by Zahn Tiri and Cass would be shown more bad things about her past. Maybe she was interrogated as a four year old on the whereabouts of mother gothel to help them find the princess. (I definitely think king Fredrick would be desperate enough) Maybe her adoptive father was forced to do royal guard stuff and neglected Cassandra. Maybe Cass did things in her childhood that were well meaning, but her dad disapproved. We'd have owl maybe trying to reminder of all the good times in her life, and how much she loves rapunzel and her father. It would be interesting to see cass going back and forth between good and evil throughout the episode. Finally she'd succumb to darkness after Zahn Tiri tells her Rapunzel isn't a real friend. She'd point out how Rapunzel bever listen to Cass, or bother to try to understand how she was feeling. To seal the deal, she'd talk about what happened at the tree and say that Rapunzel easily could've grabbed the spear and used it herself, but insisted on using the decay spell, causing cass to hurt her hand. She then got mad at Cass for something that was 100% her fault. Zahn Tiri would convince Cass that no one ever truly loved and appreciated her, so why should she care for and appreciate others. Then black rocks would shoot out from the ground around cass as she succumbs to her rage. Owl, horrified by what he's seeing flies off to try to find Rapunzel. But we didn't get that. Instead we got "pascal has a dragon friend", which Athena didn't even mention because nobody freaking cares.

[@vexywexypoo]

I love pascal but every time I watch that episode I can't wait for it to be over

[@Forbranna]

@UCNZ52xJ4uOe2jqlBUuOUbwg I'm doing fine. Honestly, the way Cassandra's villain arc was written makes me sad. She's my favorite character. I don't think I've ever felt such a strong emotional connection with a fictional human than I did with Cassandra. She literally made me cry. I relate to feeling inadequate, and getting angry when I felt like people weren't respecting my talents enough. I''ve been through that, and it took me a long time to be able to trust people to be my friends again. Even my own stepdad made me feel like garbage. And there are definitely times in my life where I just wanna sing crossing the line and shoot black rocks out of the floor at the people who care about me. So I don't blame Cassandra, I blame the writers.

[@yoursonisold8743]

I think a lot of this backstory was already implied though.

[@alex_alr1ght]

I can't wait to see how TANGLED up Athena gets in the lore !

[@phoenixc7245]

You're punny

[@alexandrajones4518]

Oh you * rolls eyes while smiling * Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[@Pollenater429]

@@alexandrajones4518are you okay 😭🙏

[@alexandrajones4518]

@@Pollenater429 no

[@Pollenater429]

@@alexandrajones4518 real

[@PerryTima]

Cass and Eugene have a Tuck and Ming-Ming type dynamic.

[@swipnip8384]

THIS AND VARIAN AND THE SEVEN KINGDOMS HAS BEEN MY HYPERFIXATION FOR A YEAR I SCREAMED IN JOY WHEN I SAW YOU POSTED THIS OMG

[@carolinemann2186]

Can I just take a moment to appreciate how hilarious the add placement was? Like genuinely one of the most entertaining sponsorships I think I’ve ever seen. Athena never dissapoints

[@samlewis6487]

I unprompted started singing Ready as I'll Ever Be the other day, if that proves how good this series is

[@Neevkl_7]

I still sing it when I get ready to go somewhere

[@bethbayless5652]

Every time I need to go to work, I sing the song

[@alexeben2902]

My favorite part was " Gasp! Is that a wrinkle? I have to steal a baby!" 10/10 characterization of Gothel. 😂

[@ravenclawfairy3648]

Tangled the Animated Series/Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure means the world to me. My favorite parts of this series is the songs, especially "Nothing Left To Lose" and "Waiting in the Wings". Those songs resonated so strongly with me and my past traumas. Rapunzel is the character my friends see me as and it's a huge compliment for me. My boyfriend relates to Eugene and when I showed him this show, he loved it immediately ❤️

[@anarchium_wellsquest]

The Ad transition actually almost made me slip and fall as I was going down they stairs in the library, I know who to call at least!

[@caseyp5861]

There was so much that went on in this show and all the writers gave it their all for absolutely no reason.

[@Zephyriar]

Rapunzel really said "this is my girlfriend and she can do no wrong"

[@viktorlucious6585]

The transition to the ad was genuinely so smooth that I thought it was just a skit at first.

[@kosmickats]

Tangled is a franchise that I'm really glad Disney invested in and expanded. The amount of lore in this franchise? This was an amazing tv series and I'm so glad they created it

[@russellharrell2747]

I wish Princess and the Frog had expanded lore. Or something. I guess it would be a bit difficult but not impossible to continue the story. RIP Ray.

[@kosmickats]

@@russellharrell2747 They could "dig a little deeper" into the voodoo aspects of the story. I think there was a scrapped storyline about Facilier being Mama Odie's son. If they were to add on to the universe and lore, I'd like to see that

[@gabrielam65]

Athena looks great in the rapunzel hair

[@faithbrann612]

BTW Varian is voiced by Jeremy Jordan, who is literally one of the best actors on broadway right now.

[@allanapatterson5784]

My favorite part of this video was that it was over an hour long and SOMEHOW I managed to stay amused and engaged through the whole thing.

[@_-NatureMations-_]

I do hate the obligatory everyone has to like everyone eposode, but honestly I do love how they don't end up friends in the end, and every time they meet it's as people with a dislike for eachother. Edit: Also I love how Varian isn't even technically a main character but still gets a hero dose of near-death experiences-

[@TeethDeer]

Now I wanna see the Ever After High lore recap so badly (especially the part with two dead bodies in a well)

[@xx_robotkrew_xx1446]

1:02:21 honestly hearing that makes me relate so much to Rapunzel. With even though the person you thought was your friend betrayed you in the worst way possible, you still want to be friends again… unfortunately I went through something similar a few years ago, and I honestly still want to be friends with those people even though they hurt me so badly… it’s rough man

[@elias9956]

1:12:50 Immediately after seeing the characters' designs from Varian and the Seven Kingdoms, I saw Hugo and went "yup, that's his boyfriend. They got matching clothes"

[@JasLamArr91]

I wish companies would just go the TV series route instead of doing movie sequels. I've never even seen Tangled yet, but watched and liked the tv series.

[@leonj1853]

I cannot put into words how much I needed Athena to plow through Tangled Lore

[@princeofgames1740]

Athena - she has long brown hair, but I don't have a wig for that Also Athena - born with long brown hair

[@FormerlyEpesi]

My favorite part of this video is you calling out Cassandra's bullshit, because my god there are fans who think she did nothing wrong and I just cannot deal. Also the pan joke was very good. I also thought Zhan Tiri's little ghost girl form was going to be Mother Gothel, so it's cool that you had the same thought. I actually think it would have worked better that way, because then Cass would realize that she finally got to meet her mother, only to be manipulated, used, and cast aside by her for power. (Also, as a side note, it's implied that Mother Gothel was once one of Zhan Tiri's followers, but seemingly did not remain loyal like the others; I think having her be the ghost girl could have tied things up in a neat little bow, but ah well.)

[@elektraskittles97]

Athena used a Centaurworld audio clip halfway through the video which means SHE KNOWS WHAT IT IS!!! So I desperately need her to make a video on it

[@falconanddragons2214]

I've wanted this to be covered so much. Also Eugene needs to be checked... as well as anyone else Rapunzel's hit with that pan. That shit is cast iron and she hits hard. Also why do people always assume Rapunzel needs to be protected? Challenge of the Brave shows she's actually very skilled in martial arts and combat. Also fun fact: Queen Ariana is voiced by the same actress who played Claire Dunphy in Modern Family and Varian's voiced by Jeremy Jordan, who voiced Winn Schott in Supergirl.

[@ijlayugan4149]

"I see why PAN is Rapunzels weapon of choice *Shows pan flag*" "I need this polycule to be polyCOOL" im not even halfway the video but im crying

[@beingafk3494]

My personal headcanon is that Cassandra actually died when she slammed the moonstone into her chest (the rocks came out of her body when they formed her catsuit-armor), so she has to be under the influence of the stone. It is also obvious that the stone becomes her life energy from that point on, since she never eats again after that moment. Before we did see her eat and she is the only (important) character who we do not see eat in season 3. Also her hair and eyes turn blue...most importantly her eyes, since changing eye color means being influenced/possessed by something. The show also shows us that detail multiple times. So, when the stone broke Cassandra lost some of the life energy and that why she got paler. Before someone ask how she could still move when Zhan Tiri took the stone away from her: I like to thing the moonstone is similar to a soul gem from Madoka Magica in that regard. Meaning she can stay away from it withing a certain distance to be able to move, but has to have it on her body to use it's powers.

[@CrobatmanIamthenight]

tangled was underrated, it deserved more seasons. it was really damn good.

[@kel.sharpe]

"when will my life begin?" more like how much life can Rapunzel live ☝ also the pan joke 🩷💛🩵

[@mika_707]

Ngl my favourite part is the dedication to changing wigs depending on repunzel’s hair, that was just fucking awesome

[@Lauren-hc1zz]

This was my favorite thing you have ever made. You have no idea how much I love Rapunzel. I have 3 feet of hair, I have cause played her. She is my favorite princess. My car is green and has flowers all over the ceiling that looks like her hair flowers. I have little floating lights painted on a jacket and I'm gonna paint them on my car. This was amazing. Thank you so much for making it!! You've caused me to send paragraphs and paragraphs about the whole poly situation to my friends, they hate me now but it was worth it (jk). This was one of the best things I've ever seen in my life thank you so much!!

[@squidmom3162]

I love how everyone in this show really is just. ✨Pan vibes✨ Also, in Cass’ defense, trauma from abandonment only to learn the one person that everyone ALREADY likes more than her, end up being the one Gothel CHOSE to raise is a pretty big life change. Also, consider the idea that yes. Cass turned down ONE opportunity in a kingdom where she wouldn’t know anyone, but does that immediately negate the disappointment of constantly putting in her all afterwards, only to be expected to be fine with being overshadowed by someone she’s meant to be subservient to…..the exact person who was mentioned above AND an ex-criminal?

[@_-NatureMations-_]

Exactly! Obviously, what she did was awful, she should've talked about her feelings, but she was raised to NOT talk about her feelings! She was raised to be a pretty doll you could make do your chores, by both the kingdom and Mother Gothel

[@blissfulrain]

This! I kinda understand Cass' feelings as I felt similarly as a kid. My maternal grandmother used to babysit both me and a younger cousin and she would treat my cousin better than she would treat me. I still remember the time I lashed out at my cousin because of it. Being made to feel like you're directly inferior to another person is hell.

[@TruHeart0306]

That sponsorship transition was so smooth I thought you were making a joke and actually telling Rapunzel to get a lawyer LOL!!!!

[@anevraa]

My favorite part of the lore videos probably has to be seeing how invested you get in the characters! A lot of times when watching people talk about media I feel like people brush over their favorite characters actions if they do something wrong and defend them by saying they’re their favorite so they can ignore it, but I really enjoy how you hold characters responsible for their actions and point out how ludicrous some things are. Of course I lot EVERYTHING part of your lore videos but this is just one of the things uniquely about your videos I really enjoy and love!

[@emerald9194]

I personally choose to believe that the Moonstone and/or Zhan Tiri did mess with Cass’s head and her perception of how bad things were with Rapunzel to get her to do a lot of those things. It just feels like less of Cass’s character is assassinated this way, because there were a few times where Rapunzel was a little inconsiderate or Cass’s feelings of being overshadowed were valid but never to a degree that would justify that reaction. I think she grabbed the Moonstone intentionally because she felt like less than, and after that it was a push and pull of it driving her kind of crazy and her having more lucid moments like when she almost let Rapunzel talk her down until something was said that triggered her anger again or when she fully regretted her actions and wanted to apologize until she was attacked and the Moonstone was able to capitalize on any negative feelings that caused. It also explains why Cass is nothing but remorseful and upset with herself the second the Moonstone is away from her. Might be a copout but I just think this is how they can have their cake and eat it too. Changing literally nothing else, if they just made it clear at a few points that Cass wasn’t in her right mind, they can have the villain arc but still say she’s a good person with some unresolved issues. Leaving it ambiguous really only hurt the arc.

[@falconanddragons2214]

Also a big plothole I have to question how Adira touching her while performing the Decay Incantation didn't burn her and touching Rapunzel only burned Cassandra but it only melted Varian's gloves.

[@bethbayless5652]

My headcanon is that they can touch her because of their links to the moonstone. Cassandra didn't have one till season 3. Adira and Varian's dad are in the protect the stone club.

[@falconanddragons2214]

@@bethbayless5652 That would make sense if Varian's gloves didn't burn off when touching Rapunzel. Adira was completely unharmed.

[@LacieAnimations]

Varian deserved his own TV show, I’m so sad it got cancelled. The lore of him and his dad was amazing, and I wish we got a more in depth look on them. Like bro WHY DOES HE HAVE THAT BLUE STRIPE? Was it because his dad was part of the moon stone gang? Was it his mom?? 😭🙏

[@The-Glitch-Error]

Ture I wanna know why he does have the stripe in his hair

[@Scarlet_Starlight]

@@The-Glitch-Erroralso- when when Cassandra tried to hold Moon!Rapunzel her hand got Burnt through layers of what I assume to be layers of military grade armor (which probably had leather or cotton underneath the metal), but when Varian does it with his alchemist’s gloves (which should be flame or combustion resistant, but that didn’t actually apply to him) the gloves instead melt Around his hands in a shower of sparkles.

[@The-Glitch-Error]

@@Scarlet_Starlight Neat

[@BluffsCastle]

You know, I love that they made Pascal important instead of just a pet sidekick.

[@dancingsun2]

I see someone talk about Tangled The Series, I click. Simple as that.

[@reneenee4524]

My favorite part of this episode is finding out about varians series. I’d love to hear you talk about the Disney multiverse. Like how the two red head thief’s in rapunzel are said to be brothers of Hans and how Elsa’s and Anna’s parents are the parents of Tarzan. Not to mention all the Easter eggs

[@morgancrabtree6248]

Would be neat but Frozen 2 outright confirmed Elsa's and Anna's parents aren't Tarzan's.

[@reneenee4524]

@@morgancrabtree6248when did they confirm that? They still went on that boat trip that crashed

[@morgancrabtree6248]

@@reneenee4524 Late reply but they confirmed where the ship ended up meaning it couldn't have ended up in the jungle or Africa (I don't remember where exactly Tarzan was) and they also showed exactly how Elsa and Anna's parents died meaning it's impossible for them to be Tarzan's parents.

[@elatedchewy7354]

The transition into the sponsor was so smooth that I feel like a pet that’s been bamboozled into taking a pill. Well played, and have a wonderful day! XD

[@QuintonChild-qj7nt]

I love the switch between a PAN and a PAN napkin

[@meganmcdonald3333]

If it wasn’t for Tangled the Series,( I am not calling it Rapunzel’s Tangled Adventure because THIS was the Original Title for the show before Disney changed it.), we wouldn’t have Tiana’s Upcoming Spinoff Series or Moana’s Upcoming Sequel. Now here’s where Disney basically gave me the middle finger during the pandemic. Back in 2020, I discovered through one of my Disney Content Creators that Varian,(Season 1’s former antagonist and Season 3’s redeemable good guy AKA the Adorable Cinnamon Roll who I love very much!), was supposed to have his own show which would take place a few years AFTER the series finale of Tangled the Series. There was going to be exploration to other kingdoms, a new band of characters and villains, along with the main focus being the disappearance of Varian’s Mother and his quest to find her. There were characters designs of Varian as well as the new cast of characters as well as a villain but Disney being Disney SCRAPPED the whole series down the drain and the reason is so STUPID. The reason why the show was pushed under the rug was because Rapunzel wouldn’t be the main character………Disney lost an opportunity because they were thinking about their branding!

[@acesinger6092]

I’m sure Hazbin Hotel fans already knew this but Varian’s voice actor in the Tangled Series voices Lucifer in Hazbin Hotel. I was so frikkin happy when I found out😂 Edit: Oh yeah, and Lance’s voice actor from the Tangled Series voices Asmodeus in Helluva Boss (Hazbin Hotel’s sister show)

[@SmolPotato8]

And Lance's VA is Asmodeus in Helluva Boss

[@GeekInSequins]

As someone deep into both shows, I can confirm that the Venn diagram for these two fandoms is practically a circle.

[@MoGalactic-gq7yl]

Lances va is also Zestial

[@BluffsCastle]

Chaggie are Cassunzel coded

[@acesinger6092]

@@BluffsCastle YES- not to mention Rapunzel and Charlie have similar hair styles and similar personalities

[@SugarSpice07]

You know, I always laugh when people are like, "Oh, it's so unfortunate that the creators named the kingdom Corona." Because I live very close to a place called Corona. In fact, my dad owns a store in Corona. So for me, I like to say that I'm obviously the lost princess (because I also have really long hair). Edit: Also, Athena, you look good with short hair.

[@The-Glitch-Error]

Yes Princess SugarSpice07 [Also awesome name girl]

[@black-moon01]

also it's a senseless joke if you speak spanish, like corona just means crown lol.

[@Pebbsthepebble]

I remember the “ready as I’ll ever be” song from that one warrior cat animation map

[@vexywexypoo]

For some reason, despite never having read warrior cats, I think I know what you're talking about?

[@ognicho2333]

@@vexywexypoo Same, this is so weird....

[@kelsieswain7187]

I just came to say I think it’s a brilliant twist of irony to see James Monroe Inglehart and Jeremy Jordon (top tier Broadway actors and singers btw) in Tangled, and then immediately seeing them in Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss 😂

[@kitkatty1194]

This video's entire vibe of "No, shut up, Disney, they're poly!" Gives me so much life. I'm thriving.

[@memelord7567]

There's actually a book called "what once was mine" (official Disney book, it's part of a series which is basically alternate universe versions of princess stories) and the premise is what if the queen drank a moon flower, and it like gave Rapunzel silver hair and I think just touching her kills people? I never finished it unfortunately, but it definitely was a bit darker, maybe like pg 13 instead of pg like the usual Disney stuff

[@kwowka]

3:43 one of my friends really liked tangled as a little kid so from ages 3-7 she would answer the door holding a frying pan threateningly and hit anyone she didn’t immediately recognise. This included her parents several times.